Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

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I've said it before but we are all racing game fans, that often gets forgotten.
Not only that, but if someone is going to spend their money on a product, the absolute least they should be able to do is voice their opinion on it regardless if it is for or against it. Going against that is much like trying to disregard review systems all together just because someone didn't like what you liked.

@Scaff it's funny how those situations, seem, to follow your presence in threads more then of all other mods combined... times 3? How come...
Because mods are human beings too and they all might, just maybe, have different personalities and likes 💡
 
We seem back to the situation of people playing the man and not the ball. One thing is for certain. Those with negative opinions have those based solely on the issues they have with the game. They express them mostly in a thoughtful, respectful way and are able to give good reasons as to why they hold them. Some of those who challenge those views appear to only do so because they don't like to hear them.
 
We seem back to the situation of people playing the man and not the ball. One thing is for certain. Those with negative opinions have those based solely on the issues they have with the game. They express them mostly in a thoughtful, respectful way and are able to give good reasons as to why they hold them. Some of those who challenge those views appear to only do so because they don't like to hear them.

To be honest, sometimes some of the negative comments appear out of fan boy-ish attitude.
 
@PzR Slim - I have the same attitude as you. No problem with any members. I just like driving games.

As for this 'attempted shutdown', not in my name.

I would tell you the name of the staff member I have a major problem with but I would probably get banned again, lol. And don't blame me for off topic. I didn't bring this one up!
 
To be honest, sometimes some of the negative comments appear out of fan boy-ish attitude.
I agree, that's why I said mostly, however, I still maintain that the concerns they have are from what they perceive to be real issues with the game. I see very little out and out hating of GTS. Unfortunately, as we have learned, there are some members who just don't want to hear anything negative even if those negatives are presented in the correct manner. And that is where the difference lies for me. You might disagree with someone's opinion but should never expect that opinion not to be voiced as long as it doesn't violate the AUP.

None of us should post our opinions expecting them not to be challenged, that's the whole point of debate after all, but we should expect that we can voice those opinions without others wanting to censor us.

Agreed. Both sides just as bad as each other. Pretty simple.

That's a point I fundamentally disagree with. Posting a negative opinion, however it was formed, is nowhere near the same as asking for peoples opinions to be censored.
 
Agreed. Both sides just as bad as each other. Pretty simple.
I don't see it as the sides being the issue, just sometimes specific people within it.

However, those that discuss fairly regularly tend not to be those people. It's usually the people throwing around things like "objective really" against someone's opinion, and claiming things people aren't saying whatsoever that bring these discussions down the route they tend to go in.
 
I agree, that's why I said mostly, however, I still maintain that the concerns they have are from what they perceive to be real issues with the game. I see very little out and out hating of GTS. Unfortunately, as we have learned, there are some members who just don't want to hear anything negative even if those negatives are presented in the correct manner. And that is where the difference lies for me. You might disagree with someone's opinion but should never expect that opinion not to be voiced as long as it doesn't violate the AUP.

None of us should post our opinions expecting them not to be challenged, that's the whole point of debate after all, but we should expect that we can voice those opinions without others wanting to censor us.



That's a point I fundamentally disagree with. Posting a negative opinion, however it was formed, is nowhere near the same as asking for peoples opinions to be censored.

Censorship? Lol.

I mean, you're really illustrating the problem here man. You're saying people with certain opinions are more valid than others and those members with those opinions are naturally way more likely to be 'fair and balanced' while simultaneously trying to say the opposite.

Pretty weird, no?

And all this over a flippin videogame. Ye gods.
 
Censorship? Lol.

I mean, you're really illustrating the problem here man. You're saying people with certain opinions are more valid than others and those members with those opinions are naturally way more likely to be 'fair and balanced' while simultaneously trying to say the opposite.

Pretty weird, no?

And all this over a flippin videogame. Ye gods.
Where did I say people with certain opinions are more valid than others? I clearly said 'None of us should post our opinions expecting them not to be challenged, that's the whole point of debate after all, but we should expect that we can voice those opinions without others wanting to censor us.' That means all of us, no matter what opinion we hold, should expect that we can voice those opinions. The only mention of censorship was in relation to the revelation that a group of people had gone to the site owner asking that negative opinions not be allowed.
 
Where did I say people with certain opinions are more valid than others? I clearly said 'None of us should post our opinions expecting them not to be challenged, that's the whole point of debate after all, but we should expect that we can voice those opinions without others wanting to censor us.' That means all of us, no matter what opinion we hold, should expect that we can voice those opinions. The only mention of censorship was in relation to the revelation that a group of people had gone to the site owner asking that negative opinions not be allowed.

Here:

"however, I still maintain that the concerns they have are from what they perceive to be real issues with the game. I see very little out and out hating of GTS. Unfortunately, as we have learned, there are some members who just don't want to hear anything negative even if those negatives are presented in the correct manner. And that is where the difference lies for me."

Come on man, at least understand what you wrote before you misunderstand me!
 
Here:

"however, I still maintain that the concerns they have are from what they perceive to be real issues with the game. I see very little out and out hating of GTS. Unfortunately, as we have learned, there are some members who just don't want to hear anything negative even if those negatives are presented in the correct manner. And that is where the difference lies for me."

Come on man, at least understand what you wrote before you misunderstand me!
You've completely misunderstood. How is someone posting an opinion of a game based on what they perceive to be it shortcomings the same as someone wanting to stop someone else from posting a negative opinion just because?
 
You've completely misunderstood. How is someone posting an opinion of a game based on what they perceive to be it shortcomings the same as someone wanting to stop someone else from posting a negative opinion just because?

I'm not talking about censorship. I have no idea what that's all about, or why it was mentioned.

Back to my point, and I know you understand this. Now read again what I quoted of your writing, and tell me you think you're accepting of any opinion, good or bad, within the AUP.

Then think about how it would appear if you said the opposite. Is it as fair now...?

Damn man. I mean we're not even talking about subtext! This is text. And you wrote it!

@sems4arsenal got this right a while ago. Can we talk about the bleedin game again now please?
 
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I'm not talking about censorship. I have no idea what that's all about, or why it was mentioned.

Back to my point, and I know you understand this. Now read again what I quoted of your writing, and tell me you think you're accepting of any opinion, good or bad, within the AUP.

Then think about how it would appear if you said the opposite. Is it as fair now...?

Damn man. I mean we're not even talking about subtext! This is text. And you wrote it!
I don't care if you are not talking about censorship. I was and it was crucial to what I wrote.

I am accepting of any opinion within the AUP. I might not agree with them but I would fight for them to be voiced.

Asking the site owner to not allow negative opinions to be voiced is not expressing an opinion, it's asking for certain opinions to be censored.

And yes we can talk about the game. We have been, good and bad, you seem to have a problem with the bad. A lot of people seem to have a problem with the bad being discussed and that is why we end up here. A lot less people have an issue with the good being discussed.
 
I don't care if you are not talking about censorship. I was and it was crucial in what I wrote.

I am accepting of any opinion within the AUP. I might not agree with them but I would fight for them to be voiced.

Asking the site owner to not allow negative opinions to be voiced is not expressing an opinion, it's asking for certain opinions to be censored

Well that's called avoiding the point man. Some of the negative stuff is fanboyish, some of the positive stuff is fanboyish. That makes them just as bad as eachother. You disagreed with that, as my quote of your writing clearly demonstrated.

As for censorship, I gave it a lol before because WTF, on the same page as you on that one, obviously. We're not in North Korea after all. Not sure why @Scaff brought that up.
 
Well that's called avoiding the point man. Some of the negative stuff is fanboyish, some of the positive stuff is fanboyish. That makes them just as bad as eachother. You disagreed with that, as my quote of your writing clearly demonstrated
Fanboy of what, exactly? Most the people I've seen in the negative side of things prefer racing games, not just one specific game. That doesn't even make sense as a description, and if you're basing it off specific people that follow and interact with these discussions I'd bet you'd be hard pressed to even point out which is which.
 
Well that's called avoiding the point man. Some of the negative stuff is fanboyish, some of the positive stuff is fanboyish. That makes them just as bad as eachother. You disagreed with that, as my quote of your writing clearly demonstrated.

As for censorship, I gave it a lol before because WTF, on the same page as you on that one, obviously. We're not in North Korea after all. Not sure why @Scaff brought that up.
At no point did I mention the people discussing the positive stuff. That's where you have made your mistake, I compared people posting negative stuff in a slightly fanboyish way and people who had gone running to the site owner asking for negative opinions to be banned. And I argued that those are in no way comparable.

I have zero issue with people discussing the positives of the game. Why would I? I have done it myself many times. And I totally agree that those posting in a fanboyish way either negative or positive are as bad as each other. I have never said anything to disagree with that sentiment.
 
At no point did I mention the people discussing the positive stuff. That's where you have made your mistake, I compared people posting negative stuff in a slightly fanboyish way and people who had gone running to the site owner asking for negative opinions to be banned. And I argued that those are in no way comparable.

I have zero issue with people discussing the positives of the game. Why would I? I have done it myself many times. And I totally agree that those posting in a fanboyish way either negative or positive are as bad as each other. I have never said anything to disagree with that sentiment.

Well, in that case I apologise because I completely agree with you.
 
As for censorship, I gave it a lol before because WTF, on the same page as you on that one, obviously. We're not in North Korea after all. Not sure why @Scaff brought that up.
I brought it up because that's exactly what happened.

Now for you to say it didn't happen with such conviction you were either involved (which you seem to be saying is not the case) or you are attempting to make a statement you can't possibly be in possession of the facts about.
 

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