Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[Johnnypenso]

Wondering how many Heusinkveld-grade engineers that (logo on the cap) would have covered...

Thumbs up otherwise

Wonder how many people will understand that post

 

[dimassa19]

Hello all new member here , loving GT Sport , have fun and good luck to everyone .

Thanks and welcome!

 

[Reds Deman]

Thanks and welcome!

Thankyou

 

[ScottPuss20]

Not really, no. Remember that review scores are not entirely based on quality, they're also based on content and how appealing the game will be to the average consumer.

GTS does what it does very well, but there's not much of it and it's VERY niche. Compare that to something like GTA V, which does what it does very well, and there's an ENORMOUS amount of content and pretty much everyone will be able to find some part of the game that is incredible for them.

That's the difference between an 80 and a 95.

GT6 did kind of the opposite, it was an OK game but there was a lot of it and it gave a lot of freedom to find your own fun. Personally it's my least favourite GT by a significant margin, but if I was putting a game in a hospital ward for a bunch of kids to play I'd probably lean towards GT6 over GTS. If it was me, I'd prefer to play GTS. But I suspect that your average video game player would get more fun out of a GT6 style game than a GTS style one.

Either way, it's not "disgraceful". It's completely understandable if you take off the rose tinted glasses and accept that while GTS is incredible for the people that mesh well with it's style, that group isn't actually that large. It's not the hardcore sim racers, and nor is it the traditional caRPG zero-to-hero style gamers. It's a weird in-between game, and I think that reviews are accurately reflecting that it's a game that only strongly appeals to a very specific audience.

Not unlike the game that it most resembles; iRacing. iRacing has a 79 on Metacritic, despite it being the best online racing game and arguably the best racing simulation of all time. Why? Because it's niche as 🤬, and honestly most gamers will not put up with it's highly realistic BS enough to get into it. Or simply don't find that style of gameplay fun.

All reviews are subjective; it shouldn't dictate what to buy, but it should inform you about the game. I never read reviews, I just buy the games I want to buy and see how it goes. Only you can judge the game, not others.

That's what I call exposure.

 

[Spongeinside]

Definitely... but for the first time ever, as far as I can remember that is, I saw GTsport commercials on (Dutch) tv...

 

[PzR Slim]

All reviews are subjective; it shouldn't dictate what to buy, but it should inform you about the game. I never read reviews, I just buy the games I want to buy and see how it goes. Only you can judge the game, not others.

While that's true to some extent a review can be a good indicator if the reviewer in question is someone you have shared opinions with of past games they have reviewed. If you have agreed with what they have said about other games they have reviewed then there is a good chance that you will agree with them on future reviews. I guess it's about trust. So yeah, if you have never read a review from a particular reviewer is going to be impossible to know if their experience will be yours but if a review is from a reviewer you trust then chances are you will agree with them.

 

[KoldStrejke]

I have totally played 6 hours and finished all events with gold in driving school, also finished mission challenge first three stage with gold.

When I compare old gt series this one is not tough like others.

its not that they were harder, you're just better now at playing Race Games. when I played GT1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and now GTs. I am more adept now at these type of games. none of them were realy hard. been into Race Games and Race Sims since Pole Position 1, 2 and sim'n with indianapolis 500: The Sumulation.

Ugh, he"s catering to ignorance. Just the opposite of what he should do IMO. TEACH, not capitulate. Part of the problem in general today, that menatality in dealing with the young. I understand it's a game/product so he wants to appeal, but I don't know. As usual, I am suspicious of this man's words. He seems to me to make up alot of excuses for (not) doing things the fans get irritated over.

Yea, I've allway thought Kaz was full of ****. how could gamers not know. there was discriptive text stating these things in the games and! people who play these games tend to learn more by looking up info.

 

[Imari]

All reviews are subjective; it shouldn't dictate what to buy, but it should inform you about the game. I never read reviews, I just buy the games I want to buy and see how it goes. Only you can judge the game, not others.

Which is why scores are ultimately a very limited way to judge a game. Personally, the only scores that I find useful are those that are universally very high or universally very low.

Realistically, you read the review and see what the reviewer liked and didn't like and use that information as you see fit. It's not so much about the score as about the article and the reasoning behind it. Which is why reviews usually contain at least a page or two of text before you get anywhere near the score.

As far as never reading reviews and just buying whatever you want to buy, perhaps you have enough disposable income for that to work but I think it's fair to say that a lot of us don't. We have limited funds to spend on games and so it's helpful to have as much information as possible before laying the cash down. There are also Lets Plays and Twitch, rentals (if you're lucky enough to have one near you), borrowing off friends and the like, but reviews are a valid way of gaining knowledge about the game too.

Personally, I put the most stock in the opinions of people on GTP who I know have a similar gaming style to myself. But really, I'm just looking for the same information from them that I am from a review. I just know that their subjective opinion is likely to be similar to my own if I were to purchase the game.

Unless you're loaded with cash, I don't think it's useful advice to recommend that people avoid reviews and just buy whatever. In the context of this thread it's actually rather telling of how terrified you are that people might be put off by descriptions of the limitations in GTS. That's not your call to make. I think advising people to be less informed before making a purchase shows just how much you're rooting for the success of Polyphony rather than the happiness of your fellow gamers.

As good as I might think a game is, I don't think I could recommend someone spend money on it if I didn't think they'd enjoy it. And GTS is a niche game, there are going to be people who simply won't enjoy it. Even people who bought Gran Turismo games in the past.

 

[fikridroid]

Imagine GT6 game with GTS lighting . would be more then enough to revisit. Shame pd no do remakes, reboots or anything like that.
Would be nice to see other devs remake some older GT games. Just dreaming.
Weirdly i like GT psp game so much for it strange buying cars system. And racers were great. That thing rebooted would be amazing with full cockpits .

And GTS's engine sounds too, best in the franchise so far.

 

[GTPVenomZombie]

This may have already been discussed. But does anyone think that Kaz/PD will remove the 'saves on the server' function, later on in an update? & making all the offline content in the game functional when the servers are down.
Just a general question. Does anybody have any predictions on what could happen?

 

[ScottPuss20]

Which is why scores are ultimately a very limited way to judge a game. Personally, the only scores that I find useful are those that are universally very high or universally very low.

Realistically, you read the review and see what the reviewer liked and didn't like and use that information as you see fit. It's not so much about the score as about the article and the reasoning behind it. Which is why reviews usually contain at least a page or two of text before you get anywhere near the score.

As far as never reading reviews and just buying whatever you want to buy, perhaps you have enough disposable income for that to work but I think it's fair to say that a lot of us don't. We have limited funds to spend on games and so it's helpful to have as much information as possible before laying the cash down. There are also Lets Plays and Twitch, rentals (if you're lucky enough to have one near you), borrowing off friends and the like, but reviews are a valid way of gaining knowledge about the game too.

Personally, I put the most stock in the opinions of people on GTP who I know have a similar gaming style to myself. But really, I'm just looking for the same information from them that I am from a review. I just know that their subjective opinion is likely to be similar to my own if I were to purchase the game.

Unless you're loaded with cash, I don't think it's useful advice to recommend that people avoid reviews and just buy whatever. In the context of this thread it's actually rather telling of how terrified you are that people might be put off by descriptions of the limitations in GTS. That's not your call to make. I think advising people to be less informed before making a purchase shows just how much you're rooting for the success of Polyphony rather than the happiness of your fellow gamers.

As good as I might think a game is, I don't think I could recommend someone spend money on it if I didn't think they'd enjoy it. And GTS is a niche game, there are going to be people who simply won't enjoy it. Even people who bought Gran Turismo games in the past.

Then again, I do make thought-out decisions about what I want to buy. I don't exactly waste my money on games mate. I don't have much disposable income to waste on games, but if a game looks good enough, then you would want to purchase it, right? I've read up on pretty much every game I've bought, I'm not stupid. Am I really going to miss out on a GT game?

 

[onur9415]

Well there is not much single player in this gran turismo but some of the events are really hard and you need to push much more for these events. Besides the endurance events, I was doing some circuit experience on Nürburgring Nordschleife. The last step for this track was a really hard time attack for me I'm using pad by the way. The game will give you BMW m6 gr.3 car for this track and my lap record is 6,57,139 and I barely got gold. But I was off track somewhere in track which caused like 0.5 seconds added to my timing. If you've done this. What's your record I believe some people in here could make like 6,53.

 

[Wildfire]

Can someone explain to me, why seemingly no sim racing game on consoles has implemented a feature where wheel users and controller users do not race in the same lobbies?

This should be a thing, wheel users have a significant hardware advantage in all sim racing games, regardless of their ability. You can take a guy who is good, but not great, give him a wheel vs a great controller users and he'll trounce him every time.

Games should auto detect if you have a wheel connected and match make based on that... and if you try sneaky **** like connecting it once you're in a lobby with controller users you should get auto booted.

On a side note, any wheel users that are currently using the 4C in Gr.4 daily race... you are the cancer of the racing community, just sayin,

 

[Imari]

Then again, I do make thought-out decisions about what I want to buy. I don't exactly waste my money on games mate. I don't have much disposable income to waste on games, but if a game looks good enough, then you would want to purchase it, right? I've read up on pretty much every game I've bought, I'm not stupid. Am I really going to miss out on a GT game?

So why are you intentionally omitting using information from reviews? Seems to me that if you're trying to make an informed decision on a game then you'd want as much information as possible. You can read a review and decide that it sounds like bollocks and ignore it, but to say that you never read reviews means that you're intentionally ignoring information that might influence your purchase.

As far as a game looking good enough, games almost always look good in the marketing material. That's how AAA games work. It's nice and all, but over the years I've learned that you only get the very best view of the game through listening to the developer and publisher. That's what usually prompts me to learn more about a game, but I absolutely don't buy purely based on the marketing bumf. Even for developers like Rockstar or Naughty Dog. I want observations and opinion from someone that doesn't have a vested interest in seeing the game sell well, and often the easiest way to get that is reviews.

If you "read up" on every game you buy and make thought out decisions, what are you reading? What information do you use to judge whether you should purchase or not? Please tell me it's not "it says Gran Turismo on the box".

I mean, if I only read what Turn 10 writes about FM7 it sounds pretty incredible. If I take a broader approach and also listen to consumers, reviewers and friends then the tone changes somewhat. And that's to my benefit as a potential purchaser to have that information. So why are you suggesting that reviews be ignored?

Can someone explain to me, why seemingly no sim racing game on consoles has implemented a feature where wheel users and controller users do not race in the same lobbies?

This should be a thing, wheel users have a significant hardware advantage in all sim racing games, regardless of their ability. You can take a guy who is good, but not great, give him a wheel vs a great controller users and he'll trounce him every time.

Not really, not in Gran Turismo anyway. But there's no point segregating based on control method when you can simply segregate based on speed. Guys who do 1:40 laps are going to race closely together, regardless of the method that they use to do it.

On a side note, any wheel users that are currently using the 4C in Gr.4 daily race... you are the cancer of the racing community, just sayin,

Yes, god forbid people should get to choose the car that they wish to use. I rather think the cancer of the racing community is people who try and dictate how other people should play the game that they paid their own money for, but that's just me.

 

[Seikenfreak]

Eh just completed the campaign.

I'm still reeling from the fact that I can't use liveries in Sport Mode Gr4 race. Super stupid. I hope I'm missing something here or it'll change..

Not sure how much more time I'll spend with this.

 

[TheMokafan]

Is the game not uploading times for anyone else? Not just in sport mode, but also in campaign. Whenever I beat my friend's time, it'll give me my prize and stuff, but not upload my time to the leaderboard. And in sport mode, it won't update my qualifying lap when I beat it

 

[back 86]

I agree that controller users should have own lobbies and wheel ones have there own.
By the way I am enjoying Gran Turismo sport after playing most of them over the years it I think it great it going a new way now.
Just need it a bit more offline races and tracks other then it awesome

Can someone explain to me, why seemingly no sim racing game on consoles has implemented a feature where wheel users and controller users do not race in the same lobbies?

This should be a thing, wheel users have a significant hardware advantage in all sim racing games, regardless of their ability. You can take a guy who is good, but not great, give him a wheel vs a great controller users and he'll trounce him every time.

Games should auto detect if you have a wheel connected and match make based on that... and if you try sneaky **** like connecting it once you're in a lobby with controller users you should get auto booted.

On a side note, any wheel users that are currently using the 4C in Gr.4 daily race... you are the cancer of the racing community, just sayin,

 

[KokosEnergy]

Hm

 

[Allgoldplease]

Anyone finding that a lot of the real life tracks are way too narrow? Like 1/3rd too narrow.

 

[Johnnypenso]

This may have already been discussed. But does anyone think that Kaz/PD will remove the 'saves on the server' function, later on in an update? & making all the offline content in the game functional when the servers are down.
Just a general question. Does anybody have any predictions on what could happen?

Just my opinion but I don't think it will change. I think they weighed their options for 4 years and this is what they came up with.

Can someone explain to me, why seemingly no sim racing game on consoles has implemented a feature where wheel users and controller users do not race in the same lobbies?

This should be a thing, wheel users have a significant hardware advantage in all sim racing games, regardless of their ability. You can take a guy who is good, but not great, give him a wheel vs a great controller users and he'll trounce him every time.

Games should auto detect if you have a wheel connected and match make based on that... and if you try sneaky **** like connecting it once you're in a lobby with controller users you should get auto booted.

On a side note, any wheel users that are currently using the 4C in Gr.4 daily race... you are the cancer of the racing community, just sayin,

Separating users by input device is unnecessary in Sport Mode. If the system works it'll put drivers of similar skill and courtesy together. In private lobbies yes, this should be an option, no question

 

[Allgoldplease]

They really should. The wheel users are two seconds a lap clear, if not more, around Brand Hatch small circuit.

 

[fortbo]

Two wins in a row tonight. Only have lost a total of 3 times since the games release!

 

[Endless-Wilso]

So i want to buy the Mclaren VGT but which version is gonna be the most useful longevity wise?
GrX is quicker but if theres a series held for Gr1 i dont wanna b left out.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Noticed some cool little details while doing a custom race last night, like the pit crews hopping up on the fence to congratulate the finishers. But what really caught my attention was one of the AI cars ‘accidentally’ turning its indicator on midway through a race. It’s little details like that which really immerse you.

 

[MaXKiLLz]

They really should. The wheel users are two seconds a lap clear, if not more, around Brand Hatch small circuit.

I have no problem beating wheel users with my DualShock using motion steering.

 

[Allgoldplease]

I have no problem beating wheel users with my DualShock using motion steering.

I used the Motion Steering today. It's actually not too bad, but I can't tell my brain to use the controller like that. 20years of GT will do that, haha.

 

[Cfft555]

They really should. The wheel users are two seconds a lap clear, if not more, around Brand Hatch small circuit.

Im a controller player using button inputs. How can you compare the wheel users to controller users if we are not told what they are playing on.
Im consistently running 58-58.5 laps on Brands Hatch so wheel users are running 56 second laps consistently??? The fastest I have seen in qualies or race is a 57.8

 

[Speedy Samurai]

I'm tired of VGT cars as prizes. I think I've received 4 in a row now. Can I have some real cars, please?

 

[VFOURMAX1]

Top 10 times on Brands Hatch is 56.364 - 56.834 that would be on the American servers I guess.

 

[Cfft555]

Top 10 times on Brands Hatch is 56.364 - 56.834 that would be on the American servers I guess.

Yes likely. Wheels are faster I can agree with that, but if I am only 1.5 seconds off using a controller compared to the top of the top wheel drivers who likely have full setups. Im pretty happy with that.