Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

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Irregardless of the fact that the complaint this quote comes from is from somebody who's party trick it is to complain about there not being enough race cars in every update of the game, the bolded simply doesn't exist. If there was a 'balancing concern', PD wouldn't have tried to shove a square peg in a round hole when they added Group C cars to Gr.1 in amidst semi-modern LMP prototypes and concept cars. They wouldn't have shoved in a 90's GT1 car in Gr.3 when the rest of the class is semi-modern GT3 cars, or facsimiles of such. And the biggest one, they wouldn't have shoved in what is a one make racer into Gr.4, instantly making said one make racer the bane of the entire class for months until it was BOP'd to oblivion.

From what I have seen? 'Balancing concerns' don't exist in PD's mind. They seem to just shove cars into whatever category best fits what they currently have (and from this update I can already tell the 300 SEL will be dumped into Gr.X oblivion and more or less ignored like every other classic racer they've added in) and whether due to the inability, or lack of desire, to completely restructure how the game handles it's car classes, it reflects really poorly on them. So yeah, I really doubt there's such a thing as 'balancing concerns' with regards to adding new racing cars to anything other then Gr.X, they simply just don't want to go through the hassle of invariably restructuring their broken class system, on either the road or race car side.

Look, idk what exactly it is that's keeping more Gr.4 and Gr.3 cars from being added, but I think there's a connection, here. Gr.4 and Gr.3 have the least additions compared to Gr.1, which has a ton, and the former two classes also have had the most BoP changes whereas the other classes don't get updated nearly as often beyond when new cars are added to those classes. There's also the factor of how Gr.4 and Gr.3 are the most often-featured class, especially between both FIAGTCs.

I'm really just trying to guess based on the limited information we can get, here. And I think they put cars into classes based on the typical times they set compared to the current cars in those classes. We also don't know how much is being done with GTS that hasn't been planned out somehow already by PD, versus issues that could very be addressed in the next installment. For example, I think the Vulcan ought to be in Gr.X alongside the Zonda R and P1 GTR. (Indeed, I'd personally make a class just for these track day-only hypercars.)

But I think PD is somehow unable to "transfer" cars to another class, either due to limits of technology, or manpower. (As I'd bet most of PD is working on the next title, and its subsequent add-ons.) I think PD should also make at least a couple classes for vintage racecars - perhaps one for historic prototypes and another for historic grand tourers, respectively such as the Ferrari 330 P4 and the Shelby Daytona Coupe. At any rate, I believe there's a limit on what PD is able to do regarding classes in GTS, and especially the creation of new classes and transferring cars to different classes.

On a similar note, I wonder if we'll eventually get interiors for the cars that don't have them (namely some GT6-era VGTs like the Mercedes and Aston Martin VGTs), or if that could be something reserved for the next title.

I'd also like to add that I think the current class system is fine, and is more self-explanatory than the PP system. That said, I think it just needs some adjustments, rather than scrapping it. For example, I think the S-FR Racing Concept wouldn't be as much of a menace if we could add aero parts and rear wings to cars, and it seems like the N-Series effectively uses cars with added parts, anyway, like full-customize parts when tuning is enabled, or being able to change BB/TCS/FM when many cars aren't able to change that on the go when left as-stock.

As for now, I think it's better to have more limited selections of cars for the N-Series races, much like how we saw some Daily Races with the "Gentleman's Agreement" cars. Perhaps another N-Series event could have us using the sporty pickup trucks that are in-game, or an N200 race that's limited to the various hatchbacks. I am getting a bit tired of the N-Series races just being either one-makes, or allowing all cars and thus leading to just a couple cars dominating. But that said, in the context of GTS as it is right now, I'd love more one-make N-Series races with stuff like the S-FR Concept; you wouldn't need to worry about it dominating other cars if it's the only car that's eligible, right? Heck, a one-make Sambabus race could be fun, too. I'd legit love to design some Daily Races/FIAGTC rounds, tbh.
 
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Rofl, you just answered my previous reply which was already a week ago. :D
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Some of us work, have a family and rather not make this a daily habit.

Anyways in a general comment, it's good to see some additional cars coming. I wonder if the holiday months will slow down what is pushed out or be motivation to push out more cars, or keep it the same as it has been.
 
Some of us work, have a family and rather not make this a daily habit.

Anyways in a general comment, it's good to see some additional cars coming. I wonder if the holiday months will slow down what is pushed out or be motivation to push out more cars, or keep it the same as it has been.
I know. I have work too but I still hang here daily.

And yes, I agree it's good go to see more cars in the game. As long as they are being offered for free, I guess it's nice but I feel there's a point somewhere in the future where it will be dwindled down a bit.
 
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It was really really nice to see a beautiful condition Opel "Vauxhall Nova SR" on display at IAA Frankfurt this year in beautiful Jamaica Yellow paint. This was a quick little car back in the 1980's.

My brother had one of these Vauxhall Nova 1.3 SR. (Pictured left)



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View attachment 860430 It was really really nice to see a beautiful condition Opel "Vauxhall Nova SR" on display at IAA Frankfurt this year in beautiful Jamaica Yellow paint. This was a quick little car back in the 1980's.

My brother had one of these Vauxhall Nova 1.3 SR. (Pictured left)



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Relevance?
 
I know. I have work too but I still hang here daily.

Again not an option for all of us so if so one responds a week after the fact and you find it so "lol" worthy, it might be worth pondering why that was or rather just not caring. Considering there is no duration on when one can respond.

As for the other part that was just a general aside, not directed at anyone in particular.
 
Again not an option for all of us so if so one responds a week after the fact and you find it so "lol" worthy, it might be worth pondering why that was or rather just not caring. Considering there is no duration on when one can respond.

As for the other part that was just a general aside, not directed at anyone in particular.
Not my point though. I understand your case but maybe I just said that because I'm not used to responses that takes more than half a week and by saying that, I never suggested that you should try to be more active here next time. By the way, why should we talk about this stuff in a thread like this? We should be back to the topic soon.
 
This part is interesting: I know the original source is in Japanese but my phone itself translated it to this:

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So it does mean we could expect physical changes in the tire model as the collaboration goes on..

Nope. Michelin wants its name associated with e-sports and is willing to pay PD for that exposure. They're not going to give away their intellectual property to a gaming company.
 
If the mazda 2 ends up being the Genki model (the high end one here in AUS, no idea what its called in the US) then I will have purchased an identical real one the same week it comes to GTS :D
 
Nope. Michelin wants its name associated with e-sports and is willing to pay PD for that exposure. They're not going to give away their intellectual property to a gaming company.
This could snap back at them tho. If they don‘t give some help with the tire model and some people think it‘s by Michelin they‘ll be like "I won‘t buy Michelin tires, they‘re garbage in GT".

And yes, I really do believe that there are people who‘d think this way :D
 
Not sure if this is the right place for this but does anyone else think it would be good to have a kind of position predictor on the in car menu? We only know how far behind the nearest car is and have to guess the rest from the minimap. Could have something where you set a certain number of seconds (as if you were going to pit) and it tells you what position you'd be in if you were that many seconds back down the track.

Would be very useful in my opinion
 
Nope. Michelin wants its name associated with e-sports and is willing to pay PD for that exposure. They're not going to give away their intellectual property to a gaming company.

IIRC Michelin is also gonna supply their tire simulation tech to PD/GT. I’d say it’s more than just advertising - a bit like how partnering with Toyota dovetails with the GR Supra Cup and its respective real-world implications on the GR Supra’s development.

I also noticed that for the Driving School segment in the campaign, it ends at the Intermediate level. Hopefully we’ll see an advanced level? IMO it could be nice - and I can’t recall, but I think some of the prize cars in the campaign were fixed and not random, but I can’t remember which events had fixed prize cars. I do recall that two of them were a Veneno and the Alpine VGT ‘17.

But I do wonder what they could add in an advanced level driving school section?

-It couldn’t all be one-lap attacks given the existence of the Circuit Experience section, but it could use layouts and conditions not in Circuir Experience, such as rainy conditions, or Sardegna B.

-I could also see there being lessons for changing brake balance on different drivetrains. Perhaps even one on Torque Balance for cars that offer it, like the Impreza WRX STI Type R.

-Heck, there could be a lesson on hybrid systems, and trying to make the most use of how much more power they can offer, and/or the different rates/methods a hybrid system can generate power. I think some generate power at higher revs, and only consume the power at lower revs, like the 919, whereas many like the Fit generate more power under braking, and consume it as long as your using the throttle. Then there’s how the Peugeot L750R VGT will generate power quickly, but will also use it in a similarly short burst.

-Another lesson could be on deploying a DRS system. I recall the P1 GTR and W08 have them, were there any others?

-Maybe one could be reserved for the Super Formula’s overtake system, as well.
 
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You know, I never really thought about it until now, but in GT6, which courses had the ability to host rain, and/or a full day/night cycle? I doubt that every course in GT6 was able to do that, and I think Tsukuba had rain in GT4, as well. Was Special Stage Route 5 able to have rain in games other than GT3, as well?
 
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You know, I never really thought about it until now, but in GT6, which courses had the ability to host rain, and/or a full day/night cycle? I doubt that every course in GT6 was able to do that, and I think Tsukuba had rain in GT4, as well. Was Special Stage Route 5 able to have rain in games other than GT3, as well?
I don't think Laguna Seca and Willow Springs, Trial Mountain, Deep Forest, Mid-Field, Grand Valley had rain either. I'm trying to think of High Speed Ring. If it had a cloudy version. I think Eiger Nordwand had rain.

There are many that didn't have a rain option.
 
This could snap back at them tho. If they don‘t give some help with the tire model and some people think it‘s by Michelin they‘ll be like "I won‘t buy Michelin tires, they‘re garbage in GT".

And yes, I really do believe that there are people who‘d think this way :D

They can just buff the tyres. GT is already well placed within the market because the tyres are a lot more forgiving than other games like Project CARS.

IIRC Michelin is also gonna supply their tire simulation tech to PD/GT. I’d say it’s more than just advertising - a bit like how partnering with Toyota dovetails with the GR Supra Cup and its respective real-world implications on the GR Supra’s development.

The GR Supra PD collaboration has no real world implications besides Toyota using it for marketing. Because GT isn't a simulator.

So you know this for a fact or are you just speculating.

I am speculating and my opinion will remain until I see evidence showing otherwise, because it just doesn't make sense to me. Don't believe everything PD and especially Yamauchi says.
 
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I don't think Laguna Seca and Willow Springs, Trial Mountain, Deep Forest, Mid-Field, Grand Valley had rain either. I'm trying to think of High Speed Ring. If it had a cloudy version. I think Eiger Nordwand had rain.

There are many that didn't have a rain option.
Willow did have changing weather, but it was fog rather than rain. HSR did have rain.
 
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