I think most people can understand that things beyond your control sometimes cause issues, the point being made is that they were advertised as being in GT6 yet now we know all VGT going forward are skipping that game and going to GTS instead. There is no technical reason they couldn't also add them to GT6 but obviously we know it's purely for commercial reason.
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I think most people can understand that things beyond your control sometimes cause issues, the point being made is that they were advertised as being in GT6 yet now we know all VGT going forward are skipping that game and going to GTS instead. There is no technical reason they couldn't also add them to GT6 but obviously we know it's purely for commercial reason.
Neomone
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Oh, absolutely. In such cases, usually the restaurant will offer other options as replacement or a partial refund for those items. You'll almost certainly get an explanation and probably an apology for the mix-up. They certainly won't charge you for something that you weren't given. It's reasonably common, restaurants run out of certain ingredients all the time, especially if they're a restaurant that's serious about fresh food.
If there's circumstances beyond Polyphony's control that prevent them from offering the content in GT6, then so be it. No one expects them to do the impossible. If that's the case though they should be honest with the customers and offer some sort of recompense for the lost value.
Polyphony is basically Sony, how about a couple of weeks of PS+? Actual cost would be minimal to Sony (they already give away 2 week free trials), the value to the customer is almost certainly significantly above anything the remainder of the VGT program could be valued at, and maybe they convince a few more people to subscribe to PS+.
It's a good enough reason for you. Somehow you're unable to comprehend why others might feel differently.
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- mannjonusa
It's not from a consumer standpoint. A product was sold on the basis that X & Y would be delivered to it. To not deliver on those things in a time promised is one thing (Course Maker), to never deliver it and instead deliver them in another way, when it's technically possible to deliver them as advertised to the original platform, is not right.
Now legally I'd imagine it wouldn't take 5 minutes for PD to wriggle out of it based on the wording but that still doesn't make the practice ok and as a consumer it should bother you, especially when it is relating to a business you plan to buy products from in future.
To be clear personally I don't care on this specific issue, I don't even like VGTs and wouldn't care if not one more came to any game but I agree with the principle of a company honouring their promises and advertisements for a product. It applies to any business.
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- mannjonusa
Yeah of course, it isn't ideal, I think I mentioned before that I don't claim the guy is an angel. He certainly has a history of over promising, under delivering.
But for me, it's just perspective. He just gets enthusiastic and says too much sometimes. I just see it as a very small evil in an industry rife with genuine 'rip-offs' and to accuse him of deliberately ripping off customers or outright calling him a liar is rude and disrespectful.
I just give him a bit more slack than others because the guy is responsible for many hundreds of hours of entertainment over many many years. And we're all here because of him. Let's not be assholes about it and get some perspective.
This is not aimed at you @Samus, btw. It's just a general point.
Neomone
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Good lord, the irony. I remember this from not so long ago.
I assumed that this was the tone you wanted to take with this conversation. Tell you what, I'll stop if you'll stop.
Fair enough. Would you like to explain then why a product that is missing content that it was advertised with (and will now presumably never receive it) is not a rip off? I consider a rip off to be when the consumer doesn't receive goods of the quality or quantity that they paid for, which would seem to fit perfectly.
Which is fine. It is rude and disrespectful, but it's not inaccurate. He doesn't lie or rip off at the scale of some others, but he is still saying things that are untrue, and sold a product that he will not fully deliver on.
You can dislike it all you like, but I don't see how you can argue that it's perspective. You might not use those particular words, but I don't see you disagreeing that he's done the things that the people are using those words to describe.
Neomone
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Not really. I'm fine with being rude and disrespectful to people who I feel have been rude and disrespectful to me. I don't find that to be douchey. I think that's fair. I don't go around punching people in the face, but if someone punches me in the face I have no reservations about punching them back.
I find not delivering the full product to your customers to be disrespectful, and I find offering to let them buy your new game at full price as a solution to be outright rude. I somehow doubt that you'll see it that way, but these are my feelings on the matter.
As I said before I don't think you understand how others could feel this way, and you're only reinforcing that observation by responding repeatedly with abuse.
I don't think it's makes me a douchebag to treat others as they treat me. Again, you probably disagree in that you seem to be fine with both complaining about me being a douche to you, and you calling me a douchebag. I would call that a double standard, but that's just me.
P.S. And I see that you're still fine with taking the abusive tone with this conversation by calling me a douchebag. That's fine, but remember that you named the dance.
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In case people are forgetting what VGT is all about , its to celebrate GT 15th anniversary and thats is the main selling point and main features as advertised in GT6 all along. but it never did complete its run, of course people felt cheated and call kaz a liar.
what if apple advertised that iphone 7 would have main feature which is a camera app that would take 360 degree photo. in the end when it came out it dint have that. wont you felt cheated, then their PR came out and say, hey the 360 camera app cant be rolled out because we had hardware limitation so we promise it would be ready by iphone 8. then why do they advertised it as the main feature and confirm it existence then bunch of irrelevant reason to justify their failure to deliver what they had promised?
much like the VGT, advertised as the main feature and selling point of GT6, anybody remember this ?
In last weeks’ GT6 info blowout, a radical and exciting new feature was quietly confirmed to be coming in an update for the game and its companion mobile apps:
“This feature, available at a later stage through an update, will allow you to create your own custom tracks that can be driven in the game. Additionally, in another update we will add the possibility to generate a track by capturing the GPS coordinate data of a mobile app while you are driving that course. This GPS-generated tracks will be available in the game as playable content.”
This puts the massive area of Gran Turismo 6‘s all-new Course Maker into perspective. In hismost recent interview with GTPlanet in September, Kazunori Yamauchi said the likely area would be approximately 20×20 kilometers in size.
U.S. Gran Turismo producer Taku Imasaki confirmed the GPS Course Maker apps would work much like many fitness apps available, which record your run or walk by determining your altitude and relative location as you move. GT6 will then translate this data, turning it into a track you can drive in the game.
Needless to say, the possibilities are nearly infinite, as players will be able to re-create streets they drive to work, their favorite drive, or their favorite stretch of a local highway at a nearly 1-to-1 scale.
source: https://www.gtplanet.net/gt6-course-maker-gps-data/
now where is the GPS course maker?
what if apple advertised that iphone 7 would have main feature which is a camera app that would take 360 degree photo. in the end when it came out it dint have that. wont you felt cheated, then their PR came out and say, hey the 360 camera app cant be rolled out because we had hardware limitation so we promise it would be ready by iphone 8. then why do they advertised it as the main feature and confirm it existence then bunch of irrelevant reason to justify their failure to deliver what they had promised?
much like the VGT, advertised as the main feature and selling point of GT6, anybody remember this ?
In last weeks’ GT6 info blowout, a radical and exciting new feature was quietly confirmed to be coming in an update for the game and its companion mobile apps:
“This feature, available at a later stage through an update, will allow you to create your own custom tracks that can be driven in the game. Additionally, in another update we will add the possibility to generate a track by capturing the GPS coordinate data of a mobile app while you are driving that course. This GPS-generated tracks will be available in the game as playable content.”
This puts the massive area of Gran Turismo 6‘s all-new Course Maker into perspective. In hismost recent interview with GTPlanet in September, Kazunori Yamauchi said the likely area would be approximately 20×20 kilometers in size.
U.S. Gran Turismo producer Taku Imasaki confirmed the GPS Course Maker apps would work much like many fitness apps available, which record your run or walk by determining your altitude and relative location as you move. GT6 will then translate this data, turning it into a track you can drive in the game.
Needless to say, the possibilities are nearly infinite, as players will be able to re-create streets they drive to work, their favorite drive, or their favorite stretch of a local highway at a nearly 1-to-1 scale.
source: https://www.gtplanet.net/gt6-course-maker-gps-data/
now where is the GPS course maker?
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Including the VGT, the PD sometimes cause problems in a different place.
Please remember, screen shot of delta wing has been removed once.
Before the release of GT6.
The reason is probably trouble in the real world. Nissan and delta wing.
In fact, PD has a responsibility to GT user.
But, many of manufacturer would not have the responsibility for the GT user.
For that reason, even if PD is to set a realistic schedule, it will remain outside of sudden problem.
Sorry, it is bad English.
Please remember, screen shot of delta wing has been removed once.
Before the release of GT6.
The reason is probably trouble in the real world. Nissan and delta wing.
In fact, PD has a responsibility to GT user.
But, many of manufacturer would not have the responsibility for the GT user.
For that reason, even if PD is to set a realistic schedule, it will remain outside of sudden problem.
Sorry, it is bad English.
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For the VGT stuff, it must have been quite a difficult program to organise. It's not just PD sitting around deciding what they want to do. They instigated the program, but then they have to liaise with multiple manafacturers, the main design team of which have to spend a significant amount of time designing a fantasy car representative of the brand, when they probably had other stuff to work on. You're not only dealing with the workflow and organisation of your own employees, but also the same for a number of different car makers. Perhaps at the start, they had assurances of 15 or whatever. Well, that can be disrupted by any number of different events. It's a tricky task already, making a videogame, let alone having to rely on all these external partners for original content.
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On the topic of original circuits, what happened to Seattle? It was revealed in the NSX trailer (along with some other locations) but hasn't been shown since.
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As a manufacturer, would you like to see your concept car on a outdated hardware? We all know VGT program is mainly a PR thing. And I'm one of the many bored with the false promises from Kaz like sounds, colisions or the "GTsport is GT7 even if for obvious reasons we won't call it a prologue"... But if a new manufacturer today wants to make a VGT, I can't imagine any dev working on a hardware from 2006. I mean, consoles should fear smartphone on the graphics side. For instance, making the Bugatti VGT as a GTsport exclusive isn't the most beautiful move from Poly because it can be seen like the GT5 servers shutdown. However I can understand they want to move on after the ps3 era.
I'm sure there are so many unknown factors with the VGT project.
In fact, I'm surprised by the VGT "success".
nasanu
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No, this is way off base. You bought what was on the disc, period. It doesn't matter what someone says in an interview or what the development goals are, you paid for what you paid for, nothing more. If you don't think so then sue. See how that goes. From a consumer standpoint you are dead in the water.
But even if you did have a case it still makes no sense to boycott GTS. The contents of the GTS disc will be the same no matter what the history of GT6. How do you think history changes the code? By what kind of magic?
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This is a really good point @queleuleu
Also, with regards to the nostalgia tracks as DLC? The more the merrier!
Neomone
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So when you buy a season pass and the developer doesn't deliver the content, are you similarly dead in the water?
People pay money all the time for goods and services to be received at a future date. Regardless of the legal standpoint (which I don't know, I'm not a lawyer) it doesn't seem like very good business practice to be not providing something that you were paid for.
Remember also that a game like GT6 doesn't even necessarily come on a disc in this day and age. Many people may have bought it digitally. Are they only entitled to what was available at release? What was available when they bought it? What was available at the final update?
I don't think looking at it as "you get what's on the disc, end of story" simplifies matters at all. If anything it makes it far more complex.
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No way, I didn't realise the first open Japanese event for GTS is today!
I really hope we get to see some new stuff...
I really hope we get to see some new stuff...
