Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[Imari]

@Imari I just don't see it happening, the PS4 is in such a strong place that their high caliber exclusives will dominate regardless, heck if niche titles like Nioh and Bloodbourne can sell multi-million copies, GTS is going to clean house.

Team Ninja and FromSoftware are hardly niche unknowns. They have well developed styles that have been proven to sell well. Nioh and Bloodborne are hardly niche titles, they're solid, well made and marketed exclusives from teams with an established history of quality games.

GTS could absolutely go down the same path and sell brilliantly, but I don't think that it's a given just because there are a lot of PS4 users. Nor do I think that anyone should want that to be the case, I expect that most here would rather see another great installment to the series that sells because it's a great game rather than a mediocre game that happens to sell well simply because it's on the right platform.

I do think that there's more difficulty to selling something like GTS in a modern marketplace though. If you look at trailers and gameplay of things like Nioh or Bloodborne, they look awesome and exciting. Even if that's not your genre, you might be tempted to pick them up just because of the awesome factor.

Modern racing games really struggle with that. In the past they had a leg up because it was relatively easier to make a racing game look very realistic, what with most of the environment being hard surfaces and all. I think we're past that stage, and it's not entirely clear what racing games have to offer that competes with the storytelling, strategy or immersion that other genres can provide.

Even as a racing fan, I find myself more engaged by the new Mass Effect than GTS, if only because I know that in all likelihood I already have games that will offer what GTS does. I hardly expect much new from ME either, but if nothing else I expect a good story and an interesting journey to undertake.

 

[Tired Tyres]

I will have a nice week between new VGT unveil, the 2nd session F1 test and maybe, the article on Destination Playstation event

Fixed for you. You don't speak for anyone other than yourself. 👍

 

[Mike_grpA]

You seem to be unaware of the car and track list for both AC and Pcars, as while GT has the raw numbers in terms of car count, once you remove the duplicates the actual variety left doesn't for me show GT to be better in that regard.

Nor is the track list argument valid for me, Pcars has a much better range and scope of tracks than GT and while AC has a smaller list, the quality of modelling is a far higher step up than PD's offerings.

Don't even mention rally in GT as in terms of stage and physics modelling it's always been a step behind, Dirt and to a larger degree SLRE both as so far ahead of anything GT has ever done in those areas.

Not that I understand why you would want to limit yourself to one title, I have pretty much every SIM title on PS4 and while I have GTS in pre-order I am under no illusions that it will be able to replace them all in any way.

I also could not imagine waiting four years for a SIM on PS4, it to me makes no sense given the truely excellent titles that we have available right now and the ones that are on the horizon (and not just GTS)

Hear hear!

 

[Tassie_tiger]

@Imari and @Tornado
Sure, each to their own.
For me, I find it becoming more and more unnecessary, and therefore the continuation rather annoying.
But unnecessary in that, to me, the forumer now seems quite muted in posts.
I could take a reasonable quess as to why.
And I find that quite sad.

Anyway, I've said what I wanted to say, so I'm moving forward. 👍

GT6 runs on p2p networks correct? So I would imagine they will run GTSport high profile events on an actual dedicated server.

I'm fairly certain that this scenario has been officially stated.
So I imagine that what you imagine will be the set-up for GTSport.

We will have a nice week between new VGT unveil, the 2nd session F1 test and maybe, the article on Destination Playstation event

From where I sit, your post didn't require "fixing".
Yes, we have a good week ahead of us. 👍

I'm interested in how gran-turismo.com respond after the official reveal of the Fittipaldi EF7.
I assume there will finally be some sort of official recognition of the car on the website, which hopefully will clear up some foggy details.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Team Ninja and FromSoftware are hardly niche unknowns. They have well developed styles that have been proven to sell well. Nioh and Bloodborne are hardly niche titles, they're solid, well made and marketed exclusives from teams with an established history of quality games.

GTS could absolutely go down the same path and sell brilliantly, but I don't think that it's a given just because there are a lot of PS4 users. Nor do I think that anyone should want that to be the case, I expect that most here would rather see another great installment to the series that sells because it's a great game rather than a mediocre game that happens to sell well simply because it's on the right platform.

I do think that there's more difficulty to selling something like GTS in a modern marketplace though. If you look at trailers and gameplay of things like Nioh or Bloodborne, they look awesome and exciting. Even if that's not your genre, you might be tempted to pick them up just because of the awesome factor.

Modern racing games really struggle with that. In the past they had a leg up because it was relatively easier to make a racing game look very realistic, what with most of the environment being hard surfaces and all. I think we're past that stage, and it's not entirely clear what racing games have to offer that competes with the storytelling, strategy or immersion that other genres can provide.

Even as a racing fan, I find myself more engaged by the new Mass Effect than GTS, if only because I know that in all likelihood I already have games that will offer what GTS does. I hardly expect much new from ME either, but if nothing else I expect a good story and an interesting journey to undertake.

They are unless you're hardcore though.

Agree with the rest of the post and you do make excellent points, the one thing I feel that is consistent for attracting gamers are visuals and PD always have that advantage. The genre's main issue is it's inability to evolve (it's the same for sports game) there is no story so the only thing you can really sell is the visual quality and the occasional gameplay innovation (for GTS this could be GTSport mode or maybe VR).

 

[rono_thomas]

Whilst most veiwpoints here from GT Fans to GT sceptics are valid there is a lot that PD/Sony could learn, I struggle to understand their methods or thoughts.

The way I look at is GT will always sell, its not quite in the same bracket as PCars or AC, pre GTSport that is due to the uncertainty of how or what GTSport finished product will be.

Whats key for me is that there are avenues that PD/Sony could pursue that would do nothing to hurt their brand but to grow and improve it, its the non activity or reluctance to grow in these directions that concerns me the most, what are their motives?

I have a gut feeling that behind the scenes putting graphics aside, they are not out in front of their competition which is a position that they have grown used to, just hope that they realised that this us not privileged and that they are judged in the product they deliver.

I've said it before that putting your eggs in one basket is a risk, which may end up being warranted but I believe their tunnel vision is with holding their innovation, like they've set the bar to low.

 

[LegendRazgriz]

It really is not looking very good for GTS at this point. We could take PD's silence for GT5, because that was a different thing from what we're getting in Sport. At the rate they're going, 7 is going to be a PS5 title, or another GT6, made at the dying end of the console's lifespan. As much as I like to be optimistic, I think gambling all in on Sport to fulfill the fanbase's need for a racing game until they get the actual thing, which is 7, done, was a mistake. That said, if the whole eSports thing works, I have no idea and kinda fear what will happen.

 

[sems4arsenal]

That US gamer article while praising the dirt physics they actually made me worried, the writer says that he tried to Scandi-flick the Subaru only to be met by understeer, this isn't supposed to happen and it maybe confirms that weight-shifting in this game has no effect on grip.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

@RACECAR they will likely have a strong E3 and coupled with Sony's huge marketing budget all of that will be forgotten.

What people might not forget is that there will be another game coming out that covers almost everything GTS is set to offer (based on what we know of it so far), and another game that covers what the GT series used to be.

Project CARS 2 will be arriving at roughly the same time (barring its own delays). It has more tracks, more cars, a more robust, community-driven online mode, dynamic time and weather, and likely better physics. It doesn't look quite as good, I'll give it that — but we're talking tiny differences. The team has seemingly learned from the bug-riddled launch of the first title, and is dedicating months to QA. This could be a huge title.

Forza Motorsport 7 could be a Scorpio launch title. It could pack well over 600 cars, detailed to a level we haven't seen in a GT title. Those looking for a carPG will have the broadest lineup available this generation, possibly ever. The physics will be a wash — FM6 does a lot of stuff better than the last GT, even if both aren't at AC levels — but will continue having the approachability the two franchises are known for. T10 even seems to be attacking the eSports side of things lately, though who knows how much that will be baked into FM7.

Plus, AC will continue to be polished throughout 2017. By the end of the year, it might even be a well-rounded game!

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure GT Sport will sell well on name recognition alone — just as it always has — but missing that November 2016 was a huge blow IMO. The game essentially had the market to itself then: now, it could be going up against a bunch of similar titles that all massively out-point it in a variety of ways. Except graphics, which has always been a GT calling card.

 

[Mr P510]

Here's a fun fact......
My town has 2 EB Games outlets here.
All GT Sport Advertising has been removed from both stores.

Just sayin...

 

[PzR Slim]

What people might not forget is that there will be another game coming out that covers almost everything GTS is set to offer (based on what we know of it so far), and another game that covers what the GT series used to be.

Project CARS 2 will be arriving at roughly the same time (barring its own delays). It has more tracks, more cars, a more robust, community-driven online mode, dynamic time and weather, and likely better physics. It doesn't look quite as good, I'll give it that — but we're talking tiny differences. The team has seemingly learned from the bug-riddled launch of the first title, and is dedicating months to QA. This could be a huge title.

Forza Motorsport 7 could be a Scorpio launch title. It could pack well over 600 cars, detailed to a level we haven't seen in a GT title. Those looking for a carPG will have the broadest lineup available this generation, possibly ever. The physics will be a wash — FM6 does a lot of stuff better than the last GT, even if both aren't at AC levels — but will continue having the approachability the two franchises are known for. T10 even seems to be attacking the eSports side of things lately, though who knows how much that will be baked into FM7.

Plus, AC will continue to be polished throughout 2017. By the end of the year, it might even be a well-rounded game!

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure GT Sport will sell well on name recognition alone — just as it always has — but missing that November 2016 was a huge blow IMO. The game essentially had the market to itself then: now, it could be going up against a bunch of similar titles that all massively out-point it in a variety of ways. Except graphics, which has always been a GT calling card.

All good points Slip, however, I still think GT will sell more copies than either and probably more than both of them combined. It'll do that on the back of it's name however and nothing to do with it's quality as a game. I'm quite certain that both FM7 and PC2 will be much better games than GT. That doesn't matter to the masses though, they will see Gran Turismo on the game box and buy it. And that is part of the problem, PD could put out a turd and it would sell.

 

[Tired Tyres]

I wish people would stop saying this will sell on name alone. It's an insult to gamers. Anyone who hears about this game and has even a passing interest in it would then go online and find out about it. Stop pretending that gamers don't know how to keep up to date on games that interest them.

 

[AKps3]

I wish people would stop saying this will sell on name alone. It's an insult to gamers. Anyone who hears about this game and has even a passing interest in it would then go online and find out about it. Stop pretending that gamers don't know how to keep up to date on games that interest them.

It will sell on the name alone like CoD games

 

[Tornado]

 

[sems4arsenal]

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure GT Sport will sell well on name recognition alone — just as it always has — but missing that November 2016 was a huge blow IMO. The game essentially had the market to itself then: now, it could be going up against a bunch of similar titles that all massively out-point it in a variety of ways. Except graphics, which has always been a GT calling card.

It's both a blessing and a curse, they will get the benefit of a higher install base(Especially for Pro and VR adopters). The PCARS situation is a bit like the BF1,COD,Tf2 situation last year, at the end Call of Duty still sold the best.

Edit: @Tired Tyres what's wrong with selling on name? happens almost everytime, an established franchise will no doubt have a massive advantage in sales.

 

[timekiller001]

With the long wait for GT Sport, I think more and more that GT6 as it was was a mistake. It was not right on PS3 or they should have released GT6 on PS4 as well. I mean, once Sport comes out, the PS4 will be on the market for 3.5-4 years. Way too long for such a flagship franchise.

 

[Tired Tyres]

It will sell on the name alone like CoD games

Very funny. CoD is CoD. Everyone knows it hardly changes so they KNOW what they will get.

 

[AKps3]

Very funny. CoD is CoD. Everyone knows it hardly changes so they KNOW what they will get.

Do GT games hardly change?
Remember CoD Infinite Warefare trailer with 3mio dislikes? And it still outsold BF1 the so called "CoD killer".
The same goes for GT. People said Pcars and AC are GT killers, but did they sold more than a GT game?
Alot of people are not on game forums or news pages.They see the game in the store and they are buying it because of the name

 

[PzR Slim]

I wish people would stop saying this will sell on name alone. It's an insult to gamers. Anyone who hears about this game and has even a passing interest in it would then go online and find out about it. Stop pretending that gamers don't know how to keep up to date on games that interest them.

It's the absolute truth.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

It's both a blessing and a curse, they will get the benefit of a higher install base(Especially for Pro and VR adopters). The PCARS situation is a bit like the BF1,COD,Tf2 situation last year, at the end Call of Duty still sold the best.

Edit: @Tired Tyres what's wrong with selling on name? happens almost everytime, an established franchise will no doubt have a massive advantage in sales.

Eh, the "higher install base" argument didn't work in GT6's favour.

Yeah, COD sold the most, but it also ranked lowest on Metacritic out of the three. I'm sure that matters little to Activision — critical praise doesn't pay the bills — but sales numbers mean almost nothing to us, the gamers, in terms of the gameplay experience. It means there may be more folks online to play against, and it means there's a better chance of a sequel, but GT Sport selling more than its competition won't make it a better game.

Do GT games hardly change?
Remember CoD Infinite Warefare trailer with 3mio dislikes? And it still outsold BF1 the so called "CoD killer".
The same goes for GT. People said Pcars and AC are GT killers, but did they sold more than a GT game?

GT games don't change massively IMO. GT6 was different to what had come before for all the wrong reasons: it was missing a lot of features at launch that were already in GT5. GT Sport is very different to the PS3 games in terms of game design, but not much different than other games out in the genre (iRacing, PCARS).

Do you really want to say GT is the racing genre's COD? I mean, in some ways, it's very true, but that's not a very flattering comparison for GT, I'd say!

It's the absolute truth.

Indeed. As much as all of us may geek out over the smallest of details in any of the myriad racing games available out there, a lot of people simply don't care as much.

Look at the Camry's continued success in the US. Some people just want a midsize car, and the Camry's reputation has carried it for decades at this point.

 

[TS050]

I wish people would stop saying this will sell on name alone. It's an insult to gamers. Anyone who hears about this game and has even a passing interest in it would then go online and find out about it. Stop pretending that gamers don't know how to keep up to date on games that interest them.

Is just game. Why you hef to be mad?

 

[AKps3]

Do you really want to say GT is the racing genre's COD? I mean, in some ways, it's very true, but that's not a very flattering comparison for GT, I'd say!

Like you said "in some ways it's very true". So yes

 

[sems4arsenal]

@SlipZtrEm don't get me wrong I think it is unfair other racers don't get better sales but then again I don't think the first Project Cars and Assetto Corsa deserve much more(both have more than their fair share of problems). I think overall Forza is still the best racer out there.

I do have small hope GTS will blow us away though

 

[jm79]

@SlipZtrEm don't get me wrong I think it is unfair other racers don't get better sales but then again I don't think the first Project Cars and Assetto Corsa deserve much more(both have more than their fair share of problems). I think overall Forza is still the best racer out there.

I do have small hope GTS will blow us away though

Healthy skepticism with a decent dose of reality and a small bit of hope.

Best way to approach this - I'm with you brother

 

[TurismoBad]

I'm not sure if kids today know about GT like we used to. The "selling on a name" thing is getting less important as the PS1/PS2 generation of old fans is getting older and moving away from the genre or games altogether.

It's still a thing but not as much I believe.

 

[queleuleu]

I'm not sure if kids today know about GT like we used to. The "selling on a name" thing is getting less important as the PS1/PS2 generation of old fans is getting older and moving away from the genre or games altogether.

It's still a thing but not as much I believe.

You are absolutely right. Racing games (arcade or sim) are no more popular among kids today. I'm sure they must consider GT like an odd game. Forza is now the cool game, but the generation is more COD/GTA/FIFA/DOTA. (everything but racing games^^)

(Impressions from the GDC build in Italian : http://multiplayer.it/video/gt-sport-per-ps4/gran-turismo-sport-videoanteprima-gdc17.hi/ )

 

[TurismoBad]

You are absolutely right. Racing games (arcade or sim) are no more popular among kids today. I'm sure they must consider GT like an odd game. Forza is now the cool game, but the generation is more COD/GTA/FIFA/DOTA. (everything but racing games^^)

(Impressions from the GDC build in Italian : http://multiplayer.it/video/gt-sport-per-ps4/gran-turismo-sport-videoanteprima-gdc17.hi/ )

Thanks I watched it. Same old demo just updated.

Gist of what was said:

When asked about release date

"It seems no one knows this right now"

Game is fun, looks nice, definitely "Gran Turismo" for better or worst.

"It's a personal opinion but every-time I play it I want to have some more"

"There has been this trend of ultra realism lately and you can feel that GT is still doing it's own thing - definitely not an arcade title though"

"Like for example I played some Tokyo track and there's walls but if you hit them you don't get a realistic response"

In the end he said the game is solid but it feels like it's made more for a GT fan than a racing game fan in general.

 

[Zlork]

I just remembered that there will be a video game show in Italy on 15-19 March : http://www.letsplay.net/it

 

[TurismoBad]

I just remembered that there will be a video game show in Italy on 15-19 March : http://www.letsplay.net/it

It says that this list will be getting updated but for now these are the games which will be playable on the show floor

http://www.letsplay.net/IT/Cosa_fare/5/Play_video_games/256

No GTS.

 

[dimassa19]

Healthy skepticism with a decent dose of reality and a small bit of hope.

Best way to approach this - I'm with you brother

Nice post! My hope in GTPlanet still alive.