Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

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Lets be honest, who else does Sony have that is completely under their control and makes first party games? Guerilla? San Diego Studio? Bend?

Some of the most noticeable games coming out in the next few months for Sony (Nier: Automata, Persona 5) are both, essentially, made by mercenaries. Horizon: Zero Dawn and GT Sport, whenever it comes, are one of the few that are made by Sony, for Sony. And we don't even know when the latter is coming.
 
PD take years to code something for any given platform so they would have to throw all their work on PS4/pro since 2013 out of the window and start all over again

Well like for PS4, PD had already access to development kits before it was available for other developers. The development for GTS started during the PS3 era. Sony's X86-architecture will mostly be used for PS5 as well. Hardware will be more powerfull, software will be easily adaptable. Optimalizing their code will be much easier towards PS5. It could happen....:dunce:
 
I meant a new platform as in one where Gran Turismo hasn't been in. The PS3 was ****ing ancient when GT5 came around.

EDIT: It would still be considered a "new" platform even though it's technically old due to that. If I wasn't clear enough, I apologize.
Even if we looked at it from this angle, we have to ask wh can SMS, Kunos, Codemasters and Milestone get games out well before PD with a smaller budget and on multiple platforms? We should remember too this isn't a once off with PDI, they have form.

If i was topdog at Sony I'd be putting a new team together to start GT7 right now and a team that has a clear vision to make it equal to Forza and better.
 
Well like for PS4, PD had already access to development kits before it was available for other developers. The development for GTS started during the PS3 era. Sony's X86-architecture will mostly be used for PS5 as well. Hardware will be more powerfull, software will be easily adaptable. Optimalizing their code will be much easier towards PS5. It could happen....:dunce:
Yes if you're competent :D
 
Fortunately, that Destination Playstation event will bring something new :)

Just a thought, we know almost nothing of GTSport : 5 tracks with some cars, Scapes and a FIA championship. A new unveil (more modest) would be interesting in May.
 
To be fair, and most people would agree with me, if they made GT7 as a literal carbon copy of 4 with improved textures, the newer cars, a Vision GT menu if they wish to keep that going and detailed models for all cars that realistically can have them (knowing the car-padding that goes on with the 15 S2000s and the like, you'd probably just need three HD models for those sorts of cars), fixed the old issues (such as every penalty in rallies being against you regardless of who caused it), and the online functionalities, it would be universally loved and praised. It's not easy to go wrong with the GT game formula. If anything, they should send GT7 into development hell just for sound and model improvements, and have the core game mechanics remain as they were in the best of the series.
 
To be fair, and most people would agree with me, if they made GT7 as a literal carbon copy of 4 with improved textures, the newer cars, a Vision GT menu if they wish to keep that going and detailed models for all cars that realistically can have them (knowing the car-padding that goes on with the 15 S2000s and the like, you'd probably just need three HD models for those sorts of cars), fixed the old issues (such as every penalty in rallies being against you regardless of who caused it), and the online functionalities, it would be universally loved and praised. It's not easy to go wrong with the GT game formula. If anything, they should send GT7 into development hell just for sound and model improvements, and have the core game mechanics remain as they were in the best of the series.

No, and here's why:

The sim racing market has changed since 2005 or whenever GT4 came out. Look at what Assetto Corsa or Project CARS are doing, just on consoles. They are shifting to smaller in scope games. Project CARS is giving you a game where you can essentially live out a career in clawing up the various motorsports ladder rungs, and giving everything to you free so you don't have to do the run around in unlocking things. Assetto Corsa is much more simpler, mainly a more focused hot lapping simulator, but it makes up for it in a deep physics system that pushes you to learn the physics of each car.

The only one doing the same 'car-PG' type of stuff that GT proliferated is Forza, and even then, people are getting tired of it. And that's the bottom line when it comes to sim racing games nowadays, smaller, more focused experiences. Not any of this 700 car nonsense. Letting graphical fidelity, physics and strength of tracks and car list say what needs to be said.

So trying to essentially remake GT4 isn't going to work. Sim racing fans especially are going to eviscerate PD for pulling that sort of stunt.
 
Yes, and here's why:

There is nothing new under the sun. The more people say things have changed the more it becomes clear that no it hasn't.

The last game with a mode in the style of a traditional GT-Mode sold over 10 million copies. Neither Pro Cars or, my personal favourite, Assetto Corso have sold in anything like the numbers to approach that. Some people want the career Pro Cars offer, others want a GT-Mode style. One form does not exclude the other.

A remake of GT3 is far more attainable given the GTS content and would sell in sufficient numbers to make Sony money.
 
No, and here's why:

The sim racing market has changed since 2005 or whenever GT4 came out. Look at what Assetto Corsa or Project CARS are doing, just on consoles. They are shifting to smaller in scope games. Project CARS is giving you a game where you can essentially live out a career in clawing up the various motorsports ladder rungs, and giving everything to you free so you don't have to do the run around in unlocking things. Assetto Corsa is much more simpler, mainly a more focused hot lapping simulator, but it makes up for it in a deep physics system that pushes you to learn the physics of each car.

The only one doing the same 'car-PG' type of stuff that GT proliferated is Forza, and even then, people are getting tired of it. And that's the bottom line when it comes to sim racing games nowadays, smaller, more focused experiences. Not any of this 700 car nonsense. Letting graphical fidelity, physics and strength of tracks and car list say what needs to be said.

So trying to essentially remake GT4 isn't going to work. Sim racing fans especially are going to eviscerate PD for pulling that sort of stunt.

There's where my point stands: GT's advantages over PCars and AC lie in number of cars and diversity of gameplay. While in AC and PCars as far as I can tell you're mostly confined to race cars, in GT you can have tuners, concept cars and $1,000,000+ exotics without giving way to the overly arcade-y gameplay of, say, Need for Speed. All that without needing to give up the diversity of race cars and real world circuits, as you'd somewhat do with a Forza Motorsport game. That is what GT is in the current racing game meta: the best of all worlds in one game. Instead of getting PCars, DiRT, and Forza, you get one game for all your car needs. To me, that's always been the reason I love Gran Turismo.
 
There's where my point stands: GT's advantages over PCars and AC lie in number of cars and diversity of gameplay. While in AC and PCars as far as I can tell you're mostly confined to race cars, in GT you can have tuners, concept cars and $1,000,000+ exotics without giving way to the overly arcade-y gameplay of, say, Need for Speed. All that without needing to give up the diversity of race cars and real world circuits, as you'd somewhat do with a Forza Motorsport game. That is what GT is in the current racing game meta: the best of all worlds in one game. Instead of getting PCars, DiRT, and Forza, you get one game for all your car needs. To me, that's always been the reason I love Gran Turismo.

There's already a game like what you're suggesting: it's called Forza Motorsport 6. It arguably has more diversity in its car list than any other title that's come before.

I too enjoy the more traditional GT approach, so that's probably why I've played so much FM6. Whether or not the new approach will be a success remains to be seen, but it's pretty obvious that, for whatever reason, Polyphony has chosen this direction and is sticking to it. Judging by the focus on eSports features in both it and PCARS2, the industry sees it as the next big thing.

If I had to guess, I'd say the old style was abandoned because it just isn't possible for the team to knock out massive amounts of content compared to the competition. We've seen the rate at which cars have come along: there's no way Polyphony could match Turn 10 in sheer counts on this generation, and Polyphony models, as far as we know, aren't extensively modelled under-the-hood like Forza cars. Polyphony's still un-challenged in terms of lighting models IMO, but car counts? It can't compete.
 
Bolded: PD is one of the golden children of Sony, one of the few completely first party developers they have under their control, and one of the oldest in that regard.

I'll be honest and say that Polyphony has been consistently left in the dust with the output of other developers in the industry. But what's more telling is that this isn't a two horse anymore like when GT4 came out, where the only real competition that GT had that could come close to their quality and output was Codemasters. Now you have SMS, Kunos, T10, and that doesn't even take into account the sim developers that are on PC like Reiza, Simbin, etc.
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PD don't have competition, they operate in a vacuum (always have). GT5's sales is almost equal to FH3, Assetto Cora and Project Cars' sales .... Combined.

Will GT Sport also be a sales monster? I don't know but don't see why not.
 
What do players who regularly play GT6 online think, is it possible to build stable online servers for those GTS events that will be broadcasted live on television?

I can already imagine serious GTS FIA online event turning into complete mockery because of the lag, skipping or connection issues for some players...
 
What do players who regularly play GT6 online think, is it possible to build stable online servers for those GTS events that will be broadcasted live on television?

I can already imagine serious GTS FIA online event turning into complete mockery because of the lag, skipping or connection issues for some players...

GT6 runs on p2p networks correct? So I would imagine they will run GTSport high profile events on an actual dedicated server.
 
GTS is how I see they're being brave by taking this new path; they're not resting on their laurels. It doesn't seem nearly as approachable, which is how it appears right now with the career mode replicating a driver's journey. It's appealing, but it doesn't LOOK as approachable to a casual gamer. Then again, PD are not going to all of a sudden forget all they've done these past twenty years and become unrecognizable.

It's why I'm not concerned. I am frustrated, but that doesn't really matter. They shouldn't be forced to be "just like everyone else" all because I'M bothered by the lack of transparency. I check for news multiple times a day. Too bad, so sad.

GT6 runs on p2p networks correct? So I would imagine they will run GTSport high profile events on an actual dedicated server.
Dedicated servers. That's the plan.
Hopefully through the spectator mode, it won't be like watching RC cars anymore.
 
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Sport is kinda sad for me, because it's gonna be the first of the Gran Turismo games for which I'm not buying a console for. I bought my now deceased PSOne for GT2, my PS2 for GT3, and my PS3 for GT5. Sadly, though, GTS simply didn't generate enough hype or trust in it for me to want a PS4 just for it. I am getting it, but the console is being bought mainly for Ace Combat 7.
 
Off-topic, so please excuse this digression.
But I might take the opportunity to quote someone whose posts I respect to get something off my chest.

Personally, I think it's time to let go of the reasonably consistent, fairly long term, passive aggressive remarks targeted towards one particular forumer.
I'm sure many/most here know what I'm refering to. ;)

Peace. 👍

I'm kind of OK with it. The dude keeps posting stuff that borders between incredibly optimistic and outright lies. One could ignore it I suppose. Or one could simply correct him straight faced, but that gets hard when the same thing keeps turning up. Or one could correct him yet try and have a little fun with it, which unfortunately if you're on the other end tends to look passive aggressive.

It's actually more along the lines of wry sarcasm in that I almost always know roughly what answer I'm going to get, and any post is more for the purpose of making sure that other people are also mentally questioning what this member says instead of taking it at face value as accurate information.

The last thing that Gran Turismo needs at this point is the hype train getting out of control with people speculating. I remember GT5. I do understand the point that you're trying to make, but I also think that it's important as a community that we take at least some personal responsibility for the information that gets disseminated about the game.

We're probably the most well informed people on GTS, because we all actually care about what the game will be like. I think it's reasonable that we make at least some small effort to curb misinformation. And given that we have Kaz and his tendency to run his mouth I think it's reasonable that we also make an effort to attach the disclaimer to anything he claims for his game: "This guy has a tendency to talk about what he wants the game to be, not necessarily what it will be, take anything he says with a grain of salt."

But that's my take on the overly optimistic mindset. We've got a game that has had a beta cancelled and has been delayed. I've seen the damage overhype did to the brand with GT5 and GT6. I'd rather try and temper expectations so that when GTS comes out it's better than anyone expected.

GT5's sales is almost equal to FH3, Assetto Cora and Project Cars' sales .... Combined.

GT5 is a seven year old game that came after a very protracted wait for a game from a developer that was arguably coming off the back of the best game it ever made. With a demo and a Prologue that made the game look very appealing indeed.

Polyphony can't rely on getting the GT5 effect happening again. They need a good game, they can't rely on brand presence this time.

There's where my point stands: GT's advantages over PCars and AC lie in number of cars and diversity of gameplay. While in AC and PCars as far as I can tell you're mostly confined to race cars, in GT you can have tuners, concept cars and $1,000,000+ exotics without giving way to the overly arcade-y gameplay of, say, Need for Speed. All that without needing to give up the diversity of race cars and real world circuits, as you'd somewhat do with a Forza Motorsport game. That is what GT is in the current racing game meta: the best of all worlds in one game. Instead of getting PCars, DiRT, and Forza, you get one game for all your car needs. To me, that's always been the reason I love Gran Turismo.

But Gran Turismo Sport isn't that sort of game. It's far more like AC and pCARS. GTS is absolutely not a one stop shop for all your racing needs.

From what I've seen, I'm taking GTS as a sort of 7 Prologue. It's a smaller game, made to test the waters for a new platform. I think Kaz just realised "oh, I can actually make this a big thing with the whole FIA stuff and whatnot" instead of releasing a game that literally had "work in progress" written on the title.

If it takes them four years to make a Prologue, we're all boned. There won't be enough time to get the full size game out on PS4, and so before you know it we'll be on PS5 and they'll have to make another Prologue to test the waters again. Repeat ad infinitum.
 
@Imari I just don't see it happening, the PS4 is in such a strong place that their high caliber exclusives will dominate regardless, heck if niche titles like Nioh and Bloodbourne can sell multi-million copies, GTS is going to clean house.

With the silent treatment PD constantly gives AND all the repeated stumbles (Cancelled Beta, Delay, no major news outside what was shown at E3), I do not have high hopes for that happening.
 
Off-topic, so please excuse this digression.
But I might take the opportunity to quote someone whose posts I respect to get something off my chest.

Personally, I think it's time to let go of the reasonably consistent, fairly long term, passive aggressive remarks targeted towards one particular forumer.
I'm sure many/most here know what I'm refering to. ;)

Peace. 👍
We're fast approaching an anniversary of when a French game journalist was invited to take a tour of PD's offices, look in on GT Sport's development, interview Kaz and almost certainly play GT Sport in some form. From what that journalist saw, he reported that he believed (not even that it would, but simply that he thought) the game would be delayed past the end of the year and that things that were supposed to happen that March were not going to happen. That one forumer first claimed that the Tweet that reported his thoughts was mistranslated in this thread. Then he claimed the podcast that the tweet was sourced from didn't contain what the tweet said. Then he essentially claimed the guy, who was invited by PD to take a tour of PD's offices, look in on GT Sport's development, interview Kaz and almost certainly play GT Sport in some form, was just a hack journalist who worked for a hack company that couldn't be trusted. Then he claimed that the guy hadn't actually seen any of GT Sport's development, because he had only been given a small tour. Then he finally just claimed the guy wasn't credible (I believe the specific term was "insane") because he didn't like VR from what he'd played. Then the forumer made a show of storming off the forum in a huff... for like three weeks before coming back to argue with people who know Japanese what PD's release date for the beta really meant so he could claim they hadn't missed it so long as they released it before July.

GT Sport's beta was then quietly cancelled soon after (which is most likely what the journalist was referring to) and the game still hasn't been given a release date, over a year later.







And maybe other members wouldn't keep calling back to it and other similar events if it didn't keep being relevant to more recent posts.
 
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There's where my point stands: GT's advantages over PCars and AC lie in number of cars and diversity of gameplay. While in AC and PCars as far as I can tell you're mostly confined to race cars, in GT you can have tuners, concept cars and $1,000,000+ exotics without giving way to the overly arcade-y gameplay of, say, Need for Speed. All that without needing to give up the diversity of race cars and real world circuits, as you'd somewhat do with a Forza Motorsport game. That is what GT is in the current racing game meta: the best of all worlds in one game. Instead of getting PCars, DiRT, and Forza, you get one game for all your car needs. To me, that's always been the reason I love Gran Turismo.


You seem to be unaware of the car and track list for both AC and Pcars, as while GT has the raw numbers in terms of car count, once you remove the duplicates the actual variety left doesn't for me show GT to be better in that regard.

Nor is the track list argument valid for me, Pcars has a much better range and scope of tracks than GT and while AC has a smaller list, the quality of modelling is a far higher step up than PD's offerings.

Don't even mention rally in GT as in terms of stage and physics modelling it's always been a step behind, Dirt and to a larger degree SLRE both as so far ahead of anything GT has ever done in those areas.

Not that I understand why you would want to limit yourself to one title, I have pretty much every SIM title on PS4 and while I have GTS in pre-order I am under no illusions that it will be able to replace them all in any way.

I also could not imagine waiting four years for a SIM on PS4, it to me makes no sense given the truely excellent titles that we have available right now and the ones that are on the horizon (and not just GTS)
 
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