Gran Turismo Unpopular Opinions Thread
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There are many things in the GT series that have a valid place in the game that aren't racing.
Taking photos of your cars isn't racing. Gawping at the beautiful menus isn't racing. Reading the car descriptions isn't racing - but these are mainstays in the GT series that considerable attention is paid to, by both the developers and players. I'm sure we'd miss them if GT7 rocked up without them. GT has always been about broader things than just racing in a narrow sense - I don't see why that should change any time soon.
- 912
- Brazil
Not only that.
Imagine the photo realistic lightning of this game with dynamic time...Imagine the sun going down while you're 300km/h down the mulsanne.
Imagine the same photo realistic lighting and the new tires physics under dynamic weather, and having to change tires through the race, imagine how much that would single player endurances more engaging.
Look at the fun and engaging off road physics and how poorly this game takes advantage of them...Now imagine dynamic weather and time with this physics..
And look at how dull and boring the GT League mode is, even if you make it harder for yourself by driving a slower car, it still lacks the depth of the past games.
And look at the non existent tuning parts for road cars in the game, I get that it isn't a proper GT game like 6, 5 and so on, but when you put such a amazing livery editor like this game has, and not put in some customization options for the cars to go along with the liveries, it just makes the cars look incomplete. Spoilers, side skirts and custom bumpers should be in the game along with the livery editor...And what stopped them from adding it to this game that has a smaller roster than GT5 and GT6? I just don't get it.
And then there's damage...If there was no game where PD could have tried their hand with proper damage physics and effects, it was this since they cut down on the car roster a lot...Or at least a proper mechanical damage for important races like FIA and dailies...Crashing head-on against the wall and driving it off in a serious game like this shouldn't even be possible.
And on to the penalties...The system will never be perfect, but slow down zones are as stupid as being able to shaving them off...If you got penalties, you should be forced to drive into the pits or be disqualified.
And you shouldn't get a penalty just because you crashed into a barrier, that's asinine, you are already penalized by losing speed and time, so why the game thinks you should be forced to slow down too?
That's why whenever I try to play to play this game, I can't play longer than a hour before playing something else.
If Project Cars 2 weren't such a buggy mess and with a almost dead player base, I would have sold my GTS copy already and buy that instead...Fancy graphics are cool and all, but it's content that keeps players in the game and other players coming back.
This game lost all the appeal it had going for me.
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- Spaceman47y0
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- Brazil
Isn't the problem with dinamic weather change because the lightning engine doesn't allow it?It has to be fixed time.
I will never agree with this,disqualifying for penalties is the quickest way to kill the online community.I understand your other points and i would love to have dinamic time/weather with these graphics.
- 3,548
- Theresa, Wisconsin
I seem to visit the car museums by accident. I turn the game on to race but then something catches my eye in the changing timeline at the main menu. So I will go the that particular museum and find myself spending 45 minutes there before I realize it. I do miss the car tuning. I really liked the tuning options from GT and GT2 where you could take a stock showroom vehicle and turn into a full on race car complete with aero kits. It was always a pleasant surprise which cars could and sometimes could not be turned into very cool race cars with often times more power than the factory LM cars.
PS where is the Renault Espace F1???
- 912
- Brazil
True that, even though word on these forums says differently, there's a article of 2018 does confirm that the "iris" is a raytracking lighting system that is pre-baked: https://www.gtplanet.net/polyphony-digital-reveals-gt-sports-iris-ray-tracing-system-at-cedec-2018/
But still, I can only dream of dynamic time and weather with this incredible lighting, I would feel at home in Interlagos.
How does disqualifying penalties would kill the community? If anything, it would remove the bad apples out of the game which is a good thing for me.
Of course the penalty system would need a overhaul, along with new rules for penalties such as evaluating where in the track it's expected for a driver to brake, and where he shouldn't brake as so the game can know when a driver tried to "brake check" another, and also evaluating speed of car crashing into the other at the moment of impact(if the current system already does that, it does it poorly)...but after these changes I think disqualifies should be doable.
This is a FIA game after all, so the game should be treated as such, with proper FIA rules for racing, period.
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- London, Ontario
- voodoovaj
Fittingly, I have unpopular opinions about a lot of what you posted.
GT6 had it and it seemed like a waste of resources to me. You had to speed the time up to see anything, never mind that you drive north easterly down the Mulsanne straight, so the sun should be setting behind you.
Are you referring to the dynamic weather that GT6 had and 99.9% of the people complained about?
Imagine if one of the Dailies was a rain race. It would be just as popular as a daily dirt race.
Ehhh...not by much. The gt5 hacking scandal really messed with the devs too much. They should get rid of the daily car prize and stuck to the classic format of having cars that are only available from winning certain events. Aside from that though, the single player isn't all that different from past games.
I would like them to have included B mode. I liked that.
No one really cared about tuning parts.
I am still waiting for the damage we were promised for GT5
I disagree. I wish the zones were used in the dailies. It enforces the loss of track position in many cases.
GT6 had it and it seemed like a waste of resources to me. You had to speed the time up to see anything, never mind that you drive north easterly down the Mulsanne straight, so the sun should be setting behind you.
Are you referring to the dynamic weather that GT6 had and 99.9% of the people complained about?
Imagine if one of the Dailies was a rain race. It would be just as popular as a daily dirt race.
Ehhh...not by much. The gt5 hacking scandal really messed with the devs too much. They should get rid of the daily car prize and stuck to the classic format of having cars that are only available from winning certain events. Aside from that though, the single player isn't all that different from past games.
I would like them to have included B mode. I liked that.
No one really cared about tuning parts.
I am still waiting for the damage we were promised for GT5
I disagree. I wish the zones were used in the dailies. It enforces the loss of track position in many cases.
- 912
- Brazil
Oh boy, seems like my unpopular opinions truly were unpopular to get some people be defensive if the game even in the thread that's dedicated for it.
Predictably, GT6 didn't had proper 24 hours endurance races, but rather 24 minutes which in my opinion is taking a piss at the event.
GT5 had proper 24 hours races, with variable time and weather.
And I fail to see how that's an argument against dynamic time and weather as a option.
If you can't race in wet weather then don't blame the weather, blame your driving skills.
The unpredictability of weather is part of racing, specially in tropical countries like Brazil...Racing in Interlagos and not having to worry about rain feels boring.
More advanced events had tire wear, fuel consumption and even penalties for crashing into the AI, on top of that, there was no "chase the rabbit" BS that the AIs have in this game, they all were of equal ability and would crash way less, GT League difficulty feels like taking a Suzuki ESCUDO into Sunday Cup on past games.
On top of that, there was a real sense of progression with each event you complete, and most of the cars you would get as a prize could be used into further races...And License Tests were actually hard to get gold.
1+ on B-spec mode though, not having that for endurance races is ridiculous.
I know for a fact that some players from this forum cares for it, and you don't speak for everyone.
Same, Kaz and his team should their **** together and be upfront about this issue already...But at least the heavy mechanical damage in this game is mostly OK, but I still think cars should get totalled.
What I don't understand is why light damage is not the standard for dailies, and heavy damage is not the standard for FIA races, currently we can only race with heavy damage on lobbies or custom races...Not even in GT League.
Drive-in pits also enforces it, on top of being safer for drivers coming up behind slower drivers who are serving penalties...I should remind you that the game doesn't force drivers to leave the racing line to serve penalties, but does forces them to slow down, thus creating a hazard.
Predictably, GT6 didn't had proper 24 hours endurance races, but rather 24 minutes which in my opinion is taking a piss at the event.
GT5 had proper 24 hours races, with variable time and weather.
And I fail to see how that's an argument against dynamic time and weather as a option.
If you can't race in wet weather then don't blame the weather, blame your driving skills.
The unpredictability of weather is part of racing, specially in tropical countries like Brazil...Racing in Interlagos and not having to worry about rain feels boring.
More advanced events had tire wear, fuel consumption and even penalties for crashing into the AI, on top of that, there was no "chase the rabbit" BS that the AIs have in this game, they all were of equal ability and would crash way less, GT League difficulty feels like taking a Suzuki ESCUDO into Sunday Cup on past games.
On top of that, there was a real sense of progression with each event you complete, and most of the cars you would get as a prize could be used into further races...And License Tests were actually hard to get gold.
1+ on B-spec mode though, not having that for endurance races is ridiculous.
I know for a fact that some players from this forum cares for it, and you don't speak for everyone.
Same, Kaz and his team should their **** together and be upfront about this issue already...But at least the heavy mechanical damage in this game is mostly OK, but I still think cars should get totalled.
What I don't understand is why light damage is not the standard for dailies, and heavy damage is not the standard for FIA races, currently we can only race with heavy damage on lobbies or custom races...Not even in GT League.
Drive-in pits also enforces it, on top of being safer for drivers coming up behind slower drivers who are serving penalties...I should remind you that the game doesn't force drivers to leave the racing line to serve penalties, but does forces them to slow down, thus creating a hazard.
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- voodoovaj
I was pointing out that you can't drive into the sunset of Mulsanne because the sun would be setting behind you, but just for fun, how many people do you think would participate in a 24 hour sport mode race?
The feature will probably come back for the next iteration of the game, but I don't recall it being used much in GT6. It likely won't get used much in gt7 (or whatever it ends up being called)
It isn't much of a race if no one participates. How many wet race lobbies did GT5 have? what about GT6? Making an assumption that I can't race in the rain won't change the fact that it's a feature that looks nice, but is ultimately unpopular.
I don't know that I agree. Single player was originally the pseudo experience of racing other (real) people. Now that we can actually race other people, what's the point of single player at all.
I have always maintained that the entire campaign should be a multiplayer experience. Maybe toss some of the bots in to fill out the field, but it should be multiplayer at it's core, preferably against people on your friends list rather than random people.
I stopped caring about single player in GT once Prologue was released.
Oh c'mon! Did anyone EVER intentionally put a sport suspension on a car rather than a fully adjustable? Or the sport gearbox? No one REALLY cared to go "buy" parts in a special store and then have to exit that store and go back to your own garage to put the parts on. It was better to just tweak right in the menu, just as we do now.
If a Level 1 or Level 2 of anything was not of absolute benefit, it was never used. So, I'd use a Level 1 to add torque to a car I detuned to get down to a PP level.
But, even that was an esoteric adjustment that the faithful knew about. Most just when for the top shelf.
Every game maintains data on player behaviour. No one removes popular features. They remove the unpopular ones.
The "damage" that we have now isn't really damage, it's just a nuisance. It doesn't really do any benefit and I don't understand why people think it has any effect on other drivers. They only time I get damaged is when someone wrecks me, so I have gained nothing from having that feature in place.
Personally, I think it would be great if the cars took massive visual damage and a big wreck would force a retirement. None of this walk it off BS we have now. IIRC either GT5 or GT6 had a cool interface for repairs during pitstop.
Then again, with the already over whelming crying about "dirty" drivers, I imagine the uproar would be deafening.
Drive through penalties are pretty harsh for the kind of thing penalties are given for now. There would need to be a warning system prior to having to serve a penalty. Getting slapped with 20-30 seconds for a minor shortcut would be ridiculous.
The penalty line isn't much of a hazard. You get almost an entire lap behind someone to see that they have a penalty, so you should be well aware that they are going to serve it.
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- AgentBlackDog
The Sambabus is fun drive on dirt/snow tracks.
- 4,549
- Australia
PD won't include Trial Mountain because the lap times would be too short for Groups 1-4
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- And-War
Brung back GT5 Shuffle mode, or on anline variant with same car and use Weight/power changes to those that Win or loose races.
More weight if you win, less if you loose, I loved the online Shuffle mode and used to play it on Sundays it was a hoot!
More weight if you win, less if you loose, I loved the online Shuffle mode and used to play it on Sundays it was a hoot!
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- Australia
Not sure how wanting to bring back shuffle mode could be considered an unpopular opinion to be honest. It has overwhelming support for its return whenever it gets brought up.
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- France
There are enough tracks and cars for making a good career mode. It's just a matter of game design. And tbh, game design is the biggest flaw of GT today. 20 million credits cars? Endurance races in GT mode and no prize cars?! Daily races in Sport mode but only weekly and only three races? And so on...
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- voodoovaj
It has ALWAYS been the biggest flaw. It has always had terrible game design, from the perspective of game structure and experience.
Still, and I will say this again and again, and it's probably unpopular, but the entire single player should have an online option, like Little Big Planet had. You could either race bots or race friends. You get to choose BoP on or not, and maybe a few other minor settings, and then the game does the rest. All these "championships" are going to waste.
Heck, maybe they can even affect SR and DR. All I know is that I would be far more stoked about something like the Sunday Cup, or Stars and Stripes, etc, if I was racing against real people.
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- Cairo, Egypt
- GTP_SEMS
I want more VGT cars. /dodges pitchforks
- 14,436
- Los Angeles, CA
- Lma_robot
- lImaRobotl
I built cars to specific PP, in Forza or in GTS. I never maxed out anything. Maybe I wanted a small boost in power. Maybe I wanted a better suspension set up. One Major feature that GT built up, was around customization whether that be from the visual aesthetics or performance modification. That is something that most likely the vast, vast majority of people used, whether it was people like me who were more moderate and conservative, or people who just wanted to max out everything for the sake of it.
If this game was based around data sets from previous or current game sets, than we wouldn't have gotten a game that was focused strictly around online competitive racing. They wouldn't have back tracked and put a career mode back into the game. There wouldn't have been anything that remotely resembles license test, because those are one and done, and likely used less than even the customization that you're trying to imply was hardly used.
Than why would they even add one single rain/wet track back in the first place? You keep implying across multiple areas that these things got taken out because no one used it, but that really doesn't make much sense if they're adding them in, even if it is only one track.
Either way, I don't think he was saying you can't. You brought up generalizations about the game, so he's responding to the generalizations.
That you don't need/want it doesn't really mean much for the game though. It makes things interesting not only with how you race, and very much keeps you aware of others actions as well. You know, very much in the same vein as penalties and whatnot? That the game doesn't do it well enough shouldn't be a reason to exclude it. It should be improved upon if that's the case. The thing is though, that'll solve everyones' problem, is to make it an option instead, so you don't force one way on everyone, and everyone ends up happy.
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- TheGaming_Galaxy
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- voodoovaj
Or, fittingly for this thread on unpopular opinions, that data has showed that this is exactly the game the data indicated. I can't deny that my play habits have done a 180 degree turn. In GT6, I was all lobby oriented. Now, I am almost entirely dedicated to Sport Mode. There's still plenty of full field racing, even during off hours. Seems to me that they've made a good choice.
As for career mode, I disagree it was ever intentionally omitted. Rather, my opinion, granted, it was merely incomplete.
Whenever a daily rain race happens, and becomes wildly popular, I'll eat my words.
Who said I didn't want it? You didn't read my post very well. I said I want more extreme damage. The current "damage" is just annoying.
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- Brazil
In my post, which i linked the article, it only says the Iris works with pre-baked rendering, it doesn't mention anything regarding PS4's processing capabilities(which I'm aware that they are limited).
Not being contrarian or anything, I'm just pointing this out.
Do you not consider Side Skirts, Spoilers and custom bumpers to be tuning parts? Because that was what that part of my post was about.
I couldn't care less about preset parts since I always just bought the most expensive options because they were customizable.
Side note, nitrous definitely should make a comeback...Stripped interiors and roll cage options would be nice as well.
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- 3,820
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- voodoovaj
No, because in GT6, they didn't really do much of anything. They were pretty much visual devices only. I can't recall them doing anything as they did in GT5.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a tuning die hard, but just look at all the posts about not having tuning in competitive races.
If it were up to me, the tuning would go back to the GT5 approach and then some. Visual differences should have an affect (like adding down force, etc) and the tires should be a proper +1 or +2 setup, meaning that you get a wider footprint in addition to the lower profile, AND it has an effect on grip.
Then yet again, make the campaign multiplayer. I would play the heck out of that.
BUT BUT The team could be making a case for more funding and more manpower to be able to do all that at a high enough quality. GT6 was a definitely step backwards on the quality front, and I don't believe the team has grown much if at all.
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- Lma_robot
- lImaRobotl
I don't really get this statement. You're saying that the data showed that strict online regulated racing, with the online being a strict focus of the game, is what the data showed it was in favor in? For the GT series, I highly doubt that. The online portion of these games have always been a bit sparse, especially when you compare it to the actual amount of games sold and the vast amount of players there actually are.
Ignoring all that, we actually have stats on trophies acquired at least to get an actual better idea, rather than a few vocal people on a forum. This was in regards to a discussion about Driveclub, but the GTS trophy stats are valid here.
So looking at stats like these, really makes it hard to actually believe that. So if this is what the data showed, than why are so few people that bought the game, actually not on-board with that?
That you can find people to race with doesn't really change that fact though. 35% of 6.6 million players is still 2.3 million people. That doesn't change the fact that it's actually the minority and not the majority like your playing it out to be. It sold very well, I agree with that, but this definitely seems to be a mixed bag of emotions for everyone.
The thing about that though, is that I don't even think that if they happened to make a "bad choice" that it would have changed much in that regard. This is a big name we're talking about here, so you'd still be likely to see a ton of players regardless.
I actually don't agree with that at all. The Circuit Experience and the other training missions(that were basically very much like license test) were supposed to be the actual career mode, at first. It wasn't omitted at all actually, it was just something else entirely. Problem being is that it wasn't a career mode, it was license tests, like I've been touching up on. They back tracked and added in a more fleshed out mode later on down the line in order to win back some of those offline players. Something that definitely was a plus in my book. If it wasn't intentionally omitted, than you'd think that what they actually introduced after the game came out, could have very well been part of the game, especially considering the massive 1 year delay it got.
It really wasn't the focus at all, nor did it even seemed to be planned, and that makes sense. They wanted players to focus on the Sport segment of the game. That's why the original career mode was a sort of learning segment, which you needed to complete in order to play sport mode in the first place. Either they got what they wanted initially so they reintroduced a "proper" career mode, or they didn't get that and they, still, introduced a "proper" career mode.
That's the thing though, we aren't talking any of that. You implied that it's lack of popularity is why it's not there. Yet, what is actually happening seems to be going against what you're saying. They removed it, only to add it back in, in an extremely lack luster race? They removed it, only to keep rain tires in at launch? Are you seeing how that doesn't really make sense?
There was two words there to better cover a broader range in order to hopefully cover one side of your spectrum, that you seemingly chose to ignore. You didn't say you don't want it, you're absolutely correct about that, so in that instance, than "you don't need" it better fits you're opinion, because you're very much implying that with everything that was said. You listed plenty of opinions on why it's unnecessary. You went on to explain what you prefer, but what is being asked is for it to be improved upon from the get go.
Currently, you don't need it. I feel that is not reason enough to exclude it, but more rather improve upon it, like you followed up in the sentences after. Either way, like I said that you seemed to ignore, just add an option in and that should settle a good chunk of issues for most. I read your post, it just seemed to go back and forth.
It depends really, not all kits are going to being race inspired. I would love some purely cosmetic changes to make each car feel more individual than the rest. I'm not much on liveries, so this would satisfy my needs at least, and plenty others as well, as the livery editor only goes so far. Then you can have the obvious ones like you mention, where they actually affect down force. Things like splitters, canards, spoilers, and the like. Make it affect your PP, as well this time around. Same goes for the tires, that's something that sorely needs some updating in that regard.
Again, though. You painted it as being unpopular, but the fact is, unless you left each car absolutely stock and did literally nothing to it ever, than it was going to be used by the vast, vast majority of players rather than not. The thing is though, this iteration is a complete remake of the series practically. They through out a lot of things and rebuilt it in a different direction than what has ever came before this. That, I'm betting, is why certain things got removed, rather than you thinking it did because of popularity.
I would prefer if they made more segments for offline use, rather than the other way around. An option would work fine though. I would definitely enjoy running through a series with a friend/'s against Ai. I can't recall if you can do that with Forza's career segment, but I definitely know you can set that up in a lobby if you prefer. I do think it would be cool to have the career race selections in the lobby options for either game, though.
Quite the opposite, really. This is probably the most amount of full staff that they've had, probably ever? They've only opened more branches since GT6. What they actually do, we don't know, but we definitely know they've expanded at least.
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- J91patriz
This will be unpopular, but here's my thought:
Real GTs were much better. I miss the old 550p and road car lobbies. Oh and for chill out there were the random races with assigned crappy cars and crappy tyres, boy they were fun.
Nowadays is just the desert. I turn on the game just to see there's no decent road car lobby and I'm off again.
Still no weather implementation in the game...
Finally the main unpopular issue:
I don't particularly like racing cars. They are actually a waste of my hdd'space together with blue moon and other ovals.
Gr cars are for people who just like to have massive grip and throw the car around. They are super boring and you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference among them. Just hit the gas and they will grip, as they should given their racing nature but it is just so boring.
In fact it is similar to racing with low powered road cars i.e. difficult to make the difference since it is easy to exploit their potential for many (Gr 1 only exception maybe). Maybe that's why so many like them... Just easy to drive around...
I want a road car focused GT as it has aways been!
And I forgot: add the latest versions of cars first not simply using what was present in the old games and finally invest in the production team, ps5 is almost out and we still don't have a finished product!
Real GTs were much better. I miss the old 550p and road car lobbies. Oh and for chill out there were the random races with assigned crappy cars and crappy tyres, boy they were fun.
Nowadays is just the desert. I turn on the game just to see there's no decent road car lobby and I'm off again.
Still no weather implementation in the game...
Finally the main unpopular issue:
I don't particularly like racing cars. They are actually a waste of my hdd'space together with blue moon and other ovals.
Gr cars are for people who just like to have massive grip and throw the car around. They are super boring and you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference among them. Just hit the gas and they will grip, as they should given their racing nature but it is just so boring.
In fact it is similar to racing with low powered road cars i.e. difficult to make the difference since it is easy to exploit their potential for many (Gr 1 only exception maybe). Maybe that's why so many like them... Just easy to drive around...
I want a road car focused GT as it has aways been!
And I forgot: add the latest versions of cars first not simply using what was present in the old games and finally invest in the production team, ps5 is almost out and we still don't have a finished product!
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- Christopher12284
- Christopher0184
Pickup trucks, crossovers and SUVs have no place in the Gran Turismo series.
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- GBalao888
- GBalao888
Well but the Ford F-150 SVT Raptor is there, and back in GT4 there were quite a number of these kinds of cars.
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