Gran Turismo World Series 2024 Thread

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My low end prediction was for a 7 round season. Somehow they've not met my spectacularly low bar.
Anyone remember when the  Exhibition seasons in GTSport had 10 rounds?

Not fussed about the changes to the live events and a little surprised (but also not surprised) at the elites outrage.
 
So 6 rounds in each? And only 3 of the best results tallied?

I don’t fully understand the format as I have only began to dabble with GTWS in the last few months… but basically what I’m asking is - these 6 races basically determine ultimately who is going to be at the final? Seems a little short no? Essentially someone could show up for 3 races and qualify for the Regional finals? 3 hours of racing does not seem like it worthy of that result to be honest

I know it’s to make it friendly to everyone that can’t make every race, but to me the stakes should be a lot higher for a world champion… Atleast make it 4 or 5 results to pick from
 
One thing I think we can definitely rule out - the theory of "Sony want PD to stop throwing money at live events as part of their profit margin drive" is definitely not correct.

Adding more events is the most expensive change they could do - there's the rent at every location, they have to fly all the staff and equipment out to each city and so on. If they were tightening their belts, they'd be a lot better off doing one bigger event than several smaller ones.
 
Nakano219
One thing I think we can definitely rule out - the theory of "Sony want PD to stop throwing money at live events as part of their profit margin drive" is definitely not correct.

Adding more events is the most expensive change they could do - there's the rent at every location, they have to fly all the staff and equipment out to each city and so on. If they were tightening their belts, they'd be a lot better off doing one bigger event than several smaller ones.
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That's if you don't assume that the original plan was five events for 36 competitors in each of the two series (potential maximum of 72, but likely to be low-60s). Cutting out one entire event, plus another 300 flights and 800 hotel room nights/meals (for 40 fewer drivers at each WSR plus 30 fewer at the WSF) would very much look like a belt-tightening by comparison.

Might be the only way to get it past the bean counters who also recently made some of our GTWS PR contacts redundant.
 
Have I missed something here with all the world top driver? So I seen today the top players said “oh GTWS is dead” “no more this and that” “I won’t be returning” etc… but from what I can see, I don’t think anything has really changed?

Nations has gone back to it original format, 1 driver per country. I guess for some Nations that have multiple fast drivers this could be seen as a negative as only 1 driver can now attend, but I think reverting back to this format is better.

Manufacturers, nothing has really changed has it? 9 manufacturers plus the 3 sponsored manufacturers, so still 12 manufacturers (would like to see this increased 16). The only difference is the live qualifiers events will be just a single driver rather then all 3 travelling. Then the final will have all 3 drivers present.

Im not sure what all the fuse is about?

As for the 6 online round that is pretty poor, but the GTWS guys only do around 4 events anyway and stop once they get enough points. For us non GTWS drivers I do admit 6 rounds is poor. 10 minimum for me
 
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Moose78
For the record, here are links to some of the official material about this season:
  1. Gran Turismo World Series 2024 Overview
  2. The Gran Turismo World Series 2024 Begins on April 17!
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Odd that the Manufacturers schedule in the first link skips a Saturday and does Monday-Wednesday in the middle of it. The pattern should have been May 15, May 18, May 22 (Wed - Sat - Wed), but instead it's May 15, May 20, May 22 (Wed - Mon - Wed).

I'm not complaining, I couldn't have done that particular Saturday anyway but still odd.
 
Famine
That's if you don't assume that the original plan was five events for 36 competitors in each of the two series (potential maximum of 72, but likely to be low-60s). Cutting out one entire event, plus another 300 flights and 800 hotel room nights/meals (for 40 fewer drivers at each WSR plus 30 fewer at the WSF) would very much look like a belt-tightening by comparison.

Might be the only way to get it past the bean counters who also recently made some of our GTWS PR contacts redundant.
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Are those numbers accounting for non-overlapping GR GT Cup finalists (including the Southeast Asian and Middle Eastern regional winners)?
 
Roggers
Have I missed something here with all the world top driver? So I seen today the top players said “oh GTWS is dead” “no more this and that” “I won’t be returning” etc… but from what I can see, I don’t think anything has really changed?

Nations has gone back to it original format, 1 driver per country. I guess for some Nations that have multiple fast drivers this could be seen as a negative as only 1 driver can now attend, but I think reverting back to this format is better.

Manufacturers, nothing has really changed has it? 9 manufacturers plus the 3 sponsored manufacturers, so still 12 manufacturers (would like to see this increased 16). The only difference is the live qualifiers events will be just a single driver rather then all 3 travelling. Then the final will have all 3 drivers present.

Im not sure what all the fuse is about?

As for the 6 online round that is pretty poor, but the GTWS guys only do around 4 events anyway and stop once they get enough points. For us non GTWS drivers I do admit 6 rounds is poor. 10 minimum for me
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Admittedly I wasn’t really a fan of the team format. I understand why they did it, and that it creates more of a collective answer as to who the overall best nation is but when you have the grand final race on Spa and a guy like Gallo only does 20% of the race on different tires in a totally different strategy to the other top drivers it really takes away from the overall spectacle

I know it means a lot of good drivers will potentially miss out on places but it’s a world championship for a reason, the stakes should be high and it should include the very best of the best drivers. No offence to some of the teams but like some of the nations last year featured some drivers who are very good but they weren’t the best, and they were attending at the expense of some of the best drivers in the UK, Germany, Australia, Argentina etc..
 
guitargeek
Odd that the Manufacturers schedule in the first link skips a Saturday and does Monday-Wednesday in the middle of it. The pattern should have been May 15, May 18, May 22 (Wed - Sat - Wed), but instead it's May 15, May 20, May 22 (Wed - Mon - Wed).

I'm not complaining, I couldn't have done that particular Saturday anyway but still odd.
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Interesting. I wonder if it's a typo; they've been known to do that sometimes.
Roggers
Have I missed something here with all the world top driver? So I seen today the top players said “oh GTWS is dead” “no more this and that” “I won’t be returning” etc… but from what I can see, I don’t think anything has really changed?

Nations has gone back to it original format, 1 driver per country. I guess for some Nations that have multiple fast drivers this could be seen as a negative as only 1 driver can now attend, but I think reverting back to this format is better.

Manufacturers, nothing has really changed has it? 9 manufacturers plus the 3 sponsored manufacturers, so still 12 manufacturers (would like to see this increased 16). The only difference is the live qualifiers events will be just a single driver rather then all 3 travelling. Then the final will have all 3 drivers present.

Im not sure what all the fuse is about?

As for the 6 online round that is pretty poor, but the GTWS guys only do around 4 events anyway and stop once they get enough points. For us non GTWS drivers I do admit 6 rounds is poor. 10 minimum for me
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I think it's just less people can qualify (only five from all of Europe I believe). So the super-cyborg-king-aliens who are trying to qualify may not be able to because there are less slots to fill. The odds of investing that much time to be the best 0.01% of players only come away completely empty handed just increased; many are probably thinking "to h*ll with this." More may come out in a few days but that's what I gather.

For us shlubs, doesn't appear anything has changed.
 
Finch2090
Admittedly I wasn’t really a fan of the team format. I understand why they did it, and that it creates more of a collective answer as to who the overall best nation is but when you have the grand final race on Spa and a guy like Gallo only does 20% of the race on different tires in a totally different strategy to the other top drivers it really takes away from the overall spectacle
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Agree on that. The team format wasn’t a bad idea at all. But I did take away the battles on track between drivers. It did create a bit of an unbalanced too in the depth of teams. Some teams had 3 very strong fast driver and some not so.


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Just remember that the Live Final event the other year in Monaco, the quarter and semi finals of Nations, were all held on the same day so you had groups of drivers. Looks like now 12 now only qualify from the online events. Can see why some drivers are now annoyed.

@Talon16 Just seen your post. Yeah I totally forgot that the format prior had more contestants.
 
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6 rounds for each is too short. Would be cool however, if the “World Series” rounds in Canada, Prague, Tokyo and (Aubu Dabi) also dovetailed as eligible rounds for the other 99.9% of us that have no aspirations of trying to qualify, giving us a 10 round season.

Regardless, I’m just excited that I should be healed up enough to press a gas pedal come Manufacture season in May, and this will most likely be my first and last time I’ll be able to complete an entire season on one account!!

Hopefully the combos are good
 
What this game needs is special events not tied to gtws. The only reason we want more gtws online events is because those races go beyond what we have in the daily races.

Most of us are not trying to qualify and couldn't care less. Sure the league aspect of if is nice, but that can be achieved with other league events not tied to the gtws.
 
guitargeek
Odd that the Manufacturers schedule in the first link skips a Saturday and does Monday-Wednesday in the middle of it. The pattern should have been May 15, May 18, May 22 (Wed - Sat - Wed), but instead it's May 15, May 20, May 22 (Wed - Mon - Wed).

I'm not complaining, I couldn't have done that particular Saturday anyway but still odd.
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That's a mistake, it should be 18th like the pattern suggests
 
Famine
That's if you don't assume that the original plan was five events for 36 competitors in each of the two series (potential maximum of 72, but likely to be low-60s). Cutting out one entire event, plus another 300 flights and 800 hotel room nights/meals (for 40 fewer drivers at each WSR plus 30 fewer at the WSF) would very much look like a belt-tightening by comparison.

Might be the only way to get it past the bean counters who also recently made some of our GTWS PR contacts redundant.
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I have to wonder if that's the reason for the somewhat outsized negative reaction we've been seeing. A plan will always look worse if something better was promised and then yanked away.

The bizarrely short seasons are definitely confusing, though. What was ever wrong with having a few rounds between each live event? Why does one single season need to decide everything?
 
Reposted from the other thread for reference:
tankuroded
For what's it worth, I simulated which Nations Cup drivers from previous seasons would go to the live events using 2024 rules:

Using 2023/2024 Exhibition Season 3 results:
Asia: 黒猫 (takuma_202), Ryun (Ryun_Hy_)
Oceania: A. Lee
EMEA: OCT el de TDG (Twitch_Josete16), E.Cartman (Szmokiki420), Antonio Santos (ERM_AntonioSK), V. Gallo, P. Urra
North America: R. Heck, C. Roach
Central/South Americas: M. Estevez, NySoRi

Using 2023 Nations Cup results:
Asia: R. Kobayashi, T. Sasaki
Oceania: M. McEwen
EMEA: J. Serrano, K. Drumont, C. Lopez, P. Urra, V. Gallo
North America: C. Roach, K. Pounder
Central/South Americas: A. Carrazza, L. Bonelli

Note that, by using 2023 Nations Cup results, all entrants consisted of drivers from the same region outside EMEA, and how Spain dominated EMEA apart from Drumont and Gallo.
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Roggers
Have I missed something here with all the world top driver? So I seen today the top players said “oh GTWS is dead” “no more this and that” “I won’t be returning” etc… but from what I can see, I don’t think anything has really changed?

Nations has gone back to it original format, 1 driver per country. I guess for some Nations that have multiple fast drivers this could be seen as a negative as only 1 driver can now attend, but I think reverting back to this format is better.

Manufacturers, nothing has really changed has it? 9 manufacturers plus the 3 sponsored manufacturers, so still 12 manufacturers (would like to see this increased 16). The only difference is the live qualifiers events will be just a single driver rather then all 3 travelling. Then the final will have all 3 drivers present.

Im not sure what all the fuse is about?

As for the 6 online round that is pretty poor, but the GTWS guys only do around 4 events anyway and stop once they get enough points. For us non GTWS drivers I do admit 6 rounds is poor. 10 minimum for me
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Was going to say the same thing. The only thing that has changed is the mediocre amount of rounds.
 
For my part, I'm not too bothered by the length of the 6-round season. It is more than the last few exhibition seasons, anyway, and depending on how things go with my Manu Cup choice, I may not want to be locked into my manufacturer any longer than that.

I just hope we don't have to wait until September for the following exhibition season to begin. That would be really disappointing... but maybe not surprising, given how previous seasons have gone.
 
Since GT7's release Polyphony has really gone out of their way to format the GTWS to cater to their live event vision, leaving the rest of us with a dozen or so championship races over the entire year which is far too few in my opinion. As @Bojador stated, it's time for PD to set up a non-GTWS championship that fills the gap between the six-race GTWS season and the likely four-race exhibition season at the end of 2024. We are a far cry from the GTS tournaments which had multiple official ten-round seasons as well as ten-round exhibition seasons each year.

I raced in lots of Dailies in GTS until I got the platinum trophy, after which I dedicated myself exclusively to the FIA events. I have not done a single Daily in GT7. I want my stats and my DR to reflect my performance in the championship seasons, which now unfortunately are few and far between. I don't have time to spend eight hours a week looking for the perfect qualy lap, nor the desire to participate in races that don't mean anything except for my stat page.

I love the organized championships. With PD reducing the number of official races per year to literal peanuts, I really hope they have the sense to toss a ten- or twelve-round non-GTWS tournament during the downtime. Something tells me that's wishful thinking, but I really hope something like that happens since GTWS and online time trials are pretty much the only thing I do with this game.

I am really disappointed right now thinking about the whole TWO AND A HALF WEEKS of racing coming up, and then crickets for at least four months until September. What a bummer.
 
Not that PD really is going to lose anything tangible - being that 95% of the player base doesn’t even play sport mode. But besides these grievance generation cry babies whining about not being able to qualifying for a live expense-paid tournament, PD runs the bigger risk of losing dudes like me to Iracing or ACC. I mean, this game really could have it all. After a quick 30 minute tire-testing session this morning, I literally jumped into every Civic I had, and hot-lapped around the Nurburgring for 90 minutes

^ this is the heart and soul of Gran Turismo IMHO. But they could have it both ways by catering to the casual, and to the competitive types. I mean, there cooouuuuuld be potential down the road for bigger “live events” if PD ever got this driver swap thing going. Then you could have drivers at a live event, and teammates competing remotely…. but you know, whatever 🙄



Honestly I’ll be curious to see if they have something up their sleeve come September. The rumored PS5 pro should be close to hitting the shelves by then. And theoretically, that machine should be capable of fulfilling Polyphony’s vision, as long they don’t get in their own way
 
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This is purely just hope but maybe the GTWS schedule is shorter this year because there will be races to qualify for the Olympics (hopefully during the actual games). To me that would make up for the shorter World Series season and then some.
 
Ignoring the live event and qualification discussion for now.

I enjoyed these official championships much more when there were more races in a season and more official seasons in a year. It is more enjoyable racing against drivers who put in full effort because there are prizes on the line.

Now, the official seasons only run for a bit over 2 weeks each and, as was the case last year, some top drivers can (and will) turn up for only 3 races (i.e. one week) to score enough points and that's it for an entire year.

I'm hoping there are a few more interesting events this year than there have been in the past few years.
tankuroded
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Exhibition seasons are not really representative... Half of the GTWS drivers either don't compete in them, or don't compete as hard as they otherwise would in an official season, because there is nothing to win apart from Driver Rating (if they really need it) and some internet points.

As a result of there being less interest and less competition, exhibition seasons aren't really that rewarding in my opinion, which is a bit of an issue now that they run for 9-10 months a year, where in years past it used to be half of that.
 
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The official seasons should be longer than 6 rounds. I say 10 minimum.

As for having something for those of us who will not be making the finals, that is what the exhibition seasons are for although they need to be longer too. I miss the GT Sport days of 8-10 round seasons with a week or two between one ending and the next starting.
 
6 Manu races is really really poor. Was hoping to give the official season a go again through the summer but it’s literally 2.5 weeks long and then nothing for the rest of the year!

Was it GT7 or Sport where they did the two 10 race seasons and you were locked into the same manufacturer for both? That went on for months. Was brilliant. I really miss those Sport FIA days :guilty:
 
xxPinkyKissxx
6 Manu races is really really poor. Was hoping to give the official season a go again through the summer but it’s literally 2.5 weeks long and then nothing for the rest of the year!

Was it GT7 or Sport where they did the two 10 race seasons and you were locked into the same manufacturer for both? That went on for months. Was brilliant. I really miss those Sport FIA days :guilty:
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GT Sport.....good times.
 
xxPinkyKissxx
6 Manu races is really really poor. Was hoping to give the official season a go again through the summer but it’s literally 2.5 weeks long and then nothing for the rest of the year!

Was it GT7 or Sport where they did the two 10 race seasons and you were locked into the same manufacturer for both? That went on for months. Was brilliant. I really miss those Sport FIA days :guilty:
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The 2021 Season in GTSport was exactly that. 2 seasons of 10 races each taking around 2 months per season.

I really miss that. It seems to be a thing of the past though with seasons getting shorter and shorter. They may as well just do a 3 race "season" where all races count at this point.
 
A consequence of the shorter season that I just thought of that could potentially cause some controversy:

I'm pretty sure there are more than 16 drivers in EMEA that have maximum DR, which means the top lobbies should all give the same scores in each race. Rounds all giving the same points + not many rounds to differentiate drivers = a high potential to people to have the same results and thus equal scores. If there's a tie for 5th in EMEA... well, you get the picture.
 
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