Gran Turismo World Series 2024 Thread

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I made it home to do the second GT1 slot (8PM EST). I didn't have any time to practice, so I jumped in the AMG, since that was the meta last time around. There 166 points up for grabs. I qualified Q12.

The race started well. I managed to work my way up to the lead pack of seven cars for most of the race. Then on the first corner of the third lap, I got crunched in the crowd, picking up some damage, and losing the slip stream. Managed to bring home a P8 finish, though. Good enough. Won't be trying that nonsense again.
You did pretty good. It was cool to be on the same race, but I did not even noticed you fly by me when I went front Q3 to P14 on the first lap. It was a disaster, I went my own route from the front pack but nobody followed me to push.

I tried the 10pm slot, Q4, P13. I got a unrecoverable 3 sec penality barely scratching a a car while avoiding mayhem ahead on the first lap.
 
You did pretty good. It was cool to be on the same race, but I did not even noticed you fly by me when I went front Q3 to P14 on the first lap. It was a disaster, I went my own route from the front pack but nobody followed me to push.
Same here. I was looking for you in the lead pack when I caught up to them, but you were nowhere to be found. I was hoping we might work together to break out from the crowd, but I guess it wasn't meant to be.
 
Except... the Bugatti won't do 17 laps (GT2/3 race length) without some serious fuel saving, the Porsche 919 on the other hand can be driven Harry Flatters for the entire race and still have ~1 lap of juice in the tank at the end, and is quicker in my tests than the Bugatti driven to save fuel, or with a pit stop to splash and dash. The Mazda VGT is also quicker, although that does need a little bit of fuel saving . I've been able to do some tests this week as no need to practice for SSRX...
It'll probably be a much easier choice in GT1, where nothing can make it on fuel. Though if you're in a Bugatti and get stuck behind literally anything else, you'll probably be in for a frustrating race as everything runs away from you down the straights while holding you up in corners.

Also, GT1 gets light damage for this round too!
 
It'll probably be a much easier choice in GT1, where nothing can make it on fuel. Though if you're in a Bugatti and get stuck behind literally anything else, you'll probably be in for a frustrating race as everything runs away from you down the straights while holding you up in corners.

Also, GT1 gets light damage for this round too!
Yes, I was thinking that, for once GT1 has the more clear-cut strategy than the lower leagues. Last time I remember something similar happening was the Gr3 oval race at Daytona where the Aston was the easy choice in GT1 as it was the only car that could make it on fuel, where there was a genuine choice in GT2/3 (Supra vs NSX vs others).
 
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Slot 1: Qualified 6th, over 1s off of pole. At the start I got shuffled back, then got caught in the T1 carnage as a Huayra next to me got loose and spun across me and gave me front aero and suspension damage. I then burned most of my NOS to try to stay with the lead pack, only for the RX7 I was behind to also lose touch with the pack, so I bumped the RX7 for about a lap until we caught another solo AMG. The 3 of us somehow worked our way back into the Top 5 as others ahead kept crashing, but on the final lap, as we caught 4th place who'd just served a penalty, the car I was pushing moved to pass this slower car, but since I was pushing, I couldn't see the slower car until it was too late to avoid, and I ran into the back of him, giving myself damage once again, plus a 4s penalty. That dropped me from a potential 6th place (or better if others kept wrecking) down to 8th. The battle for the win only consisted of 2 cars by the time the final lap started due to all of the carnage. I then had to grind 3 Race A's to get my SR back to 99 from the bottom of S.

Slot 2: Qualified 6th again, and worked my way up to 2nd before T1, before bouncing off the wall at the exit and picking up damage because I once again couldn't see where I was going when pushing the car in front (yay bumper cam...). Fortunately 3rd place continued to push me, and I still had the slipstream of the leader, so I actually kept the spot. The pack stayed in a line until the final lap, when I once again hit the wall at the exit of the final corner before starting the last lap. No damage, but I dropped from 2nd to 9th (last car in the pack). When the inevitable mad dash to the finish started in the final corner, I took to the bottom of the track and squeezed between multiple cars as my car understeered back up the track due to the lack of banking on the bottom. That put me back into 2nd place, which is where I would finish for 266 points...and SR A.
Looks like I was in the same slot 1 as you, I didn't realize you were Blip. I had a bad start but managed to push someone else to the lead, then, like you said, literally everyone else crashed behind us. I just had to time my move and nitrous at the last turn and it was probably the easiest win I'll ever get in A+.

Not looking forward to next week, though. Monza is not one of my favorite tracks to begin with and I just can't get to grips with how the Bugatti drives, at all. I was thinking of pulling out the Toyota Hypercar as my secret weapon, but with the hybrid deployment cutting off at 150 like every other car now I'm sure it's not worth it. I guess I just actually have to practice...
 
Looks like I was in the same slot 1 as you, I didn't realize you were Blip. I had a bad start but managed to push someone else to the lead, then, like you said, literally everyone else crashed behind us. I just had to time my move and nitrous at the last turn and it was probably the easiest win I'll ever get in A+.

Not looking forward to next week, though. Monza is not one of my favorite tracks to begin with and I just can't get to grips with how the Bugatti drives, at all. I was thinking of pulling out the Toyota Hypercar as my secret weapon, but with the hybrid deployment cutting off at 150 like every other car now I'm sure it's not worth it. I guess I just actually have to practice...
I'm actually looking forward to Monza. I also don't like this track especially, but I really gel with high downforce cars, so the Bugatti is actually quite fun for me, especially with it being AWD. I just have to not make any stupid mistakes. Thankfully damage is light this week...
 
I think everyone’s just playing follow the leader and missing better options.
That's my feeling, too. When Daily Race C was Gr.1 at Monza a couple months ago, the Audi R18 was the meta. In Tidgney's video, the Genesis VGT was also pretty strong. The Bugatti didn't feature at all.

I've tried a few laps in both the Bugatti and Audi R18. I was significantly faster in the Audi -- though, as usual, still pretty slow. It's feeling like the best choice for me right now, but I'm going to try out a few others.

The biggest question in my mind is whether a no-stop strategy is viable. I've done some informal testing with a few different cars and it looks like it should be possible to make the fuel last 25 laps in most Gr.1 cars by short-shifting and adjusting the fuel map. It's a question of whether it will be any faster than running the car full out and stopping for fuel.
 
I tried the Audi and couldn't make speed with it like I could the Bugatti. The Bugatti just rotates so well, and unlike Watkins Glen there's really nowhere it can kill you due to the ridiculous lift-off oversteer it has. I wouldn't want to get stuck behind another car with it though...
 
Right, the results are in...

I tested 4 cars to determine race suitability: 2 Modern Le Mans Cars and 2 VGTs.

The candidates:

Audi R18 ‘16
Mazda VGT
Bugatti VGT
Porsche 919

For the tests, I did both qualifying and a race. For qualifying, I had a 5-lap warm-up to get used to each car then 3 flying laps in Free Practice (to best replicate what could be done on Saturday).

For the race, I set up a BoP Custom Race against the AI, to the GT2/3 race length. In order to best see how each car would do in a race situation, I set conditions as close to those seen in Free Practice as possible, fuel and tyre multipliers the same as in the race, and placed myself 16th on a 20-car grid – this would favour the cars that could get through traffic better, rather than simply being a 17-lap long time trial. This way, it would be similar to starting at the back of a GTWS grid with the added pressure of the possibility of being attacked from behind. The AI were set to “Professional”, and slipstream to “real”, with boost being “off”.

I would save fuel where necessary to ensure I completed the 17 laps without a stop. The only exception was the Bugatti, where due to its popularity I decided to see how it does over a 17-lap race in Fuel-save no-stop mode and driven flat out with a pit stop. (Fuel was dispensed at 10 liters/sec).

I’ll add notes as to the cars’ characteristics with each car’s result.

All fuel saving was done by short-shifting rather than fuel map, I prefer this as you can change “modes” literally on a gearchange-by-gearchange basis.

PLEASE NOTE: Upper-B driver, better drivers may have different results!

Audi R18 ‘16

QUALIFYING: 1:34.7
17 LAP RACE: 27m 37.4s
FASTEST RACE LAP: 1:35.8

This car needs short-shifting a bit – not much, change just before the end of the bar – and with it being a diesel there isn’t much speed difference by changing early. It is perfectly possible to drive flat-out for 2 or 3 laps at the start to maximise picking up places, then go into fuel saving mode and still be able to turn up the wick to pass a car now and then. I found this car very easy to place in the turns, this is particularly useful at the 2 tight chicanes, and although it’s not as quick down the straights as a Group C or the Mazda VGT, it’s about the same as the other Modern Le Mans Cars and certainly better than the Bugatti. It’s also nearly as good on the brakes as the Bugatti which may be useful come race day.

Getting through the field was relatively straightforward, it did take 2 or 3 laps to make a pass stick against the Mazda Group C car that I took the lead from, but apart from Group C or the Genesis Gran Racer VGT I could get past anything without too much trouble.

Porsche 919

QUALIFYING: 1:35.4
17 LAP RACE: 27m 45.7s
FASTEST RACE LAP: 1:35.9

No need to short-shift at all in this car – you can drive it like a rental for the entire 17 laps and it will still show just over a lap of fuel left at the chequered flag – with a bit of short shifting and some fuel map I can see this lasting 25 laps.

Not as easy to place in the corners than the Audi, and you do need to brake a little earlier, but may have the slight advantage on the straights. Of all the cars I tested for this comparison this one is, however, the most likely to get sideways exiting the T1 chicane with a heavy throttle – so if you are a bit of a throttle jammer then you may be best served elsewhere.

In traffic it’s similar to the Audi, except the longer braking distance make it less likely that you can make a move into the chicanes. A well-driven Group C car can hold you up for 2 or 3 laps, but nothing else should be too much of an issue.

Mazda VGT

QUALIFYING: 1:35.1
17 LAP RACE: 27m 52.1s
FASTEST RACE LAP: 1:36.3

A bit more fuel-saving needed in this car than the Audi – I ran the first 2 laps flat-out to make places, then started to change at the half-way point between the “gear for next corner” indicator and the end of the bar.

This car is quicker down the straights than the Modern Le Mans Cars and a lot quicker than the Bugatti – I had less trouble passing Group Cs on the straights here – but braking distances are longer and it is slightly more difficult to place on corner entry, plus Modern Le Mans Cars and Bugattis will definitely be faster than you in mid-corner and on corner exit. It is, however, very stable so may be a good choice if you are getting out of shape in other cars.

Bugatti VGT (No-stop, fuel saving)

QUALIFYING: 1:35.1
17 LAP RACE: 28m 02.1s
FASTEST RACE LAP: 1:37.5

The free-practice ranking star seems to lose its lustre if you, like me, are not a top-end driver – I guess that’s because getting speed out of it requires being absolutely on point through the corners and anything less will result in crucial loss of momentum. For me even in Quali trim I couldn’t do better in this than in a Modern Le Mans Car.

It’s not a good car to be in when in a race. The need to do some real short-shifting (I was changing up half-way across the “gear for next corner” indicator) from the very beginning of the race, coupled with the car’s low speed for most of each straight – it is at a similar speed to some others by the very end of the main straight but takes forever to get there - mean that it is a real chore to make up any places – where I could be in the lead by lap 11 or 12 in the other cars I took the lead on Lap 16 in this race, and that was only due to severe rubber-banding really.

On the plus side it really is good on the brakes into the chicanes and excellent through the faster corners. One word of warning though, you really can’t trail-brake in this – I was sideways more than once through the Parabolica in warm-up.

Bugatti VGT (1-stop, no fuel saving)

QUALIFYING: Same as above (1:35.1)
17 LAP RACE: 28m 10.9s
FASTEST RACE LAP: 1:36.4

As above for handling, however the points of note here are that the ability to use all the revs made very little difference to lap time – I still couldn’t go faster than my Modern Le Mans Car times, it also made only a small difference through traffic as other cars are still quicker on the straights, and perhaps the most important observation is that it is slower to 1-stop than to fuel-save by about 8 seconds. This was the only one of these test races I didn’t win – I stopped on lap 15, re-emerged in 5th and rubber-banded my way back up to 2nd where I lost on the line!

Other Observations:

I did try a few Group Cs. Mega straight line speed, but you’ll lose all that and more in the turns, particularly as these things are very tall-geared – they were built for a pre-chicanes Le Mans and the regs only allowed 5 forward gears so they had to be tall – so you will be out-accelerated very easily.

The Genesis Gran Racer VGT also has high top speed but I found it a pig to drive. It also munches through tyres, this is the only car where I even vaguely contemplated a pit stop for rubber. In the end I made so many mistakes in a trial run I took it no further.

I also tried the Hyundai 2025 VGT, but found it very understeery. The Peugeot 908 is like the Audi but not quite as easy to place in turns.

The popularity of the Bugatti on the top of the leader boards does mean there’ll be a few in each lobby on Saturday. Beware if you are in another car as the Bugatti’s superiority on the brakes may lead other drivers to try impossible sends, particularly in the early laps.

TLDR– Mediocre driver tries loads of cars for GT2/3 race, decides Modern Le Mans Cars are the way to go for him.
 
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The biggest question in my mind is whether a no-stop strategy is viable. I've done some informal testing with a few different cars and it looks like it should be possible to make the fuel last 25 laps in most Gr.1 cars by short-shifting and adjusting the fuel map. It's a question of whether it will be any faster than running the car full out and stopping for fuel.
It's looking like for me in the Audi R18 the answer is no. To make the fuel last the full 25 laps, I had to fuel save so aggressively -- FM at 4 for most of the race, and short-shifting between 25% and 50% of the rev bar -- that I was a full minute slower than a 1-stop strategy.

I'm not surprised. Without fuel saving, I was able to get 17 laps out of the car. Squeezing out another 8 laps by fuel saving was bound to slow me down.

I did try a few other cars prior to running my strategy test, including the Porsche 919 and Genesis VGT, but none of them were faster for me than the R18, so I'm going to stick with it and see how it goes.
 
I skipped the second round because I can't stand SSRX, but I remain curious about that last round which remains TBA. I imagine that we'll get an update this week, so that we'll be able to practice right after this third round at Monza. At any rate, I'll likely enter this next round.
 
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I skipped the second round because I can't stand SSRX, but I remain curious about that last round which remains TBA. I imagine that we'll get an update this week, so that we'll be able to practice right after this third round at Monza. At any rate, I'll likely enter this next round.
There was a series where PD actually made an announcement of the announcement of the Mystery Round - about a week or so beforehand they put it out there that the round would be revealed on the Thursday before a Saturday race. I think this was the one where it was Jimnys on ice.

For this one, I wouldn’t be surprised if an update is announced for Thurs 21 November which will contain content (probably a car, maybe conditions or new regulations or options, unlikely to be a track as haven't we already established that the Mystery Round will be at Spa?) necessary for the race, which will be announced when the servers come back online after the update.
 
I'm sorry that I haven't really been paying attention to this thread, but which Gr.1 cars do you think will be especially popular this Saturday? I'd imagine it'd be the Group C cars like the 787B and R92CP, considering that Monza's a relatively high-speed course.
 
I'm sorry that I haven't really been paying attention to this thread, but which Gr.1 cars do you think will be especially popular this Saturday? I'd imagine it'd be the Group C cars like the 787B and R92CP, considering that Monza's a relatively high-speed course.
Which league are you in? The answer may change as in GT2 and 3 a lot of cars can be driven harder than others if you don't want to stop for fuel, in GT1 everything will need to stop.

Well, the Bugatti will be popular as its the leaderboard star, but it is thirsty and lacks straight line speed. Group Cs are fast but slow to accelerate out of turns, they really excel at Le Mans. Without wishing to blow my own trumpet, you may wish to refer to post 12280 above :)
 
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