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Me, a Slophy driver:Not that I think you actually needed the confirmation, but yes, for GT2 and GT3
Gran Turismo World Series (Manufacturers Cup Exhibition Season: Feb 5 - Feb 15)
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Yes and no.
I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I prefer driving the Gr.4 category over Gr.3 -- especially after the BoP update. I like the variety of drivetrains. I like that the races are a bit slower so you can plan out your moves more carefully. The Gr.3 cars all feel the same to me -- all rear-wheel drive, with the only difference being how each car balances between top speed and cornering.
But I wouldn't want a Manu Cup that is only one category. IMO, the best part of the GT2/3 leagues is that it uses both categories. You can't just pick one of the three top cars. You are forced to consider both categories and find a manufacturer that works best for you.
As for tomorrow's race, I'm starting to feel like I might not get totally destroyed there. GT2 league. Driving the VW Scirocco.
I spent most of yesterday evening learning the track while simultaneously testing out tire wear. Towards the end of the session, I did a few laps in Free Practice and booked a time of 1:33.080, which is not too far off from what @MCL1974 and @GlockPants posted. I figure if I can keep up with those two, I'm in pretty good shape on pace. They will, no doubt, drop their times by some huge amount sometime today and I'll once again be filled with worry and dread. But for now, I'm feeling alright.
On strategy and tire wear, things are not too different from my tests in the forward direction. Starting on RMs, the longest I can reasonably stretch out the RSs is 13 laps. The sweet spot looks like it is 5RM-11RS. Starting on RSs, I can get them to last 12 laps. I'm guessing somewhere around 10RS-6RM is optimal, but I still have to run some more tests.
I'm planning to go with RMs first unless I qualify in the top 5.
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So... no. They're two different regulations.
A mandatory pit stop requires you to take a pass down the pit lane without necessarily taking tyres or fuel. This is kept separate from tyre requirement regulations which can effectively require a pit stop, but since you need to take new tyres at least once it's not the same thing as a mandatory pit stop which doesn't require a tyre change.
High fuel consumption regulations can also effectively require a pit stop, but this too isn't the same thing as a mandatory stop.
I do wish they'd stop labelling required/mandatory tyres as "required tyre type change" though, as it's so easy to be misled into thinking you need to change tyres for all grades rather than your starting grade being included.
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With a bit of a few cars that dont like braking while cornering (I do remember Mr. Gallo spinning out in his NSX Gr.3 on Suzuka Race Track T1 to support this statement 🙄), and a few cars that dont like applying throttle while cornering.
And a few that hate their tyres. No wonder the selection of cars seen wasnt all that big not too long ago.
If the races would require refueling and actual tyremanagement instead of just "pit once" it might make it a bit more interesting I think - though Im not in a position to make any huge points as I dont partake. Just from a spectators point of few doing Gr.3 Chilli races ...
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Perhaps we are a minority, but at this moment I also prefer driving in the Gr 4 races...
But for sure that I will not drop my times at this track, I'm currently several hundreds of kilometers away from my PS5 and not back till Monday and then work awaits. Not sure if I would decrease it with much though, did about 15 laps yesterday and did not feel that I could go much faster, perhaps only a few tenths.
But it is a really fun track to drive, especially the last sector, so a bit sad that I will miss this race.
So good luck to all of you driving tomorrow, I will try to read your race reports
By the way; off topic for this thread but would it not be awesome to have the below vehicle in the game. Was standing right next to this magnificient beast earlier today:
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What’s the optimal shift point for the gr4 m4? I remember it makes a big difference in the car but can’t find the reference that has been mentioned here before.
You can check the rpm graph in car settings.
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Is this the post you were looking for? https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...rn-beginning-february-28.419218/post-14168480
It says 6K.
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For what it's worth, when I was doing my fuel tests on the Gr.4 cars, I tried shifting the M4 at a bunch of different points:
- 100% of the rev bar
- 50% of the rev bar
- 0% of the rev bar
- 6000 RPM
- 5500 RPM
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That's also why I'm sitting out this Manufacturer's season. Nurburgring is the only track on the schedule that I even sort of like. And Hell will probably freeze over before they use Blue Moon Bay for anything sadly...That along with the constant selection of my least favourite tracks being picked! I won't be driving in this Manufacturing series again sadly. If they put Sardegna B and Blue Moon Bay in the Manufacturers calendar one day i'll be back!
Well done on your results when you have raced though!
You might want to check next week dailies 😉
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Amazing stuff! Well done!
Not sure I'll post anything else before the race, so best of luck everyone in your race. May you survive the hairpin on every lap!
I'll probably be lurking around the lobbies at Deep Forest REVERSE from around 7-9 PM EDT if anybody wants to meet up to race.
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Race 1 complete - probably won't have a chance to go again today.
Took the Air Canada Genesis G70 to Switzerland for a runabout in the DFR Reverse race this morning.
But no time for sightseeing. Qualifying was remarkably close. I'd set the fastest lap from the first round of 3 attempts at the pole with a 1.32.984.
However JP wasn't having any of it, and went slightly quicker on his 2nd run. I had a clear run at my 3rd attempt, CGB (slightly ahead of me on track) had cut a corner slightly so was due a 0.5 second penalty, he abandoned his qualifying and let me through nicely before the start of the 3rd lap, and I managed to sneak ahead and put that bad boy on pole! Just 0.2 off my free practice best.
The race was a tale of two halves. As mentioned a couple of days ago, this thing eats tyres. I stayed in the lead, drew the gap out to around 2 seconds by lap 4, but my tyres were already going, and Polenbomber, up into 2nd after the first corner on lap 1, was catching me quickly. By lap 7 he was all over me so I made the decision to pit for mediums at the end of the lap. Here's where the race went downhill, fast.
I went slightly wide on the last corner with almost zero front grip, and ended up cutting the pit entry line in my haste to make the pits! (in hindsight, I wish I'd just stayed out for one more lap as I was still in the lead).
Came out with a nice 3 second penalty to my name, my fault, I am stupid. Two laps later on lap 9, Polenbomber came in to box. He came out just 2.8s ahead of me on track (so I probably would have been close to 2 seconds ahead without the penalty, resulting time loss on the straight, and with the undercut.)
Lap 11, and JP Racer emerged from the pits also leapfrogging me due to that penalty I'd picked up. I got frustrated as he came out literally just a couple of meters ahead of me, I went wide at the first hairpin trying to maximise my exit to get a run at him, and picked up a half second penalty along with a loss of traction coming out of the turn. That was my chance of the win gone.
Lap 12, the race leader CGB Racing managed to keep the lead after their stop. Nothing much changed from then on, except I sort of drifted out of the race a bit with nothing really to fight for ahead or behind. Picked up another couple of lazy half second penalties for my troubles during this time as well.
Final result: 4th and 97 points. I'll take that. Adds to my 94 points from race 1.
I wish I'd bothered to practice pit entry before the race though, it's always my downfall on this game and I never learn.
Without that issue, I'm sure I would have finished 2nd, at worst 3rd because then I wouldn't have been in chase mode and made those little mistakes which led to further penalties when chasing.
Took the Air Canada Genesis G70 to Switzerland for a runabout in the DFR Reverse race this morning.
But no time for sightseeing. Qualifying was remarkably close. I'd set the fastest lap from the first round of 3 attempts at the pole with a 1.32.984.
However JP wasn't having any of it, and went slightly quicker on his 2nd run. I had a clear run at my 3rd attempt, CGB (slightly ahead of me on track) had cut a corner slightly so was due a 0.5 second penalty, he abandoned his qualifying and let me through nicely before the start of the 3rd lap, and I managed to sneak ahead and put that bad boy on pole! Just 0.2 off my free practice best.
The race was a tale of two halves. As mentioned a couple of days ago, this thing eats tyres. I stayed in the lead, drew the gap out to around 2 seconds by lap 4, but my tyres were already going, and Polenbomber, up into 2nd after the first corner on lap 1, was catching me quickly. By lap 7 he was all over me so I made the decision to pit for mediums at the end of the lap. Here's where the race went downhill, fast.
I went slightly wide on the last corner with almost zero front grip, and ended up cutting the pit entry line in my haste to make the pits! (in hindsight, I wish I'd just stayed out for one more lap as I was still in the lead).
Came out with a nice 3 second penalty to my name, my fault, I am stupid. Two laps later on lap 9, Polenbomber came in to box. He came out just 2.8s ahead of me on track (so I probably would have been close to 2 seconds ahead without the penalty, resulting time loss on the straight, and with the undercut.)
Lap 11, and JP Racer emerged from the pits also leapfrogging me due to that penalty I'd picked up. I got frustrated as he came out literally just a couple of meters ahead of me, I went wide at the first hairpin trying to maximise my exit to get a run at him, and picked up a half second penalty along with a loss of traction coming out of the turn. That was my chance of the win gone.
Lap 12, the race leader CGB Racing managed to keep the lead after their stop. Nothing much changed from then on, except I sort of drifted out of the race a bit with nothing really to fight for ahead or behind. Picked up another couple of lazy half second penalties for my troubles during this time as well.
Final result: 4th and 97 points. I'll take that. Adds to my 94 points from race 1.
I wish I'd bothered to practice pit entry before the race though, it's always my downfall on this game and I never learn.
Without that issue, I'm sure I would have finished 2nd, at worst 3rd because then I wouldn't have been in chase mode and made those little mistakes which led to further penalties when chasing.
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I think it really depends on the car. I've seen some people in other cars saying they can go 11/12 laps on the softs. I pitted on L7 for mediums and for the G70 that was perfect in terms of pure lap time. Probably could have got away with a lap later without it costing too much time, maybe a couple of tenths slower to go 50/50.
Could be worth starting on mediums unless you qualify top 3/4 - personally I usually go softs first to try and avoid the chaos on the first couple of laps if I can. The delta is roughly 0.7s per lap in pure pace (in clean air, same fuel load) if that helps.
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@Moose78 has done some testing. But the Softs should last beyond the half way point. I think they'll last anywhere between 11-13 laps according to their tests. YMMV depending on your car and driving habits.
I will probably try to push the Softs as long as possible if I start on them (13+ laps). If I'm starting P5 or lower, I'll start on the Medium tires and pit for Softs after Lap 3 or 4, probably.
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I think you caught their thinking. You can't please everyone so spreading it across 2 days a week gives everyone a chance to join in. I have a long day and a fair commute of 40 mins going home (which will increase soon) so I know how tired you can be. But I enjoy the races and make sure to get into the 6pm slot if I can. I don't know how some people can do the early slots with work...
At least we have the spread of slots unlike GT1 with only their 3. That's the real enemy which PD needs to vanquish.
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Definitely. I'm driving the Scirocco, which is FF, so is one of the worst in terms of tire wear. I can get to 12 or 13 laps on the RSs before one is completely warn. I start to notice an impact on lap times around laps 8 or 9. They will last a bit longer if you start on RMs because of the lower fuel weight at the end. I'm planning to do either 5RM-11RS or 10RS-6RM, depending on how I qualify.
I expect that 4WD cars will have similar wear to the FF ones. If you are driving a FR or MR, though, you should be able to get quite a bit more out of the soft tires than I am.
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I did a custom race and the softs lasted the entire race with the worst ones showing 20% left in my Mustang. Last night I did a lobby practice race, pitted at the end of lap 1, put on softs and finished the race with about the same amount of tire wear. My lap times didn't suffer much towards the end, at least no more than anybody else in the race.
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GT1 Slot 2 in Asia in the Alfa.
Qualy wasn’t great with a high 25. Started 8th on the grid.
First time through the hairpin and the R8 that started behind me went bowling. I stayed on the inside and missed the worst of it, but p5 hit me re-entering from the left and I sustained front left suspension damage. The R8 jumped all the way to p5, but carrying a 4 second penalty. I settled in p6.
Lap 2, the R8 serves its penalty and I’m now 2 seconds clear in p5.
7 more uneventful laps and I’m 6 seconds clear of p6 when I pit for softs. 3 seconds to repair my damage and I’m back out in p5, but my gap to p6 is only 3 seconds.
The 13 laps on softs are uneventful as I make ground on p4 and pull a 10 second gap to p6.
At the checkered flag I am p5, 2.5 secs behind p4.
200 points exactly and one and done.
The Alfa is a great car to drive and is proving very competitive so far.
Qualy wasn’t great with a high 25. Started 8th on the grid.
First time through the hairpin and the R8 that started behind me went bowling. I stayed on the inside and missed the worst of it, but p5 hit me re-entering from the left and I sustained front left suspension damage. The R8 jumped all the way to p5, but carrying a 4 second penalty. I settled in p6.
Lap 2, the R8 serves its penalty and I’m now 2 seconds clear in p5.
7 more uneventful laps and I’m 6 seconds clear of p6 when I pit for softs. 3 seconds to repair my damage and I’m back out in p5, but my gap to p6 is only 3 seconds.
The 13 laps on softs are uneventful as I make ground on p4 and pull a 10 second gap to p6.
At the checkered flag I am p5, 2.5 secs behind p4.
200 points exactly and one and done.
The Alfa is a great car to drive and is proving very competitive so far.
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I just noticed that CLK-LM is in the Legendary Car Dealership, in case anybody wants to pick one up for any future Gr.2 races in Nations Cup. 8,500,000 credits.
Also, I noticed something else regarding today's race. I'd done most of my testing before today with Afternoon-S01 weather settings, but going into Free Practice, it looks like it is closer to Evening, S11. When I ran some tests with those settings, I saw a slight improvement in tire wear -- finishing with 30% and 40% in the front tires instead of 15% and 35% under Afternoon-S01. It wasn't enough to shift my optimal strategy, but it might be worth keeping in mind if you've also been doing your tests in the default Afternoon-S01 weather.
Also, I noticed something else regarding today's race. I'd done most of my testing before today with Afternoon-S01 weather settings, but going into Free Practice, it looks like it is closer to Evening, S11. When I ran some tests with those settings, I saw a slight improvement in tire wear -- finishing with 30% and 40% in the front tires instead of 15% and 35% under Afternoon-S01. It wasn't enough to shift my optimal strategy, but it might be worth keeping in mind if you've also been doing your tests in the default Afternoon-S01 weather.
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Good to know, though I just did some slow testing with the default equal-conditions afternoon-S01 weather and the Corvette. If it weren't for the mandatory tire change, I'd be doing a no-stop on softs - my fast lap of 1:36.1 was on lap 15, and the drop-off at the end of the run was a bit less than a second, while the drop to mediums was right around that.
Because I want some tire left at the end of the race, I'll probably do a 4-RM/14-RS run from the usual back of the field.
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