Gran Turismo World Series (Manufacturers Cup Exhibition Season: Feb 5 - Feb 15)

[TBR 427]

Did practice for the Bathurst race, going to be a bit of a pain in the AMG '20 since it still doesn't seem that great down the straights, and the first and last corners are either dangerous in 2nd or slow in 3rd gear and the curbs are deadly.

One thing it can do is save fuel reasonably well. No issues making the 10-lap stint, might be able to stretch an 11 if I need to pit a little early one stint due to damage. -5 (or whatever is full front) brake balance keeps everything nice and even.

I did try the Ferrari Master Plan, and simulate a 1-stop. FM3, short-shifting and lift-and-coasting and you might make it, just, to 14 laps per tank. However, you never really stand a chance of being competitive. The pit loss time is ~55s, so approx 2s/lap is the margin, and it's closer to 3s / lap slower to do the fuel-saving.

I can only hope having to put a few seconds less fuel in the car at the stops is enough to help during the race since everyone will be doing a 2-stop.

PS: PD - you cannot actually cut the dipper, despite what the penalty system thinks! You either get it perfect or hit the wall on the inside. There is no corner cutting to be had! Please Fix!

 

[ElectricNaz]

Example (the last one, obviously):
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Not that it matters at all, but I'm curious how these drivers are showing up with zero points. Are they quitting out of races or do they just not participate in the first place?

When you click "enter" (the championship) at any point from the main screen, you are at that point assigned a league and division. Regardless of whether you then go in and enter the actual races

 

[OJBrit]

Just finished my first FP session at Bathurst. Always a humbling experience. Currently 5 seconds off P1. 😮‍💨

Welcome to my world.

If last season's race at Bathurst taught me anything, it is that you can get a decent result at this track even if you don't have the greatest pace. The track is so unforgiving. Tap a wall on the way up or down the hill and you can easily lose a full second on your lap -- even without the wall collision penalties.

It's a track where you do not give up. In the recent daily there I span my 911 at the Dipper on lap 1. DFL and an Austin Powers style turnaround due to the tightness of the track. Still ended up P5 at the end of the race.

Moose78
Is that true? Does anybody here know? I see a fair number of drivers in the standings who have zero points for all the rounds so far.

Example (the last one, obviously):
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Do you actually have to participate? It looks to me like you might show up in the standings after you have signed and an event has completed.

Not that it matters at all, but I'm curious how these drivers are showing up with zero points. Are they quitting out of races or do they just not participate in the first place?

Yes you have to participate. Any zero point scores will be DNFers. Or as Frederic might show is a round they didn't do.

 

[Pfei]

Do you actually have to participate? It looks to me like you might show up in the standings after you have signed and an event has completed.

Unless they have changed it recently, you have to participate. That guy might have rage-quit one race and not done the other one. I have signed before and not raced and I wasn't in the standings nor got credits at end of season.

 

[GlockPants]

If last season's race at Bathurst taught me anything, it is that you can get a decent result at this track even if you don't have the greatest pace. The track is so unforgiving. Tap a wall on the way up or down the hill and you can easily lose a full second on your lap -- even without the wall collision penalties.

So true. I had to run that race twice. First time I was Q1 and lost it at The Dipper on Lap 1 but I can't remember where I finished. The second race was better, but I may have finished P2? Pit strategy can be important if you're planning to take new tires, I've gone for the overcut lately and that's seemed to work quite well in my races.

 

[icycls]

I'll echo the statements about bathurst - run it as clean as you can, regardless of pace and you always have a chance. Also, if you are not familiar, practice that pit entry - it is ugly and awkward and will bite you if you haven't seen it.

 

[Talon16]

I'll echo the statements about bathurst - run it as clean as you can, regardless of pace and you always have a chance. Also, if you are not familiar, practice that pit entry - it is ugly and awkward and will bite you if you haven't seen it.

Pit entry is worse than the downhill section.

 

[GTWolverine]

Against my better judgement, I decided to race at Deep Forest because I figured I needed practice with the new BoP. I should've just followed my first mind and sat out until the final round, because I had no pace and did nothing but bleed DR during my 2 attempts. On the bright side, the Corvette is quick...if you're good enough to drive it, which I apparently am not now that it loves to spin out if you breathe on the throttle below 4th gear...

 

[SupaflyIRL]

Pit entry is worse than the downhill section.

Kind of how there are mini go kart versions of real tracks, the pit entry feels like a mini version of the downhill, complete with fatal entry speed baiting.

As an aside I’m not thrilled on the hards only setting or the “no wall penalty” parts. I feel like I collected a lot of positions on those last time.

 

[guitargeek]

Did practice for the Bathurst race, going to be a bit of a pain in the AMG '20 since it still doesn't seem that great down the straights, and the first and last corners are either dangerous in 2nd or slow in 3rd gear and the curbs are deadly.

One thing it can do is save fuel reasonably well. No issues making the 10-lap stint, might be able to stretch an 11 if I need to pit a little early one stint due to damage. -5 (or whatever is full front) brake balance keeps everything nice and even.

I did try the Ferrari Master Plan, and simulate a 1-stop. FM3, short-shifting and lift-and-coasting and you might make it, just, to 14 laps per tank. However, you never really stand a chance of being competitive. The pit loss time is ~55s, so approx 2s/lap is the margin, and it's closer to 3s / lap slower to do the fuel-saving.

I can only hope having to put a few seconds less fuel in the car at the stops is enough to help during the race since everyone will be doing a 2-stop.

PS: PD - you cannot actually cut the dipper, despite what the penalty system thinks! You either get it perfect or hit the wall on the inside. There is no corner cutting to be had! Please Fix!

Where were you shifting to get 11 laps in the AMG? And how much pace were you losing? I'm finding light short shifting can get me 9, and "half shifting" is getting me to 10, losing about a second per lap.

 

[Interemptor]

As an aside I’m not thrilled on the hards only setting or the “no wall penalty” parts. I feel like I collected a lot of positions on those last time.

Same. In the last manu cup I got from somewhere in the middle to P2 because some drivers in front collected wall penalties. No luck for me this time 😅

 

[Dep Fishtail]

After getting caught up in heavy damage too many times I’ve joined the people saying it needs to go. Killed another one for me with two incidents in the first two laps. I still had it better than the 911 there with me on lap one because I got rear damage because hit brakes to not hit the spinning car in front of me but he hit the spinning car and got a 5 second penalty and full front damage.



Lap two once again just before the tunnel, evasive actions for another wayward 911 so as I approached the tunnel I had a train of 3 cars trying to capitalize on me slowing but one of them spins on the green and cuts across me to finish me with front damage in only the second lap 🤬

It definitely looked like amateur hour in this GT1 first slot and I couldn’t stomach trying it again and expecting something different.

Qualified p9 and worked hard to gain a p8 finish.

Lap 1 mayhem


Same location lap 2

 

[afc5150]

Casual player who has a life and can't make any of the very limited slots in GT1 and just wants to play the game and have some fun while conversing with the community here.

You don't like reading my posts there's an ignore feature I'd suggest you use; it'll save you some heartache and bellyaching.

I like reading your posts. I don't like a player 2 tiers above me in my lobbies.

How about you ignore me, like you ignore the rules.

Don't be a jerk, in other words.

 

[TBR 427]

Where were you shifting to get 11 laps in the AMG? And how much pace were you losing? I'm finding light short shifting can get me 9, and "half shifting" is getting me to 10, losing about a second per lap.

Just after half-bar. Shifting just before half gets me to 11. short-shifting into (just before) t1, t2, t3, as well as over the mountain gets you an easy 12.

Has anyone done tests on not taking tires in the last stop? ie doing 2 x 9-lap stints on one set of Hards? Gut feeling is telling me that the fresh rubber would make up the few seconds easily enough but this is GT7, Hamilton was probably consulted on worn-out tire performance.

 

[SupaflyIRL]

Hamilton was probably consulted on worn-out tire performance.

"bono im lying about my tires"

 

[Jump_Ace]

Two races today. Both actually pretty good, but my first result wasn't worth many points so I hopped in the next race to see if there were any more points up for grabs.

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Spoiler: Race 1

GT2 - B Lobby worth 136 points
Door #2

Shout out to @Jump_Ace , I think you were here.

Qualifying didn't go great. I just didn't set a good time. A 1:32.879 put me starting P6. So starting the race, I knew my strategy would be 4 RM/RS to the end.

Mostly an uneventful race, though I did manage to gain 2 places before pitting for my Soft stint. I'd exit and eventually catch up to the lead group after chipping away at positions as drivers pit.

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@Jump_Ace would maintain the lead until pitting for Medium tires before the final lap.

The same lap earlier I made the only move I felt I could get cleanly against the Ferrari in P2.

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I overshoot the apex exiting the Tunnel Straight and lose P2 right away. I'd finish P2 after everyone had pit.

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Clean Race and Fastest Lap (1:32.585). The position rewarded me 130 points, but it didn't feel like enough. My hope was that I'd get into a lobby with some A drivers next.

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Spoiler: Race 2

GT2 - B Lobby (I guess that didn't work out) worth 138 points (sightly better)
Door #1

I'd have to finish P2 or higher for a better result over the previous race.

Qualifying went much better this round. I managed a 1:32.138 which placed me on Pole, half a second ahead of Q2. So, good start for now.

The race started but I got a terrible launch. For some reason, this race when lights went out I was in 1st gear (vs 2nd gear in the previous race). The Lambo in P2 easily gets ahead before the hairpin. But they would go wide exiting the first short tunnel in the middle twisty part. I take the lead back by the second short tunnel.

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The Lambo went for a move on the final turn but wasn't able to make the overtake stick as I got a much better exit. But Lap 2 hairpin, they bump me at the apex and it pushes me wide on exit.

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This causes me a great deal of frustration along with a 0.5 second penalty for the next lap. From there on out, I just pressured the Lambo from behind. They'd pit after Lap 7, way too early, and I'd have an uncontested race from there on out. I can't remember if I pit after Lap 13 or 14 for Medium tires, but the gap was something like 28 seconds to P2 when I entered.

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So, mission accomplished! I missed out on the CRB because of my penalty, Fastest Lap was 1:32.577 remarkably consistent, I'd say. The win got me slightly more points, but I think more important is that it pushed me up to an A rank. So maybe the next two races I'll have a better chance at some high point lobbies.

That wasn't me, sadly. I don't really race online. I just don't have the time to dedicate to getting my skills up where they were a decade ago (pre-kids).


Jerome

 

[Moose78]

As far a preparations for tomorrow's race goes, I'm finding there isn't much left to do besides getting better at driving the track.

On that score, I improved my Free Practice time by a couple tenths, with a best lap of 2:05.5. Still not quite enough to catch @GlockPants. One of these days, though. Just you wait.

Otherwise, I've been doing custom races and lobbies. Both have been frustrating in their own way.

The AI cars in custom races are infuriatingly unrealistic in how they drive across the mountain, braking at the weirdest places. I've adjusted my driving to get around them, but this is not a habit I want to be burning into my muscle memory for racing against actual humans.

The lobbies are great for driving with other humans, but I'm having terrible luck finding lobbies to race in. I'm either too late (the race has already started; the host is done and closes it), too early (drive loads of practice laps without a race ever starting), too foreign (lobbies with Europeans tend to be really laggy), or too GT2-leaguey (lots of 28-lap GT1 lobbies, but not so many 16-lap GT2/3 ones). I've only managed to get into one full-length race since Saturday. I'm hoping tonight will be easier, with the races being only a day away. By the way, I expect I'll be lurking around the lobbies this evening between 7 and 9 EDT if anybody wants to meet up for a race.

I've already got two great scores in this season that are going to be hard to beat, especially now that us GT2/3ers are in the Gr.3 cars, which I tend to do worse in than the Gr.4 ones. I'm mainly aiming to have fun and drive my best. If I'm lucky enough to turn it into something more, so much the better.

Has anyone done tests on not taking tires in the last stop? ie doing 2 x 9-lap stints on one set of Hards? Gut feeling is telling me that the fresh rubber would make up the few seconds easily enough but this is GT7, Hamilton was probably consulted on worn-out tire performance.

I'm a lowly B-rated driver, so take this for what it's worth. I tested doing the full 16-lap GT2 race (shorter race; same tire/fuel multipliers) on a single set of tires versus changing them. For me, I was definitely seeing the tires affecting my lap times towards the end of the race. If there was any advantage to skipping the tire change, it was too small to measure. I imagine dragging it out another two laps would make it clearly not worth it.

Best of luck to everybody racing tomorrow!

 

[Talon16]

I like reading your posts. I don't like a player 2 tiers above me in my lobbies.

How about you ignore me, like you ignore the rules.

Don't be a jerk, in other words.

I won't be changing anything until PD does. I also won't be ignoring you through the site as I can ignore you just fine without the site's help... which is obviously a one way street, hence my original recommendation. Call me names all you want, it doesn't matter to me; this will be the last I discuss any of this with you.

Good luck in your races.

 

[icycls]

BTW - there is a 10lap chili race for Gr.3 at bathurst with similar tire wear and fuel. And a really nice 12hour day-night feel (please can we have this tomorrow?). It's still the AI, but slightly better and faster than the custom races. Not a bad way to practice.

 

[SupaflyIRL]

The sunset setting for the last race was nice.

 

[Canucks_9419]

Is it definitely looking like 2-Stop in GT1 then? In my testing last night I couldn't muster more than 12 laps in my 4C. I didn't test super short shifting (no rev bar colour) yet, but I doubt that would get me 2 more laps effectively anyways.

 

[GlockPants]

On that score, I improved my Free Practice time by a couple tenths, with a best lap of 2:05.5. Still not quite enough to catch @GlockPants. One of these days, though. Just you wait.

I made a bit of improvement on my FP time. But my race pace is going to be so slow from Skyline through the Dipper. The RSR feels very unstable through there. Even trying to maintain a little throttle while braking doesn't seem a fool proof way of remaining in control.

It's certainly going to be an interesting race tomorrow.

 

[SupaflyIRL]

I made a bit of improvement on my FP time. But my race pace is going to be so slow from Skyline through the Dipper. The RSR feels very unstable through there. Even trying to maintain a little throttle while braking doesn't seem a fool proof way of remaining in control.

It's certainly going to be an interesting race tomorrow.

both of my "later nerd!" overtakes on dipper were on spinning 911s last race

e: both were too early on the throttle too tight into the turn causing an oversteer spin perpendicular into the left wall

 

[GlockPants]

both of my "later nerd!" overtakes on dipper were on spinning 911s last race

This was me the last time at Bathurst

 

[SupaflyIRL]

me and the guy in the aston (and the sickos): yesssssssssss

timecode should be someone eating it on lap 13 of 14 doing the same thing from my VR POV:

 

[Talon16]

Anyone know if there will be weather at Nord? Maybe someone out there with some of those voodoo PS5/computer stills that can look at the metadata?

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This was me the last time at Bathurst

Must be a Porsche thing...

 

[SupaflyIRL]

"Hello? Yes, I'd like to report some bullying. Yes, I have time to hold, I'm in the wall."

 

[GlockPants]

To be fair, it's usually not the Dipper that gets me. It's the Esses. But only when I'm on a hot lap. But if I mess up the first or second sector, I magically am brilliant through the downhill sections.

 

[JDMKING13]

The 458 feels great! Down to a 2:04.058 I can definitely hit a high 2:03! This is going to be fun tomorrow!

 

[Dep Fishtail]

@Moose78 @GlockPants
I jumped on this evening and you guys had me boxed in lol. Surrounded!
Took me a bit but was finally able to break free. Barely. 😅

I did feel much better through the dipper tonight which was my 2nd goal of the evening 😂

Good luck to you everyone tomorrow!
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