The grass there doesn't provide any sort of advantage. People end up there completely by mistake from going into that section at the wrong angle or the apron unsettling the car. It was amazing to watch him get out of that situation and be able to post the (former) best lap.
GT Academy: Fedup with folks who go off the track? Not playing clean?
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I think I know which video you guys are talking about. On Cape Ring in the high speed/downhill sector with the left/right? I would need to see the onboard video to see his wheel placement...... but it looked to me like he flew threw there with the intent of riding through the grass to keep his speed up. This is good for at least 5 tenths of a second.
If he intentionally skipped over the curb, into the grass, while still managing to not hit the left side wall, then he is even a more skilled driver than I had thought!
Besides, you can maintain his speed while staying on the track. There definitely isn't a half a second to gain by doing that either.
Besides, you can maintain his speed while staying on the track. There definitely isn't a half a second to gain by doing that either.
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It has a lot to do with rules and regulations imo and this is the case we have here. If the game disqualified you for cutting the corner or going on the grass then this thread would not have existed. If GT Academy competition added additional rules and regulations separate from what the game decides as a clean lap, like GTP then we won't see people making the track wider for themselves as they would know they will be disqualified. If it had nothing to do with rules of the game then it will be impossible to fix in the future. However that is not the case. At the end of the day all laps currently on leaderboards are defined as "clean" by the game rules and regulations. The only way they will become invalid is if the GT Academy team add another set of rules and regulations to disqualify drivers as changing the games system at the moment will be a bit late and the leaderboards would have to be reset.
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So explain to me what I should understand about the message you trying to get across if you don't elaborate on it. I know people on here don't have a problem on here with the WRS rules or lack of them. Why the same people have problems on GT Academy rules or lack of them then. I personally think you don't get it as you have yet to express any direct opinion on what the problem is and seem to come across with a fixed mindset and contradict yourself by saying it has nothing to do with rules and people don't have a problem with them. If that is the case then all driving so far is "clean" according to the rules and regulations of the game and there is nothing left to discuss.
spoken like a true cynic, but you may be right.
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Those of us defending the "lawnmowers" out there DO get why established members don't like what's going on...
The point most of the complainers are missing is that this isn't the WRS, and you can post clean, fast times and be completely competitive. I don't like it either, the only point I'm raising in defense is that you do what you have to do within the rules to be fast. Period. Myself and Choate51 (not to speak for him) have plenty of amateur racing experience and prefer to race cleanly. We also both grasp that as a real race car driver you have to be willing to do what is necessary to drive the fastest and let the officials sort out the rest. If this was a real time attack / super lap battle and the officials decided that was ok / in bounds than it would be silly not to follow suit...
If it was down to cut a corner or lose my chance to compete for a dream, cut the corner wins everytime... If this were a real life time trail my answer might be different - but this is just a video game. 👍
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Here you missed something!
I don't think that anyone missed anything here. This whole thread is a debate between two thought processes. Those who are willing to do anything it takes, within the rules given to them by the event organizers, and those who would prefer to abide by a self imposed code of ethics.
I don't think either of them are wrong. I just feel that at times we must adjust our attitude to suit our environment. Like I said before, if I am a team owner I take the guy that is willing to do what it takes to win, and uses the rules to his advantage. Ethics has its place in friendly competitions, but when racing for more than just bragging rights, the line becomes a little more blurry. This is not a community run racing series, this is a world wide (except in Canada
) competition. There is no way anyone can expect everyone else to abide by their own personal rules. It's not going to happen. The fastest laps that are within the rules of the tournament will be the ones moving on. Nothing is going to change that.
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History says you are wrong. I side with history. See Timppaq's post for clarification.
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I don't understand? I read his post, and from what I got out of it, he was saying the same thing as I was. The only times that got deleted were wall bashing, which is not even a part of our conversation.
It's really too bad and a great shame they can't make the effort to be sure that the fastest way to go in these academy TT's is a "clean way". It's been like this before, maybe a little more toned down (turn 11 @ Indy road) and they allowed as much cutting as the game allowed.
So what exactly is history telling you that I am missing? If they allowed the cutting back then, what makes you think that this year will be any different?
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This really isn't that hard. The guy pointed out specific examples when the fastest time within the rules didn't win.
Also, on turn 11 one can cut the corner too much and the lap will be invalidated, precisely when 4 wheels left the concrete if I remember correctly.
Also, on turn 11 one can cut the corner too much and the lap will be invalidated, precisely when 4 wheels left the concrete if I remember correctly.
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Let the chips fall where they may already. Use every tool available to you to win (this includes trying to beat the line of User #1). If your lap gets kicked out, set a new fastest lap within the 'rules' (RULES in racing should always be defined as "what you can get away with").
If you refuse to follow suit, that lies on you. End of story.
If you refuse to follow suit, that lies on you. End of story.
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Dapper, I am not here to argue. I can't even partake in this competition as I live in Canada, and apparently we are not part of North America
I reread his post a few more times just to be sure, but I still only see him mentioning one instance in which the time were wiped, and those were wallbashers.At TRC we have a very strict code of ethics that must be met in order to join the club. Just ask around the Forza players, we do not allow cheaters to put TRC in their name. We have removed several members for breaking our 'rules', including the fastest guy in the world in Forza 1. Our policy has always been integrity first.
Our members have been involved in many of the online series that were organized in Forza, and will probably start to become involved in the series that GT has to offer as well. These events are run by the community, and therefore everyone is asked to follow a set of rules agreed upon by the community in order to participate. TRC has never been involved in an incident related to our gamesmanship.
However, when it comes to the real life competitions, organized by Nissan, or Audi, or in this case PD, something changes. We, as a virtual team, have no right to impose our morals or ethics on our team members if it can in any way reduce their chances of winning monetary prizes. It is up to them to follow the rules of the competition they are participating in, and do the best they can. Guys like TRC Hunk and TRC Scooty have done just that, more than once. It is not my place to brag about their accomplishments, they can do that on their own, although I doubt they ever will.
My point is this. A code of ethics is extremely important. I actually agree with most of the guys in this thread that think that cutting the track is wrong. I'm sure that most of the guys doing it don't feel very good about it either. However, when the prize up for grabs has real life ramifications, like money or trips etc...., it is highly unrealistic to expect anyone to adhere to our ideals of what is right and what is wrong. If they were to miss out on a chance to drive a real race car by a couple of tenths, just because they wanted to take the moral high ground, most would regret their choice.
There is a difference between friendly competition and corporate organized events like this one.
Good luck to everyone, and happy holidays from TRC
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I see what you did there, you tied my hands behind my back before I even got the chance to brag. You clever rascal you. Personally, I like to just talk the small game...or no game at all until AFTER I've accomplished something, then it's ON!
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Haha! I said Scooty wouldn't brag, I never mentioned Sabretooth...............
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Ok, apparently I missed something, please help me understand how my responses constitute "that type of rebuttal"? Are logical or non-conforming opinions not welcome here? Evidently I do need to re-read the TOS.
Ever heard the phrase "pot calling the kettle black"?...are Turbo's posts above response?...was the logic/opinion he presented air-tight?...did he address or refer to other community members and their choices with respect and an open-mind? The answer to all of those questions is a resounding NO.
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I hate seeing the top guys on the score board often going off the track, hell even on the cape ring track one guy exits coming off the track to the side road exiting the S bend before the long loop.
My opinion, these laps should be invalidated, don't take this as a cry for "Oh his too good", but this should be clean racing to find the best drivers, am I not right? I like to keep it clean and find my fastest lap times without having to take 2 tires into the grass, so should the GT academy tournament.
So why are they allowing this type of driving when it would not be tolerated in Real Life? As long as your inside tires are not going over the rumble strip, it should be counted, if the inside tires go off the rumble strip the lap should be invalid.
Screen shot below of the lap I was talking about on cape ring, this should have been invalidated, but instead he topped the scoreboard.
You can actually drive with 2 weels on the grass on the inside of a turn. It happens all the time IRL-racing. And if the driver is quick enough to lead, he's probably a good driver, with or without 2 wheels on the grass. And about the zones where you are DQ'd.. There are tracks IRL where the race-control allows driving outside of the track, and other places where they dont. It's all about if you have an advantage or not.. If everybody does it, no one has a disadvantage, thats why they in some cases allow it. For ex: the chicane on Monza. it has always been arguments of it.. Also Melbourna has a lot of questionable zones that the drivers use.. I understand your concern, but just try it yoreself! If you are good enough you will end up on top. I understand that you want to set a really fair time. But as in life as a whole, you need to push barriers, strech lmits and so on to gain sometimes.. Merry X-mas!!
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