GT Academy: Fedup with folks who go off the track? Not playing clean?

[Saidur_Ali]

I couldn't care less what others do. I do find it weird how some people come here and don't get why established members here don't like what's going on.

We do get what established members here don't like. Most have mentioned it and most of them are following the trend if it meant the chance to go in the next round.

History says you are wrong. I side with history. See Timppaq's post for clarification.

I agree with everything Timppaq said. Corner cutting was allowed in the last GT Academy. I think it will be allowed in this GT Academy and if it gets pulled out then people can do another "clean" lap according to the new rules. From what I have read here the person who got disqualified was due to excessive wall-riding and having a group of people protest about it. That person was the only one disqualified. However no-one in GT Academy has ever been disqualified due to corner cutting so history says it is allowed and if most people in the top times are doing it then they are not going to disqualify everyone on the leaderboards are they. The only thing major they could do is reset the leaderboards or allow other drivers delete their times if they don't think there time adheres to new rules. This would be the case if they decided to change the rules of the competition but it is unlikely.

This really isn't that hard. The guy pointed out specific examples when the fastest time within the rules didn't win.

Also, on turn 11 one can cut the corner too much and the lap will be invalidated, precisely when 4 wheels left the concrete if I remember correctly.

He pointed out only one example. His actual post goes against everything you have been saying about rules.

I don't understand? I read his post, and from what I got out of it, he was saying the same thing as I was. The only times that got deleted were wall bashing, which is not even a part of our conversation.

It's really too bad and a great shame they can't make the effort to be sure that the fastest way to go in these academy TT's is a "clean way". It's been like this before, maybe a little more toned down (turn 11 @ Indy road) and they allowed as much cutting as the game allowed.

So what exactly is history telling you that I am missing? If they allowed the cutting back then, what makes you think that this year will be any different?

His post also goes with what I've been saying. Adhere to current set of rules and if they get changed then change with them even if you don't like what the game allows.

Those of us defending the "lawnmowers" out there DO get why established members don't like what's going on...

The point most of the complainers are missing is that this isn't the WRS, and you can post clean, fast times and be completely competitive. I don't like it either, the only point I'm raising in defense is that you do what you have to do within the rules to be fast. Period. Myself and Choate51 (not to speak for him) have plenty of amateur racing experience and prefer to race cleanly. We also both grasp that as a real race car driver you have to be willing to do what is necessary to drive the fastest and let the officials sort out the rest. If this was a real time attack / super lap battle and the officials decided that was ok / in bounds than it would be silly not to follow suit...

If it was down to cut a corner or lose my chance to compete for a dream, cut the corner wins everytime... If this were a real life time trail my answer might be different - but this is just a video game. 👍

I agree with you on this. I think the problem is here is Dapper is struggling to understand what most established members are unhappy about and why and contradicting himself a lot. I don't really mind as it is hard to change someone who is close minded on the subject but from what I've seen on this thread, the majority seem to understand. This is good to know at least.

 

[Dapper]

What contradiction?
Closed minded towards what?
The fact is people came here specifically to defend bad driving, and still are, for no apparent reason. I don't care either way, except garbage is being talked about instead of how great this competition is.

And why do you keep repeating yourself?

 

[Saidur_Ali]

What contradiction?
Closed minded towards what?
The fact is people came here specifically to defend bad driving, and still are, for no apparent reason. I don't care either way, except garbage is being talked about instead of how great this competition is.

And why do you keep repeating yourself?

The contradiction is you say you agree with someone who is repeating what I'm saying but when I say it you don't agree?

I think you are close minded in terms of trying to understand what most of here are saying including the established ones. We are saying that it is OK to drive "bad" and get on top of the leaderboards as long as it is allowed. Most of the people who are driving "badly" are top drivers in the game, using everything to their advantage like how racing drivers should. Not moan about, oh GTPlanet rules promote a certain type of driving which people define as "clean" on here and we must adhere to it even if we get knocked out. However the game also has a different perception of clean and disqualifies people if they go beyond them boundaries. I was not repeating myself on most of that post, just reinforcing stance of others and myself are trying to explain, even people who you agree with. I replied to some of your quotes, about history of people getting disqualified the fastest laps. This has happened on one ocassion on GT Academy as far as I know, and doesn't make it a history for DQing a driver especially the reason we have here which is not one person heavily wall-riding.

 

[TheDrummingKING]

Ok, apparently I missed something, please help me understand how my responses constitute "that type of rebuttal"? Are logical or non-conforming opinions not welcome here? Evidently I do need to re-read the TOS.

Ever heard the phrase "pot calling the kettle black"?...are Turbo's posts above response?...was the logic/opinion he presented air-tight?...did he address or refer to other community members and their choices with respect and an open-mind? The answer to all of those questions is a resounding NO.

"That type of rebuttal" referred to how you made it look like you had no respect for his opinion. You saying LOL infront of your reply made seem like all you did was scan over his post like it was some kind of a joke. Your opinion is welcome here, but only if you make an effort to value others' opinions aswell.

 

[Dapper]

The contradiction is you say you agree with someone who is repeating what I'm saying but when I say it you don't agree?

I think you are close minded in terms of trying to understand what most of here are saying including the established ones. riding.

Your first point isn't disputable, it isn't true.
Your second point is an opinion, an unjust and unwarranted one, but, nonetheless, you certainly are entitled to it.

If you think I haven't read the "I'll do what it takes if I'm allowed..." line 100 times already go ahead and type it again.

 

[Choate51]

I'll do what it takes if I'm allowed!

 

[CodeRedR51]

I'll do what it takes if I'm allowed!

I think we pretty much get that by now. 👍

 

[Choate51]

I think we pretty much get that by now. 👍

If you didn't get the sarcasm in that comment I feel sorry for you.

 

[CodeRedR51]

You should know that it's hard for people to pick up on sarcasm when they're reading it on the internet.

 

[Choate51]

I've never understood why. It clearly states in the previous post, "If you think I haven't read the "I'll do what it takes if I'm allowed..." line 100 times already go ahead and type it again. "

Of course sarcasm would be in play if I then follow with, "I'll do what it takes if I'm allowed!"

I guess this is hard to grasp?

 

[Choate51]

BTW, Merry Effing Christmas everyone!

 

[CodeRedR51]

I've never understood why. It clearly states in the previous post, "If you think I haven't read the "I'll do what it takes if I'm allowed..." line 100 times already go ahead and type it again. "

Of course sarcasm would be in play if I then follow with, "I'll do what it takes if I'm allowed!"

I guess this is hard to grasp?

I've been spot-reading this post the last couple days cause I'm tired of arguing with idiots like you.

Ignore list....thank you....and goodbye.

 

[luskiiimj]

Ignore Listed. Ouch. That's not a very Christmasy (sp?) thing to do. It's also very hurtful. In protest, I'm going to ignore my own self, which is really quite unpossible.

Unirregardless of that, what is spot-reading? because it sounds like a euphemism for the exact opposite - blanket skimming.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Spot reading, skimming, whatever you would like to call it.

 

[The Cheef]

BTW, Merry Effing Christmas everyone!

ahhhh HELL YEAH!!

 

[magic7]

Ayrton Senna once said in an interview "Unless you cut a corner, don't go for it".

Fair & Clean(But this applies to himself when doing flying laps and it seems he doesnt apply it when its racing)

 

[TRC GeorgiaDawg]

I've been spot-reading this post the last couple days cause I'm tired of arguing with idiots like you.

Ignore list....thank you....and goodbye.

Just out of curiosity, and you don't have to answer if you don't want to. But, I'm wondering how far off the #1 time are you? Because honestly, you are coming off as one of these types that's 5 seconds back, but blames a "cheat" that shaves .2 off a lap for being so far back. Not saying that's true, it's just how you come off.

 

[Choate51]

Just out of curiosity, and you don't have to answer if you don't want to. But, I'm wondering how far off the #1 time are you? Because honestly, you are coming off as one of these types that's 5 seconds back, but blames a "cheat" that shaves .2 off a lap for being so far back. Not saying that's true, it's just how you come off.

I agree totally. I must be an idiot because eventhough I didn't use the cheat I actually understand why it's done and if it's the difference between winning and losing I do it 100% of the time. But I guess the grinch crapped in his cheerios this morning and didn't know Chocolate Cheerios existed.

This guy cracks me up. Does he actually think I care.

 

[EL_ZISSOU]

 

[TRC Scooty]

Last 3 posts = Sabertooth approved.

 

[Deuce350z]

This thread is not for personal flame wars against anothers lap time, tactics, and/or opinion. I don't want to see anybody trying to bash another persons post because of what they believe.

If you have something positive to say, or share your opinion, please do but do not turn this into a bashing thread.

As i've stated before, this thread is not against anybodies lap time, but against the rules established by PD.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Just out of curiosity, and you don't have to answer if you don't want to. But, I'm wondering how far off the #1 time are you? Because honestly, you are coming off as one of these types that's 5 seconds back, but blames a "cheat" that shaves .2 off a lap for being so far back. Not saying that's true, it's just how you come off.

19th overall in the West as of midnight last night. Not putting too much effort into it since I believe your position doesn't mean much in the first round as long as you stay in the top 128.

 

[TRC GeorgiaDawg]

19th overall in the West as of midnight last night. Not putting too much effort into it since I believe your position doesn't mean much in the first round as long as you stay in the top 128.

Ok, fair enough. Still, you along with a couple others come off as one of those types that look for any excuse and cling to it like their lives depended on it as to why they're not as fast as they think they are. Sounds like at the most people might gain a tenth or two and it's being made out like they bulldozed a path through the middle of the track and cut half of it off.

I'll say this. I still think your anger is misplaced. It should be at PD for whatever flaws in the penalty system that need addressing. I hope they do address any penalty issues. It will kill the overall game for me if the coming leaderboards end up being a wallbash/cutfest. It'll be as worthless as that "other" "definitive" racing sim if it ends up like that.

But the reality apparently is this cut is allowed by the rules PD set forth. Unless they step in and say it's illegal, it's legal. That's the bottom line. Same as wallriding was "legal" for WCG. Same as dirty driving crashfests were "legal" for CGS. Same as there were cuts in the Nissan and Hyundai tournaments on Forza that people didn't like that were "legal". There's always something that at the end of the day you're going to just have to suck it up and do if you want to compete at these kinds of levels. Because if you don't, your just going to end up getting beat by the guy that does.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Ok, fair enough. Still, you along with a couple others come off as one of those types that look for any excuse and cling to it like their lives depended on it as to why they're not as fast as they think they are. Sounds like at the most people might gain a tenth or two and it's being made out like they bulldozed a path through the middle of the track and cut half of it off.

I'll say this. I still think your anger is misplaced. It should be at PD for whatever flaws in the penalty system that need addressing. I hope they do address any penalty issues. It will kill the overall game for me if the coming leaderboards end up being a wallbash/cutfest. It'll be as worthless as that "other" "definitive" racing sim if it ends up like that.

But the reality apparently is this cut is allowed by the rules PD set forth. Unless they step in and say it's illegal, it's legal. That's the bottom line. Same as wallriding was "legal" for WCG. Same as dirty driving crashfests were "legal" for CGS. Same as there were cuts in the Nissan and Hyundai tournaments on Forza that people didn't like that were "legal". There's always something that at the end of the day you're going to just have to suck it up and do if you want to compete at these kinds of levels. Because if you don't, your just going to end up getting beat by the guy that does.

I guess what I am getting as is yes, sure it's only a tenth or two of a second. But when you have so many people competing in something like this, that tenth or two could be as many as 10+ positions in the rankings. I've watched the laps, and other for the couple grass cuts from the leader, that lap is squeaky clean.

Like I said earlier, if I don't make it very far because I refuse to mow the lawn, then so be it. I would much rather spend my hard earned money to get into motorsports than do something I think is wrong.

There are times when I do see if being a non-issue. Case in point, the last corner at Tsukuba. There's a lot of run-off area there, but it's there for that specific purpose. I've used it, because I don't have a problem with it. Technically it's not corner cutting. What I do (personally) have a problem with is going across a 10 foot section of grass to utilize a pit-road exit. That's all I'm trying to get at here.

Obviously a lot of people here disagree, but that's just how this world works. 👍

 

[VooDoo-Reverend]

I'll do what it takes if I'm allowed!

I'll do what's allowed if it takes? Such as a Fiat 500 on Eiger?

 

[Timppaq]

Like I said earlier, if I don't make it very far because I refuse to mow the lawn, then so be it. I would much rather spend my hard earned money to get into motorsports than do something I think is wrong.

If it really is a matter of a few tenths, it really doesn't matter at all in a sense of finding the right winner. With .3 down you're guaranteed to go through. Therefore it's up to you (3rd) if you want to chase the #1 spot and use the unsportsmanlike driving lines. There's no real prize being the #1 with the "cheat" though. But everyone has their own opinion on this I'm sure

But this is an important thing to speak of now because as the competition progresses, the meaning of these "cheats" increases. I would not want to see the live stage spots be won by thins kind of behaviour. Sadly, it is very much possible. At this stage it is still fairly unlikely for a winner canditate to be left out because he didn't use the "cheat". 128 is plenty to get all the needed guys in there.

Will PD ever hear us worrying after this all? Probably not.. this has really nothing to do with their main goal. Finding the best one out there.

Would it make this competition more professional if these things would be sorted out? Of course! And as it would be really easy to do also, they really can't blame us pointing them with the finger..

 

[SLAPHAPPYFRANKY]

I see it as this. If you're good enough to be fast then you are good enough to be able to pop over the curb and do the line everyone else is doing. I dont want to do it since its morally wrong, but as I said before "cant beat em join em". Hopefully PD does something about for the next round if the track does have this kind of location.

If it happens at the live event it'll be a different story as having a face to face with someone is always better than typing over the serious internet.

 

[TRC_Hunk]

In 2009, Audi and Turn10 put together a tournament called the AXF-24 Forza Challenge. Qualifiers took place online in the form of a hotlap challenge. The top 9 fastest times from the U.S. would be flown to New York to compete in the finals. The grand prize was a trip to France to watch the 2010 Le Mans race trackside with the Audi team, a prize package worth $20,000. The 9 finalists included myself, TRC Scooty, and 3 other TRC (Time Racing Club) members. Five of the nine finalists were from my car club, a feat which is quite impressive and I'm very proud of. In the finals we were separated into 3 teams of 3 drivers each. We raced for 24 hours straight on La Sarthe, switching off stints, coinciding with the actual 2009 Le Mans race.

When it wasn't my shift to race, I would watch my competitors. I noticed that a driver from another team (a non TRC member) would consistently cut the last chicane on La Sarthe. It was deliberate, and exactly the type of behavior that people in this thread would consider morally wrong and "cheating". But could I blame him for cutting the corner? No. After all, we were competing for a $20,000 prize. He was doing whatever it took to win, finding the edge wherever he could. The judges had not seen what he was doing so he was getting away with it. But I saw it, and immediately pointed it out to one of the race officials. "Is that legal?", I asked. The official responded, "See those three orange cones on the inside of the chicane? You can cut as much as you want as long as you don't knock over those cones." So the rule was made clear, and you can be damned sure that during my next stint I cut that last chicane as much as I could without knocking over the cones. Some people here on GTP would have called it unsportsmanlike, or "cheating", but the fact is I was doing whatever it took to win while staying within the rules of the competition. My teammates were counting on me, and there was a huge prize at stake. Should I have taken the moral stance and not cut the corner because I felt it was unethical? Absolutely not, the thought never crossed my mind. If I didn't give myself the best chance to win I would have felt like a complete idiot. All the work to get to the finals, racing for 24 hours straight with 2 other people depending on me to perform, it would have been a total failure on my part if I didn't cut the corner and save that precious time.

So that is my stance on this matter. Both sides of this argument know where each other stands, and there is no convincing either side. I think I'm done with this thread because its going no where. Merry X'mas!

Oh yeah, the result? My team won.

Btw, TRC Scooty pwned that tournament. He had the fastest lap, and fastest stint time, and fastest overall time I believe. I can't wait until he participates in this competition!

 

[Timppaq]

Congrats on your great performance 👍 These competitions are really great and we can be sure there will be more and more of these. Great times ahead I fear... I personally can't wait for the next PAL Academy, the experience in itself is a great thing and you can gain a lot of them even if you won't be the lucky one to win the whole thing.

Merry Christmas to all!

 

[TRC Scooty]

EDIT: TRC Wildchild had the fastest overall time by 8 seconds and it would have been more, but he was woken up JUST before his last stint, which threw him way off pace. I ran the first stint and racked up a TON of penalty time, woops, but after that It was myself, AJ and Wildchild battling for the best lap time the rest of the competition. I need to go find the ESPN Radio interview I did, it was terrible, haha.

Second place, WHADDUP!?!?!