GT Academy National Finals - Venues, Dates, Drivers & Discussion Thread

[SETWAVE]

Did any of the drivers complain to the race official as mentioned in the rules?

 

[DustDriver]

Yes, as mentioned numerous times in this thread.

 

[IRT_SolarSystem]

Did any of the drivers complain to the race official as mentioned in the rules?

After the decision to drive in GT5 Prologue because of numerous lies, to name a few:
- GT5 demo 'lags' not only here but also in the other countries (can somebody fill me in here about that? Never heared of this bulls**t)
- GT5 demo leads to punting and unfair racing so decided to de Time Trails
- GT5 demo doesnt run through LAN, need internet for it but we dont have it here (this one is hilarious, dont they communicate there with eachoter? They should have known that there was internet needed for the GT5 demo and checking if there was internet there!) To be honest, it was in the dealer of Nissan... If you think about that which company doesnt have internet nowadays? So I guess all is a lie and they just wanted to have a relaxing day and no complaints about drivers punting...

I went to the organization and saying: I wont drive in this! This was not the deal what we got send through mail on Tuesday (2 days before the actual event!) where it said that we gonna race in GT5 demo. But they convinced me about things and saying like: If you dont want to drive then go please... and because of nobody else complained or didnt want to complain my position in the story was useless so or I just had to leave on my own or I started on my road to defend my title... But yes I complained but it wont bother, like I said nobody cares about whats fair or whats not because SONY doesnt care! They just want the media to write about the races and they did. Not about the punting that happend, not about all the controversary and not about the stupid decision to de a Time Trail instead of the GT5 demo...

By the way, Im a huge fan of Sony but not on the way how they deal with GT5 or the GT Academy. They seem to do everything wrong on those 2 subjects FOR THE FANS. Of course many countries have had a good time and the competition itself is a great gift from Sony, but thise time there were some real organization issues! Luckely most other games will give me a good time after my operation and forgetting that Silverstone exists for a few weeks

 

[Alan_G]

Did any of the drivers complain to the race official as mentioned in the rules?

You really don't get it.

I understand exactly what your whole point is; that is "break the rules to gain an unfair advantage if necessary". A culture has emerged across many sports to apply this mindset (the English premier league is an example). That does not mean people like it, nor that we should do it. The problem I have with you is that you are preaching to everybody exactly what we should not do. The reason people do this is because they have seen others get away with it, and then it is fueled by people like you telling them to continue doing it.

What baffles me even more is that, we now have comprehensive stewarding across many of the top motorsport series so that any rule-braking will be penalised, yet you keep on telling people wreck-less driving must be employed by competitors.

The point that you really don't get is that the GTPlanet community illustrates what people really want; it shows that people strive for a high level of sportsmanship and that they don't want a culture of "cheat if you can get away with it". This is possibly because it is felt how much a fulfilling experience it is to have intense and skilled online races where, whether you win or finish 15th, you've shown the respect to competitors that you would wish shown to yourself.

You mentioned something like "I would be the employable driver - others would just be losers". Garbage. You repeatedly illustrate your lack of understanding of motorsport, how it works as a sport and a business. At every level, cost is a key factor; whether it's a Clio series, or Formula 1. If drivers employ your mindset, they would either get injured, have to quit the series due to financial reasons, or they would get fired.

What would happen if Lewis Hamilton threw a crazy move into a hairpin to gain the lead? Applauded by the team? No. And if you knew how motorsport worked (which you don't), you'd know that he would have to face Ron Dennis on the Monday morning, have Norbert Haug finding another reason to pull out from McLaren, and Santander and Vodafone would be thinking "We don't like what we see".

The employable driver is one who is fast, consistent, and can keep it out of the wall.

 

[Racer_LP]

Some pictures from the Belgian final, from gt5rs.com:

http://www.gt5rs.com/gt-academy-f51/photos-de-la-finale-a-spa-t1234.html

If you look at those pics, you'd think Poplinho won

 

[new_soul]

What would happen if Lewis Hamilton threw a crazy move into a hairpin to gain the lead?

Hamilton dose not need to do crazy moves, to stay in the sport, but in F1 there are always somebody who dose not take chances ore fails to survive a corner and are replaced.

well driving to conservative wont bring a driver far.

 

[mr_VOLCANO]

And?
I partly disagree.

Wow... Really intelligent answers you got... I would stop now if I was you

 

[Alan_G]

Hamilton dose not need to do crazy moves, to stay in the sport, but in F1 there are always somebody who dose not take chances ore fails to survive a corner and are replaced.

There's a big difference between taking chances, and skillfully executing overtaking. Schumacher and Hamilton don't need to take chances with overtaking, because they are very good at reading situations and executing moves. Drivers good at taking chances? Takuma Sato. He took all the chances, and more. Where is he now?

well driving to conservative wont bring a driver far.

Who said drivers should drive conservatively? I'm saying that there are rules which must be obeyed, and if a driver breaks the rules, should be punished. When drivers deliberately break rules, the behavior should be condemned, not condoned (the same applies to all sport).

 

[Stotty]

Alan Prost did rather well adopting a conservative approach.

 

[Alan_G]

Alan Prost did rather well adopting a conservative approach.

Yeah. Funny - I was just going to add that. Prost, Jackie Stewart - 7 World Titles between them.

I think this discussion needs to get back to the point.

My view on that spanish final is that it was great, much more interesting and exciting than the others to watch. In real life, racing is a business and those spanish racers would sell more spectator tickets than clean conservative racers. I think Its more likely they would be successful racing drivers.

You're basing the probability of a driver's success on how many spectator tickets would be sold encouraged by the rough driving. This is complete nonsense. There's no solid foundation for these spectators interest in the sport - to turn up just to watch a driver smashing around in a wreck-less manner. No team would hire that kind of driver because they would not have the budget for the damage and repair costs. Sponsors would not be interested in a driver with a bad reputation. Getting involved in collisions means they are less probable to finish the race. And with modern levels of stewarding, drivers just don't get away with it anymore.

I did not enjoy seeing the footage of the Spanish final at all. It was just poor driving (perhaps due to unfamiliarity with handling and input devices). It is enjoyable to watch drivers who can race to the limit without throwing it in the wall, and without having contact with other drivers.

 

[Stotty]

A member is stating that the driving in the Spanish GT final should be condoned, and is exciting, and that real-life team bosses would hire these kind of drivers more than others. This is not true.

Agree 👍👍

 

[new_soul]

My view on that spanish final is that it was great, much more interesting and exciting than the others to watch. In real life, racing is a business and those spanish racers would sell more spectator tickets than clean conservative racers. I think Its more likely they would be successful racing drivers. Will be interested to see how the finalists do at silverstone.

i partly agree!

lock at Nascar and DTM, contact is made all the time there!

they also get penalized for it, but there is a good line where light contact is ok (within the rules) so thats the fun to watch racing!

unfortunatly in most online racing games you cant judge racing incidents as good as in real life racing!

There are no online replay, thats why everybody is trying so hard to defend
no contact racing.
im for it, but not 100% against it!

 

[Alan_G]

There are no online replay, thats why everybody is trying so hard to defend
no contact racing.
im for it, but not 100% against it!

'Setwave' is talking about deliberately breaking the rules to gain an unfair advantage, and that it should be done whenever is necessary. He also went on to say that drivers (explicitly mentioned Michael Schumacher) have the mindset of it being okay to risk a fatal accident in order to win a championship, or something. This is completely untrue.

My opinion is that this is the kind of attitude which fuels the cheating culture in sport (particularly football). It is especially distasteful for somebody to tell everyone else that this is what you should do. True sportsmanship is not achieved by stewarding and scrutineering - it is achieved by the intentions and character of the competitor.

 

[Horde_R35]

Congratulations again,Stijn!!


'It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile.Winning's winning!'

👍👍👍👍:

Hey thats my favourite quote! Congrats Racer_LP:tup:!




SETWAVE: I hope we dont meet in a race !

 

[new_soul]

'Setwave' is talking about deliberately breaking the rules to gain an unfair advantage, and that it should be done whenever is necessary. He also went on to say that drivers (explicitly mentioned Michael Schumacher) have the mindset of it being okay to risk a fatal accident in order to win a championship, or something.

i know he did not hit the point 100% with his coments. it was more like 40%


i see a compromise within the rules, on the track with no overtaking chances there will not be any overtaking at all if slight contact wold not be alowed.

in the spanish finals they did go far to far.. i thingk they tock the risk, because they had nothing to lose, ok there was also bad driving, but in a six car race with a chance of surviving the first round , only if you will overtake a cople of cars in the first laps, before the gap to the leeder will grow too big, you have to take riscs, and they did take,but failed.

 

[mr_VOLCANO]

i see a compromise within the rules, on the track with no overtaking chances there will not be any overtaking at all if slight contact wold not be alowed.

Can you mention a track with no overtaking oportunity? Because I dont know about any..

 

[Alan_G]

i thingk they tock the risk, because they had nothing to lose, ok there was also bad driving, but in a six car race with a chance of surviving the first round , only if you will overtake a cople of cars in the first laps, before the gap to the leeder will grow too big, you have to take riscs, and they did take,but failed.

It's not about whether there is something to lose or not. This is about fair play, and sportsmanship. There is a difference between doing a risky overtake having a big collision, and between deliberately colliding with an opponent to gain an advantage. The latter is what Setwave is talking about. The former is why Takuma Sato cannot get an F1 drive.

 

[RUI]

Alan: unfortunately football these days has very little to do with true sportsmanship. And unfortunately I believe British football lost a lot in this respect when it began importing southern European players and coaches.

Fortunately this is not true in motorsports and in no way should it be encouraged. There’s perhaps a little too much contact between cars in some race leagues (WTCC, for instance) but usually the appropriate penalties are enforced.

@new soul: please buy a keyboard!

 

[new_soul]

Can you mention a track with no overtaking oportunity? Because I dont know about any..

easy.. Monaco GP even F1 cars wich have diferent performance levela and fule louds cant overtake unles a driver makes a mistake.

 

[Alan_G]

in the spanish finals they did go far to far.. i thingk they tock the risk, because they had nothing to lose, ok there was also bad driving, but in a six car race with a chance of surviving the first round , only if you will overtake a cople of cars in the first laps, before the gap to the leeder will grow too big, you have to take riscs, and they did take,but failed.

I've looked at those Spanish finals videos again. It's just crazy stuff. It's just purely undisciplined, wreckless, hot-headed behaviour. Where do you start.

The Daytona one, on the banking: What was he thinking? "I'm going to keep accelerating on this line and hopefully the car in front will just move out of my way"? And then after causing the accident and fluking a 360, he kept on going. Too serious an event to concede the place(s) he gained? Absolutely the contrary.

Indy: There was plenty of bumping going on. Going into the 90 degree right hander, the video driver went up the inside, outside driver closed the door. The undisciplined outside driver, obviously lacking in awareness, felt the contact and though "how dare you hit me", and next corner smashed the video driver into the hairpin. Is this "doing what needs to be done"? Is this "taking a chance"? No.

Anyway, forget sato look at kobyashi, he was a joy to watch last year has earned a drive this year for the very reason he was extremely aggressive, and made it work. He surprised a lot of veterans.

Kobayashi: Did he hit anyone? Did he break the rules? Did he intentionally carry out unsporting behaviour to gain an advantage? The answer to all is "No". So this is an invalid support to the previous argument you have been making.

He did not earn a drive for being extremely aggressive. He earned the drive for being quick, strong under pressure, un-phased with overtaking the world champion, and because for business and economic reasons, F1 needs a Japanese driver. His driving may be viewed as aggressive. But if he ends up in collisions for his "aggression", his reputation will be affected and F1 career limited. "Aggressive" is only good if you are quick, head-strong, and can keep it out of the wall.

This is nothing to do with what you were talking about previously. You were seemingly stating there being a strong relation between aggressive driving and being willing to risk collisions, injury and fatality, just in order to win at all costs. I'm trying to outline that this argument is completely flawed, incoherent, and not the reality.

 

[mr_VOLCANO]

easy.. Monaco GP even F1 cars wich have diferent performance levela and fule louds cant overtake unles a driver makes a mistake.

I was thinking of that track to, but I find it hard to belive that it has never bin a overtake on that track without a mistake from one of the drivers. But I have bin wrong before and it might happen again

 

[new_soul]

It's not about whether there is something to lose or not. This is about fair play, and sportsmanship. There is a difference between doing a risky overtake having a big collision, and between deliberately colliding with an opponent to gain an advantage. The latter is what Setwave is talking about. The former is why Takuma Sato cannot get an F1 drive.

i am not saying he right, i just see a small point in what he is saying, where everybody else in the last 3-4 pages is saying he is wrong, and fail to see his comments from a different perspective, continuing to cut and paste with every new comment he makes to prove hes wrong even more.
i am not here to defend him, just whats the point of saying for 3-4 pages that he is wrong, without trying to lock at it from a different point?


edit 3

I was thinking of that track to, but I find it hard to belive that it has never bin a overtake on that track without a mistake from one of the drivers. But I have bin wrong before and it might happen again

there are overtaking in Monaco, in fact this is the track with the least overtaking in F1 and all thous overtakings are becouse of diference in cars performance.

with all equal cars the chance of overtaking is even less.


Edit: well Sato might had bad luck, and so dose Nelson with his more conservatinve style its clear to everybody wen you trying to hard you gona crash, and when you not trying hard enough you fail to perform.

2.Edit:well Kobayashy is a grate exampel of how the spanis guys had to do the finals, but they failed all together.

 

[Sphinx]

Discussion is great isn't it.
.

And?
I partly disagree.

So?

SETWAVE,
you are nearing troll territory. Be careful.

There have been a number of very good responses relating to your initial comments, but rather than addressing them you have strangely become selective to whom you reply to. I'm afraid that "Discussion is great isn't it", "And" & "So" are border-line useless posts and therefore not acceptable here.

If you wish to continue posting your opinions here, then please address the responses you have so far ignored, Alan_G's responses for example. Otherwise, walk away from this discussion now and save what creditability you may have left.

@new soul: please buy a keyboard!

Yes, or at the very least, repair your Shift Key.

 

[TiZzla]

what an idiot...........

Slightly more on topic i leave for the UK today!!!!

Going to be a very long journey, im stopping off in Dubai

I have 2 nights in London to recover before the Academy starts.

Im staying in Hyde Park - any of you guys from London no where the Top Gear museum is??

 

[Sphinx]

what an idiot...........

Slightly more on topic i leave for the UK today!!!!

Going to be a very long journey, im stopping off in Dubai

I have 2 nights in London to recover before the Academy starts.

Im staying in Hyde Park - any of you guys from London no where the Top Gear museum is??

Please don't insult members in that way. 👎

Good luck at Silverstone. 👍

 

[GTP_rpm]

what an idiot...........

Slightly more on topic i leave for the UK today!!!!

Going to be a very long journey, im stopping off in Dubai

I have 2 nights in London to recover before the Academy starts.

Im staying in Hyde Park - any of you guys from London no where the Top Gear museum is??

That's excellent news 👍

Jet lag is going to be hard to the core

 

[MarkWebber]

what an idiot...........

Slightly more on topic i leave for the UK today!!!!

Going to be a very long journey, im stopping off in Dubai

I have 2 nights in London to recover before the Academy starts.

Im staying in Hyde Park - any of you guys from London no where the Top Gear museum is??

Safe flying mate, Ill be seeing you probably the day after you arrive at UK as my flight leaves 23:35 Wednesday Stopping off at Singapore

 

[MeAgainstYou]

so it starts Wednesday!? I thought it was today..

have a good trip guys.. and good luck

 

[Sphinx]

I'm still playing catch up and require any information relating to the Italian National Final. Date & venue loacation, for example. Anyone know?

I have the winner and 2nd plave drivers user ID

EDIT:

Also looking for group photos from all finals.

 

[Racer_LP]

what an idiot...........

Slightly more on topic i leave for the UK today!!!!

Going to be a very long journey, im stopping off in Dubai

I have 2 nights in London to recover before the Academy starts.

Im staying in Hyde Park - any of you guys from London no where the Top Gear museum is??

Have a safe flight, mate. See you there thursday 👍.

BTW, I don't have any info about how or when I'm gonna get there. Only thing I've been told is that it's gonna be by airplane