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Basically this:
The Class 1 spec cars are anywhere from 5 to 10 seconds a lap quicker than the previous cars.
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Well yeah...isn't Class 1 like a more powerful DTM/GT500 car? Like 640+ hp or something?
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Class 1 is what DTM will take the shape of in 2 years, ie what GT500 is now. The Honda is a hybrid, they're likely to be pushing out over 650.
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But yeah, with their speed and the future speeds those things will go...no more GT500 at the Ring'. 
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Last number I saw was 600hp dead. Current regs for DTM has the BMW at about 480hp, I thought the Merc was higher but I'm not sure. An M4 DTM weighs about 1110kg with driver, not sure about SuperGT or Class One.
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To be fair, the later JGTC Supras themselves were a little 'conservative' on power estimates. Some teams were reportedly able to get around 600 in about '02/'03.
Super GT operates on weight BOP, so every individual car has a different weight, but the lowest you can go is 1077kg. The 600 dead is what they're aiming for, but I presume all GT500 cars will incorporate hybrid systems at some point in the next 5 years or so, meaning 600 for DTM and about 700 (which, as a figure, is entirely possible from a few cars on the grid currently).
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Well tbh its not really clear how they would go on a low downforce layout like Le Mans where their main advantage over the LMP1s would be Aero, but they would lack the speeds on the straights big time likely.
But I would love to see a GT500 in Garage 56, prefferably Honda.
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At Fuji, they're about 5kph quicker in the speed traps than LMP1-H cars. They'd need work for the Mulsanne, but believe me, the difference is a couple of seconds.
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They wouldn't have the single lap pace in their current trim, I'd say at the end of this year we'll have a better idea of development rates. Already 2/3 seconds up on last year seems promising, and that's just in testing, so who knows what the teams can pull out of the cars as the season goes on.
Let's not forget, similar to the discussions of the past few days, there is still the discussion on whether GT500 cars are too quick - it has bubbled down a bit now, but if the pace increases are in any way indicative of what's to come, it'll come back up again.
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You have to remember why they're concerned about safety though - about half the tracks they visit aren't up to scratch for cars that are so quick. Look back on the Autopolis crash last year; that vaulted the tyre barrier, and it was only a GT300 car. At least they got their eye on safety before the cars got out of hand.
Also, is this thread derailing in any way? I know we're discussing GT cars, but since Super GT has its own thread, is it more suitable in there?
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First of all thanks for the insight.
Three weeks seems to be a short amount of time, considering the police has the car right now and DMSB has to wait until the police is done with their investigation to investigate it themselves.
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Class 1 regs are only a proposal as of now, nobody uses them yet. GT500 (since 2014) currently uses DTM-alligned regs with I4 Turbos derived from Super Formula (550-600 hp).
They were a couple seconds behind LMP1-H last year and faster than LMP1-L. GT500 looks to be considerably faster this year (somewhere between 1-3 seconds faster), but so is LMP1-H. They wouldn't earn a podium this year on the merit of their pace, but nevertheless GT500 is a very fast category (only surpassed by the big 3 LMP1 factory teams and various big single seater categories).
I always have trouble believing the low HP numbers thrown around for JAF GT GT300 cars. With the drag they carry, they'd be completely overwhelmed by GT3 cars on Fuji's straight with about 350 hp. But they aren't. The CR-Z and Prius can actually keep up with GT3 cars on the long straight. I imagine they were already running 350 hp before the 2012 speed increase (to accommodate FIA spec GT3 cars into the class) and since 2013 (first year without previous gen JAF GT cars) I'd be surprised if they've run anything less than 400, and it's probably closer to 450.
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I can't remember the source, but I remember vaguely the Prius being put around the 430 mark? I don't think the 300/500bhp limits have been stuck to properly from the late 90s onwards, albeit fairly incrementally each year. The big problem with the last gen GT500s in 2013 was ability to lap the 300s, they were more than a match on the straights and weren't terribly far off in cornering speeds - so if we presume the 500s had around 520 with some extra drag to carry, the 300s must've been at least close to that mark.
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Haha. I'm saying, it's a low downforce car with GT straight line speed. Banning the GT3 cars doesn't make sense with having fast low downforce cars, that may lose control easier, due to lack of downforce.
If Jann crashed and no spectators were there, there'd be no big story. People were there where they should not have been. My heart is with those that have lost. But the solution is not banning anything. The solution is patrolling or shutting down access to those spots.
If Jann crashed and no spectators were there, there'd be no big story. People were there where they should not have been. My heart is with those that have lost. But the solution is not banning anything. The solution is patrolling or shutting down access to those spots.
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There would still be an major problem, because a car shouldn't lift like that and the crash was very dangerous for the driver, too. Luckily Jann didn't got hurt badly and could leave the hostpital.
Some spectators were between the first and second fence, but the second fence got damaged too and in the picture someone posted a few pages ago one person was behind the second fence and lying on the ground. The accident is very worrying and the problem needs to be solved, before another crash like this or an even worse incident happens.
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Your right there, we've seen a few cars leap the fence at Bathurst and they've not modified the circuit in those areas, they even built a hotel in one, though when you look at something like Dario Franchitti's crash or Kenny Brack's crash, or that bloke who leaped the fence in a mustang in a grand am race at Road America, @cnd01 would know that one, they've not modified the circuit at all,
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From records, it's a known occurrence for a car to maybe flip/liftoff there. If it's a bad spot that sees a car lift off at that point, it should be off limits to spectators. But as in most tragedies, now the talks begin, to do anything about something when someone dies.
I saw that one where the car goes off the fence onto the road or embankment below.
I saw that one where the car goes off the fence onto the road or embankment below.
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