GT Sport have over 5 million players

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I read that article before posting. The author was well aware of the inherent dangers of extrapolating numbers from that data. Until PD tell us how many units they've sold, it's all just guesswork. 👍

My 2 cents: PD would like to sell more units, but should feel free to celebrate what they see as important milestones.
The author is not the only site to report as such; there are at least 2 others reporting in the mid-3 millions.

I've a bad news for you.... one of the worst commercial FLOP of the entire gen is FM7, that game opened whit very bad numbers and immidiatly desappeared from every chart in the world.... is not a case if a few days ago T10 stated that FM8 isn't in development
The only thing you can deliver is your inability to tell the truth. Your credibility's so far shot down the well, you could post evidence disproving flat earth theory and I'd still question it.
 
The only thing you can deliver is your inability to tell the truth. Your credibility's so far shot down the well, you could post evidence disproving flat earth theory and I'd still question it.

FM7 debut in UK (the biggest xbox market in europe) → below 30,000 units. https://www.neogaf.com/threads/uk-forza-7-down-22-from-forza-6-down-60-from-forza-horizon-3.1445162/

FM7 is a huge FLOP... I'm sorry for you and your favourite game


yes, FM7 is ROASTED
 
The only thing you can deliver is your inability to tell the truth. Your credibility's so far shot down the well, you could post evidence disproving flat earth theory and I'd still question it.

no matter what you say about emula who wrote the comment, can you deny the truth of it?

McLaren your purpose here is to dissect individuals or to roast people instead of focusing more on racing, games and cars; such a bad idea.

If you are going to insist GTS numbers are bad this gen it would be very wise to make sure first that the game you represent has good numbers; otherwise you sound like the Browns throwing shade at the 2018 Eagles NFL record.
 
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You can walk into a local Gamestop and see three or four used copies of a game that was already in bargain bins within a couple months. The game was purchased by large swaths of people who bought it and never touched it (after realizing what kind of game it was?) and presumably didn't keep it forever anyway. People on this forum have openly admitted to making multiple PSN accounts (just like was very commonplace in the GT5 days).



"GT Sport must have sold millions of copies in a month or so, because I can't imagine how the disparity may exist in accounts since the last announcement otherwise! Huge success!!!"


FM7 debut in UK (the biggest xbox market in europe) → below 30,000 units. https://www.neogaf.com/threads/uk-forza-7-down-22-from-forza-6-down-60-from-forza-horizon-3.1445162/

FM7 is a huge FLOP... I'm sorry for you and your favourite game



yes, FM7 is ROASTED
The AUP forbids anyone under 13 years old from being a member of this site.

If you are going to insist GTS numbers are bad this gen it would be very wise to make sure first that the game you represent has good numbers
McLaren is not Dan Greenawalt or a member of Microsoft's marketing team. While rallying around a compulsive liar like Emula is an odd decision for you to make, I similarly have no more reason to believe that you actually represent PD anymore than McLaren does Turn 10.


Altold it is quite an odd argument for you to make, since knowing McLaren for about twice as long as you've been a member on this site has never given me the impression that he is so poorly adjusted as an individual that a game he likes not selling well would affect him as emotionally as you seem to think it should.
 
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"wasted money"? thats just your assumption while playing with numbers. Grab your ps4 and look at how many people hit the like button on GTS as compared to other sims available on ps4 (AC =1k likes PC2= 9k likes GTS = 100k likes), majority rules, current ps4 sim racers are in favor of GTS.
I love AC, I haven't hit the like button. As with many other games I love. I saw many likes for GTS before anyone could possibly have even given it a good few hours testing. These numbers mean nothing, especially when we know how hardcore some GT fans are no matter how good or bad the game is.
 
As far as these sales figures go. These are the numbers of close to the numbers PD would have wanted at full release price. It's damage limitation at this point with the game being £10-15.
 
Enjoy the false hype, lol.

I've 2 accounts, my lad too. Tried long ago, walked since. That's 2 likes on PSN too, as we're long term fans and like areas of this game now it's grown. But that number is false, by a long way too with how popular multiple accounts are in todays gaming. (Plus, a couple of free cars early always helps, lol).

Clearly more players than buyers. That's how you clean up though in this market, make cash off the DLC... Oh, right.

Should read: Congratulations, 5m tried this game.

That kudosprime program/site highlights this. Many did one, and that was it.
 
McLaren is not Dan Greenawalt or a member of Microsoft's marketing team. While rallying around a compulsive liar like Emula is an odd decision for you to make, I similarly have no more reason to believe that you actually represent PD anymore than McLaren does Turn 10.

liar where and when?

looks like you and your friends can't accept the fact that FM7 is a huge flop while GTS is selling well
 
. But that number is false, by a long way too with how popular multiple accounts are in todays gaming.


Multiple accounts make up a tiny number in the grand scheme of things.

liar where and when?

looks like you and your friends can't accept the fact that FM7 is a huge flop while GTS is selling well

Not sure if I'd call it flop, but Forza Motorsport has been subpar since it came to Xbox One. There is a reason why I switched from it after 10 years of playing that franchise, it's a throwaway game at best.
 
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GTS is selling well

Only if you compare it to other games that have never sold as well as GT. Once you start to compare it to other Sony titles or even past GT’s it’s not the same story.
 
liar where and when?
Every time you get involved in a comparison thread.

looks like you and your friends can't accept the fact that FM7 is a huge flop while GTS is selling well
Why do you think I derive as much of my emotional well-being to whether a multi-billion dollar corporation succeeds as you do? Why do you automatically assume that any derision one franchise gets must automatically follow with equal praise to its competitor?
 
People keep forgetting most of any GT game's sales have come from heavy discounts and bundling. Most games get heavy discounts, how many sell over 5 million life time? let alone in less than a year.

The mental gymnastics people are using to call this a flop (and/or a massive success) is tiring.

It's a successful game and I reckon within Sony's expectations. It will probably end up being a 7 million + life time seller which for an online focused sim racer is not bad at all.
 
liar where and when?

looks like you and your friends can't accept the fact that FM7 is a huge flop while GTS is selling well
GTS is selling okay nothing impressive, much better than GT6 I think. Track based racing games as a whole are struggling to get good numbers. The market trend has changed, on PS4 the most popular genre is cinematic driven third person games those games create lots of hype and sold well.
 
Multiple accounts make up a tiny number in the grand scheme of things.

Without data, its best guess. And it does skew numbers. Be it 1, or 1 million. It's not solid facts, just broad twitter talk, lol.

But alas, 5m folk at one time or another, like I said. Is far more than many.
 
I am one of those 5000000 and
?perhaps the only one that at the moment have only 50% of accelerator.
If someone already had this symptom, tell how to stabilize the accelerator.
Obrigado
 
Please don't mentoin that word. From now on, it's a forbidden word.
oh hahaha :lol:

GTS is selling okay nothing impressive, much better than GT6 I think. Track based racing games as a whole are struggling to get good numbers. The market trend has changed, on PS4 the most popular genre is cinematic driven third person games those games create lots of hype and sold well.

I think GT6 would sell way better if it had a PS4 version,the game underperformed because it was limited to PS3 hardware,PS4 would have given GT6 new wings
 
Oh look, the usual suspects have turned this into a versus thread, bringing up another title if their preferred one is seemingly slighted. White knighting for a video game is beyond strange...


Admittedly, I made it clear then that it's not an exact figure. PD switched measurements with Sport. It's not a major gap — it's unlikely the shipped versus sold figures were hugely different for the other games by the end of 2017 — but it needs to be mentioned nonetheless. The switch also suggests PD is aware people will make the comparison, and thus wanted a different metric for success. Much like how T10 quotes user counts too.

I've a bad news for you.... one of the worst commercial FLOP of the entire gen is FM7, that game opened whit very bad numbers and immidiatly desappeared from every chart in the world.... is not a case if a few days ago T10 stated that FM8 isn't in development

This, like a great many of your oddly personal grudges with a video game, is demonstratably false. Both FM7 and GTS (and NFS Payback) have regularly popped up on the U.K. Sales charts since release.

FM7 is a huge FLOP... I'm sorry for you and your favourite game

Unless you have the internal targets from Microsoft — or Sony, for that matter — it's a bit of a stretch for anybody to call either game a huge flop or success.

GT Sport was in development for at least four years. There was no budget announcement, but GT5 was at $60 million in less time, and that was with a smaller team. Plus, given the retention rate at PD, each employee can't come cheap (deservedly so, IMO, but still needs to be considered). The game quite quickly hit the discount bin, and there's been zero post-release revenue streams. While it's very likely one of the best-selling racing games this generation (can't be lower than top three IMO), the sticker price is the only way it can make money off gamers.

FM7 likely hasn't sold better than FM5, even with the addition of a PC version. The actual T10 team is smaller than PD (though the massive outsourcing for content undoubtedly costs a significant portion of the game's budget). FM7 discounts happen too, though from what I've seen online, it isn't quite as often as Sport. Turn 10 also has a whole bunch of other revenue possibilities with the game thanks to DLC (and its given away free content too). The tight two-year release schedule means less of a peaks-and-valleys revenue stream, too, though this recent news that FM8 isn't in development yet may mean Microsoft is loosening that particular restriction. Which is a whole other subject...

Of course, all this childish "nuh-uh, your franchise sucks" poop-flinging ignores two things:
  • Sales figures do not equal better games. "Great" games can and do sell poorly. "Lousy" games can and do sell well.
  • Competition breeds excellence.
 
Was not expecting this. After low reviews score and lack of GT mode they have done amazing job with the updates. It will definitely go pass GT6. Pretty sure it is already the best selling sim this gen.
 
Was not expecting this. After low reviews score and lack of GT mode they have done amazing job with the updates. It will definitely go pass GT6. Pretty sure it is already the best selling sim this gen.

If PS5 has Backwards Compatibility and GTS receives a big update for next gen i bet it will pass GT6,but right now i don't know if its close to GT6.
 
no matter what you say about emula who wrote the comment, can you deny the truth of it?
You're not one to be questioning anyone's denial given both your track records.

Unless you can show me in this thread, I've never stated Forza was a success or flop.
McLaren your purpose here is to dissect individuals or to roast people instead of focusing more on racing, games and cars; such a bad idea.
As opposed to your focus to completely ignore any thing that may make GT look bad. The arguments you make need a strong dose of reality.
If you are going to insist GTS numbers are bad this gen it would be very wise to make sure first that the game you represent has good numbers; otherwise you sound like the Browns throwing shade at the 2018 Eagles NFL record.
I'm not representing any game.

You're the one after a comparison test bringing up other titles. All I've said for the umpteenth time is that even with GT Sport outselling other titles, internally, the franchise is suffering. The sales gap should be way higher given the bar Polyphony set for the first 5 games.

So the FM7 debut in UK below 30,000 units are a my invention?

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/uk-forza-7-down-22-from-forza-6-down-60-from-forza-horizon-3.1445162/

if you want call me liar first you need to prove that the data I've posted are false, otherwise the liar are you
That's in one region. Just as in the US for the month of October 2017, Forza 7 outsold GT Sport.
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  2. Assassin's Creed Origins
  3. Super Mario Odyssey**
  4. South Park: The Fractured But Whole
  5. NBA 2K18
  6. FIFA 18
  7. WWE 2K18
  8. Madden NFL 18
  9. Destiny 2*
  10. Forza Motorsport 7
  11. Gran Turismo Sport
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  13. The Evil Within 2*
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Second, it still debuted 2nd in the charts in your link.
01 (01) FIFA 18 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
02 (NE) FORZA MOTORSPORT 7 (MICROSOFT)
03 (03) FORZA HORIZON 3 (MICROSOFT)
04 (02) DESTINY 2 (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
05 (05) GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE 2)
06 (06) CRASH BANDICOOT N.SANE TRILOGY (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
07 (NE) THE LEGO NINJAGO MOVIE VIDEOGAME (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)
08 (10) MARIO KART 8 DELUXE (NINTENDO)
09 (04) NBA 2K18 (TAKE 2)
10 (09) LEGO WORLDS (WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE)
The data isn't false, you've just purposely left out of specific information to push the narrative you're after.
 
You're not one to be questioning anyone's denial given both your track records.

Unless you can show me in this thread, I've never stated Forza was a success or flop.

As opposed to your focus to completely ignore any thing that may make GT look bad. The arguments you make need a strong dose of reality.

I'm not representing any game.

You're the one after a comparison test bringing up other titles. All I've said for the umpteenth time is that even with GT Sport outselling other titles, internally, the franchise is suffering. The sales gap should be way higher given the bar Polyphony set for the first 5 games.


That's in one region. Just as in the US for the month of October 2017, Forza 7 outsold GT Sport.


Second, it still debuted 2nd in the charts in your link.

The data isn't false, you've just purposely left out of specific information to push the narrative you're after.

yes, the specific information that you've purposely left out are essential...

the 2nd place in UK means nothing if the number of unit sales at launch is a disastrous below 30,000 units....

in the october USA chart FM7 counts 14 days on the market more than GTS...

why you've omitted these specific information? :)
 
yes, the specific information that you've purposely left out are essential...

the 2nd place in UK means nothing if the number of unit sales at launch is a disastrous below 30,000 units....
Compared to FM6, sure. So good; you finally admit GT Sport at launch was disastrous as well.
in the october USA chart FM7 counts 14 days on the market more than GTS...

why you've omitted these specific information? :)
That's not T10's fault. By that logic, FM7 could've debuted above FIFA 18 b/c it had a few extra days on the market as well.

Otherwise, that argument doesn't hold much.
 
According to Kudos Prime, 3.6 million have never finished a sport mode race. How did 5 million enter the FiA championship races?
Yes.. The PlaySation tweet quote an other tweet as source that doesn't even refer to FIA :lol:

Kudosprime is not accurate. It takes a sample size and extrapolates iirc
The sample used for this statistic is totally overkill. It's a common misconception that a sample must be proportionate to the studied population, but that is simply not true. Also, in the case of GTS, it is not possible to have an instant snapshot of data: the larger your sample is, the more time separates the first data than the last data (and we could talk in days here), skewing the results. K' keep the difference at a few hours.

KudosPrime count existing account that are not blank or broken: on last week count, were found 5,246,500 accounts (precision is one hundred). Some additional ids have been attributed to accounts that have probably accessed the game once during a game server down, then appears broken: most of these accounts have been created - if they ever have - during the demo period before the game release. Speaking of which: the count for game account that accessed the game on the final game was 4,832,800.

Here's a never published stat from the K' leaderboards: 1,296,547 distinct players posted a lap time in a Daily Race or Daily Race Qualification (time attack). We must keep in mind that someone who play a race may not post a laptime since all his laps could be invalid. So, the most correct description would be: the number of players who completed at least one valid lap during a daily race or daily race qualification.
 
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