GT Sport's FIA Championship Test Season Kicks Off Today

[kitchenboy]

It's almost as if they're throwing dice to award points, basically you can run mid field and get gifted hundreds of points as long as your rated B or A and a win in the lower classes gets you a slap in the face. They are therefore saying to 90% of the GT playing public you suck and we don't want you so go and play CoD

 

[Wardez]

Yeah so I wonder when we'll get a full picture of how points are awarded.

Strength of the driver rating in the room is definitely a big factor, but there must be others.

I've heard a few people say that total time of the race also influences the points one nets.

 

[graveltrap]

It's amazing that a game can generate so much anger...

 

[FyBy]

That last lap, last turn, when you are the leader, and just have to overlap that late ghost car through that wide door opened...
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And then... that car switch to solid the moment the player slide to the inside
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and push you in the pitlane...
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Anyway, i had nice races, but the lack of blue flag caused problems in both races. I'm to blame thought: i didn't play online yet (since the beta this summer), and landed among players slower than me. I scored 49 pts and 90 pts only in Nation and Manufacturer races for 1st places (despite the pit crash), but i think this is absolutely normal: if i need to contribute more to the points, it's up to me to reach a proper rank.

Hey! This exactly happened to me several times! There should be some indicator, how much time you have or if you are close enough ghost should remain ghost.

 

[xJildertx]

Did the nation cup yesterday. And although I had a good time doing the race. This was my experience so far. I'm only rank C S. But qualifying was horrible. Waited for a good clearance to the other drivers. But got rammed twice on my quali lap by people who spun out. And who just drove back on the track without looking.

So had to start P16. Then the auto drive got a little confused at the start of the race and everyone from P6 and up was stuck in the corner before the finish line. So no rolling start. And top 5 were long gone.

 

[Oizon21]

So now the FIA GT AND daily races change every day? Can they keep something for a few days so people can practice and get better at it?? The races would be so much better if everyone had some race repetition for experience.

If you read announcements carefully, you will see, they will add races which will change less often as well, maybe weekly or so. They wil try to satisfy any taste.

 

[zzz_pt]

@Vegasracer take it easy with the multi post and insults mate.

I understand that people don't like the fact that drivers with higher DR and Sar get more points for a non win than a lower ranked driver for a win. But were you expecting DR and SR, the basis of Sport Mode matchmaking basically, to be meaningless on how the points are calculated?

Also, it doesn't take only time to get higher DR ratings (SR is way easier). You can have all the time in the world and play 20 sport mode races a day. If you do a lot of mistakes (1 per 4 races) you won't progress. You have to be consistent, clean and fast. But especially consistent, from my experience.

I agree that we should know how the points are calculated but I don't have high hopes that we'll get that info.

 

[snowgt]

I haven't even checked what points I got for my 2nd place finish in a field of C/A drivers, but it's imperative that you have a points system that will reward you on the basis of your opposition. It's a causal chain that you can't escape. The game has to rate drivers in order to put them in a competitive field (so the player has fun in close races and so that everyone has approximately the same level of competition). If your playing time is relatively low to everyone else you will be ranked lower than you should be, and therefore receive less points than you maybe should have according to your actual speed.

But what else should they do? Award the DR more quickly? That would be misleading as only a handful of races would award you a status that should be earned by some sort of consistency. Also, people would complain, if they would lose their rating just as quickly.

From my own experience, I got the game a week late, played through the whole of the offline events first, and only then started with a few Sports-races. I entered about 3 races each day since, won the majority of them, and after about 10 races, I'm a C/S. That's a fairly quick progression. I'm pretty sure I'll be a B/S soon, and eventually maybe an A/S, but I don't expect to be regarded as a top driver after I've given the game literally only 10 samples of how fast and clean I'm racing. I'm pretty sure that by the time the actual cup races begin, everyone will be fairly close to where they should be, and let's face it, the alien drivers who legitimately SHOULD receive the most points will actually receive them after close fights amongst their own in S/S class.

Also, people should note that e.g. in Manufacturer's Cup, at least this time around only the 3 best of the 7 races count for the championship. So, actually you have another couple of days to raise your DR and get more points in the races to come. That way nobody is so far ahead early that they can't be caught up to (even in the last 3 races, if need be). It's all just a test this time anyway, so just chill!

 

[FUNanywhere]

Timings are pretty odd. First race for me is 11:30 pm and next at 12:40 am.

 

[kjeldsen]

I got 278 points for placing 11th (Qualified 15) DR D / SR S
ThunderFX1978 made it exciting and worthwhile. I ended up improving my Quali lap, not a surprise, my first real race in that Car :-)

 

[CitroenCX]

I tried race the Manufacturer's Series again and guess what I got disconnected again!

Am I got cursed or nix or something **** I can't seem to do some good race without it blow in the face.
"**** you for gaining 4 spots from the back of the pack I'll just give you a finger again and a forced retire,loser"
If this **** happen tomorrow again I'm done with FIA races.

 

[Shottah072]

I highly doubt iRacing decides who wins it's championships based on whoever happens to have the highest DR, that's nonsense. It probably takes it into account but there is no way DR is so heavily weighted.


So instead of addressing any of my points you decide to just throw insults around?

I'm not "sandbagging" to get into easier races, I'd happily race with the top guys all the time, in fact I often do because it seems to stick me with guys in the top 10 anyway, the reason I don't have a DR of A or S yet is not because I'm not fast enough but because it takes time, a lot of time. Some of us have lives you know and things to do outside of GTS, so we shouldn't be massively penalised just because someone else has managed to do more sport mode races, if you're going to do that, what's the point in racing at all? Just give the prize to the highest ranked driver and be done with it.

What you dont seem to get is that it is not your DR that makes up the amount of points to be earned, it is the DR of the competition that does. In iRacing it is called Strength Of Field (SOF) the higher the SOF the more points there can be earned. But to get into the high SOF races you will need to have a high rating yourself. So yes, an overall iRacing championship cant be won by low rating fast drivers untill they manage to get their rating up. Wich they usually do if they are fast.

This are still test races. If u wish to compete at the highest level when it gets serious you will need to get your rating up before then. There is no getting around that. It takes some time but it is pretty doable imo. Ive reached DR A with about 40 races and i am not the fastest, about 1 to 1.5 sec of WR. Just keep finishin at least top 5 every race an you will get there.

And to top it off il explain to you another thing to keep in mind if you want to maximise points. The time of the races is very important. The race wich has the biggest attendance (usually around 8 or 9 GMT) is very likely to have the highest SOF race of that day. So if your aim is to win the championship, thats the race you have to be in. You can be the fastest and highest rated player scoring only wins and still loose the championship cause you havent been running the high SOF races.

 

[Vegasracer]

What you dont seem to get is that it is not your DR that makes up the amount of points to be earned, it is the DR of the competition that does. In iRacing it is called Strength Of Field (SOF) the higher the SOF the more points there can be earned. But to get into the high SOF races you will need to have a high rating yourself. So yes, an overall iRacing championship cant be won by low rating fast drivers untill they manage to get their rating up. Wich they usually do if they are fast.

This are still test races. If u wish to compete at the highest level when it gets serious you will need to get your rating up before then. There is no getting around that. It takes some time but it is pretty doable imo. Ive reached DR A with about 40 races and i am not the fastest, about 1 to 1.5 sec of WR. Just keep finishin at least top 5 every race an you will get there.

And to top it off il explain to you another thing to keep in mind if you want to maximise points. The time of the races is very important. The race wich has the biggest attendance (usually around 8 or 9 GMT) is very likely to have the highest SOF race of that day. So if your aim is to win the championship, thats the race you have to be in. You can be the fastest and highest rated player scoring only wins and still loose the championship cause you havent been running the high SOF races.

Again I’ve stated, racin in general has nothing to do with time completed. If it did, then winners of races in F1 would be stripped of trophies. 1st place is primary! Yes all other things can be calculated in, but in the end 1st place!!!!!! Stop trying to rationalize the idiocy of the integration of less important point systems

 

[Shottah072]

Again I’ve stated, racin in general has nothing to do with time completed. If it did, then winners of races in F1 would be stripped of trophies. 1st place is primary! Yes all other things can be calculated in, but in the end 1st place!!!!!! Stop trying to rationalize the idiocy of the integration of less important point systems

Winners of F1 had to win in the lower step up classes as well before they got a chance at competing for the big prize.

Do you think they got the same rewards for winning that Formula Renault 2.0 race back in their day as the get for winning a Grand Prix ?

 

[Vegasracer]

That’s a fallacy,...address the point system not the levels to ascend

Winning is still primarily your points,...duhhhh.

 

[Spurgy 777]

What you dont seem to get is that it is not your DR that makes up the amount of points to be earned, it is the DR of the competition that does. In iRacing it is called Strength Of Field (SOF) the higher the SOF the more points there can be earned. But to get into the high SOF races you will need to have a high rating yourself. So yes, an overall iRacing championship cant be won by low rating fast drivers untill they manage to get their rating up. Wich they usually do if they are fast.

I understand that it compares you to the rating of the drivers you're racing with, but when there's a match making system that puts you in a lobby filled with people of the same rank, it's pretty much the same as saying that it awards points based on DR.

This are still test races. If u wish to compete at the highest level when it gets serious you will need to get your rating up before then. There is no getting around that. It takes some time but it is pretty doable imo. Ive reached DR A with about 40 races and i am not the fastest, about 1 to 1.5 sec of WR. Just keep finishin at least top 5 every race an you will get there.

But that's the problem, how many points you get should be determined by how many races you've done, at least not so overwhelmingly that speed is practically unimportant.

If anything this could be solved by matching people based on their lap times and not their driving rating because it's a far better indicator of the SOF, then weight the results based on your time trial.

 

[Milouse]

Here we go again with vegasracer...

 

[Vegasracer]

Don’t try to dismiss the inadequacy of the thought process that kaz and his cohorts lacked in trying to reposition racing,...albeit virtual. It doesn’t mean you leave a standard flag system to determine points.

 

[kjeldsen]

Again I’ve stated, racin in general has nothing to do with time completed. If it did, then winners of races in F1 would be stripped of trophies. 1st place is primary! Yes all other things can be calculated in, but in the end 1st place!!!!!! Stop trying to rationalize the idiocy of the integration of less important point systems

Some 25.000 people raced in FIA championship, if you want every winner from every race to have the same amount of points based only on wins it is going to be a weird championship. I think they will not disclose the exact point system since it is likely to be abused.

Do the 7 races, win each and every one and come back here with a points summary and then we can judge just how bad the system is.

Comparing it with F1..?

 

[Milouse]

The point system is the only way i know to count points fairly. It has been used in iRacing (according to prior post) and in the once +8000 players Forza France championship (with a point system working since first car champ on PGR2), where you gain position by A. making your way to the best possible division, and B. doing good there.

 

[kitchenboy]

i kind of have to agree with vegasracer, even if he's insulting and generally a bit of an arse, a win should be primary determination for points, it's all very well saying you have to prove yourself against higher ranked racers but if i'm in a lobby with all D rank and i'm also D then winning for me is just as hard as an A rank in an all A lobby, possibly even more so as lower ranked drivers are perhaps more unpredictable.
Award points for finishing position same as real racing then award points for higher rankings. but to award a handful of points for a win just because you are not able to play to often is demoralizing

 

[Vegasracer]

The championship, no matter how many people, should never discount that out of 2 races the person who qualified 1st and won both times should ever be so point deficient to others finishing 11th in other equally or less levels. The point system should be revealed,...in qualifying there are flags that impact you even tho other lesser drivers are crashing you. Already people are ‘manipulating’ the point system by staying in pits. If you condone that then you’re a hypocrite.

 

[kjeldsen]

The championship, no matter how many people, should never discount that out of 2 races the person who qualified 1st and won both times should ever be so point deficient to others finishing 11th in other equally or less levels. The point system should be revealed,...in qualifying there are flags that impact you even tho other lesser drivers are crashing you. Already people are ‘manipulating’ the point system by staying in pits. If you condone that then you’re a hypocrite.

How are they manipulating the system by staying in the pits. And yeah, if you set a time of 1.55.00 and win against people that were slower than you you should get points. But not as many as the dude that set a 1:49:00 but still qualified last but ended up making up 3 spots in the race. He is by all accounts a better racing driver than you, no matter how many times you win against slow drivers.

 

[Shottah072]

I understand that it compares you to the rating of the drivers you're racing with, but when there's a match making system that puts you in a lobby filled with people of the same rank, it's pretty much the same as saying that it awards points based on DR.



But that's the problem, how many points you get should be determined by how many races you've done, at least not so overwhelmingly that speed is practically unimportant.

If anything this could be solved by matching people based on their lap times and not their driving rating because it's a far better indicator of the SOF, then weight the results based on your time trial.

No that is not right, laptimes arent better indicators for SOF. Drivers with high DR have proven to be fast and able to finish good positions on a consistent basis. Drivers with fast qualy lap basically have only proven to have lapped that car track combo fast for 1 lap. Huge difference if u want to determine the actual SOF.

The points you get arent determined by how many races you and your competitors have completed but how they performed in those races. Over time everyone will get to the DR they belong to. Someone who has the speed of a C driver will never get to A or S no matter how many races he does. So the only real problem here is that you just havent done enough races to let the system sort out what DR you belong to. Once you do that your problem will be solved.

 

[kitchenboy]

No that is not right, laptimes arent better indicators for SOF. Drivers with high DR have proven to be fast and able to finish good positions on a consistent basis. Drivers with fast qualy lap basically have only proven to have lapped that car track combo fast for 1 lap. Huge difference if u want to determine the actual SOF.

The points you get arent determined by how many races you and your competitors have completed but how they performed in those races. Over time everyone will get to the DR they belong to. Someone who has the speed of a C driver will never get to A or S no matter how many races he does. So the only real problem here is that you just havent done enough races to let the system sort out what DR you belong to. Once you do that your problem will be solved.

So in other words it does not matter that i'm fairly fast and consistent as long as i'm not able to play enough for the system to recognize me as such i have zero chance of progressing

 

[Lotrzyna]

Does no one else have this bug? Happened in my second race as well. At the start of the race all other cars stand idle on their starting places for the rolling start. And they are objects that can be hit. I raced this time (each lap avoiding the stationary car train) and I saw fastest lap updates on my screen from players who were standing still on my race, very weird. As if I as racing in an alternative reality. On my screen I was 1st but as soon as the player from the real race finishes the race I got the checkerd flag as well, eventually ending up 7th, not too bad with all that grid dodging I guess...

Overall VERY bugged experience so far... they better fix this.

Yes, I had the same situation, however I quit because I was afraid the game will crash at 9th lap or something like that. Unfortunately I couldn't enter different race. Only happened to me on Suzuka, the Kyoto race was OK.

Unfortunately I must say that penalty system is wrong - in Kyoto race I got pushed off 4times, every time I was quicker to the turn and other person just used me to stop their car and go on the inside of the turn.
I am not sure if they even got any penalties at all and if the got them, the system of cancelling penalty if you slow down also works wrong because it decreases the penalty for example on hairpins where you need to slow down anyway..

 

[matty_234]

I had a really good experience in both of yesterday's races. Made what I assume to be the top split in Nations Cup as every driver was A S rated, and a few with the top 10 practice times. Qualified 4th on a 1:42.6 and quickly got up to 3rd, proceeded to have one of the most exciting and clean battles for 2nd with some random French guy until I ran out of talent on the flat uphill section while side by side. Lost momentum, ended up 9th and then fought my way back up to 5th, gutted as I had the pace for the win but the fightback was fun nonetheless.

Manufacturers was going to be tricky as I hadn't practiced at all, was in a lobby with two of the fastest TRL guys I know. Only managed to get 8th in Quali in my Aston with a mid 2:01. Fantastic race and battled my way up to 4th, with every driver along the way racing completely clean and fair. The had a race long battle for 3rd but missed out by 25 hundredths of a second... Awesome fun.

I can see both sides of the coin RE points, but it definitely seems to be based on SoF like iRacing. Hope to have more fun tonight, may give the oval a miss though as that'll be a crash fest I think but Interlagos Gr.4 will be awesome. Plenty of overtaking opportunities.

 

[CitroenCX]

I finally get to raced and finished an FIA race (Nations Cup)
6th place DR D SR:A earn 28 points...what!?

 

[kjeldsen]

Yes, I had the same situation, however I quit because I was afraid the game will crash at 9th lap or something like that. Unfortunately I couldn't enter different race. Only happened to me on Suzuka, the Kyoto race was OK.

Unfortunately I must say that penalty system is wrong - in Kyoto race I got pushed off 4times, every time I was quicker to the turn and other person just used me to stop their car and go on the inside of the turn.
I am not sure if they even got any penalties at all and if the got them, the system of cancelling penalty if you slow down also works wrong because it decreases the penalty for example on hairpins where you need to slow down anyway..

As i suggested somewhere else, save the replay, upload to YT and tag the names.

 

[Shottah072]

So in other words it does not matter that i'm fairly fast and consistent as long as i'm not able to play enough for the system to recognize me as such i have zero chance of progressing

When it comes to the championship, that is the case. You can still progress your DR ofcourse wich should happen automatically if u really are fast and consistent. So you still have a chance to progress, but untill you do you wont be winning the championship.