GT Sport's FIA Championship Test Season Kicks Off Today

As I'm sure it has already been said earlier on in the thread

The reason they cannot reward equal points for lower tier Driver Rating sessions is because every idiot troll around (and we've seen them talk about it on this site) will deliberately crash around or finish poorly to insert themselves in a lower tier allowing them to more easily win those races.

Plain and simple.

The only semi-solution I can see is to also have an season winner within each Driver Rating division (Though the actual top world drivers will be the real winners). But you'll still have those sandbaggers who feel like they are cool and funny because they are a lousy A tier driver but finish great in the D division.. which results "Hey look at me! I finished 1st in the D division three seasons in a row by a huge margin" :rolleyes: The other issue with this is if a driver's rating can change as the season progresses. Should they lock in your division at the season start? That helps the sandbaggers as well.

DRs are fluid so it wouldn’t make sense. You are not likely to be set at your true DR until you have done 100+ races. Play to have fun. If you really want to invest hundreds of hours in the game and have the skills to be up top then you should worry about points. Otherwise, it’s more of an ego thing than a real useful measure of your ability to win whichever race you get matched in.
 
I dont understand. I was dr D and sr B.
I made pole qualify and came in first on the nations cup got 143 points. My buddies were rated e and c recieved 86 points for thier 5th place finishes.

Skip to manufacture i am now dr D and sr A. I manage a 3rd place finish i get 143 again same exact points.. My 2 buddies now at dr D and sr C one comes in 6th and recieves over 300 points the other comes in 17th and gets over 200 points... Wtf? Can anyone really explain the points system because im confused how lesser drivers recieved more points for a lower place.
 
must be nice to be able to freely things about people. I actually wasn't, I wish I had a lot more time to race as well.

It makes sense to me because I'm a realist and I realize that they want the fastest people to be in the finals. It makes sense, to me anyways.
You neither read nor responded to my post. A point system can both reward the best players for competing with the best and keep the lower ranked players motivated at the same time. This is a video game that needs participation at all levels to be successful. A system that is demotivating players who do well against lessor competition after one round isn't going to be successful at achieving it's goals in the long run. To be clear, I'm not saying that winning or doing well against lower competition should get you the same points, but rather, that the point spread for doing so is, at this point, very demotivating for lower ranked players. Demotivated players don't make for a happy or persistent player base.
 
It's an opinion that you're arguing to me about. In my opinion it motivates me to raise my Dr and learn some of the new courses a little better. Apples and oranges am I right? But this is a championship in there is no handouts and or need to hand out trophies to everyone.
 
I think it would be helpful if the progress bar for DR was translated into a number. As it stands you see a list of names with letters and theres a sub concious assumption that your all more or less equal, but because of the range that the letters cover thats quite clearly not the case.
 
That's a fair point, but that would change the logistics of running these races on a large scale. You would have to have an individual qualifying first (like for the daily races), and only then could you match the participants. I suspect they wanted to avoid that in order to get more of a racing event feeling with free practice before and then qualifying and race at a certain time where you know who your opponents are and you can see while you are qualifying at which position you are.

I still think it would work well using the current format, the time trial would determine your ultimate speed and what race you get put into, the qualifying would test your single lap pace under pressure, and the in the race you're testing on consistency. I think doing that would definitely give a fair representation of how well everyone had done.

@eAxis Patohm I'd agree that that is pretty much how the current system works, with a few other smaller factors obviously. The winner of my manufacturers race got 908 points, 95% of which is 862, and I got 857 for coming 2nd so pretty close.

However I think a better points system should follow the format of;

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Where x can be adjusted accordingly and average practice lap times = average for everyone in the race determining the SOF and all times are in seconds. I divided the qualifying time by the number of race laps so that it has the same relative impact as the total race time.

Lets use this equation with a couple of imaginary scenarios.

Driver A is put in a race where the average practice lap time is 100 seconds and driver B is in a race where the average time is 101 seconds. Driver A qualifies with a time of 100 seconds and does a total race time of 1000 seconds over 10 laps.

For driver B to outscore driver A with x = 1 his qualifying time or total race time need to be 99.01% of driver As, or in other words he needs to either be a second faster in qualifying or his total time needs to be 10 seconds faster or he could be 0.5 seconds faster in Q and 5 seconds faster race, etc.

You could then play around with x to basically make it as hard or as difficult for people in slower lobbies to beat those in faster ones as you want. For example making x = 0.5 would halve the gap needed for driver B to outscore driver A, or changing x=2 you would need double the gap i.e. 1 second in Q and 10 seconds in the race or 2 seconds in Q or 20 seconds in the race.

You might want to put in bonus points for actually winning your races, but I don't think it's necessary with correct matching making and points system. You're already rewarded for being in a faster race and everyone's races should be just as competitive because everyone will have been matched with people the same speed.

PROBLEMS THAT WOULD NEED FIXING:
  • If x=1 and driver B is on average 1 second a lap slower he will get 97% of the points, 5 seconds slower and he gets 87% of the points. The problem with is is the gap between points is probably too small, haven't quite figured out to fix that yet but I imagine it's relatively simple. For example making the driver with the highest score = 100% and then putting everyone's score to the power of "y" so if y=2 driver B being 1 second a lap slower would give him 97%*97%=94%.
  • This leads onto problem number 2, consistency in points from track to track. If the track is half the length then the points will be a fraction of the track that's twice as long, but again this could be fixed by making the best score = 100% and giving everyone else a % based on that.
  • Final one is another small one, and that's giving the points a reasonable number instead of a really small one, but if you give the best driver 100% and say 100% is like 1000 or something it's a pretty easy fix.
I am totally in favor of the current point calculation system. Maybe it needs clarification, but I really don't understand why some people here arguing that drivers winning in an easier and less demanding races should be rewarded more than drivers in a higher quality races with even 3 or 4 top 10 drivers in it.

The point is with such an emphasis on DR, someone who if you were put in the same race you could beat quite easily, can massively outscore you just because they've managed to do more races to get their DR up.
 
I had great races in both FIA races last night.

I’m currently DR/C - SR/S. Qualifying in both was a disaster. In the Nations cup qualifying I got stuck behind two players who must have been lagging. They were disappearing and reappearing all over the track. This combined with the fact I was driving a car (Gr.4 Ferrari) that I just bought. I ended up in the 20th spot. I made it up to the 13th spot by the middle of the last lap but went wide on one of full throttle S’s and lost 2 spots and finished 15th. Not disappointed because I was one of only 3 DR/C’s in the field. Every one else was A or B.

The Manufacturers race was probably the best race I’ve had so far. I was the only Mercedes driver in the field and once again qualifying was a train wreck. I was behind the only other DR/C guy and he was driving like it was the actual race. I was faster but he just didn’t want me to get by. Ended up hurting both our times and I was once again in 20th position to start with him right in front of me in 19th.

Being a 10 lap race I just concentrated on being clean. It paid off. A lot of really tight racing and managed climb all the way up to 10th where I finished. Saved the replay on this one. Now I need to figure out how to share to Youtube.
 
I think it would be helpful if the progress bar for DR was translated into a number. As it stands you see a list of names with letters and theres a sub concious assumption that your all more or less equal, but because of the range that the letters cover thats quite clearly not the case.

I agreed
 
It's an opinion that you're arguing to me about. In my opinion it motivates me to raise my Dr and learn some of the new courses a little better. Apples and oranges am I right? But this is a championship in there is no handouts and or need to hand out trophies to everyone.
You've moved the goalposts. Your original response was about how you thought the system worked overall so that's what I responded to. Now you're saying you're only talking about your personal motivation.

Consider the goalposts moved then.
 
I still think it would work well using the current format, the time trial would determine your ultimate speed and what race you get put into, the qualifying would test your single lap pace under pressure, and the in the race you're testing on consistency. I think doing that would definitely give a fair representation of how well everyone had done.

@eAxis Patohm I'd agree that that is pretty much how the current system works, with a few other smaller factors obviously. The winner of my manufacturers race got 908 points, 95% of which is 862, and I got 857 for coming 2nd so pretty close.

However I think a better points system should follow the format of;

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Where x can be adjusted accordingly and average practice lap times = average for everyone in the race determining the SOF and all times are in seconds. I divided the qualifying time by the number of race laps so that it has the same relative impact as the total race time.

Lets use this equation with a couple of imaginary scenarios.

Driver A is put in a race where the average practice lap time is 100 seconds and driver B is in a race where the average time is 101 seconds. Driver A qualifies with a time of 100 seconds and does a total race time of 1000 seconds over 10 laps.

For driver B to outscore driver A with x = 1 his qualifying time or total race time need to be 99.01% of driver As, or in other words he needs to either be a second faster in qualifying or his total time needs to be 10 seconds faster or he could be 0.5 seconds faster in Q and 5 seconds faster race, etc.

You could then play around with x to basically make it as hard or as difficult for people in slower lobbies to beat those in faster ones as you want. For example making x = 0.5 would halve the gap needed for driver B to outscore driver A, or changing x=2 you would need double the gap i.e. 1 second in Q and 10 seconds in the race or 2 seconds in Q or 20 seconds in the race.

You might want to put in bonus points for actually winning your races, but I don't think it's necessary with correct matching making and points system. You're already rewarded for being in a faster race and everyone's races should be just as competitive because everyone will have been matched with people the same speed.

PROBLEMS THAT WOULD NEED FIXING:
  • If x=1 and driver B is on average 1 second a lap slower he will get 97% of the points, 5 seconds slower and he gets 87% of the points. The problem with is is the gap between points is probably too small, haven't quite figured out to fix that yet but I imagine it's relatively simple. For example making the driver with the highest score = 100% and then putting everyone's score to the power of "y" so if y=2 driver B being 1 second a lap slower would give him 97%*97%=94%.
  • This leads onto problem number 2, consistency in points from track to track. If the track is half the length then the points will be a fraction of the track that's twice as long, but again this could be fixed by making the best score = 100% and giving everyone else a % based on that.
  • Final one is another small one, and that's giving the points a reasonable number instead of a really small one, but if you give the best driver 100% and say 100% is like 1000 or something it's a pretty easy fix.


The point is with such an emphasis on DR, someone who if you were put in the same race you could beat quite easily, can massively outscore you just because they've managed to do more races to get their DR up.

I see that you have thought this through pretty well - that's good work! I don't see any real obstacles with your concept. The only downside is that the free practice would become a sort of mandatory pre-qualifying. If you leave this open the whole day, it will again reward the ones that have all day to get better and better lap times. The pre-qualifying would also have to be limited, but how and when would this fit into the time-frame? If you add this to the event (maybe 30 minutes before each hour's races), the event itself gets pretty long already (and hard to take part in both on the same evening).
 
You've moved the goalposts. Your original response was about how you thought the system worked overall so that's what I responded to. Now you're saying you're only talking about your personal motivation.

Consider the goalposts moved then.

I was just trying to be nice and polite to someone that seemed to want to argue at someone. I do believe that the system works.... when did I say I didn't think it worked?

I don't have that much time to practice either, but if I want to be competitive, I'm going to have to do a little or practicing. Plus it doesn't take that long to get your Dr up anyways, and after a couple more weeks once you get used to all the tracks as well as me, there's no excuse for our drs not to be up higher than those that race all the time because we will at least know the breaking points and whatnots....

What are you arguing about again? :-)
 
The point is with such an emphasis on DR, someone who if you were put in the same race you could beat quite easily, can massively outscore you just because they've managed to do more races to get their DR up.
Fair enough... However, if you think that you are able to beat the driver with the higher ranking than you, then you will have no problem being in the same group. But what if it was the other way around? Why should a driver that you will easily beat him to out score you only because he's racing slower drives and gets a better results? Why rewarding people for being slow? It's not fair.
 
Fair enough... However, if you think that you are able to beat the driver with the higher ranking than you, then you will have no problem being in the same group. But what if it was the other way around? Why should a driver that you will easily beat him to out score you only because he's racing slower drives and gets a better results? Why rewarding people for being slow? It's not fair.
The key word's are, "massively outscore". It isnt being outscored that's objected to its the size of the gap.
 
Hi,

2nd manufacturer-race was a complete mess. Qualified 13th, which was not good, but ok.

At the end of the first lap I was 10th, not by overtaking, but by not making any mistake and benefit from those by others.

Then I was kicked off the track in turn one, last place. Made my way back through the field to P13 or 12 when I again was kicked out :drool:

I'm not sure but I think it was both times the same guy. Don't know how somebody like that could made his way in a B/S-lobby, I also don't know how to avoid this.

Finished 19th, 31 points :(

a bit frustrated,
D.
 
DRs are fluid so it wouldn’t make sense. You are not likely to be set at your true DR until you have done 100+ races. Play to have fun. If you really want to invest hundreds of hours in the game and have the skills to be up top then you should worry about points. Otherwise, it’s more of an ego thing than a real useful measure of your ability to win whichever race you get matched in.

I mean yea I'd say play to have fun. That's why I got gold on all the single player stuff, made my own set of custom liveries for various cars, did some Sport Mode daily races, all about a week from release, and then I got bored and started on other games. Just returned to see how they are working this official stuff, I'll probably do a few races (likely only this Group 4 one) and move on until they add more content or a Group 4 series. I'd also prefer it if they kept vehicle settings as default because I'm too lazy to bother with tuning.

I'm old (sort of), been playing games a long time, and I've seen enough to know I'm not part of that top group so it doesn't matter to me. If I'm going to be brutally honest, it's that we're all part of the 99% of people who aren't good enough at this game so who cares about that top tier and just play for fun. Although it does say I'm ranked 91th in the world and 64th domestically, and I think I kinda screwed up my race so.. yea this is somewhat amusing.
 
Again the opponents seemingly stalling at race start bug. Ffs starts to get really annoying.

Daily races still work fine.
 
they seem to Change the matchmaking for round 2!

With DR: A (80% Progess) i should Play in very though Lobbys. But i played against 3 A, 2 B, and Rest D and E (!)

Won the Race and got only 590 Points...
 
400 something points for 15th position on the Manuf. Cup today with the M4 (it sucks).

Started 11th with 1:41:6xx. First lap, there was a bump, got to 20th and had to work my way up to 15th. Sounds bad but the field was pretty fast and I was the only BMW. The last guy qualifying had a 1:43.

Half the field were Porsches, in second place was a McLaren, a few Vipers and Citroens and a GTR in last. Winner Zoki and a few other drivers had a 4C.

Well, my DR progress went back again despite doing a decent race and re overed 5 places after a failure of the bump physics. Why do some door to door bumps send you off track? Completely irrealistic.

I won't participate in the Nations Cup today. Not worth the risk and I've seen a friend play (share play) and it was mayhem. Other people also reported complete disappointment at this race. One of them uninstalled the game right a way.

I have no idea why PD would put ovals in Sport Mode if they don't fix the contact physics and completely unfair and stupid penalties the game gives out.
 
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Could've finished first in blue moon but someone I lapped forgot to brake at T1 and put me in the wall. Finished last with 30 points. This isn't even funny anymore.
 
Hey guys, does anyone know if the points are affected by the assists? Say, if I use traction control 0, 1, 3 will it make a difference in points. Or the cones, for that matter.
 
R3V
Could've finished first in blue moon but someone I lapped forgot to brake at T1 and put me in the wall. Finished last with 30 points. This isn't even funny anymore.

The guy who you lapped managed to overtake you and unlap himself? :/
 
The guy who you lapped managed to overtake you and unlap himself? :/
Not really. I overtook him early on at the start/finish straight and went back to the racing line. We're supposed to brake around the 100m board but he didn't despite carrying more speed because of the slipstream. Rear ended me into the curved wall and my car flew into a spin.
 
8 Points in my first Contract drive for Ferrari.. i expect them to fire me , the team boss and 3 other randoms from the team. Since i got my S license the races have been somewhat clean, but this was a pure bloodbath and got knocked down to A, clearly there was much at stake for everyone with the Silly season just starting.

24 points in the FIA Championship with a victory! on a oval, surprised is not the word.. it was a pure DR D / SR S field.
 
Did I mention I got a 20s penalty after my car flew off the wall because of the impact?

Hey guys, does anyone know if the points are affected by the assists? Say, if I use traction control 0, 1, 3 will it make a difference in points. Or the cones, for that matter.
I would like to know this too. I switched on counter steer assist because apparently everyone else is on it. I prefer driving without it tbh especially if it means more points.


How is that even possible?
Read the post above you.
 
I just realized that today is a different race. I thought they were running the one race all week, at different times for people each day giving everyone a chance, and also they were going to use your best result or average or something out of a few of the races. That 10 PM race time for US east (that was the earliest) is kinda dumb.

Guess its a crappy oval race in group 3 cars today. Pass.
 

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