GT Sport's FIA Championship Test Season Kicks Off Today

[Milouse]

The point system should be revealed,...

 

[Aezeus]

Our server crashed at the end of qualifying kicked us out and we couldn't race and got a 0 WHY??? Ruined my chance on my favourite track!!

 

[kitchenboy]

When it comes to the championship, that is the case. You can still progress your DR ofcourse wich should happen automatically if u really are fast and consistent. So you still have a chance to progress, but untill you do you wont be winning the championship.

i have no delusions of winning the Championship, but can you understand the frustration that lower ranked guys are having, you win a race,admittedly as a rubbish driver against other rubbish drivers and you get virtually no recognition, it kind of removes all incentive and motivation

 

[Mt. Lynx]

If I don’t want to race on anything but real circuits, is it worth bothering with this?
I absolutely dispise all these new original tracks and just can’t stand them.

 

[Lotrzyna]

I can see both sides of the coin RE points, but it definitely seems to be based on SoF like iRacing. Hope to have more fun tonight, may give the oval a miss though as that'll be a crash fest I think but Interlagos Gr.4 will be awesome. Plenty of overtaking opportunities.

SoF?

Sorry for 2 post close in time, however I have forgot to add to points system tracking:
Since I am mostly doing time trials/lap practice/single player in general + scapes I only had few races and am D B driver.
I qualified at 6th and finished 9th because of the guys mentioned before. (and I was 4th after first SS sector )
I got 92 points... I was surprised, I thought I was going to get something like 2 points because of the 9th place, however the system is probably more complicated.

 

[matty_234]

SoF?

Sorry for 2 post close in time, however I have forgot to add to points system tracking:
Since I am mostly doing time trials/lap practice/single player in general + scapes I only had few races and am C B driver.
I qualified at 6th and finished 9th because of the guys mentioned before. (and I was 4th after first SS sector )
I got 92 points... I was surprised, I thought I was going to get something like 2 points because of the 9th place, however the system is probably more complicated.

Yes, sorry, meant Strength of Field. So the overall rating of all players in the lobby considered.

 

[Shottah072]

i have no delusions of winning the Championship, but can you understand the frustration that lower ranked guys are having, you win a race,admittedly as a rubbish driver against other rubbish drivers and you get virtually no recognition, it kind of removes all incentive and motivation

You could argue it does, or you could argue that it actually gives incentive and motivation to get better. Either way, if ur not competive and dont see yourself improving then just take the races as it is and dont even mind the points game, just have fun racing at your level like you do in the daily races. Maybe there will be different championships tables for different DR in the future, that would give more incentive to the lower teirs as wel.

 

[Milouse]

i have no delusions of winning the Championship, but can you understand the frustration that lower ranked guys are having, you win a race,admittedly as a rubbish driver against other rubbish drivers and you get virtually no recognition, it kind of removes all incentive and motivation

There are two solutions to this problem:
1. The game developer try to deflect the problem by covering lower ranked players with plenty of chocolate, sorry Silver points, while top players get platine points. It also shows that on a screen with a rain of shiny stars.
2. We, as player, process the reality: our place often lies somewhere far from the top of the pyramid. We then redefine our objective: try to get more points as time passes. That the good part of being low: we're almost guaranteed to go higher.

 

[JCS0401]

I'm facing since the beginning online issue's, mean in sport mode/races my car is the only one which is moving. all the other cars remain on their position. I was hopping that this could change with the test season but this was not the case. anyone struggling as well with the same issue, anything I can do?

 

[kjeldsen]

I'm facing since the beginning online issue's, mean in sport mode/races my car is the only one which is moving. all the other cars remain on their position. I was hopping that this could change with the test season but this was not the case. anyone struggling as well with the same issue, anything I can do?

That sounds more like a classic network issue. Test your connection from within the PS4 UI

Ideally you should have NAT 1 or 2 and UPnP support
NAT 3 is always bad, and requires more extensive setup than can be provided here, but there are 100s of guides, like this one:
http://www.playstationing.com/ps4/how-to-change-your-nat-type-on-ps4-and-ps3/839

 

[adstomko]

Comparing it to real life series isn't very useful as there are probably 10000s of drivers racing in 1000s of races that you need to give points to and rank for the championship. I'm not aware of any real life race series that comes even close to that. I understand what you're saying, but when you're trying to compare drivers who aren't racing each other, total race time is probably one of the most important factors, or at the very least much more important than someones driver rating.

My main point though is that it should focus on how fast a driver is rather than what rating they happen to be.

That is true, and your situation is far more frustrating than the one I mentioned for myself.
I don't like competitions which are based on how much time a person has outside of their working lives.

 

[Shottah072]

That is true, and your situation is far more frustrating than the one I mentioned for myself.
I don't like competitions which are based on how much time a person has outside of their working lives.

To be competetive you need dedication. No matter what the game or sport it is your doing. Almost every competition in the world is based on how much time and effort a competitor puts into his training to succeed.

 

[adstomko]

To be competetive you need dedication. No matter what the game or sport it is your doing. Almost every competition in the world is based on how much time and effort a competitor puts into his training to succeed.

Yes but you're missing the point. Spurgy was quicker than most of the field.
It's like saying a footballer is better than another footballer because he has spent more time on the pitch in a season, when in fact he may have not had the stamina to last 90 minutes, even if he is a better player.

 

[Johnnypenso]

It kind of makes sense to me. There are seven races and they want to have some of the fastest and best Racers be in the finals for these events. So if you dont have enough time to practice and can't get the dr up, you're not going to be the fastest one for the finals and that's what these things are for.

It makes sense to you because you're only looking at one end of the spectrum. It's a video game that must keep tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people motivated to continue, not just reward a few fast drivers. It is entirely possible to do both within a single points system.

 

[zzz_pt]

Yes but you're missing the point. Spurgy was quicker than most of the field.
It's like saying a footballer is better than another footballer because he has spent more time on the pitch in a season, when in fact he may have not had the stamina to last 90 minutes, even if he is a better player.

Do you think Drogba deserved the same recognition when he was playing and scoring on the Chinese league or when be was playing on the Premier League? The guys who you play agaisnt make or brake your recognition. Thats why Ronaldo and Messi are considered the best, even if there are players from minor leagues scoring twice as much goals.

This is a better analogy I think.

Either way, these first seasons are only test seasons and probably a lot of those who got a lot less points for a similar result will improve their ratings and compete against people of the same caliber later.

 

[Spurgy 777]

No that is not right, laptimes arent better indicators for SOF. Drivers with high DR have proven to be fast and able to finish good positions on a consistent basis. Drivers with fast qualy lap basically have only proven to have lapped that car track combo fast for 1 lap. Huge difference if u want to determine the actual SOF.

While that sounds all very well and good in theory, it's simply not true in reality. Obviously there will be some discrepancy between time trial pace and race pace, but in the vast majority of cases time trial pace is a very good indicator of race pace, especially at the top end which is why it is far better at determining the SOF than DR. Especially when you take into account that drivers vary in speed from track to track and car to car, so just because on the whole a driver is say an S rank doing times within 0.5 seconds of the WR, on some car/track combos they might be 1-1.5 seconds slower. So if you determining SOF by DR in that case would say that the field is stronger than it actually is.

The points you get arent determined by how many races you and your competitors have completed but how they performed in those races. Over time everyone will get to the DR they belong to. Someone who has the speed of a C driver will never get to A or S no matter how many races he does. So the only real problem here is that you just havent done enough races to let the system sort out what DR you belong to. Once you do that your problem will be solved.

Yes that's true, I never said it was solely determined by the amount of races done, but for drivers of similar skill it is just a case of who has done more races. Even if you're 0.5-1 seconds faster than someone else, they only need to have done maybe 10, 20 more races and they will more than likely be a higher rank than you, even though if you were put into the same race you would win practically every time without mistakes.

Do you think Drogba deserved the same recognition when he was playing and scoring on the Chinese league or when be was playing on the Premier League? The guys who you play agaisnt make or brake your recognition. Thats why Ronaldo and Messi are considered the best, even if there are players from minor leagues scoring twice as much goals.

This is a better analogy I think.

Either way, these first seasons are only test seasons and probably a lot of those who got a lot less points for a similar result will improve their ratings and compete against people of the same caliber later.

That's not a great analogy, football is player vs player and a team game where the number of goals only indicates how much better one team is to another. Racing is not only driver vs driver, but also vs the track you're racing on which means that while matching the total time of someone in a more competitive race isn't as impressive, you should still get nearly as many points. It's not such a big handicap having people of a similar pace in the same race that you should get 2-3 times as many points, and if they were to match people based on time trial lap times and weight the points accordingly as well instead of using the driver rating then it would become a non-issue because everyone in every race would be similar pace and people who sandbag their time trial lap would be penalised.

 

[Shottah072]

Yes but you're missing the point. Spurgy was quicker than most of the field.
It's like saying a footballer is better than another footballer because he has spent more time on the pitch in a season, when in fact he may have not had the stamina to last 90 minutes, even if he is a better player.

I already explained to Spurgy the only problem he has got is that he hasnt had the time to play enough to get the system to work his DR out. If he gets that sorted he will be fine. Its not like you have to put in hundreds of races to do that.

 

[snowgt]

If anything this could be solved by matching people based on their lap times and not their driving rating because it's a far better indicator of the SOF, then weight the results based on your time trial.

That's a fair point, but that would change the logistics of running these races on a large scale. You would have to have an individual qualifying first (like for the daily races), and only then could you match the participants. I suspect they wanted to avoid that in order to get more of a racing event feeling with free practice before and then qualifying and race at a certain time where you know who your opponents are and you can see while you are qualifying at which position you are.

 

[zzz_pt]

While that sounds all very well and good in theory, it's simply not true in reality. Obviously there will be some discrepancy between time trial pace and race pace, but in the vast majority of cases time trial pace is a very good indicator of race pace, especially at the top end which is why it is far better at determining the SOF than DR. Especially when you take into account that drivers vary in speed from track to track and car to car, so just because on the whole a driver is say an S rank doing times within 0.5 seconds of the WR, on some car/track combos they might be 1-1.5 seconds slower. So if you determining SOF by DR in that case would say that the field is stronger than it actually is.


Yes that's true, I never said it was solely determined by the amount of races done, but for drivers of similar skill it is just a case of who has done more races. Even if you're 0.5-1 seconds faster than someone else, they only need to have done maybe 10, 20 more races and they will more than likely be a higher rank than you, even though if you were put into the same race you would win practically every time without mistakes.


That's not a great analogy, football is player vs player and a team game where the number of goals only indicates how much better one team is to another. Racing is not only driver vs driver, but also vs the track you're racing on which means that while matching the total time of someone in a more competitive race isn't as impressive, you should still get nearly as many points. It's not such a big handicap having people of a similar pace in the same race that you should get 2-3 times as many points, and if they were to match people based on time trial lap times and weight the points accordingly as well instead of using the driver rating then it would become a non-issue because everyone in every race would be similar pace and people who sandbag their time trial lap would be penalised.

The point is, if you're Ronaldo or Messi and you move to China, you can score 10 per game that you will not get the Ballon D'Or.

Also, on GTS, if you finish a 10 lap race under 7:20 for instance but you were all alone at front, with no opposition whatsoever, how can you tell you were better or faster than 2 or 3 guys who finished 5 or 10 sec. later (on another lobby) but were fighting close for position the whole race, going back anda forth from 1st to 3rd. That guy who finished 3rd would probably finish the race under 7:20 if be had been racing agaisnt the people you defeated but because he was matched with tougher competition, it was impossible to get clean air and perfect lines all the way throughout the race.

Maybe 2 or 3x is a bit too much but we have no idea how good everyone is on each race. Maybe if you had joined an earlier or later session you'd get better competition and more points as a result (or worse and less, ofc).

Let's see how today's races work. Are you trying to join at the same time? Maybe try a different one.

 

[eAxis Patohm]

You want the math? Here it is from my understand (and as Iracing works)

Let me explain (sorry for my bad english) - i calculted 1-2 Lobbys from own experience and im pretty sure this is right:

Averything is calculated by skill avarage of the Lobby (SOF in IRacing = Strengh of field)

They dont show the actual data (just a progession bar with a letter) - but as we know ELO is used it will look like this:

LOBBY A
ASDF - "A" 50% progess - 2.000 Rating
WERT - "A" 20% progess - 1.500 Rating
RTZU - "B" 99% Progress - 1.000 Rating

SOF = 1.500 !

Points:
1st = 100 % = 1.500 Points
2nd = 95 % = 1.425 Points
...
20th = 75 Points
============================

LOBBY B
GHJKK - "B" 90% Progress - 950 Rating
KLÖO - "B" 80 % Progress - 900 Rating
LKJH - "B" 20 % Progress - 600 Rating

SOF = 816 !

Points:
First = 100 % = 816 Points
Second = 95 % = 775 Points
20th = 5 % = 40 Points

Disconnects = 0 POINTS

PS: Im 100% sure about the 5% between the places

Maybe there is a SR Bonus, we dont know exactly, but this ^ is very cloese to the real Thing

 

[qwbufp]

I had a relatively easy race from 7th (got hit in qualy) to 3rd in Gr.4 and got 400 something points.

I had a very tough race with very quick drivers (many are in top 10 in the Americas) in Gr.3. Started 6th but faded to 12th after a trip in a gravel trap and a dumb penalty trying to avoid hitting two drivers. It was intense as some drivers came back through the field. 12th was the best I could realistically do with my overall pace. I got over 600 points. Seems like a fair points system.

 

[Betty blue]

I am totally in favor of the current point calculation system. Maybe it needs clarification, but I really don't understand why some people here arguing that drivers winning in an easier and less demanding races should be rewarded more than drivers in a higher quality races with even 3 or 4 top 10 drivers in it.

 

[eAxis Patohm]

Interesting Points:

- Time of day is important for strong or lesser strong races... but it will ONLY matter for the absolut TOP 5 - since if you race in a "lesser" "A" Lobby u usually will get a better Position and make the same Points. Only the first Place finish in the fastest Lobby will not bring enough Points for the world best... Solution: Participate in SOF races (7 - 8 o clock?!) like IRacing - hardest Race = Best Point Race for the Round. But since only 3 out of 7 races is counted it really doesnt matter that much ^^

- You Starting number is your "Rating Position" in the Lobby (just like Iracing) - sooo you should at least get the Position of your starting number or you are overrated ^^

 

[FUNanywhere]

I am totally in favor of the current point calculation system. Maybe it needs clarification, but I really don't understand why some people here arguing that drivers winning in an easier and less demanding races should be rewarded more than drivers in a higher quality races with even 3 or 4 top 10 drivers in it.

What high quality races?

You mean to say a DR D and SR S driver wins a 10 lap race by 4 secs when the guy behind is at his mirrors constantly and gets awarded 23 Points is fair? Isnt it good driving to win a race?

I call this Stupid system.

 

[Betty blue]

What high quality races?

You mean to say a DR D and SR S driver wins a 10 lap race by 4 secs when the guy behind is at his mirrors constantly and gets awarded 23 Points is fair? Isnt it good driving to win a race?

I call this Stupid system.

Maybe not 23 but certainly not as much as the higher ranked ones. With all due respect to all drivers but racing in an "on the limit" A/S group or higher where you are racing the "Quickest ever" is much more tougher and intense than racing average players. It's fair enough I would say.

 

[Seikenfreak]

As I'm sure it has already been said earlier on in the thread

The reason they cannot reward equal points for lower tier Driver Rating sessions is because every idiot troll around (and we've seen them talk about it on this site) will deliberately crash around or finish poorly to insert themselves in a lower tier allowing them to more easily win those races.

Plain and simple.

The only semi-solution I can see is to also have an season winner within each Driver Rating division (Though the actual top world drivers will be the real winners). But you'll still have those sandbaggers who feel like they are cool and funny because they are a lousy A tier driver but finish great in the D division.. which results "Hey look at me! I finished 1st in the D division three seasons in a row by a huge margin" The other issue with this is if a driver's rating can change as the season progresses. Should they lock in your division at the season start? That helps the sandbaggers as well.

 

[andyparks]

I'm facing since the beginning online issue's, mean in sport mode/races my car is the only one which is moving. all the other cars remain on their position. I was hopping that this could change with the test season but this was not the case. anyone struggling as well with the same issue, anything I can do?

I had this issue last night i think it's because of Sony's servers as my internet is 200mb down and 20mb up.. it messed up my race having to dodge every car

 

[GumballCGT]

First race in manufacturers cup was going great until I got disconnected for some reason. Happened after qualifying first, fastest lap, and leading by nearly 4 or 5 seconds with two to go. PSN didn’t disconnect or anything but popped the following error message.

What is frustrating is that it gave me zero points and wouldn’t let me re-enter another time after it disconnected even though it wasn’t a failure on my end. Hopefully that’s an issue they will solve soon.

Second race went great a Suzuka with a win and no internet/server issues but someone in the room did get disconnected in qualifying who seemed to have the same issue I had in the previous race.

 

[SCCAdeanRX-7]

It makes sense to you because you're only looking at one end of the spectrum. It's a video game that must keep tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people motivated to continue, not just reward a few fast drivers. It is entirely possible to do both within a single points system.

must be nice to be able to freely things about people. I actually wasn't, I wish I had a lot more time to race as well.

It makes sense to me because I'm a realist and I realize that they want the fastest people to be in the finals. It makes sense, to me anyways.

 

[MisterOne77]

If I don’t want to race on anything but real circuits, is it worth bothering with this?
I absolutely dispise all these new original tracks and just can’t stand them.

Guess you're out look mate. It wouldn't make any sense for them to not use the new original tracks.