GT1 world records

[nicmos-gt]

Update:
with a better damper/stabilisers setup
0:43:161 during test run.

 

[Jandar-man]

@karelpipa Good Job, good lap time for Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R!

 

[nicmos-gt]

FTO GP VersionR (stock)
1:04:522

Incredible time, It's nearly impossible to beat, especially with only 1 hotlap available.

 

[Jandar-man]

Incredible time, It's nearly impossible to beat, especially with only 1 hotlap available.

Actually you can try to select "Test race" on this track with this car and race up to 99 laps and try to beat it if you want. Personally I don't want, cause I'm already impressed of how good this car can be on this track.

 

[BenMillard]

Here's another run with the Concept Car race mod. It wouldn't be possible to replicate those lap times on the NTSC-U and PAL versions, though - the Japanese version is hilariously fast and has an almost 1:1 power-to-weight ratio.
View attachment 1306193

Last attempt at setting a time with the [R] Concept Car on Trial Mountain. I should try another track now.View attachment 1306384

Sure thing. I had to soften the dampers and springs so it wouldn't bounce that much on the straights and lift on two wheels around corners.

Many thanks for sharing this tune! Settling the bounce glitch at 30fps is a strange art. Zero rear camber and high ride height seem like important parts of the puzzle.

EDIT: A day later and found a sweet spot with the tune and learned enough of the bumps to drive around them. Not a perfect drive but I'll take it!

[R]ConceptCar (NTSC-U in DuckStation @ 30fps engine 60Hz screen)
Trial Mountain 1:07.968 1:01.712 2:09.680

Spoiler: Video

Spoiler: Setup

Suspension
4.3    4.3
100    120
  3      1
2.0    0.0
  3      5
  9      6

Gears
2.200
1.650
1.350
1.150
1.000
0.875
3.400

Downforce
0.70
0.80

Spoiler: Previous Best [S]1:03:498[/S]

[R]ConceptCar
Trial Mountain 1:08.405 1:03:498 2:11.903

Suspension
3.5    3.8
100    120
  3      3
2.0    0.0
  4      5
  7      7

Gears
2.200
1.650
1.350
1.150
1.000
0.875
3.250

Downforce
0.70
0.80

Maybe the front could be lower if the bounce is only really a problem when the rear driving wheels do it? That would make this tune faster.

Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R (Stock - New)

High Speed Ring:
2nd lap time: 1:05:304

FTO GP VersionR (stock)
1:04:522

Incredible time, It's nearly impossible to beat, especially with only 1 hotlap available.

FTO GPverR [Normal]
High Speed Ring 1:11.373 1:02:574 2:13.947

Spoiler: Video

 

[BenMillard]

Well, here we are at last. Toyota, turbo models this time around. - High Speed Ring (Part 3).

TRD3000GT:
Stock time (Lap 2): 1:01:301
Tuned time (Lap 2): 0:43:801 - New PB (and probably WR)

Chaser LM:
Time (Lap 2): 0:49:933

Supra RZ 95:
Stock time (Lap 2): 1:02:531
Tuned time (Lap 2): 0:45:210 - Old PB

Supra RZ 96:
Stock time (Lap 2): 1:01:623
Tuned time (Lap 2): 0:44:664 - Old PB

Castrol Supra GT:
Time (Lap 2): 0:46:882

I don't know if it means something but I did this on my highlander PSP fat.
TRD3000GT on HSR 1 during testing:
0:43:321
NTSC-U version
No ridewall, just used @TeaKanji setup advice find in his GT1 ultimate guide.

Spoiler: Screenshot

View attachment 1405979

I'm not able to wallride beause I consider a cheat. Maybe I can do this time during the first race of GTWC and shoot the replay with my smartphone. The TRD has more downforce than a regular RZ and it's easier to turn at high speeds. I used maximum downforce, softer spring rate, brake bias 12/6, low front and high rear height, damper 5/3 (or 5/4 i don't remeber). Gearing between 5000 and 6500 rpm.

Update:
with a better damper/stabilisers setup
0:43:161 during test run.

Spoiler: Screenshot

View attachment 1405995

After 6 attempts I edged below 43 seconds.

[R]TRD3000GT (NTSC-U in DuckStation @ 30fps engine 60Hz screen)
High Speed Ring 50.395 42.944 1:33.339

 

[Crazy_Hyena]

Not bad, getting a sub-43 on HSR
Well done man

 

[nicmos-gt]

After 6 attempts I edged below 43 seconds.

[R]TRD3000GT (NTSC-U in DuckStation @ 30fps engine 60Hz screen)
High Speed Ring 50.395 42.944 1:33.339

Great job.
A question about the game:
I see a very different behaviour of the cars (especially during 2nd turn and last turn of HSR). I noticed it watching many times the video of the stock FTO, seems a different game physics (more smooth, less bumpy, more precise).
I'm confused because playing on PSP feels exactly like the original hardware (I have both) using the original D-pad (frame rate drop included 😅).
So, maybe is it an emulator setup effect?
Is it an analog controller better performance?
Or simply there's nothing wrong and am I simply stupid? 😂😂

After 6 attempts I edged below 43 seconds.

[R]TRD3000GT (NTSC-U in DuckStation @ 30fps engine 60Hz screen)
High Speed Ring 50.395 42.944 1:33.339

 

[BenMillard]

@nicmos-gt For the FTO, I think I use part-steering around the final turn. Not using buttons to steer. Not pushing stick the entire way over if I have enough rotation already. Through the long first turn I use part-steering at the beginning, then carefully move the stick to full steering for the tight part.

A small 'wobble'with the throttle can stop a bounce. Has to be at the right moment when I see the car is about to bounce. For the [R]ConceptCar at Trial Mountain, I had to memorise track bumps and compressions to avoid or drive softly to prevent a bounce. This kind of 'finesse' was importat with the TRD3000GT lap.

I haven't looked for input overlays yet. It's on my list if I make more videos.

If your sticks are a bit broken, you might make the car bounce even though your hands are being smooth.

For the 2nd turn, it's important to brake a small amount and then use part-throttle. The brake slows the car enough and gets the weight forward so the car begins to turn nicely. Then the throttle stabilise the turn, while the speed lowers, so the weight is still forward. Braking and steering too much in 2nd turn makes the car slide and then tilt and then bounce. It's a careful balance at 30fps!

Original Hardware Runs!

I did a short session on my console tonight. PS1 SCPH-7502 (PAL) with GT1 UK disc SCES-00984 (PAL). I think this means 24fps 576i. Using composite from the Multi-AV into a Dell U2410 IPS 60Hz monitor. (It also does Component, nice for my PS2.)

Feels like input is better, less lag with everything wired on hardware which doesn't have web browser e-mail calendar etc etc in the background. And it isn't Windows OS, more like a lightweight MS-DOS. The graphics are really bad and 4:3 makes spotting corner exits on long, tight corners impossible. Had to learn different mid-corner reference points fast to get anywhere near my emulator times. Sound quality is really good, though.

I did get near them, though.

Spoiler: Lap Time Screenshots

Seems I sold my TRD3000GT long ago. Some of my TT records on other tracks were named 2003 on this savegame.

 

[Crazy_Hyena]

I did my runs on the Duckstation emulator, with the 50/60 fps patch applied. It really changes the physics of the cars, i.e. making them way less bouncy. It does have an adverse effect also, in that the cars feels "heavier" and does not turn as well.

 

[nicmos-gt]

@nicmos-gt For the FTO, I think I use part-steering around the final turn. Not using buttons to steer. Not pushing stick the entire way over if I have enough rotation already. Through the long first turn I use part-steering at the beginning, then carefully move the stick to full steering for the tight part.

A small 'wobble'with the throttle can stop a bounce. Has to be at the right moment when I see the car is about to bounce. For the [R]ConceptCar at Trial Mountain, I had to memorise track bumps and compressions to avoid or drive softly to prevent a bounce. This kind of 'finesse' was importat with the TRD3000GT lap.

I haven't looked for input overlays yet. It's on my list if I make more videos.

If your sticks are a bit broken, you might make the car bounce even though your hands are being smooth.

For the 2nd turn, it's important to brake a small amount and then use part-throttle. The brake slows the car enough and gets the weight forward so the car begins to turn nicely. Then the throttle stabilise the turn, while the speed lowers, so the weight is still forward. Braking and steering too much in 2nd turn makes the car slide and then tilt and then bounce. It's a careful balance at 30fps!

Original Hardware Runs!

I did a short session on my console tonight. PS1 SCPH-7502 (PAL) with GT1 UK disc SCES-00984 (PAL). I think this means 24fps 576i. Using composite from the Multi-AV into a Dell U2410 IPS 60Hz monitor. (It also does Component, nice for my PS2.)

Feels like input is better, less lag with everything wired on hardware which doesn't have web browser e-mail calendar etc etc in the background. And it isn't Windows OS, more like a lightweight MS-DOS. The graphics are really bad and 4:3 makes spotting corner exits on long, tight corners impossible. Had to learn different mid-corner reference points fast to get anywhere near my emulator times. Sound quality is really good, though.

I did get near them, though.

Spoiler: Lap Time Screenshots

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Seems I sold my TRD3000GT long ago. Some of my TT records on other tracks were named 2003 on this savegame.

Thankyou so much. I'm looking for the better experience possible (except when i'm away from home).
Great job, you a are a master.

 

[BenMillard]

Used this TT as a warm-up after a week away from this game.

Tiny bit faster due to lucky accuracy in the chicane and last corner: 49.825

Starts about halfway through the live capture. First lap was extremely bouncy as I was attacking the inputs aggressively. My smoother laps are from being smoother with the inputs and micro-adjusting when I see a bounce start.


My new hobby...

Running old favourites in the Special Events > A vs B series. They use the same tracks so any car can be 'developed' over a season of 5 tracks, 3 laps each, plus qualifying.

Total Race Time across the whole season can be compared to Combined Qualifying Time or their Combined Best Lap to get an idea of 'best overall car' and relative placing to each other.

Starting with stock settings for the first qualifying, developing from there. Re-running my favourite cars or ones where the standard tune robs them of a lot of pace.

This is a 60fps 'records sheet' because it's more fun for an hour chill-session in this game.


Captured it while playing. 1GB for 30 minutes. Started badly but got into the groove for later races.

 

[NAUGHTYNJT8]

damn good times im playing on the origional ps2 but TO DO IT IN MANUAL WTF

Mate if ur playing in auto u will never beat people's times in manual it gives u an edge in manual auto mode takes to much breaking manual mostly no need to touch breaks and when u do it's dab and gear drops sum times dab of handbrake with foot flat still or thumb flat lol not as hard as you may think in manual if your a car driver and now days cars got padels anyway even little standard cars I've never played any game in auto from day 1 Colin Mcray toca touring cars and I've found that it always gives u an edge against auto give it sum practice find the.best time u can video if possible of an auto time and ill show.u the difference in manual

 

[Crazy_Hyena]

Mate if ur playing in auto u will never beat people's times in manual it gives u an edge in manual auto mode takes to much breaking manual mostly no need to touch breaks and when u do it's dab and gear drops sum times dab of handbrake with foot flat still or thumb flat lol not as hard as you may think in manual if your a car driver and now days cars got padels anyway even little standard cars I've never played any game in auto from day 1 Colin Mcray toca touring cars and I've found that it always gives u an edge against auto give it sum practice find the.best time u can video if possible of an auto time and ill show.u the difference in manual

I agree. Manual makes a real difference.
You can get more out of the car's rev range (and take advantage of cars that has a high-RPM power band), as some cars likes to rev into the redline, while others gets out of the power band long before the redline. Often times the automatic transmission shifts up too early or too late, and hampers acceleration. This is completely avoided with a manual.
To @DaKraken : Practice manual shifting, and you will really improve your times when you master it. Take it from someone who drives a manual in the real world 😉

 

[NAUGHTYNJT8]

Thank you, guys! I'm going to do it with one of the racing cars, the GT-R has too much power for this track. I was thinking about the Del Sol LM Edition.

I use a skyline R33 I think it is the 1 u win on UKvJAPAN I think it is u can upgrade it to 913bhp and I play UK PAL VERSION OF GAME and my 1st lap is a 1.12.!!! And 2nd lap is 1.07.!!! The TVR CERBERA LM was my favourite car in GT1 Its only since this year when I've started from scratch I've played more with build up cars never keen on GTRs the special model was a NO for me still is but built up R33 is a tool I have the lap saved as my ghost car if ud lime to see the lap tell me were to send a video and I'll take video of me trying to beat it so u can see its my lap my time and ill say date time of attempting to beat It but I think it's my limit lol many attempts to beat it close no cigar and if any1 els has faster time I'd love to see it

 

[NAUGHTYNJT8]

I agree. Manual makes a real difference.
You can get more out of the car's rev range (and take advantage of cars that has a high-RPM power band), as some cars likes to rev into the redline, while others gets out of the power band long before the redline. Often times the automatic transmission shifts up too early or too late, and hampers acceleration. This is completely avoided with a manual.
To @DaKraken : Practice manual shifting, and you will really improve your times when you master it. Take it from someone who drives a manual in the real world 😉

I've never tried auto in any game I'm a manual man and ur rite auto will never beat manual u have to dab breaks to much in auto twice to drop the gear but depending on speed it will just jump back up and slow u down manual gearbox u can use gearing rather than breaking or drop box and hit breaks once then it's power down pull u round back up the box flat out then same coming into a corner drop box once twice.ur into the bend and power out of it sumtimes it's a tickle 1st then down but No need for.breaks listen to this man he is like myself I played this game on its release date and cudnt put my pad down PS1 1998 I THINK IT WAS grey pad no dual shock no analog sticks they were a god send but yea if ur a GT1/2 Player all the old time players and players with record times I have no doubt that not 1 of the best times is in an auto gearbox???????

 

[Crazy_Hyena]

I've never tried auto in any game I'm a manual man and ur rite auto will never beat manual u have to dab breaks to much in auto twice to drop the gear but depending on speed it will just jump back up and slow u down manual gearbox u can use gearing rather than breaking or drop box and hit breaks once then it's power down pull u round back up the box flat out then same coming into a corner drop box once twice.ur into the bend and power out of it sumtimes it's a tickle 1st then down but No need for.breaks listen to this man he is like myself I played this game on its release date and cudnt put my pad down PS1 1998 I THINK IT WAS grey pad no dual shock no analog sticks they were a god send but yea if ur a GT1/2 Player all the old time players and players with record times I have no doubt that not 1 of the best times is in an auto gearbox???????

I have played it since it came out back in 1998. Always used manual gearing too.
I had the regular PS1 controller (non analog) back then. These days I emulate the game and playing it with an Xbox controller, and using a modern racing game controller scheme