GT4 European Cup | Champion: R1600Turbo !
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Don't get me wrong guys. I have no beef with how he's running the series. In fact, I think it's great. The only problem I had is with what he said to Johny. One of the things I hate the most on here is with people saying stuff like "lol it's just because i'm faster than you" or "lol you're too slow," trying to put people down.
I just want to race, and not get all serious.
I just want to race, and not get all serious.
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How much time have you put down in helping Aderrm out with testing?
How many hours have Aderrm been testing?
How much work hours as a whole have he put down?
Ok, so if cars are not equal, post in the thread that you think that X car needs to be tested more, not jump on him like it was his intention to pick the fastest car. Especially not when the organizer said:
I WILL DRIVE THE LEAST POPULAR CAR.
Obviously, he did not know which car that would be, and it would most likely be one of the slower cars.
I don't say that you (or anyome else) can't have opinions. On the contrary, I'd say that's exactly what an organizer wants.
The more help and feeback he gets, the better the level of the cars will be.
A discussion is always welcomed, a statement that aims to point out the creator as a cheater because he performs good is a completely different thing.
If I had the opinion that 1 car is to fast, I'd simply just post here or PM Aderrm about it, and I'm sure the thread would have stayed a lot more plesent. And it would also make the field more leveled as a result. Something wrong with that?
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Excuse me, when did I ever profess to having helped him with testing? I simply said it's difficult to believe that PD got the PP system THAT wrong. I NEVER said that his car alone was faster and I don't recall ever having accused him of being a cheater.
Also you'll find that Aderrm was the first person to post something insulting in the thread. I was not in the room that spurred the discussion, so I cannot attest to Johnny's behavior but I don't think it is correct, in ANY situation, to ASSUME why people left the room, which he did for 3 people.
Look, just like everyone else, I really want the cars to be even and I'm not saying he didn't put alot of work into testing. I'm sure he did. However, it doesn't inspire confidence when the season has already started and drastic changes are still having to be made.
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Well, I'm not in here to argue.
I'm simply trying to say that IF anyone thinks that the cars are not equal, just post in the thread in a civiliced mannor.
And if you're (or anyone else) not able to, just leave the series.
* I'm not saying that YOU should leave, or that YOU did something wrong.
I'm talking (typing) in general. 👍
I'm simply trying to say that IF anyone thinks that the cars are not equal, just post in the thread in a civiliced mannor.
And if you're (or anyone else) not able to, just leave the series.
* I'm not saying that YOU should leave, or that YOU did something wrong.
I'm talking (typing) in general. 👍
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From my point of veiw, it was the ones who did not understand why he posted what he posted that started the argument.
An organizer is a human. If he gets jumped on, he will bite back. In a forum or IRL, it works in the same way.
I know Aderrm quite well from the forums, and I have never seen him posting something insulting, not even in bigger arguments.
If someone jumps on him, I'd say it's an expected reaction.
The best way to stay out of arguments/fights is to keep discussions at a good level. Use arguments that are aimed at the problem, not at the human. Simple. No?
An organizer is a human. If he gets jumped on, he will bite back. In a forum or IRL, it works in the same way.
I know Aderrm quite well from the forums, and I have never seen him posting something insulting, not even in bigger arguments.
If someone jumps on him, I'd say it's an expected reaction.
The best way to stay out of arguments/fights is to keep discussions at a good level. Use arguments that are aimed at the problem, not at the human. Simple. No?
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Look, folks. We've only had one race and it will likely take a full season to see how to appropriately balance the cars so that no one will have a distinct advantage throughout the series. Besides, if we keep this up, we'll attract the attention of the mods and nobody is going to like that. If we feel strongly about something, a PM would be much better.
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So basically what you're saying is that he was not in the wrong? I understand that what may have happened with jonny in the room may not have been pretty, but that gives him no right to comment on why Mule and Yoman left. They never said anything to him. Seems like a hole in your "bites back" theory.
I agree, but HE made it personal by posting what he did in the thread.
There's no reason that testing should last through the entire first season.
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Yep.
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After all, helping the host out with a short message in the chat before leaving is not that much to ask for.
If you ever run a series of your own, you'll understand why I think so.
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It was a practice room and people do have lives. If it was an official race room and you were leaving before or during the race then I could understand. But I'm sorry, asking someone to announce their reasons for leaving an unofficial practice room is a bit ridiculous. And still, you said yourself it's not right to call people out in the thread.
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We have different opinions. I respect yours.
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I also run my own series, and if people leave, they leave. There's nothing I can do to stop them. Especially when it isn't an official race or quali room. I'm not going to call them out in the thread, and assume why they left.
But to each his own, I guess.
But to each his own, I guess.
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I don't want to stop someone from leaving. Is it hard to type a 30 second message in the chat before doing so?
Why not try to help the host/Organizer a bit?
Everybody seems to think that they can show up and leave as it pleases.
Not respecting the effort from the organizer..
I think that's bad manners.
Why not try to help the host/Organizer a bit?
Everybody seems to think that they can show up and leave as it pleases.
Not respecting the effort from the organizer..
I think that's bad manners.
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Okay, so it's pretty clear that different people have different opinions. That's fine. Nobody's opinion is more right or wrong than others.
So lets all just agree to disagree, move on, and get this thread back on topic before the mods shut it down. This has gotten far too out of hand now; to the point where people are arguing about a whole different topic to the one I brought up yesterday, which I think is settled.
So lets all just agree to disagree, move on, and get this thread back on topic before the mods shut it down. This has gotten far too out of hand now; to the point where people are arguing about a whole different topic to the one I brought up yesterday, which I think is settled.
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I don't mind if people leave my rooms, even during a race. That just means you get minimum points and get to try again next week. No big deal.
CodeRedR51
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Sooo.... weren't we supposed to get a power bump?
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Right looking forward to today,
1. Im making a fry up when F1 P3 is over
2. F1 Qualifying iks on
2. GT4 Race
wow what a day hehehe
Aderrrm sorry for beging lazy but what changes have been done to cars plus whos got ballast and how much etc.... (i think theres a spreadsheet yea?)
1. Im making a fry up when F1 P3 is over
2. F1 Qualifying iks on
2. GT4 Race
wow what a day hehehe
Aderrrm sorry for beging lazy but what changes have been done to cars plus whos got ballast and how much etc.... (i think theres a spreadsheet yea?)
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Here are the facts.
- I did about 1 hour of testing with each car at Suzuka (I thought this would be a good test track, obviously not).
- It seemed the Mustang was too fast at Rome, because it got killed in the first sector of Suzuka. All the cars were equal at Rome. If you don't think they were, then fine. I could set mid-high 1:12's with all cars.
- Before I did the tyre wear testing. I took 30 BHP off the Mustang in the meantime. This was only provisional, because it would not be able to keep up at any track with 30 BHP less.
- I never insulted yoman or Mule. I simply asked why they quit, because we had some really good races afterwards. Jesus.
- and yeah I don't want people to rage quit when they get overtaken (like Johny), and then blame the reason why they got overtaken is because the person who overtook them has the best car. Especially when that person who overtakes them is me, who has dedicated a lot of hours into testing the cars. Especially when I took 30 BHP off because a few people were unhappy from Rome.
- Here's another fact, I've only done 1 lap below 2 minutes at GV. All the other cars can get into the 1:58's. This proves that with probably 20 BHP more it will be competitive. Remember, just because I won the previous race, doesn't mean that the Mustang has to have a lot less BHP. Ballast slows down people who get podiums but in the meanwhile, yes I will make minor alterations to the car. Thanks for asking.
- Johny apologised yesterday.
Any more problems, PM me.
I was going to get all the tyre wear testing done yesterday, but the comments on this thread didn't exactly give me the enthusiasm to get it done. So I'm finishing it off now...
- I did about 1 hour of testing with each car at Suzuka (I thought this would be a good test track, obviously not).
- It seemed the Mustang was too fast at Rome, because it got killed in the first sector of Suzuka. All the cars were equal at Rome. If you don't think they were, then fine. I could set mid-high 1:12's with all cars.
- Before I did the tyre wear testing. I took 30 BHP off the Mustang in the meantime. This was only provisional, because it would not be able to keep up at any track with 30 BHP less.
- I never insulted yoman or Mule. I simply asked why they quit, because we had some really good races afterwards. Jesus.
- and yeah I don't want people to rage quit when they get overtaken (like Johny), and then blame the reason why they got overtaken is because the person who overtook them has the best car. Especially when that person who overtakes them is me, who has dedicated a lot of hours into testing the cars. Especially when I took 30 BHP off because a few people were unhappy from Rome.
- Here's another fact, I've only done 1 lap below 2 minutes at GV. All the other cars can get into the 1:58's. This proves that with probably 20 BHP more it will be competitive. Remember, just because I won the previous race, doesn't mean that the Mustang has to have a lot less BHP. Ballast slows down people who get podiums but in the meanwhile, yes I will make minor alterations to the car. Thanks for asking.
- Johny apologised yesterday.
Any more problems, PM me.
I was going to get all the tyre wear testing done yesterday, but the comments on this thread didn't exactly give me the enthusiasm to get it done. So I'm finishing it off now...
