GT4 PAL Hands On! 16th UPDATE: FINAL PAL UPDATE

[cerbman1]

..and don't forget the Jaguars! (well except for that Ford abomination X-type)
I really can't stand front wheel drive, in the GT series or in real life.. Rear wheel drive is the only way to go! 👍

Cheers!

'well except for that Ford abomination X-type' That's quite an opinion, have you actually driven one? There is more Jaguar content in the X-type than people think, about 60% in fact. And anyway so what if that car does have some Ford content, the X is priced only a bit higher than the equivalent Mondeo, yet the Jag is a much better car. Ford/Jaguar isn't the only company to share components, it happens all over the world to most car companies.

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

What I am curious about the most, is who does the voice for the car testing. I've heard that on the Asian version, there was a person talking about the car you were testing out, and what things does he/she say?? This stickied in my mind from the moment I heard it and remembered it untill now. It's a VERY FUNNY FEATURE, so PLEASSE TELL ME??👍

 

[Darts]

Great news with the a-spec - b-spec back and forth possibility! Thanks alot Amar!
Save in mid race would probably be handy too but it doesn't look like we'll get it. Doesn't matter that much to me either way. I guess I wouldn't want to drive the same track for 24 h no matter how many sessions I can devide it up into. In my opinion it merely adds to what I would call realism that you let "other drivers" take over now and then in endurances.. Oh well.. I know there are people who are VERY opinionated about this so I guess I should point out, again, that this is MY PERSONAL take on it..

Thanks again! Keep it up! 👍

Cheers!

Oke, but this isfun, lets say ou drive 4 hours and the b-spec and additionall 6,5 or so, that rocks~!!!

 

[allsops]

Amar, does that 'pit window' come up in 2P mode as well (obviously without the ASpec-BSpec option, though...)?

 

[Sturdy]

Just a quick note for darts from an earlier post, when has gran turismo ever had cheats? never. so even if amar212 wanted to cheat, he couldnt. And if you suggest he uses some kinda code for a gameshark or whatever the ps2 equivelant is, erm, how is he gonna find out these codes to use as noone else has the PAL version of the game?
Just a note.

GT4 is going to rock, just got my DFP, am practising ready for the long, long hours of racing ahead of me.

 

[HYBRIDLVR]

Yes, GT has had cheats???

 

[snypa]

Quattro itself (as a normal 4WD option) is better than just RWD drive option (very common in BMW). You have 4 wheels that get power which means more grip in all conditions, car handles easier for a normal daily driver in critical situations and is much better. It's probobly not as fun as RWD (drifting ), but is better. Just wanted to say that.

I totally agree with you, Vipersan, minus 3 little points :

1. Don't forget that BMW makes also 4WD on 3 series, and that from the E30 325 IX, 1987 car. (they didn't do it for the E36, then again for the last E46). I can tell, as an owner of the 325 IX E30, that it's just excellent in every conditions, and, like you said, it really adds grip, control and security. I had a classic RWD E30 320 before, which required much much cool driving style on a rainy road. The mechanical viscocoupler of the 325 IX was equal, to the Audi systems. So Audi is not alone, and we have to include Subaru also. Can't say for the electronic system included on the latest E46.

2. The today RWD cars are much more efficient on a slippery road than before, thanks to the electronic controls. the time where FWD were supposed to be more secure than RWD for their drivers is over. That's the main reason why BMW can still provide RWD to their fortuned customers : their car provide a good feeling (front and rear charge are equivalent), without putting the driver in unconfortable situations. Of course, you still have to be aware, it's the same in every car.

3. the only weakness of 4WD is weight. It adds around 150kg, and as a result, the mass repartition isn't as fine as for a RWD. Another point, talking about sport driving, is that 4WD , if has a better grip, also has a much more violent reaction when you reach the grip limit. RWD starts to slip earlier, but it's easier to control then.

But generally speaking, for sure, 4WD sytems are the best for a safely, classic and every-day driving.

 

[Delirious]

wow...i know if i had a copy of GT4 now, i sure wouldnt be preoccupied with giving updates and taking pictures since that would take precious time away from my GT4 playing

 

[Consigliere]

'well except for that Ford abomination X-type' That's quite an opinion, have you actually driven one? There is more Jaguar content in the X-type than people think, about 60% in fact. And anyway so what if that car does have some Ford content, the X is priced only a bit higher than the equivalent Mondeo, yet the Jag is a much better car. Ford/Jaguar isn't the only company to share components, it happens all over the world to most car companies.

Yes that is quite an opinion. Mine to be exakt. I have driven it, both the 2,5 litre and the 3,0 litre. And sure, there is basically nothing wrong with the car. It's just that in MY opinion it's not a "real" jaguar. Once again, this according to MY views. If you don't agree, that's fine. 👍

I know almost all car companies do it aswell. My view is just that I think the old Jaguars were more appealing to me and the X-type is sort of the epitome of what I don't like about Jaguar today. I just prefer the cars that are built for a small number of people rather than for the big masses with all the compromises that means. Sorry for going so OT!

Cheers!

 

[HYBRIDLVR]

wow...i know if i had a copy of GT4 now, i sure wouldnt be preoccupied with giving updates and taking pictures since that would take precious time away from my GT4 playing

Helping is what GTP Is all about!!!👍

 

[Scaff]

Yes that is quite an opinion. Mine to be exakt. I have driven it, both the 2,5 litre and the 3,0 litre. And sure, there is basically nothing wrong with the car. It's just that in MY opinion it's not a "real" jaguar. Once again, this according to MY views. If you don't agree, that's fine. 👍

I know almost all car companies do it aswell. My view is just that I think the old Jaguars were more appealing to me and the X-type is sort of the epitome of what I don't like about Jaguar today. I just prefer the cars that are built for a small number of people rather than for the big masses with all the compromises that means. Sorry for going so OT!

Cheers!

I can understand prefering the old Jaguar's models, some of them are close to works of art. With the E-type being the finest looking car ever made (in my opinion), but I do need to pick up on a few points you make.

1. All Jaguar road cars built since the early '60s have been mass produced and it substantial volumes. Even the E-type was a car for the mass market, it was designed and built to be a cheap, fast roadster, over 70,000 were built in total.

2. The compromises you talk about mainly existed in the older cars, not the new models. The British Leyland problems of the '60's, 70's and '80's forced major cost cutting issues on Jaguars and the quality of components used (particularly in the electrics) was very poor. Reliability was a major issue for cars of this era, with the XJ range suffering particularly badly. Jaguar is now recognised as offering a very high quality products with little compromise and a good dealer network.

Point 2 can be bought home by the fact that a company in the UK will take an old XJ and totally rebuild it with higher quality components. Top Gear tested one and said that this was the car that the XJ always should have been, now that to me indicates that major compromises were taken with the original build.

 

[nightkid86]

Personally I think the new jags look like rebodied ford tarus's

 

[Gabkicks]

stupid website... i was really looking foward to drifting the Rwd Eclips....

 

[HYBRIDLVR]

Personally I think the new jags look like rebodied ford tarus's

Ya ever wondered why you don't see so many Old Jags on the road with a Jag engine in them, Because they had major over heating problems and the repair pricing was rediculous, The workmanship of the old cars is still remarkable But until they got bought out they had no reliablility!!!

 

[Consigliere]

I can understand prefering the old Jaguar's models, some of them are close to works of art. With the E-type being the finest looking car ever made (in my opinion), but I do need to pick up on a few points you make.

I'm sure your facts are quite right.. 👍 My opinion is mostly based on my particular "feel" for the car/model.. Right or wrong, it's highly subjective on my part..

It's basically that the X-type and (most of all) it's estate version is not what Jaguar means to me, just as the X5/X3 and the Cayenne aren't for BMW or Porsche. In my opinion they are better served with sticking to what they do best. If I want an offroad vehicle, I'll buy a Land Rover or similar, if I want an estate I'll buy a Volvo. Once again, sorry for this going so off topic. This might need it's own thread!

Cheers!

 

[Scaff]

I'm sure your facts are quite right.. 👍 My opinion is mostly based on my particular "feel" for the car/model.. Right or wrong, it's highly subjective on my part..

Cheers!

The facts are right, but don't get me wrong. On the whole I agree with you; my preference, looks and character wise I far prefer the older Jags.

The new models just look like cars someone much older that I would drive (I'm 34) and don't do anything for me at all. Give me an E-type however and I don't care how unreliable, uncomfortable or unrefined (by modern standards) it is, I would still have a total blast.

 

[vipersan]

I totally agree with you, Vipersan, minus 3 little points :

1. Don't forget that BMW makes also 4WD on 3 series, and that from the E30 325 IX, 1987 car. (they didn't do it for the E36, then again for the last E46). I can tell, as an owner of the 325 IX E30, that it's just excellent in every conditions, and, like you said, it really adds grip, control and security. I had a classic RWD E30 320 before, which required much much cool driving style on a rainy road. The mechanical viscocoupler of the 325 IX was equal, to the Audi systems. So Audi is not alone, and we have to include Subaru also. Can't say for the electronic system included on the latest E46.

2. The today RWD cars are much more efficient on a slippery road than before, thanks to the electronic controls. the time where FWD were supposed to be more secure than RWD for their drivers is over. That's the main reason why BMW can still provide RWD to their fortuned customers : their car provide a good feeling (front and rear charge are equivalent), without putting the driver in unconfortable situations. Of course, you still have to be aware, it's the same in every car.

3. the only weakness of 4WD is weight. It adds around 150kg, and as a result, the mass repartition isn't as fine as for a RWD. Another point, talking about sport driving, is that 4WD , if has a better grip, also has a much more violent reaction when you reach the grip limit. RWD starts to slip earlier, but it's easier to control then.

But generally speaking, for sure, 4WD sytems are the best for a safely, classic and every-day driving.

Compliments for very well written answer. I wrote my in general, but it's nice to see it was noticed. Yes, I know that BMW has 4WD cars (that is why I chose my words carefully ("very common in BMW" not just "BMW" ). You own 325 IX? That was exactly the car I had in mind when I was writing that, because my friend has the same one and I was able to drive it a bit and was really impressed. And we also can't forget the BMW X3 and X5 series as a 4WD vehicles. As for 2nd point, I agree, new cars are improved, but there is still a substantial market for used car without all smart electronics (I just had in my mind a picture of my friend's mother's BMW 318is, which she doesn't want to drive in wet and winter, because she spun once). In fact, the newer BMW are really neutral to drive, the main dangers of RWD are very well hidden with experienced suspension setup of new cars. I am also aware of the weight trouble for 4WD car (in my opinion the disadvantage is much closer to 100kg ) and it's handling in racing. That is why I tried to explain the advantages simple for common driver, with very little racing experience. Hell, my father has been driving quite a lot since he was 18, but still he had a lot of trouble few years ago, when the rear of his car chose other route on icy road. Thank you for your reminder!

PS: Is it only me, or are we drifting off-topic a bit? But still, it's a good conversation!

 

[cerbman1]

Yes that is quite an opinion. Mine to be exakt. I have driven it, both the 2,5 litre and the 3,0 litre. And sure, there is basically nothing wrong with the car. It's just that in MY opinion it's not a "real" jaguar. Once again, this according to MY views. If you don't agree, that's fine. 👍

I know almost all car companies do it aswell. My view is just that I think the old Jaguars were more appealing to me and the X-type is sort of the epitome of what I don't like about Jaguar today. I just prefer the cars that are built for a small number of people rather than for the big masses with all the compromises that means. Sorry for going so OT!

Cheers!

I too prefer the old Jags, I've owned 4, a 67 S-type and 3 S2 XJ6's, but at the same time if I were to buy a small modern executive car I would look first at British owned MG Rover, then at foreign owned, but still British made Jaguar because I prefer to look first at supporting our cars before I look at German or anything else. I would rather have 60% of a Jaguar than 100% of a BMW

 

[440 CHARGER]

So while the European PAL version (and hopefully the North American NTSC version) of GT4 get all of these updates and new cars and improvements, do you think that the Asian NTSC version players will get to trade in their old copy of GT4 for the one with all the updates??? I would think they would, because if I lived in Asia and didnt get the updated version, I would be ticked! I would think that KY would give his home country the best version of the game!

 

[B4TIST4]

So while the European PAL version (and hopefully the North American NTSC version) of GT4 get all of these updates and new cars and improvements, do you think that the Asian NTSC version players will get to trade in their old copy of GT4 for the one with all the updates??? I would think they would, because if I lived in Asia and didnt get the updated version, I would be ticked! I would think that KY would give his home country the best version of the game!

It maybe possible for a limited time. Then what PD would do with all the copies they received? I don't think that's possible cuz PD would lose so much money. If Japanese want the updated version then they should pay for it. That's my opinion.

 

[ragundy]

From A Spec to B Spec on pit stop... better resolution for the PAL game... great news, Amar!!! Thanks.

 

[HYBRIDLVR]

That is sweet info, That's more like team Racing being able to switch back and fourth, Nice find Amar!!! 👍 👍 👍

 

[Dave A]

No I can't see the Asian copies being traded for the updated versions, they got their copy first and were only getting thesee updates to try an appease the fans for having to wait 3 months longer than you guys after putting up with all the other delays and having that world release dropped.

 

[Hemmo]

haha it nice to be pal

 

[vipersan]

I suspect, that in some time, there will be even bigger update for asian version, so they'll be able to laugh then ... like a online addon or something ...

EDIT: for snypa's reply under here: Nice to chat with you too!

 

[snypa]

Compliments for very well written answer. I wrote my in general, but it's nice to see it was noticed. Yes, I know that BMW has 4WD cars (that is why I chose my words carefully ("very common in BMW" not just "BMW" ). You own 325 IX? That was exactly the car I had in mind when I was writing that, because my friend has the same one and I was able to drive it a bit and was really impressed. And we also can't forget the BMW X3 and X5 series as a 4WD vehicles. As for 2nd point, I agree, new cars are improved, but there is still a substantial market for used car without all smart electronics (I just had in my mind a picture of my friend's mother's BMW 318is, which she doesn't want to drive in wet and winter, because she spun once). In fact, the newer BMW are really neutral to drive, the main dangers of RWD are very well hidden with experienced suspension setup of new cars. I am also aware of the weight trouble for 4WD car (in my opinion the disadvantage is much closer to 100kg ) and it's handling in racing. That is why I tried to explain the advantages simple for common driver, with very little racing experience. Hell, my father has been driving quite a lot since he was 18, but still he had a lot of trouble few years ago, when the rear of his car chose other route on icy road. Thank you for your reminder!

PS: Is it only me, or are we drifting off-topic a bit? But still, it's a good conversation!

Hi Vipersan,

Thank you for answering, like you said, it’s nice to have such a conversation (if a bit offtopic ! ! but, anyway, it’s cool, I enjoy it ).
As for my 325 IX, unfortunately I had to sell it (to my wife’s father, so I can still use it sometimes ! ! ). This will surely be my best car ever, but damn, it takes around 14L/100km, just too hard when you drive 100km each day to go to work.
The story of your friend’s mother is quite typical I think. My first car was a Volvlo 360 GLT, 115Ps, RWD. Very good car, so robust, but you really had to know how to counterbalance it if wanted to drive a wet curve quite fast. The 320i I had then was worse, with 15PS more, it was slippering all the time, even in the straights sometimes ! !

Really, after having drove my 325IX, I asked my self why BMW didn’t sell more of this model, maybe because of its price, and limited availability (325 only).
Like you said, good supension settings can make a big difference, even without electronic control. I’ve heard and read several compliments about the M3 E30, which was 200PS or more and RWD. The chassis was really different than other 3 series, and the handling had been much improved. Never had the chance to drive it, but maybe one day…..

To conlude, you underlined that 4WD is a « must have » for 95% of regular driver and you’re right, every person who drove a 4WD in wet condition will agree with it. The others just don’t know yet…

Nice talking with you,

Snypa

 

[Darts]

I think what you're saying is true, this new save feature will just take getting use to although it has advantages and disadvantages. Not being able to test drive a car I do not see as a major issue imo , as i didnt use that hugely although others may test drive most cars they buy i didn't. however with possibility of game data corrupting then that it is a worry.

👍

Amar can you please tell us if there will pop up a "i am now saving screen" if the game is saving?

 

[Darts]

Why would he have to spoil the game for himself? What's the fun in knowing everything in just a couple of seconds?

I'm happy he's going slow on updates, then there are still some surprises when the game comes out. It's exciting this way.

Be patient. You'll have already waited more then 2 years for the game. A couple of days wouldn't be so hard, would it? Anyway, keep up the good work amar212

Sorry, you are right.

 

[Darts]

I suspect, that in some time, there will be even bigger update for asian version, so they'll be able to laugh then ... like a online addon or something ...

EDIT: for snypa's reply under here: Nice to chat with you too!

Yes, but then they have alreday finished the game, so its not much fun, and they have to pay twice, so whos laughing?.
We get the improved version right from the moment we start playing GT4

 

[MailMan]

Dart, you could in theory use the Edit button