GT4 vs Forza [Let the battle begin]
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I do enjoy GT4, I'm addictedcode_kev
but compared to other sims the physics are bad, real suspension doesn't work like it does in GT4. Watch some cars driving at high speed on a bumpy road in real life, you'll notice the body bounces and waves way more than in GT4.
Also the tyres in GT4 may have the same griplevels as real tyres when driving but as soon as you start sliding or spinning them they'll act totally unrealistic.
cobragt
bahaha... love it... no, it's just that when I read a post about how "beautiful" GT4 is in comparrison, I think to myself, "How?" it isn't in track detail, check out many pictures (the only one i've seen so far is the bridgestone tire turn of tsukuba, where Forza has a misplaced distant fence (large fence) and the radio/light tower is horribly inacurate) and you can just see that buildings have far better poly's themselves... so, then I notice one thing... GT4 is a very, VERY vibrant looking game... perhaps it's the color oozing out of every scene that fools people into thinking it's a superior looking game? where as isn't the object to go for accuracy rather than appeal? isn't the appeal supposed to be in the game's "claimed" accurately depicted tracks?... then there's the people like Claret_Mad who make ignorant, scratch that, blatantly stupid posts showing off his/her pop culture upbringing buying into hype and blowing off any form of logicGuyNamedJohn
What irks me about people saying how realistic the cars are, is that most of the time, they do not think to themselves, "PD used images from real cars to paste onto their models... as opposed to forza dev team using CGI to create custom colored renders." So of course the cars are not going to look as real... why would/should that even be considered a negative thing? so rather than praising Forza Motorsport for offering custom colored, detailed to user likings, much higher poly count to add to the realism of vehicles details (rims, lights, etc.), CGI vehicles, in which anyone can make any car his/her own; people complain about the plastic-y look and that it doesn't have too much gloss, as they prefer from GT4's photomode...
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The reason that GPL and GTR (and F355 Challenge on Dreamcast before it) all tanked in sales is precisely because of their levels of realism.
We mustn't get sucked into equating realism *necessarily* with fun (Pak & kev I know you're not confusing the two; this is really for others who might).
I learned this long ago - ya love what you play and play what you love. I really don't give a rat's ass how GT4 holds up to some physics litmus test.
Seriously, I don't.
read me: I do not confuse fysics with phun.
As such, I'd much rather be playing Gran Turismo than any full-on simulation. Why. Because I have learned that for my dollar it's more fun. Excuse me - phun. And you know what? If it looks real enough and it feels real enough; and the replays rule? And if I enjoy it? Then, DONE. It's a hit in my house.
This is also why I have expressed concerns over the enjoyability (new word?
) of Forza. It's a bit steeper to be sure.
We mustn't get sucked into equating realism *necessarily* with fun (Pak & kev I know you're not confusing the two; this is really for others who might).
I learned this long ago - ya love what you play and play what you love. I really don't give a rat's ass how GT4 holds up to some physics litmus test.
Seriously, I don't.read me: I do not confuse fysics with phun.
As such, I'd much rather be playing Gran Turismo than any full-on simulation. Why. Because I have learned that for my dollar it's more fun. Excuse me - phun.
And you know what? If it looks real enough and it feels real enough; and the replays rule? And if I enjoy it? Then, DONE. It's a hit in my house.This is also why I have expressed concerns over the enjoyability (new word?
) of Forza. It's a bit steeper to be sure.- 26
Me & several mates played GT4 yestarday & one of them who has driven in several track day events said this about the game. Anyway he said that the physics in GT4 are virtually spot on as far as handling goes but that the engine physics were off. By this he meant that the fact that there is no clutch makes it a little difficult to control the power as you would in a real car. He used the need to keep the revs up as his main point, in a real car you may need to keep the revs at a higer point in a race situation so that you loose as little momentum as possible, In GT4 its harder to do this. There was a mission in mission hall around New yourk in an old car from the 60's & if the revs dropped below 4000Rpm it would take forever for them to go back up. The best way around this is to use a combination of Throttle & Left Foof braking but my mate said that in a RL car he would use the clutch rather than the brakes to achive this.
GT4 because it's more fun, and I'm not a huge sim fan myself. I abhoar NFSU and other fake racing games, but I can't stand shallow, perfectly realistic games like any Nascar or F1 game, haha. The GT series has it locked, and Forza has a lot of reputation to build before it ever has my vote. Period.
Tony
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How about checking out Forza compared to the real track.Woe not bad not bad at all. I like it at least.Schue7683
play the real world vs forza vid.
http://gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=457
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GT has been around and captured hearts of millions, and I dont know what forzacan do about it, so its a stright win for gt again from me.
Well, to me, realism = more fun.GuyNamedJohnThe reason that GPL and GTR (and F355 Challenge on Dreamcast before it) all tanked in sales is precisely because of their levels of realism.
We mustn't get sucked into equating realism *necessarily* with fun (Pak & kev I know you're not confusing the two; this is really for others who might).
I learned this long ago - ya love what you play and play what you love. I really don't give a rat's ass how GT4 holds up to some physics litmus test.
read me: I do not confuse fysics with phun.
As such, I'd much rather be playing Gran Turismo than any full-on simulation. Why. Because I have learned that for my dollar it's more fun. Excuse me - phun.
This is also why I have expressed concerns over the enjoyability (new word?
I love GT4, it's a fun game, but if it had a good physics engine I would love it so much more and it would have near infinite replay value for me.
I think the reason why those games you mentioned all tanked in sales is because there are no good driving aids to make driving with a joypad easier. Also because they don't have the variety and simplicity that GT4 has.
It's not just because those games have good physics engines.
I play with a DFPPuTTe_TuTTeand how many of you that say the feeling in GT4 is bad have DFP to drive it with? you must have that to feel it... i think it's bad with the DS2 but with the DFP it feels... awesome
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Can I just say that the people who compare it to NFSU2 are pretty dumb. Hmm I wonder if they would compare GT5 to NFSU2 if that had Forza style customisation...no, they would orgasm over it "OMG GT5 HAZ FULL CUZTOMIZATION!!111!!11! OMG OMG I LUV YOU PD , HAVE MY BABIES KY"!!!11!"
BW AHAHAHHA, what a load of bollocks, captured the hearts of millions, this sounds like the kind of crap they say on sappy news stories, what next, "the peoples racing game"? Get a grip man, and stop being bloody stupid. I'm sorry but your lame.
What does reputation have to do with making a good game? Nothing. Look at GT3, a pile of crap, yet Gt4 is great.
BW AHAHAHHA, what a load of bollocks, captured the hearts of millions, this sounds like the kind of crap they say on sappy news stories, what next, "the peoples racing game"? Get a grip man, and stop being bloody stupid. I'm sorry but your lame.
What does reputation have to do with making a good game? Nothing. Look at GT3, a pile of crap, yet Gt4 is great.
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im curious, the people in here, that are complaining about GT4 physics engine and suspension even good at the game? How many golds do you have?
Im dont drive real cars, but GT4 is the best racing sim ive ever played, the suspension and physics may not be "perfect" but they are bloody good. You can use real life techniques to gain faster lap times in GT4, that is brillaint.
I havent played Forza so i cant pass any judgement on it, but some of you guys are a bit harsh on GT4.
Im dont drive real cars, but GT4 is the best racing sim ive ever played, the suspension and physics may not be "perfect" but they are bloody good. You can use real life techniques to gain faster lap times in GT4, that is brillaint.
I havent played Forza so i cant pass any judgement on it, but some of you guys are a bit harsh on GT4.
PakWell, to me, realism = more fun.
I love GT4, it's a fun game, but if it had a good physics engine I would love it so much more and it would have near infinite replay value for me.
I think the reason why those games you mentioned all tanked in sales is because there are no good driving aids to make driving with a joypad easier. Also because they don't have the variety and simplicity that GT4 has.
It's not just because those games have good physics engines.
I dont see how you can say gt4 has anything other than a good physics system?
kinigitt
well more realistic isnt what forza or gt4 is about? if you want full blown dull simulations look for pc sims instead
Im glad gt4 struck a very good balance, i have the gtr demo and it is great for playing in short bursts but its very boring 👎 i have more fun driving cars in gt4 than any other racing title and to me thats far more important
i dont sit in a real car and worry about how the brake and tyre temps are, i want to drive a car and have fun which is what gt4 captures so well
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I don't understand how anyone could say GTR is boring. If anything, GT4 and Forza are "boring" compared to it. It's an adrenaline rush that requires you to stay on your toes at all times. GT4 is 80% slogging through dull races to acquire a new car, 10% tuning and 10% exciting races.
That's why I just do time trials.
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kinigitt
i may have to agree with you there on the fact that the races are bit boring. hence why i do wrs and gold licenses, but if you dont think driving the ring in under 7:30 isnt fun/exiting you need to be shot.
GT4 is gonna be so much fun racing in wrs.
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