GT4 WRS Week 153 : Opel Speedster @ Clubman Stage Route 5

[Quiksilver_GT]

LUXY

Toronado, I don't know you so better let us know your WRS qually status and I'll put your splits in the board 👍

Quik/Steve: well done mate, don't drive too fast consistantly or you'll be out of Div2 before you know it

Toronado seems to be in Division2 as it shows in the qualifier...

Lol no need to bowdown im only human

 

[KLR142]

Or actually, I may have time right after work tomorrow night before I head out for the evening. We'll see.

Heh, damn, not as much time as I want or need. I'm going to do like two-five laps and post my splits, assuming they're clean. Gotta run! *sigh*

Ok, OK, Stan. Apart from "what's good for the car" , "what's good for you" and "what's good for the track". What have the Romans ever done for us?

Gooood question.

EDIT: Heh, nothing clean...

 

[01GTP]

New splits. I ran another ton of laps, car has over 300 miles now. Its getting easier.
22.355
39.679

 

[imfaster2!]

first go for me...

21.308
38.084

trying some different setups but nothing seems rock solid yet...if it will at all.

 

[holl01]

It's amazing what you can get out of this car with more or less default settings. 👍

I assume you drifted most of your way around the track?

yeah, but not every corner, the fast chcikane before t2 for instance needs smooth exit so drifting is not ideal there, but the first corner is the main drifting corner

I actually used the speedster '00, not the turbo lol, so i ran some more laps with the appropriate car and sadly the standard suspension is pretty lame, so I left the racing suspension setings pretty much unchanged accept for lowering the ride height to under 100, and the gears auto 6- no lsd, tcs, asm or brake balance controller. suprisingly the splits are slower and the final time some .8 slower than the standard non turbo speedster

20.571
36.927

my settings need alot of work though...👍

 

[Perfect Balance]

Finally found some settings that work. The car is predictable now, it's just hard to string together a quick lap.

Still need some work on 2 of the corners, but my splits have improved.

T1: 21.012
T2: 38.031

And as soon as I found some good settings, the frustration is gone, and I'm enjoying this week. 👍

Woot!

EDIT: Although you can imagine how badly I want to break those second barriers!

 

[steven]

new board

I totally seem to have forgotten to include Wayne's splits on the board. Sorry! (only human). Fixed.
If anyone ever misses his (her? for Sammy and Kelly) splits please PM me and I'll fix it ASAP.

 

[gtbadboy]

My usual pre-breakfast routine has yielded a very slight improvement but picked up a nice bit at the line.

21.945
39.429

broke a 38.xxx but found a wall.

Still not sure I need to tinker with this set-up just yet as I believe there's more out there. Time will tell.

 

[nurburgring]

After 200 miles, I hate this car as much as I love the Miata (speaking of Handling, not power). As soon as the rear is sliding, I have a very very hard time to keep it not bouncing to a wall...

And tuning a Miata is a lot more fun than tuning this one: I made some dramatic different set-ups without seeing any particular differences in handling. And the best times I did weren't not even a half second (lap time) different than with no upgrade at all (except the turbo)...

That was kind frustrating for me. Not my car at all.

So here we go:

T1: 22.774
T2: 40.775

with DFP, as always.

I'm not sure I will have any time left this week-end to try again...

In the leaderboard, why is there any final laptime at all about the previous WRS?
I would like to know that because I want to see if I am anywhere good or quite near the ''leaders''...

 

[Tornado]

Curse trap 1. I can get great times out of it, but then I'm distracted by the time when it comes up and screw up my braking.

 

[01GTP]

In the leaderboard, why is there any final laptime at all about the previous WRS?
I would like to know that because I want to see if I am anywhere good or quite near the ''leaders''...

I think this is your answer.
The leaderboard is only for t times.
The final lap times are posted in the Unofficial/Official Results threads. Previous weeks are in the Archives.

If this doesn't answer your question, just say so...

 

[2078TM]

The finger's healing so I decided to go for a spin

21.980 / 39.537

The car seems to be little unaffected by setup changes but changing most everything seems to reduce the snap oversteer and reduce understeer on entry a small amount. Running with Stage 3 weight reduction but no cage.

Still a work in progress, but none of these changes have made it worse:
dropped ride height (90/95) - seems to aid turn-in and cornering
at the rear I softened the springs (5.0) - not much difference
shocks (4/6) - the idea being to minimize the unloading of the rear off-throttle - seems to help
increased camber (3.0) - the car seems pretty immune to changes here
and changed toe (-2, I think) - I forget if its +2 or -2 but I tried both and there was a noticeable difference in rear stability.
brakes to 2/4 - the single largest impact out of all these changes - makes a significant difference in allowing later braking and improved turn-in.

I'll see how much I can improve it from this point, but at the end of the day it is still an understeering, tail-happy car

Have not touched the full racing trans or the LSD

 

[OnlyMe]

Two short sessions gave me a total mileage of just over 100 km and these splits:

T1: 21.855
T2: 39.119

 

[arora]

It takes a few to get used to this one but I've always been a sucker for the small mr's

I Tinkered with all sorts of stuff and came to a few conclusions; I don't care much for aids, lsd, racing brakes, or the roll cage. It could be a jeti mind trick but I don't like a light flywheel either. Still messin with springs etc...

I have t2's from 37.92 - 38.28 with times at the line within .005 of each other the most fun for me is to just drift around and not worrie about the times so much.

After a few laps I snaped a shot.

 

[steven]

lux'd

 

[nurburgring]

I think this is your answer.
The leaderboard is only for t times.
The final lap times are posted in the Unofficial/Official Results threads. Previous weeks are in the Archives.

If this doesn't answer your question, just say so...

Thanks to you, very useful answer...

lux'd

Hum, there is something wrong with the times you wrote in front of my username...


BTW, I would like to congratulate the people who created and continue to maintain the WRS, it is a very well done and a very attractive formula !

 

[Perfect Balance]

How will power loss be taken into account?

On the replay screen I had 266hp, and 270in the garage and I KNOW I did an oil change in this car, it was the first car I had bought, and I put a roll cage on it, and I double checked the power. The car had over 200 miles on it when this lap was run.

If I buy a new speedster and do a stage 3 turbo, without the oil change it was 270 in the garage.

Could 200 miles do this to the car that had an oil change originally? I just ran a really fast lap and I'll have trouble doing it again.

EDIT: I've just put a turbo with an oil change with b spec bob behind the wheel on the test course. Man I really hope it loses that much power. I'm 100% sure I did an oil change, because I checked the power before heading off.

EDIT #2: YESS!!!! Wow what a relief!

With 221.9 miles, after running it around the test track 33 times, the car has 270hp in the garage. A 14hp loss.


Now, for my new splits:

T1: 20.926
T2: 37.789

Woot!

EDIT #3: So I just noticed that hp loss isn't taken into account in the replay screen, so 266hp it is.

 

[steven]

Hum, there is something wrong with the times you wrote in front of my username...

fixed

 

[01GTP]

How will power loss be taken into account?

I know if you run the car for a while you will lose power and need another oil change. If you run the car a lot you will have to buy a new one as the loss of power can not be regained. That happened to me on the last GT mode race at High Speed Ring in the Ford GT.

As for the different displays of power, they are all differently displayed according to where you are viewing those numbers.

I have a question about the rigidity though. If you crash the car a number of times, do you need to get a refresher. I'm really asking if it has to do with crashing or just regular racing/driving. I would believe once it is available it should be used.

As tuning goes, the car is terrible in the rear end so I'm tuning it to keep the rear end in the rear. I'm trying to get the rear wheels planted on acceleration, while having the ability to keep the car straight under braking. It seems shifting the weight through springs and shocks helps. I used a bit of weight balance, but returned it to default, as it didn't help the car on braking. I'm not sure what I'm doing exactly, but the tuning guide did help me understand what I need to do.


EDIT: gtbadboy's times should be in the LUXY as
21.945
39.429

 

[gtbadboy]

I appreciate the effort made by our Luxy board team but, while your correcting my time as posted by 01GTP you may as well update it:

21.910
39.358

Gone for the weekend, will return to action Monday afternoon

 

[Perfect Balance]

I know if you run the car for a while you will lose power and need another oil change. If you run the car a lot you will have to buy a new one as the loss of power can not be regained. That happened to me on the last GT mode race at High Speed Ring in the Ford GT.

As for the different displays of power, they are all differently displayed according to where you are viewing those numbers.

I have a question about the rigidity though. If you crash the car a number of times, do you need to get a refresher. I'm really asking if it has to do with crashing or just regular racing/driving. I would believe once it is available it should be used.

As tuning goes, the car is terrible in the rear end so I'm tuning it to keep the rear end in the rear. I'm trying to get the rear wheels planted on acceleration, while having the ability to keep the car straight under braking. It seems shifting the weight through springs and shocks helps. I used a bit of weight balance, but returned it to default, as it didn't help the car on braking. I'm not sure what I'm doing exactly, but the tuning guide did help me understand what I need to do.


EDIT: gtbadboy's times should be in the LUXY as
21.945
39.429

The rigidity refresher becomes available after a certain amount of miles. I remember I did the nurburgring race in my minolta and it felt really loose and sloppy after that event, turns out I needed to do a refresh.

The hp in the replay is always 266hp though, so it doesn't really matter if you lose power, since it will still be correct in the replay. Mine had 270 in the garage, and went back up to 284 when I did another oil change. Coincidently, 270 is how much hp this car has without an oil change, so I was freaking out, thinking I had just run for 3 hours straight without the right settings.

As for tuning, I got fed up with the car going from understeer to oversteer and back to understeer and stuff, so I just made the suspension really really stiff.

And it worked, the car was much more predictable, it didn't do anything weird or unexpected. I wasn't getting as frustrated trying to drive it, not to mention I could drive it more effectively.

 

[CMir]

I made some changes to my setup:
No aids
Springs 15.0/15.5
Height 85/90
Camber 2.0/0.5
Stabilisers 7/5

Splits:
21.083
38.093 (messed this sector)
My goal is 0.3 away from this.

Perfect Balance, great going there 👍

 

[Perfect Balance]

I made some changes to my setup:
No aids
Springs 15.0/15.5
Height 85/90
Camber 2.0/0.5
Stabilisers 7/5

These are somewhat close to my settings.

I have less camber in the front and more in the rear, and my dampers are all set to 10.

I'm not telling the exact settings though. These settings are what let me shave over a second off my final lap-time, so I'll be keeping them to myself for now.

 

[arora]

My best save has...

21.445
38.028

chasing a dirty 37.82

 

[esh]

What's up with the lack of D1 representation?

 

[steven]

I appreciate the effort made by our Luxy board team but, while your correcting my time as posted by 01GTP you may as well update it

The Luxy update team says you're welcome

I know if you run the car for a while you will lose power and need another oil change. I have a question about the rigidity though. If you crash the car a number of times, do you need to get a refresher. I'm really asking if it has to do with crashing or just regular racing/driving. I would believe once it is available it should be used.

The oil thingy starts to light up after about 100 miles indicating that you should visit the funny little man that crawls under your car (and comes out from the rear end if it's a 4wd car). When it has done a multitude of that it starts decreasing in power that you can only resolve by buying a new one i'm afraid.

Board updated including Ron's new t's 👍 EDIT updated up to post 121 127

 

[georgetheracer]

Finally got some clean laps in.

22.749
42.069

 

[EDK]

Finally got some clean laps in.

Good to see you in here George, same here.

My first splits to report, with plenty of room for improvement -

22.170
40.017

Back for more later.


Kevin

 

[arora]

Chip'n away, watching my replays there seems to be lots of easy time to grab here and there but I loose patience and go with the super slide

21.111
37.838

 

[holl01]

What's up with the lack of D1 representation?

good call, where are you hugo, mrP sphinx?? no improvments or attempts over the weekend, time submitted, with better settings i may have been able to crack a certain second barrier, but not to be:tup: