GT4 WRS Week 27: "Formula For Success"

[Jump_Ace]

Board updated.



Not a problem Honey ... the AMC is meant to be an easy series ... come in and have fun when time and life permits ... I'm breathing down no ones neck to see them put in times every week

Thanks for the comments and I look forward to seeing you on the narrow streets of Citta di Aria 👍

There's a reason why Aria rhymes with Hysteria IMO.... Great challenge that track is

jump_ace

 

[eggmann]

Weird.. I always thought Aria rhymed with papaya....
Cool combo you got here, Todd. I'll try it.

 

[VTRacing]

First clean race:

T1: 16.963
T2: 46.857

T1: 10.852
T2: 40.470

Stock settings apart from rear toe at -3

 

[fasj6418]

decided to post quickly so i can get to the leaderboard before veil, ben and others...

first completed race:

T1 - 17´282
T2 - 46´379

T1 - 10´814
T2 - 38´897

teire wear is not a problem, the only thing i didn´t like was the stand still start, so those splits are with the crappy TCS on... (makes the car at least 1 sec slower, but good to get used to the car)

lots of fun this week, looks like its going to be good for me...

 

[Jump_Ace]

Well so far I like the title best of all this week. Its coming together, got a clean race in, but not ready for action just yet as on my practice laps I am a whole second behind Fabio with a 39.0xx at T2, so work is needed before I progress.

jump_ace

 

[Kolyana]

decided to post quickly so i can get to the leaderboard before veil, ben and others...

Better get you updated then, hadn't I?

 

[Kolyana]

All right, just took her for a spin and my splits aren't too bad considering my first night is always by far my worst. Couple of questions to the geniuses out there:

1. I'm running a TCS of 1 ... required or not?

2. I'm starting off in 2nd gear ... good or bad?

3> Any hints and tips for getting a good start?

4> How the HELL do you stop the back end on this thing from going all over the place?

EDIT: Perhaps someone will be kind enough to tell me how I'm meant to be driving this course? My T1 is good, my T2 is waaaaaaaaay off the pace, so I'm hitting some corners here all a$$ over t!t.

 

[GT3mich]

1. I'm running a TCS of 1 ... required or not?

2. I'm starting off in 2nd gear ... good or bad?

3> Any hints and tips for getting a good start?

4> How the HELL do you stop the back end on this thing from going all over the place?

1. Not enough. try 5
2. With TCS start in 1st gear.
3. Read 2
4. Set up. You will have to change the car significantly to be competitive.

L1/T2/46.400
L2/T2/40.142 👎

I drove the second lap conservative trying to get 2 clean laps together. The walls are close at these speeds.

 

[Drift260Z]

Yo 260 (I have a '74 myself that I plan on putting an SR20DET into),

What times are you posting? Hotlap practice times?

Also, are we posting final first lap times like in previous multilap races or not?

Finally, I still haven't seen if we're supposed to be running with tire wear or not... Help anyone??

-SHig

ooo, nice. but man an SR20? I'm not saying it's a bad engine, but for traditions sake, don't put a 4-cylinder where a straight 6 belongs. I was just posting practice laps. I haven't started my actualy times. I don't think tire wear matters.






rock.

 

[MinorShunt]

First clean splits

L1/17.219/46.468
L2/10.787/39.622

Forgive me for saying so, but this thing handles like a pig in race mode as compared to practice mode. The setup was COMPLETELY different. Wasted a whole hour fine-tuning in hotlap.

So back to the drawing board and start over on the setup. On the bright side, this comp is going to prove to be highly addictive!

@Koly. Try this. It's still a WIP, but it's stable. Set your aids at 3/1/1 and start in 2nd. U will have time to pass the first car and get over to the left for first turn. Set LSD @ 15/40/20. Set the rear toe angle at 3. BB @ 4/3. DF full except back off the front wing a couple clicks to get thru the hi speed chicane better. I'm using auto 15 with 7th stretched a tad.

 

[Jump_Ace]

All right, just took her for a spin and my splits aren't too bad considering my first night is always by far my worst. Couple of questions to the geniuses out there:

1. I'm running a TCS of 1 ... required or not?

2. I'm starting off in 2nd gear ... good or bad?

3> Any hints and tips for getting a good start?

4> How the HELL do you stop the back end on this thing from going all over the place?

EDIT: Perhaps someone will be kind enough to tell me how I'm meant to be driving this course? My T1 is good, my T2 is waaaaaaaaay off the pace, so I'm hitting some corners here all a$$ over t!t.

I on the other hand say 1 is fine if not too much, if u can possibly do it, run with no tcs, but do it later in the week, first try to nail it with tcs 1 on. As for a start I start in 2nd with the throttle right at the little dash mark, then as my rpms drop a little the throttle increases to about 75% and then shift into 3rd, then I can pretty much floor it from there, I have my AI at -10 to pass them easier btw. Generally when the back end spins out like the chicane just b4 t2, its been my experience that I am turning too much, or too long. Another tip with the back end is to feather the throttle just a hair to like 90% (and those punks using a dfp its way easier I hear) just b4 the turn; again like the t2 chicane. I havent changed much to the car yet tonight, just running my suspension soft and lsd at 5's all around, will tinker a little bit more tho. And my tranny is at 15 and I pushed the final gear out just a littel to prevent my rpms from bouncing.
And it may be a good idea to try whatever MinorShunt has as well.

jump_ace

 

[bbq0801]

I gotta get back into this... i still have no way to save replays, although i doubt id need it this week

 

[Kolyana]

@minor' and Jump ... thanks for the tips guys, I'll try that tomorrow. I have been starting in THIRD gear and noticed an improvement at T1 of about .5, but then I may have been hitting the first corner better and my throttle control is pretty cr@p at the moment, so I'll work on it.

'Shunt, thanks for the rough settings ... for me anything is better than nothing, especially with the LSD .. I have no idea what I'm doing with that

 

[KLR142]

Time to get started! I'll see what I can manage and start out with Minor's settings... Thanks man!

 

[fasj6418]

All right, just took her for a spin and my splits aren't too bad considering my first night is always by far my worst. Couple of questions to the geniuses out there:

1. I'm running a TCS of 1 ... required or not?

2. I'm starting off in 2nd gear ... good or bad?

3> Any hints and tips for getting a good start?

4> How the HELL do you stop the back end on this thing from going all over the place?

EDIT: Perhaps someone will be kind enough to tell me how I'm meant to be driving this course? My T1 is good, my T2 is waaaaaaaaay off the pace, so I'm hitting some corners here all a$$ over t!t.

well, what worked for me was:

1- so far, running with aids at 0/0/1, that´s enough, but that´s just until i get used to the car, because top times always come with TCS off...

2- me too, even with TCS on, i start in second, change to 3rd at 147...

4- just have to get used, with the DFP i think its a little easier, just have to be careful while turning, in some turns i just turn the stick a bit, if you try to stear to much, it´s gone...

btw, with that setup i change the LSD to 5/5/5

best sector times so far were a 46´0 and a 38´2, but not completed, i really liked the first day of this one, seems like i´m doing something right...

 

[veilsidebr]

Did a 300 km shakedown in practice mode right now. Could beat my old time for almost a whole second, and there´s yet 0.2 left, altough i didn´t get a clean lap.

I was mostly trying to see where i could go, my best T1 was a 10.2 with plenty of 10.3´s.
The T2 part i could make my best shot into the 36.3xx range, but i was mostly doing the 36.4´s and .5´s. If i nail the whole lap, im sure i can chase my old GT3 lap for not that much close, i think beating that time is just in arcade mode.

I will try the 2 laps race tomorrow, after geting a clean lap on practice mode.

 

[KLR142]

Absolutely pathetic. Just finished my first hour session for this week. My LAST race was my ONLY clean one. And it was close enough in two places that I know of that I need to check it anyway. And then in one spot I almost lost it again. I hate it. Then I didn't save the replay, hit the wrong button... Oh well. I don't know if I'll be competing this week, as it took me so freaking long to put together two clean laps back to back. Not to mention they sucked royally. Whatever, gnight!

 

[shockwaveracing]

will give it a crack later on... my involvement will be a little limited this week due to me moving house... but i will still give it a crack...

 

[GTmaniac]

Did a 300 km shakedown in practice mode right now. Could beat my old time for almost a whole second, and there´s yet 0.2 left, altough i didn´t get a clean lap.

I was mostly trying to see where i could go, my best T1 was a 10.2 with plenty of 10.3´s.
The T2 part i could make my best shot into the 36.3xx range, but i was mostly doing the 36.4´s and .5´s. If i nail the whole lap, im sure i can chase my old GT3 lap for not that much close, i think beating that time is just in arcade mode.

I will try the 2 laps race tomorrow, after geting a clean lap on practice mode.

I strongly belive that you will always go faster in free run then in actual race because in the race you have fuel in your car which makes you slower!To test it I just drove 1 lap in free run and beaten my best lap2 race time by one second with no problems! 👍

 

[TimBrad]

The bane of my existence in this is THIS damn corner, too much throttle you spin, not enough you lose time, this is the corner that makes or breaks my laps, feathering the gas is a MUST here.

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[VTRacing]

GTManiac is correct.

Cars in GT4 always go better with no fuel in them. Unfortunately this does not accurately model real life

 

[MisterWeary]

Well let's see if I can put something better together this week. A few months back I went on a quest to get a scorching lap around the ring in the F1 and so I'm sticking with the settings that were recommended to me for that. If you want to give them a crack they can be found here. It makes the car really touchy under deceleration though so you gotta get on the gas as soon as the back pops. Here are my splits anyway:

T1: 0'17.477
T2: 0'47.932
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T1: 0'11.143
T2: 0'41.637

There's still a few seconds in it for me but we'll see how it goes 👍

 

[VEXD]

Kent, im always pleased to see you, and there is no sarcasm involved in that statement, honestly.

I personally hate this bloody slide round the switchback, on the back section of the course.

I tried stiffer springs, and tcs, and no joy, and im disappointed with my progress.

In fact, for the first time in a while, i had to drive my civic round the ring to calm down.

Any advice on how to eliminate this quick and fateful skip into the wall that good ole Timbrad has mentioned would be greatly appreciated.

I hear downforce on the front needs to be reduced, thanx to whoever typed that, i will try it later.

👍
Kent, seriously man, glad to see you.

 

[ekstrak]

For the Driving Force Pro crew:

I havent quite got the car yet so i dunno if this happens automatically but shouldnt we setup the wheel so its turn is limited to the 200 degrees setting? This would mimic the style of a proper F1 wheel better no... ?

 

[CFM]

A quick tip for people having trouble with spinning out:

The Formula 1 car is unique in GT4 as it is the only car to come standard with a negative toe setting for the rear wheels. (Wheels pointing away from each other) In fact the stock toe setting is something crazy like -6. This causes the car to turn very fast but it is highly unstable, resulting in spinning out when slowing down under braking. Set the rear toe angle to zero and then try a lap or two, you should notice a big difference. If you want to increase stability even more change it to a positive setting of 1 or 2. Any more than +2 is a waste really however. Once you get a feel for how this setting works, find the happy medium where the car acts repsonsively but is not out of control, you should be a happy camper. You can do the same for the fronts also. It is a useful setting to remember for all cars to adjust how easily each end of a car turns into the corners. After that, only a cuople dozen more settings to play with and adjust and you'll be golden.

 

[Randymcchickenf]

^^^Cheers CFM

 

[eggmann]

For the Driving Force Pro crew:

I havent quite got the car yet so i dunno if this happens automatically but shouldnt we setup the wheel so its turn is limited to the 200 degrees setting? This would mimic the style of a proper F1 wheel better no... ?

It doesn't happen automatically, thankfully. If you can control the car (or any cars) with 200° steering, go for it. I find it terribly choppy and nearly impossible.

 

[T13R]

All right, just took her for a spin and my splits aren't too bad considering my first night is always by far my worst. Couple of questions to the geniuses out there:

1. I'm running a TCS of 1 ... required or not?

2. I'm starting off in 2nd gear ... good or bad?

3> Any hints and tips for getting a good start?

4> How the HELL do you stop the back end on this thing from going all over the place?

EDIT: Perhaps someone will be kind enough to tell me how I'm meant to be driving this course? My T1 is good, my T2 is waaaaaaaaay off the pace, so I'm hitting some corners here all a$$ over t!t.

1. I'm running without because it really is that much faster than having even TCS at 1
2. I'm starting off in 3rd gear without the TCS and I'm getting all the traction I need
3. Go easy on the revs or you'll easily spin out even in 3rd gear.
4. In the downward right/left before T2 you'll notice that the entry is very easy, and the exit also. And it's usually on the exit where you steer left that you spin out. So what I'm doing is gently taping left on my ds2. So I exit wide to the right which almost makes it seem like I almost didn't steer left at all for that corner. When I did this I was still using completely stock settings, and that includes the ridiculous toe out setting of -6. Just gotta be easy on the steering, but no need to ease off the gas.

Just my .02 cents from what I've learned so far.

@Veilside: Thanks for finally putting up a reference for me to chase 👍

 

[jase86]

thanks for the tip t13r... atm no clean laps! ZILCH! that silly corner... oh wells...

had t1s of 16.7 and 10.7 (should hopefully go faster)
T2s of 47 and 40 [whats happening here ]

anyhow.. never manage to get a clean lap... meh....

I love this car as much as i hate it.. go figure... darn it....



~~~~ Jase

 

[CFM]

thanks for the tip t13r... atm no clean laps! ZILCH! that silly corner... oh wells...

had t1s of 16.7 and 10.7 (should hopefully go faster)
T2s of 47 and 40 [whats happening here ]

anyhow.. never manage to get a clean lap... meh....

I love this car as much as i hate it.. go figure... darn it....



~~~~ Jase

Reduce the rear toe setting and you'll probably find getting clean laps will be a bit easier...if not I'll give you your money back.