GT4 WRS Week 45 : "WRS 3rd Anniversary"

[fasj6418]

Rule Clarification : red tarmac and dust covered parts behind the rumble strips are not part of the track.[/COLOR]

why not? its used in real life!!!

its very frustrating to have millions of laps ruined by this...

someone agrees with me, or i´m alone on this???

 

[steven]

why not? its used in real life!!! its very frustrating to have millions of laps ruined by this... someone agrees with me, or i´m alone on this???[/QUOTE]
you're not alone in this, i agree: tarmac is tarmac, dust or no dust, before or after the strips. cyril, what are you doing to us ...

 

[MisterWeary]

GT-Mode vs Weary: Round 1

Car: Model T Ford
T1: 1'18.944
T2: 3'04.978
T3: 4'27.676
T4: 5'36.532
T5: 7'08.271
T6: 8'33.793
Finish: 9'xx.xx5

GT Mode - 1
Weary - 0

P.S @StevenDeRuig: I'll send you a new Carriage Return button in the mail

 

[holl01]

Rule Clarification : red tarmac and dust covered parts behind the rumble strips are not part of the track.[/COLOR]

why not? its used in real life!!!

its very frustrating to have millions of laps ruined by this...

someone agrees with me, or i´m alone on this???

i am gonna have to agree with u fasj, i would prefer it if it was changed so that we could use the red tarmac section, it would make the combo way more fun and forgiving aswell:tup:

 

[Casio]

Also, what's the ruling on the road outside the rumble strips on the first chicane?

 

[Tedehur]

Deadline
There seems to be a consensus on the 2 weeks suggestion, so I changed the deadline from Feb. 21st to Feb. 28th.
Funny thing is that on that very date I'll be with a customer in... Mulsanne. I'll make sure I bring my camera along and take some pics.

Red tarmac and dust
There areas are used in real life, but while keeping all 4 wheels on the track. Our rules say "2 wheels on the track" which gives roughly the same result, since you can have 2 wheels on the rumble strip and 2 other wheels on the red tarmac.
Allowing 2 wheels on the red tarmac and 2 wheels on the grass/sand would make both chicanes almost useless IMO, but if everybody else has a different opinion we'll make them legal.

Concerning Matteo's question about the chicane before the start/finish line, I agree with the answer that has been made. Short cutting to have a higher start speed would be against the spirit of the rules (same as Trial Mountain, week 34), so please avoid to do so.

Categories
As I said earlier, I don't want to pre-define categories because that would affect your car choice. For instance if I say we have power categories like under 300hp, 301 to 500hp and 501 to 850hp, then nobody will use cars at 400 or 600hp.
I want to do it the other way around. Choose the cars you fancy and I'll make categories based on the car choice.
We already have Pat and Kyle who will use the Volvo 240 Estate, so if some other people use this car, if will be worth to have a Volvo 240 Estate category.
I like the eras splitting too, but again I'd like to define eras from the cars that have been used and not the other way around.

Multiple submissions
It's linked to the 'categories' point too.
An unlimited number of submissions per driver will be allowed this week, as long as each submission concerns a different car. You can submit 10 times in 10 different cars, but you still can submit only once if you're using only one car. I updated post #1 too.

Results
Official results will be using the fastest lap submitted by each driver.
I will make up categories based on all submitted times, and post results per category too.

Hope it answers all your questions.


Extra :

Cars used/suggested so far (as mentioned in the posts) and tentative categories.

Modern LM race cars

• Audi R8
• BMW V12 LMR
• Honda S2000 LM
• Mazda 787B
• Pagani Zonda LM
• Pescarolo C60
• Toyota GT-One

Classic LM race cars

• Chaparrals
• Ford GT40 1969
• Toyota 7

JGTC race cars

• Toyota Denso Supra

GT road cars

• Corvette Z06
• Honda HSC
• Mazda RX-7
• Pagani Zonda
• Ruf Yellow Bird
• Saleen S7
• Spyker C8
• Toyota Supra RZ
• Tommy kaira ZZ-II
• TVR Speed 12
• VW Nardo

Family cars

• Dodge SRT-4
• Volvo 240

Snails

• Ford Model-T
• Citroën 2CV

Midgets

• Honda Beat

Sci-Fi

• Nike One

 

[ROB 256R]

New splits in my front wheel drive beast. Think i'm gonna pick another couple of unusual cars to use too. Might join in with the 240 GLT category; that should be fun.

Dodge SRT-4 '03 - FF - 511hp - Div2 - DFP

T1 - 0'35.873
T2 - 1'15.917
T3 - 1'47.844
T4 - 2'14.454
T5 - 2'47.143
T6 - 3'22.242

 

[Tyre King]

@ Fasj & Holl
[RANT-MODE]
You know, some of you Div 1 guys really annoy me sometimes!

To be complaining that we can't use the red and dusty bits of the track when 'WE' all know you guys are gonna storm this race anyway, is just silly.
And to say that it would make it 'more fun and forgiving'? What's with that? I read that to mean 'EASIER' or 'I can't be arsed to drive through the chicane properly, I'll just drive over it instead'
What do you want?
For this race to come down to who can cut the corner's at the fastest speed without dipping too much of a wheel into the sand and spinning out, or just missing a wall by a fraction of an inch?
For this race to be decided by luck, by who manages to keep control while ploughing through the final chicanes at full speed and hoping that it doesn't grab and spin you?

How many of us less skilled driver's are gonna be restarting over and over and over after trying to cut the corners to that extent?

All of us, is the answer!

Cyril could make a ruling that you guys (and i'm not meaning the whole of D1 by that) can only use the left-hand side of the track, and you would still win!

Quit bleeding complaining, your gonna be at the top anyway.
It takes more skill and determination to stay within the rumbles and off the red & dusty bits, and still be fast.
Cutting corner's isn't the be-all and end-all of racing, and to allow the red & dusty bits would just make a mockery of both the rules and the track!

And this brings me onto my main point, and this is most important as you are saying that 'in R/L they do it'!
Last year they changed the rules, no longer were the driver's allowed to cut the chicanes or allowed to routinely use the red 'safety' zones outside of the rumble strips, if they did (without it being a nesc thing to stop an accident or off), the teams were given two warnings and then a forced pit-stop and/or DQ for further violations, on safety grounds!
So your point is moot anyway!
[/RANT-MODE]
Neil

 

[shockwaveracing]

Red tarmac and dust
There areas are used in real life, but while keeping all 4 wheels on the track. Our rules say "2 wheels on the track" which gives roughly the same result, since you can have 2 wheels on the rumble strip and 2 other wheels on the red tarmac.
Allowing 2 wheels on the red tarmac and 2 wheels on the grass/sand would make both chicanes almost useless IMO, but if everybody else has a different opinion we'll make them legal.

Concerning Matteo's question about the chicane before the start/finish line, I agree with the answer that has been made. Short cutting to have a higher start speed would be against the spirit of the rules (same as Trial Mountain, week 34), so please avoid to do so.

i reckon using the red tarmac and dust shouldn't be allowed, coz if they are allowed it defeats the purpose of the chicanes, IMO...

still, if it was allowed i reckon i could maybe crack a "certain minute barrier"

 

[fasj6418]

@ Fasj & Holl
[RANT-MODE]
You know, some of you Div 1 guys really annoy me sometimes!

To be complaining that we can't use the red and dusty bits of the track when 'WE' all know you guys are gonna storm this race anyway, is just silly.

What do you want?
For this race to come down to who can cut the corner's at the fastest speed without dipping too much of a wheel into the sand and spinning out, or just missing a wall by a fraction of an inch?
For this race to be decided by luck, by who manages to keep control while ploughing through the final chicanes at full speed and hoping that it doesn't grab and spin you?

How many of us less skilled driver's are gonna be restarting over and over and over after trying to cut the corners to that extent?

All of us, is the answer!

Cyril could make a ruling that you lot can only use the left-hand side of the track, and you would still win!

Quit bleeding complaining, your gonna be at the top anyway.
It takes more skill and determination to stay within the rumbles and off the red & dusty bits, and still be fast.
Cutting corner's isn't the be-all and end-all of racing, and to allow the red & dusty bits would just make a mockery of both the rules and the track!

And anyway, and this is most important as you are saying that 'in R/L they do it'!
Last year they changed the rules, no longer were the driver's allowed to cut the chicanes or allowed to routinely use the red 'safety' zones outside of the rumble strips, if they did (without it being a nesc thing to stop an accident or off), the teams were given two warnings and then a forced pit-stop and/or DQ for further violations, on safety grounds!
So your point is moot anyway!
[/RANT-MODE]
Neil

easy neil, relax

well, the main reason was because of the restarting thing... over and over because of a third wheel on the red tarmac... but i guess i have to wait and see what´s going to be decided... until that i´m taking the chicanes carefully...

as for the race, i liked the 2 week format because finding a good gear setup to enable good speed and also a soft suspension that is not useless in turns will take a while...

i can´t wait to play... but i see that i have a problem with my competitive nature... i can´t imagine myself running with a slower car, just for the pleasure of driving... i guess i have to learn to be less competitive and try to have more fun...

 

[holl01]

ur point has been made balostholellell. but i totally disagree with ur point about thinking that its easier to drive on redtarmac, when u drive at the limit (red tarmac or no red tarmac) each corner will be a challenge to complete it regardless. from my quick half hour session, i found that restricting the car to within the rumbles srtips is tedious and frustrating, and destroys the whole fun of le searthe. basically all the track should be used, the rumble strips are just a guide, is it so necessary to follow the rules as they do in real life?. i mean we r playing a video game remember. thats just my opinion, and u dont have to jump down my throat just cos i voiced my opinion, whats up with that?

well it is a decent combo regardless anyway, nice job flat-out:tup:

 

[Tyre King]

Ok Buds!

I'm calm and relaxed, and I may have over-reacted, so i'm sorry.

I just felt a little p/o'd that I had put in 4 hours last night, and got some decent splits with no red/dusty bits, and yes, quite a few re-starts too.
Only for Fasj to complain about the red/dusty bits not being used and the chicane not being cut, and then Holl, you backed him up.
Add to that, that I am still feeling crap from the Flu and now have a chest infection on top of that, therefor I'm feeling quite grouchy anyway.....
But yes I did over-react a little. Sorry guys!

Peace reigns

Neil

 

[TheWizard]

Well, some interesting discussion, nonetheless.

For the launch, thanks for clearing that up, Cyril. I already made my mind up, though (about launching properly).

For the dust zones and the red tarmac, I say we keep them illegal areas. Else, this week will just turn into another License S-15, were it got down to who managed to cut the extra nanometer without being disqualified by the inner rules of the game.

I agree on the fact that it might be easier, as in fewer restarts. But I also agree with Neil. The guy who will manage to cut down every single inch of the track will just obliterate the others, that are trying to stay within the track. I don't want this to get down to luck, or to turn into another Week 8.

That's just my opinion. And I am glad somebody else sees it like I do 👍

The Wizard.

 

[Dave_George]

Hi all in the WRS!

I decided to give this week a go seeing as its my 2nd favourite track in GT4....

This weeks NRS car (Toyota 7) seemed a good place to start and interestingly the Nurb setup im using worked quite well too on the Sarthe (soft setup), I ran 2 laps and 2 laps with the 04 Pescarolo C60 (with similar setup) for comparison and as luck would have it kept out of the red tarmac areas as i thought they would be illegal...after just reading this thread i found they have been the subject of much discussion!

Toyota 7 (2 laps)

T1) 29.686
T2) 1'03.722
T3) 1'30.520
T4) 1'52.770
T5) 2'21.233
T6) 2'50.746

Pescarolo C60 '04 (2 laps)

T1) 28.829
T2) 1'01.317
T3) 1'26.905
T4) 1'48.018
T5) 2'15.009
T6) 2'42.941

Good WRS race this week, will try and get around a bit more when the NRS has finished in a few weeks:tup:

regards to all

David

 

[ROB 256R]

Couldn't resist jumping on the band wagon that is the 240 GLT (or 'Goldie Lookin Turbo' as i've affectionately named mine because of it's colour and the fact it's FI now ). Anyway I made these splits with it:

Volvo 240 GLT Estate '88 - FR - 271hp - Div2 - DFP (only my second day using DFP so not very good with it yet )

T1 - 0'42.876
T2 - 1'31.413
T3 - 2'11.182
T4 - 2'44.004
T5 - 3'25.658
T6 - 4'07.659

 

[TimBrad]

OK! i seem to be doing some decent hotlaps in many cars, so i might be posting a couple shots from each i have been taking too! Hope thats cool with everyone!

 

[KLR142]

Deadline [...]

Sounds like you've got it covered! Awesome man! And dayum you're going to be a soooooooooper busy man when this two week thing is over... 👍 👍 Thanks!!!

New splits in my front wheel drive beast. Think i'm gonna pick another couple of unusual cars to use too. Might join in with the 240 GLT category; that should be fun.

Dodge SRT-4 '03 - FF - 511hp - Div2 - DFP

I haven't had my chance in this car yet, I think I may have a go in it as well, maybe. We'll see how much I like it when I drive it.

Neil, it sounds like you need to start eating healthier and wearing your coats more often, lol. 👍

Couldn't resist jumping on the band wagon that is the 240 GLT (or 'Goldie Lookin Turbo' as i've affectionately named mine because of it's colour and the fact it's FI now ). Anyway I made these splits with it:

Volvo 240 GLT Estate '88 - FR - 271hp - Div2 - DFP (only my second day using DFP so not very good with it yet )

T1 - 0'42.876
T2 - 1'31.413
T3 - 2'11.182
T4 - 2'44.004
T5 - 3'25.658
T6 - 4'07.659

Sweet, welcome! Lol, here's my advice, go and do the Hatchback or whatever sport compact series it is in the European hall, you'll win a new one that can get up to 285hp if you use the turbo kit. You might be able to get 271 using NA parts, but I can't remember. And, I've always thought that they were actually pretty close on speed too... I just wish that the GT4 people would've made it obvious with which to use for max speed, like a Stage 3 turbo with 375+hp, which would make more sense for real life. *sigh*

I going to try using the DFP this week(in the 245GLT anyway) because it REALLY needs you to keep up EVERY last bit of speed you can. Sooooo much grip, and suuuuuch good brakes, you better be easy on them because it has SOOO little power to move it's EXCESS of weight. Argh. 👍

 

[veilsidebr]

Well, obviously im not playing the WRS as i´ve said already that i stoped with GT4, but that doesn´t make me out of GTP. As as was reading ballstothewall´s comments about the rules, i have to give my opinion, and not just about his opinion but about also fasj and holl01.

If the rules say that you guys can´t cut the corners by 2 wheels at the rumbles and 2 wheels on grass or dust, just don´t take it by the bad side, as its not that tough anyways. Lets say that even we could just step 2 wheels on the rumbles, and 2 wheels on the track, wich is the online rules for PC games, and they generally say you have to stay whitin the white lines, or at least 2 wheels on the rumble strips.

By doing these rules, they want to grow up the competition. Why? Because you will have to really work hard and make one perfect run to suit the rules! And this, even when you´re not that good, will give you more skill! What makes a driver get better? The hard tracks, the hard cars to handle, the worse conditions, and not a simply Oval track with a smooth car to drive.

So, anyways, be the rules anything, ENJOY them, even if you don´t like, because at least you can learn something from it. Actually you can always learn something from a given situation at motorsport, and that is what you shall do always, to improve as a driver at all. You guys probably race here as at least you like abit of racing, so, if you like it, even for a little, the driver´s mind is present on you, and, if you don´t want to get better, to improve always, to go faster and faster, so you don´t like it and you shouldn´t race anything.

No matter how bad are the rules or how worse is your car, drive it like you stole it, and learn something. And also no matter if you´re the best or the worst in the world, that doesn´t really matter, you can ALWAYS learn something more. And that is forever...

So please guys, just race and enjoy it.

 

[ROB 256R]

Sounds like you've got it covered! Awesome man! And dayum you're going to be a soooooooooper busy man when this two week thing is over... 👍 👍 Thanks!!!

I haven't had my chance in this car yet, I think I may have a go in it as well, maybe. We'll see how much I like it when I drive it.

Neil, it sounds like you need to start eating healthier and wearing your coats more often, lol. 👍


Sweet, welcome! Lol, here's my advice, go and do the Hatchback or whatever sport compact series it is in the European hall, you'll win a new one that can get up to 285hp if you use the turbo kit. You might be able to get 271 using NA parts, but I can't remember. And, I've always thought that they were actually pretty close on speed too... I just wish that the GT4 people would've made it obvious with which to use for max speed, like a Stage 3 turbo with 375+hp, which would make more sense for real life. *sigh*

I going to try using the DFP this week(in the 245GLT anyway) because it REALLY needs you to keep up EVERY last bit of speed you can. Sooooo much grip, and suuuuuch good brakes, you better be easy on them because it has SOOO little power to move it's EXCESS of weight. Argh. 👍

Yeah, thanks for tip for winning a new GLT. 👍 Also, I think i have been over braking alot because my left foot doesn't seem to have the same accuracy as my right one. I guess it's just something that improves with practice. Let me know if you want my SRT-4 settings. They're the same ones i used to race it in Week 5. I don't reckon there's a faster front wheel drive car in the game.

 

[holl01]

Well, obviously im not playing the WRS as i´ve said already that i stoped with GT4, but that doesn´t make me out of GTP. As as was reading ballstothewall´s comments about the rules, i have to give my opinion, and not just about his opinion but about also fasj and holl01.

If the rules say that you guys can´t cut the corners by 2 wheels at the rumbles and 2 wheels on grass or dust, just don´t take it by the bad side, as its not that tough anyways. Lets say that even we could just step 2 wheels on the rumbles, and 2 wheels on the track, wich is the online rules for PC games, and they generally say you have to stay whitin the white lines, or at least 2 wheels on the rumble strips.

By doing these rules, they want to grow up the competition. Why? Because you will have to really work hard and make one perfect run to suit the rules! And this, even when you´re not that good, will give you more skill! What makes a driver get better? The hard tracks, the hard cars to handle, the worse conditions, and not a simply Oval track with a smooth car to drive.

So, anyways, be the rules anything, ENJOY them, even if you don´t like, because at least you can learn something from it. Actually you can always learn something from a given situation at motorsport, and that is what you shall do always, to improve as a driver at all. You guys probably race here as at least you like abit of racing, so, if you like it, even for a little, the driver´s mind is present on you, and, if you don´t want to get better, to improve always, to go faster and faster, so you don´t like it and you shouldn´t race anything.

No matter how bad are the rules or how worse is your car, drive it like you stole it, and learn something. And also no matter if you´re the best or the worst in the world, that doesn´t really matter, you can ALWAYS learn something more. And that is forever...

So please guys, just race and enjoy it.

Ur post was read and agreed with, well done.

except some sentences were hard to understand due to ur brazilian origins.

and yes, now i agree and the red tarmac should be illegal as is the case already:tup:

@MINORSHUNT. thanx for ur tips on fixing the paddle shifter on the dfp, but i forgot what u said and just wen with the flow, i ended up pulling out the actual button which operates the switch in frustration. i somehow repositioned it, and welded it back in with a solder, and it worked

 

[veilsidebr]

Ur post was read and agreed with, well done.

except some sentences were hard to understand due to ur brazilian origins.

and yes, now i agree and the red tarmac should be illegal as is the case already:tup:

LOL, shut up little jerk

 

[veilsidebr]

... thanx for ur tips on fixing the paddle shifter on the dfp, but i forgot what u said and just wen with the flow, i ended up pulling out the actual button which operates the switch in frustration. i somehow repositioned it, and welded it back in with a solder, and it worked

was it on a solder or in an old retired soldier? HHAAHAHHAHA 💡

 

[holl01]

was it on a solder or in an old retired soldier? HHAAHAHHAHA 💡

indeed i used a solder, i did not use a retired soldier.

and i did not rapidly do it, it took me 4 attemtps to fix it

well, i'm off for a couple of days, but i will have some runs on the weekend, hey we got 2 weeks anyway, cooooooooool.

 

[Tyre King]

Hit that Volvo 240 bandwagon too!

T1 41.405
T2 1'28.346
T3 2'07.306
T4 2'39.349
T5 3'20.092
T6 4'01.082

Final chicane got screwed up tho, braked too early and turned in on auto-pilot, only to catch myself, correct and get through. lost about a second I think.

So will be running again to correct the error, otherwise very happy with the lap.

Neil

 

[MasterDriver]

Hey,

I've come to a conclusion that i'd like to join the community in these weekly events. I'm usually driving around 200miles or so a day(in-game) and 100 in real life. With all this driving i'd like to put it somewhere and see how it stacks up..

Any helpful information into getting started and or how-to get replays from a ps2 to the pc will be useful thanks in advance...

 

[Animal Mother]

Hey,

I've come to a conclusion that i'd like to join the community in these weekly events. I'm usually driving around 200miles or so a day(in-game) and 100 in real life. With all this driving i'd like to put it somewhere and see how it stacks up..

Any helpful information into getting started and or how-to get replays from a ps2 to the pc will be useful thanks in advance...

Just read all the stickies in the Weekly Race Series forum, and especially the FAQ thread. If that doesn't totally answer your questions, just PM flat-out.

 

[MasterDriver]

ok i just sent him a PM, I hope i get in soon, i'm also going to try and bring a few racer friends together under one team name.. I dont know if there is a race team series yet... but their should be

 

[Tedehur]

^ Check your PM box

I just realized that I didn't mention the fact that any submission PM this week must include the full name of the car that has been used to achieved the submitted time. I'm updating this in post #1.

 

[MinorShunt]

@MINORSHUNT. thanx for ur tips on fixing the paddle shifter on the dfp, but i forgot what u said and just wen with the flow, i ended up pulling out the actual button which operates the switch in frustration. i somehow repositioned it, and welded it back in with a solder, and it worked

hahaha. No problem on that at all. 👍 Soldering isn't too hard with a little practice. The dfp is so bulletproof that even if u muck it up a bit u won't end up destroying the thing.

At least I hope so......I'm gonna tear mine apart this weekend.


As far as the red tarmac and dusty bits go, I agree with Veil in principle, but a few of us do a bit of racing on other boards, and they all go with GTRP rules that any tarmac is legal to drive on. (Interestingly enough you can't touch any cones in GTRP rules, while in WRS it doesn't matter.) So for myself, I have braking and turn-in points lasered in my brain for driving this track to GTRP rules. IMO the track flows much better, and the car setup is simpler using the red tarmac, but in the end it really doesn't matter. I'll drive to whatever rules are present for the event, no big deal. :shrugs:

Did a few laps in a 1970 race car last night, that is NOT a Toyota, DOES have a monster 7.6l V8, and does not have an adjustable wing. What a blast! (and a handful) Although the Chapparal is over 100hp down on the Toyota 7, I think it's going to be faster. That is if I can keep it from doing victory donuts under braking.

T6-2'42.xxx

 

[holzlondon]

OK, my first clean splits with the Audi R8:

T1: 29.524
T2: 1:02.654
T3: 1:28.706
T4: 1:50.445
T5: 2:17.874
T6: 2:46.000

alot of time to be made up.