GT4 WRS Week 52 : "To Tame a Wolf Anew"

[shockwaveracing]

T1: 24.928 (saw a bonkers 24.741 then stuffed it into a wall in the rinky dink section )
T2: 56.599 (had a bit of a brain fade in here - still another 0.4-0.5 in here)

i reckon a sub 56 second T2 is quite possible, if i hook it up that is...

still another second to get yet, hopefully...

 

[Randymcchickenf]

24.888 lost .2 here
56.241
1.xx.xx2 lost .1 towards the end

suspension bottomed out
height 89/89
lsd 5/5/5
brakebalance 2/5
everything else stock.
no aids

 

[KLR142]

Did you notice that there is a little bump at the beginning of the opposite straight, right under the archway ?
A few times it unbalanced the car enough to throw it into the wall on the right hand side

Oh yeah, it also makes it so I don't have traction a lot too... Sometimes it gives me just enough wheelspin to be as fast or even faster than just having traction the whole time, other times it loses so much traction it's slower, and other times it just goes into the wall on the right...

I might have time for another go this morning, my boss called me and said we're not coming in until 1pm today...

 

[Jake]

gave it another crack. Made some changes for the better...

24.997
57.484

 

[z-reserve]

I hope not to state the obvious here with the following observation but, we can't set up a thing in the gearbox on the lupo. No fiddling with gears, afaik. Quite witty, and difficult since i'm getting an annoying turbo lag when redlining 2nd gear. Might be related to using AT, too. :/

 

[Tedehur]

I hope not to state the obvious here with the following observation but, we can't set up a thing in the gearbox on the lupo. No fiddling with gears, afaik. Quite witty, and difficult since i'm getting an annoying turbo lag when redlining 2nd gear. Might be related to using AT, too. :/

It's not linked to AT. I noticed the same thing during my tests and I'm always using manual mode.
Yet I don't remember a turbo lag in 2nd gear. I remember however how difficult it seems for that little engine to climb up the slope at the end of the back straight in 4th gear. Around 90mph and the speed doesn't increase fast.

 

[KLR142]

There is no such thing as turbo lag at full throttle at redline. What you're experiencing is the traction control cutting your power because you're breaking traction.

Anyway, I just sat down for an hour, played with settings, played with stability and traction control, and I've learned a few more things. PAY ATTENTION! because it seems people don't really pay attention to my posts when I tell them what I've learned about these cars and their settings... Maybe it's just because I don't make it look fancy enough.

So, since so many other people were succumbing to the driving where the computer takes over for you, I decided to try it too. It helped in some places, and hurt in others. The traction control wasn't too interfering with speed, so I kept that, and turned the ASM junk off. That left me with figuring out how to tune the suspension some more on the thing...

SUSPENSION TUNING!

When you go from stock(sports) suspension to race suspension, you find that the race suspension SUCKS. Now, turn the camber down to 0 on the race suspension, and you find that the race suspension isn't so bad after all. During my initial driving, I realized that suspension travel is a big issue this week, because you want the wheels on the ground as much as possible, and there are lots of places where your stiffly sprung wolf will want to lift inside rear tires, and etc. So, I bumped the ride height up to around Sports suspengion levels

blah blah blah, I'm out of time for now, can finish this later, in the meantime, here are the less wordy versions of what I'm going to tell you.

-This car likes low camber. Experiment.

-One way to get rid of the snappy oversteer is INCREASING THE REAR SPRING RATE to levels EVEN with the front, or HIGHER. Experiment. Another thing to play with is ride height. If you go too low in the back though, you reduce the weight on the front tires, and thus traction when trying to accelerate.

-This car seems to like EVEN sway bar settings, in my testing of it anyway, you might find different with your settings.

-Originally, I set the springs all the way to soft(the front still is) and the dampers to 1/1 1/1. This gave the car a very quirky handling, because it was basically bouncing around the track. It doesn't work the same way as it did with the BMW GTR that other week. Especially around that little U before T1, the car wouldn't want to go straight no matter what, and thus couldn't put down the power, and was hard to keep clean. I then bumped up the dampers, and am currently on 3 all around. Might try stiffer later.

Go play.

 

[z-reserve]

It's not linked to AT. I noticed the same thing during my tests and I'm always using manual mode.
Yet I don't remember a turbo lag in 2nd gear.

Maybe not a turbo lag then, but something keeps the drivetrain to hop from 2nd to 3rd while accelerating full throttle... the traction control.

Edit after reading KLR142's post : Sorry for not noticing, dude. Thanks for your advice and yes i'll go playing, right after I do the dishes.

 

[KLR142]

Forgot my splits. More to come off for sure, just stumbled on the increased grip in the rear from the stiffer springs right before this lap. TCS 1 only, no ASM BS. I HATE that crap.

25.664
58.053
3 seconds faster at the line

 

[Jake]

I've learned a few more things. PAY ATTENTION! because it seems people don't really pay attention to my posts when I tell them what I've learned about these cars and their settings...

No need to force feed anything. People may pay more attention if you were at the top of the leaderboard. I don't post my settings becuase I'm SLOW. So why would you think the faster guys would pay attention to your settings?

 

[Thotozam AZ-1]

Had a go last night, around midnight ish. Pulled a 24.565 T1 (yay) but stuffed the 3rd gear "jump" at the end of the straight...grr!

I will have some times later today

 

[Tedehur]

No need to force feed anything. People may pay more attention if you were at the top of the leaderboard. I don't post my settings becuase I'm SLOW. So why would you think the faster guys would pay attention to your settings?

Because the fastest ones on the track are not always the best for set-ups

 

[Jake]

Leave it to Cryil to make sense of it all

 

[Hugo Boss]

I found some time to take part again too in a race

First splits:
T1: 24.492
T2: 55.499

Too bad I messed up at the last section

This are my settings I came up with so far:

brakes: 6/4
springs: 6.4/7.0
rideheight: 112/110
damperb: 1/10
damperr: 2/10
camber: 0.2/1.4
toe: 0/0
stabs: 1/1
lsd: 5/42/18
tcs & asm : 0

Make sure you brake in time and the rear won't surprise you that many times

 

[Casio]

-Originally, I set the springs all the way to soft(the front still is) and the dampers to 1/1 1/1. This gave the car a very quirky handling, because it was basically bouncing around the track. It doesn't work the same way as it did with the BMW GTR that other week. Especially around that little U before T1, the car wouldn't want to go straight no matter what, and thus couldn't put down the power, and was hard to keep clean. I then bumped up the dampers, and am currently on 3 all around. Might try stiffer later.

Go play.

That's what I'm doing. Super-Duper Soft (See week 42 for those playing at home). Dampers 1/1/1/1, Camber .4/.4, Springs (Whatever the softest is, 6.4/4.6?), Stabs 1/1, Ride Height (I think 90/105 or something). Seems to work quite well for me.

 

[Laurence5905]

Well, I've been looking at all the settings that have been posted, and changed mine accordingly -- softened the hell out of the springs.

And it seems to have worked! I knocked nearly 5 seconds off the end of my previously posted time. Here are the new splits:

T1: 27.235
T2: 1'00.598

So I think I definitely CAN get a sub-1-minute T2 time with some more practice... I don't think the sub-56-second time will be within my reach, but maybe I can get 58 seconds or so...

 

[Laurence5905]

I hope this won't be another week where all the Div. 3 racers "chicken out." Sure, it's a difficult track and combo, but with the right suspension settings, it's quite driveable. Just takes some practice, is all...

I think I've put in maybe 40 or 50 laps total, and I've already improved my time by 5 seconds! It's just a matter of practicing, guys -- don't let me be one of only two Div. 3 racers to submit again. I like winning podiums, but not by default!

 

[MisterWeary]

Board Updated

And First Aid Booklet finished too FINALLY! I will definitely be having a crack at this tonight 👍

 

[Jake]

Don't know how much better I can get here, but I must thank Casio for helping with setup. 👍 I got .2 better with his setup over mine.

25.231
57.040

 

[Laurence5905]

Don't know how much better I can get here, but I must thank Casio for helping with setup. 👍 I got .2 better with his setup over mine.

Jake, if you look at the past leaderboards, you'll probably notice that you and I are generally about the same time (a few tenths here and there, usually in your favor, but fairly close.)

But this week you're kicking my @$$. More than three seconds ahead of me at T2, so far. So I'd say you're doing quite well this week. (Either that, or I'm doing especially badly this week. )

 

[z-reserve]

Finally, about my first really clean lap...

T1: 27.888 (them lucky eights)
T2: 1'02.260

I also hope much participation from D3 or, heck, any division on this one.

 

[Jake]

Don't know what the heck just happened but I shaved .4 off my time.

25.491
56.887

 

[z-reserve]

Don't know what the heck just happened but I shaved .4 off my time.

It's the turbo magic!

 

[holl01]

Hey,

played it for bout 2 hours and managed

24.145
54.779

using dfp

suspension= springs and dampners to maximum softness

height 89/91
camber 1.0/.5
stab 3/2

B.B 2/3
aids- none
tires- hard
combo- enjoyable:tup:

i used gear 2 for the slow corners, the ones below 70 km/h

the setup was pretty good, i found the car was quite stable through all corners and the low ride height made the carstick to the ground in the first 2 corners, time submitted, cheers:tup:

 

[AngelCreator]

Here are some times from me.

T1-26:9xx
T2-1:00:4xx

I was going to save the replay, but the PS2 went and crash on me.

 

[KLR142]

No need to force feed anything. People may pay more attention if you were at the top of the leaderboard. I don't post my settings becuase I'm SLOW. So why would you think the faster guys would pay attention to your settings?

I'm not really that slow... I haven't been trying my hardest these past few weeks. If I kept up my old signature with Podiums and stuff you'd see, but the numbers were getting too high for me to count so I had to stop doing it. JUST KIDDING! Nah, I was just a little irked this morning for some reason, and with the talking of settings, no one's remarked on the fact that I already posted a little bit of info, and then it seems to have gone unnoticed in previous weeks a couple of times. It's all good though. Maybe people aren't using my settings. And actually, it's not really that I want people to use my settings, I told people how THEY can tune their own settings, and what will(should) happen when they do so.

That's what I'm doing. Super-Duper Soft (See week 42 for those playing at home). Dampers 1/1/1/1, Camber .4/.4, Springs (Whatever the softest is, 6.4/4.6?), Stabs 1/1, Ride Height (I think 90/105 or something). Seems to work quite well for me.

Yeah, try out stiffer dampers, they seemed to help me even further.

I'm not sure what my sways are at, maybe still the 5/5 that I had them at earlier. I didn't worry about softening them up so much because there aren't really any bumps(well, curbs) that I'd be hopping, like there were on Seattle. That's where sways make a difference, because you hit the bump with one side, and it'll effect the other side, instead of leaving the un-bumped side alone. But, this track is pretty bumpy everywhere, so I may try softening them a bit. I don't think I'll quite go to 1/1 though, but who knows!

I'll also try lowering the car a bit, seems that's working for a few people... 👍

EDIT: Oh yeah, I also forgot to mention, the Diff settings make a pretty good sized difference this week in the way the car goes around the track... Currently, I think I'm something like 5/35/5 with the TCS on. FWD cars usually like very low/non-existent lock-up on decel, but I was trying to use it earlier this week. Does seem a little better without it though(aka, low decel values).

 

[Casio]

Not a real good lap. Manage to stuff up the middle and end. But splits are ok I guess.

T1 - 24.459
T2 - 55.907

 

[MisterWeary]

I completely and utterly SSS.UUU.CCC.KKK at GT Mode....this is just pathetic, three hours and I have one *hopefully* clean lap:

T1: 0'26.280 (0'26.0xx Seen)
T2: 0'58.328 (0'47.8xx Possible)

I like a challenge but I know nothing about car setup and I am completely lost every time we have GT Mode...and I know there's lots of examples and tips in this thread but I have no idea what effect it has on the car when I change it, I don't know if the changes I notice are good or bad? I get the impression I'm persevering with a bastard of a setup but I have no skill to alter my position. GT Mode frustrates me no end, I am handicapped every time

Board Updated

 

[KLR142]

I know there's lots of examples and tips in this thread but I have no idea what effect it has on the car when I change it, I don't know if the changes I notice are good or bad?http://www.luxy.ca/wrs/leaderboard/

Did you read my posts(if not, please go back and read them, they do describe what happens a bit)??? If you think your settings are holding you back, hop in the stock suspension, it's not tooooo far off. Maybe lower the rear a tad(to try and give it more weight on the wheels and not want to swing around so often), and maybe lower the damper stiffness to 3 or 4 front and back(to make the suspension softer so it can absorb bumps better, as well as extend better after you go OVER the bumps). Differential? Just make sure the accel rating is over 20(when you try to accelerate, it will try to keep the wheels spinning at the same speed more, so you don't get a "one wheel peel"). The others you can generally leave low. 👍

 

[ROB 256R]

It only took me another 130 miles to run a faster lap

T1 - 24.894
T2 - 56.269

Here's the exact settings i used for these splits:

Spr. 6.8 / 4.6
Rd. H 89 / 99
Bnd 2 / 2
Rbnd 2 / 2
Cmbr 2.5 / 1.2
Toe -1 / 1
Stb 4 / 4
AIDS 0 / 2 / 7
LSD 60 / 5 / 20

No rollcage and brake bal. left stock