GT4 WRS Week 76 : "Snake in the Valley"

[hOt6o4bOi]

0'31.734
1'01.570

left about .250 on the track
amazed that i got this time within 10 laps

double checked all the settings, 👍

 

[Jump_Ace]

About 5 laps in, the car is very understeery and Kyle once again u totally dominate me here Great splits man! Can't wait til Nov!

T1 - :32.586
T2 - 1:03.488

Great final turn finally got one lap 100% throttle and NOT mowing the lawn, lol.
Curtis...I hate you

Snother 10 laps and I'm done for now, I'd like to trim another .12 here to get under a certain second barrier, but I have a couple turns to tidy up later.
T1 - :32.258
T2 - 1:03.258

Jerome

 

[AngelCreator]

I guess I need to work on this more.

 

[KLR142]

About 5 laps in, the car is very understeery and Kyle once again u totally dominate me here Great splits man! Can't wait til Nov!

T1 - :32.586
T2 - 1:03.488

Great final turn finally got one lap 100% throttle and NOT mowing the lawn, lol.
Curtis...I hate you

Snother 10 laps and I'm done for now, I'd like to trim another .12 here to get under a certain second barrier, but I have a couple turns to tidy up later.
T1 - :32.258
T2 - 1:03.258

Jerome

Well, I SURE HOPE I own you after 5 of your laps. I already have about 3 hours into the combo, lol. And I definitely wasn't at 1'03.488 after 5 laps... Oh, and you should start aiming for the second barrier below that one most likely. I'm not there yet, but hope to be by the end of the week if I spend enough time on it. We'll see.

 

[ßen]

*Runs and turns PS2 on*

I'll give it a go now .
Some really nice splits coming out guys 👍

New splits

After about 7 laps more.
T1 - 32.801
T2 - 1'03.813

Plenty more to come out of this yet though.

*Turns PS2 off*

 

[Persian Pride]

Hello again. I will start this one tonight. Looking forward to it. 👍

 

[Metar]

*Runs and turns PS2 on*

I'll give it a go now .
Some really nice splits coming out guys 👍

New splits

After about 7 laps more.
T1 - 32.801
T2 - 1'03.813

Plenty more to come out of this yet though.

*Turns PS2 off*

Stop it!

Aargh. Extremely fun combo - good car, nice track, everything. But, as usual with Racecars on Technical Tracks, I'm totally crap at it.

I'm still below my old (slow) laptime, and Steven's beating the crap out of me...

 

[MisterWeary]

Board Updated

 

[holl01]

well, the explanation i have come up with to explain why hotbois splits are so much ahead of mine its not funny is that the versions are different (ntsc and pal)

 

[steven]

i say we formally complain with PD about this.
also we must insist that these differences will not occur in gt5.
what about some sort of compensation from them, like free gt5-games 💡

 

[Casio]

well, the explanation i have come up with to explain why hotbois splits are so much ahead of mine its not funny is that the versions are different (ntsc and pal) and i am now convinced that this is the case with this car in particular as i had trouble matching icemans T1 split in his BC lap at deep forest with the oreca. so unfortuantely this race aint fair for me and u to compete hotboi, shame the versions are like this....i dunno....but this could also explain why u got that .089 T1 split at gc cup 17 at autumn ring when my best was some .15 secs slower after 5 hours all up playing. and also ur T1 split of .897 in gc cup 16 with maxda rx7 at gran valley is something pal users like myself cant get, no way, so i uess ur recent victories and a dead heat over me may not be cos ur faster than me, but cos the ntsc version is generally a lil faster with some cars

Looking at the splits this week. I'd be inclined to agree with you.

Both Hotboi and Sphinx have T1s faster then you, and are NTSC. Apart from your freakish self, the next best PAL T1 is 32.329. However, for NTSC has KLR (D2) and Kent (Who admits he's not a top D1 driver) only ~0.06 behind you. And Jump and RMK next on the standings who are also NTSC.

Maybe we should starting putting NTSC and PAL in different standings?

 

[MisterWeary]

Jerry has both PAL and NTSC so maybe he could have a squiz at both and let us know his thoughts?

 

[steven]

[/off topic]this is a message some people might like to read
i've just ordered my maxdrive. it really helped to convince me that everybody was telling me how good it would be for my driving lines etc.
... not that cyril would ever need me to submit a replay or something. but then again, if the learning effect is as big as you all have been telling me, maybe he will once
what i look most forward to is to see alien replays with (for me) impossible laptimes.

👍

[/off topic]

 

[Sphinx]

I've just got home for lunch so I haven't time to go into detail.

Strangely enough, the only reason why I'm running this weeks WRS is to test the differences between NTSC & PAL.

There is a difference, NTSC is better for me. I’m not certain if this is the case for the whole game but it is for this weeks WRS combo and it certainly was for WRS wk74 even though I used PAL for that combo.

I can see why Dan says that it’s unfair if the NTSC version is better. However, it could be that it just suits mine and others driving styles (thinking out loud here), and until further tests have been carried out I really can’t say for sure what it is.

Food for thought,
If it is deemed to be unfair, then would the use of a DFP that in many cases is more advantageous to use in certain combo’s, also be unfair when all one has is a DS2?

I’ll come back to this later.

 

[Mr P]

PD done it with GT3 and it was very noticeable with the rally cars and they have done it again with GT4 .... I have both versions of GT4 also PAL /NTSC NA and can say in the rally driving NTSC has an small advantage with a more grippy feeling to whatever car it is against the PAL versions identical car

in GT3 days the CHN/Japanese versions were apparently even easier than the PAL/NTSC NA versions .... has anyone tested those versions yet to see if its possible to drive them blindfolded

Have fun with this dilemma guys 👍

 

[Kent]

Looking at the splits this week. I'd be inclined to agree with you.

Both Hotboi and Sphinx have T1s faster then you, and are NTSC. Apart from your freakish self, the next best PAL T1 is 32.329. However, for NTSC has KLR (D2) and Kent (Who admits he's not a top D1 driver) only ~0.06 behind you. And Jump and RMK next on the standings who are also NTSC.

Maybe we should starting putting NTSC and PAL in different standings?

True I do consider myself a low D1'er.
However, when the combo is right I always manage to do better than I expect from myself (and pretty well in comparison to others). Such is the case with a few laps in my past (mostly when I'm on the Ring though). Plus, don't forget, "top D1 driver" is quite a claim.

As for the differences here...
I'm not sure since I don't have PAL to work with. What exactly are we saying the differences are?
Is it just "easier" to drive the Oreca in NTSC?
Is the course different?

Where are the main differences in the laps?
Even if you don't submit Holl01, I think it would be great for research if you were to submit a lap. 👍
Maybe not for the results either (as I wouldnt want to see you forced into a loss). That said, comparing your lap by watching the replay and using the analyzer data against the closest NTSC lap might reveal what's up with this combo.

Any way, just a thought.

 

[Metar]

Is it just "easier" to drive the Oreca in NTSC?

This is what I suppose is the case here - perhaps some cars just have slightly more grip, different characteristics, or other small changes done to them.

Dan stated that a similar problem happened when the Oreca was driven on Deep Forest for a BC, and Sphinx (I'm not sure which one is Jerry and which one is Ron) confirmed that rally-driving is easier on NTSC... So I guess this makes a difference. I mean, Curtis beat Dan the last few times they ran, so perhaps it's only one reason for the time-difference.

 

[Kent]

This is what I suppose is the case here - perhaps some cars just have slightly more grip, different characteristics, or other small changes done to them.

Dan stated that a similar problem happened when the Oreca was driven on Deep Forest for a BC, and Sphinx (I'm not sure which one is Jerry and which one is Ron) confirmed that rally-driving is easier on NTSC... So I guess this makes a difference. I mean, Curtis beat Dan the last few times they ran, so perhaps it's only one reason for the time-difference.

One thing I notice here is that it seems like isolating the differences is not an easy task. I'm sure that some conclusion must have been made about the Oreca during the BC, what was the official ruling in that case? (assuming there wasn't any of the politics BCs are infamous for)

Also, Mr P is Ron and Sphinx is Jerry. 👍
Which reminds me...
How you guys doing out there? Been a while since I was around the WRS much and it seems like things haven't changed too much at all- have they?

Any way, once I get a chance to beat my current best- I will. Until then I'm going to be taking care of school and all of my other obligations in the real world.
So until next time,
-
(heading out for school now!)

 

[Casio]

As for the differences here...
I'm not sure since I don't have PAL to work with. What exactly are we saying the differences are?
Is it just "easier" to drive the Oreca in NTSC?
Is the course different?

Dan says a 31.724 is not possible, at least not on his PAL version. I'd agree based on my quick run today, and the current leaderboard. I think Jerry also found the Caterham 2 weeks ago to get a quicker time with the NTSC version.

However, if it was a error in the versions themselves, we would see difference every week. With the problem seemingly restricted to certain cars, it just makes the issue more confusing because it's not to do with the physical characteristics of PAL and NTSC.

 

[holl01]

True I do consider myself a low D1'er.
However, when the combo is right I always manage to do better than I expect from myself (and pretty well in comparison to others). Such is the case with a few laps in my past (mostly when I'm on the Ring though). Plus, don't forget, "top D1 driver" is quite a claim.

As for the differences here...
I'm not sure since I don't have PAL to work with. What exactly are we saying the differences are?
Is it just "easier" to drive the Oreca in NTSC?
Is the course different?

Where are the main differences in the laps?
Even if you don't submit Holl01, I think it would be great for research if you were to submit a lap. 👍
Maybe not for the results either (as I wouldnt want to see you forced into a loss). That said, comparing your lap by watching the replay and using the analyzer data against the closest NTSC lap might reveal what's up with this combo.

Any way, just a thought.

i'd say the differences would be grip levels and possibly extra acceleration or drive out of the corners. sure i will still submit a time this week as its a wicked combo, time submitted

 

[Metar]

One thing I notice here is that it seems like isolating the differences is not an easy task. I'm sure that some conclusion must have been made about the Oreca during the BC, what was the official ruling in that case? (assuming there wasn't any of the politics BCs are infamous for)

I wasn't around during any of the BCs, I hardly know what happened there.

Any way, once I get a chance to beat my current best- I will. Until then I'm going to be taking care of school and all of my other obligations in the real world.
So until next time,
-
(heading out for school now!)

The real what?

 

[Jake]

So no one can beat Holl01? And if they do beat him it means that there is some sort of unfair advantage? I just want to make sure I am reading all the above posts correctly...

 

[Metar]

So no one can beat Holl01? And if they do beat him it means that there is some sort of unfair advantage? I just want to make sure I am reading all the above posts correctly...

Nope. Dan (Holl01) was beaten by Curtis at Week 73, too, so he's not always the best. Together, they're the best. It's simply that both are so fast and know the tracks so good, that if they claim a certain time to be the maximum, it mostly is.
And a margin that is larger than 0.7 seconds isn't really logical, isn't it?

 

[Jake]

Nope. Dan (Holl01) was beaten by Curtis at Week 73, too, so he's not always the best. Together, they're the best. It's simply that both are so fast and know the tracks so good, that if they claim a certain time to be the maximum, it mostly is.
And a margin that is larger than 0.7 seconds isn't really logical, isn't it?

Well, I can't argue with that. But to say that someone is faster due to the NTSC / PAL difference seems to be an excuse. As soon as there is a odd scenario, like dan getting beat by .7, it must mean that there is a glitch in the system. Seems a little self-indulgent. Maybe Curtis just ate an extra bowl of Wheaties that morning...

 

[Tedehur]

Hello again. I will start this one tonight. Looking forward to it. 👍

I don't remember having seen you in the WRS since the GT3 days, Amir. Welcome back.
Seeing you and Jerry and Ron and Kent posting in this thread brings 2 year old memories back. 👍


About the NTSC/PAL difference, that won't be as noticeable as in week 51 at El Capitan reverse. And that'll give Dan an extra motivation to beat Curtis

 

[Kent]

It's an interesting issue, the idea that differences exist between PAL and NTSC... Makes me wonder how they are going to make true Online Racing happen when certian regions will not be on a level playing field.
I'm sure they will come up with something to address the issue (assuming the issue really does exist).

That said... I don't think any one is saying "because this racer got beat there must be an advantage for the NTSC people." The situation seems to be more like "we always run pretty closely and this time there seems to be a major difference."

Maybe we can do some PAL vs NTSC comparisons with other drivers who are usually pretty close to one another?

Any way, I'm encouraged to run more on this race because of my new advantage (even if it is only in my mind). So I'll be back later today with what I hope to be a new time.
Until then,
-

 

[Metar]

I don't remember having seen you in the WRS since the GT3 days, Amir. Welcome back.
Seeing you and Jerry and Ron and Kent posting in this thread brings 2 year old memories back. 👍

They're alive! WRS Oldtimers have come back to life to snatch bodys and wins...

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

Looking good, I might give this one a shot 👍

 

[Sphinx]

Before going further with this, please can we all refrain from using past races as examples when it clearly belittles the past achievements of others. Not only is it disrespectful but it also proves nothing when very little is known about this issue.

Ron highlighted that this is nothing new in GT as it was there in GT3, and I personally know that it was there in GT1. I can’t remember about GT2 (life was just a blur back then), but the important thing is that it has always been accepted and that we live with it.

If we can’t do that, then I won’t take any further part in trying to work out any differences that may arise.

That said... I don't think any one is saying "because this racer got beat there must be an advantage for the NTSC people." The situation seems to be more like "we always run pretty closely and this time there seems to be a major difference."
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Read post #69 for an example.

 

[Kent]

I suppose you're right there sphinx.
My thoughts were originally that nobody here would say "since I lost it must be the game" but I suppose that's exactly what was said.
Oh well.

Just as well, I think you've got the right idea about just living with it and moving on. 👍
We could probably work on figuring out the exact reason for the difference in gameplay but I'd rather just play the game.
Any way, I'm headed off to run a few laps... back later. Till then,
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