GT4 WRS Week 76 : "Snake in the Valley"
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Jake
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Do we have scientific proof that this particular race has NTSC advantages? It all seems like we are assuming that it does. We can make assumptions all we want. People can agree on a post because it "sounds" right. But none of us, it seems, knows the truth about the technical differences between NTSC and PAL. Can't we agree on that? If you say that this particular race has an advantage, it needs to be proven. That would stop all the jibberish...
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I also have both versions and after testing some rally events and tar combo's in the past I can say again that the difference is there
I will try this combo also tonight to throw in my 2 cents regarding this event also 
Is it because you are NTSC NA that you dont want to believe that on certain combo's your version literally has it on a plate against PAL racers
You say no-one knows if its true! ...... even after people with both versions have posted on a few occasions to tell you that it does exist
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- Portland, OR
- Jump_Ace
- JUMPxACE
I also have both versions and after testing some rally events and tar combo's in the past I can say again that the difference is there
Is it because you are NTSC NA that you dont want to believe that on certain combo's your version literally has it on a plate against PAL racers
You say no-one knows if its true! ...... even after people with both versions have posted on a few occasions to tell you that it does exist
The few times I've tested both versions it seems sony doenst care about the Europe drivers as they usually get jacked on certain things, like pending release dates on certain upcoming sony gaming devices
Same is true on some combos in the wrs too, or atleast that is what I have experienced.Jerome
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I also have both versions and after testing some rally events and tar combo's in the past I can say again that the difference is there
Is it because you are NTSC NA that you dont want to believe that on certain combo's your version literally has it on a plate against PAL racers
You say no-one knows if its true! ...... even after people with both versions have posted on a few occasions to tell you that it does exist
Well spoken. I agree, there have been several who have posted saying that PAL is slower is than NTSC.
I'm a PAL racer, and in this combo I'll still be going
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The thing is, PAL got off easy in Mission 34, apparently NTSC have to find an extra 5 seconds or something
The thing is, PAL got off easy in Mission 34, apparently NTSC have to find an extra 5 seconds or something
- 8,191
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- GTP_Kent
Mr P
There's no reason to be saying all that now here!
His post stated that he wanted to know the technical reason of PAL's handicap and he'd like to see it proven.
He didn't get insulting and say PAL racers are slower and coming up with excuses or anything silly like that. I'm sure he's insulted and feels like his laps are all invalid or something.
Personally, I can accept the word of the PAL racers who've claimed the PAL version is slower.
However, someone like Jake might not know the PAL racers or their reputations well enough to simply accept their words.
Likewise, there has been no technical reason given other than NTSC is faster for some reason. So with that in mind, I'd say his questions are well founded (more or less) and there is no reason to get nasty with him.
Point is: Let's try to be patient and reasonable when NTSC racers question or doubt and ask for validation of the NTSC advantage.
At the same time...
Jake, I would accept the word of these racers if I were you. 👍
Their in a completely different league. You would be a wise person to listen to them (in general). 👍
What do you guys think the gap is for NTSC's advantage?
(this is an "advantage" and not a PAL handicap)
(I believe PAL has to be the control and NTSC has to be the variable in this case)
Any way...
I've gotta go run now... Can't let an unavoidable advantage kill my interest in the race, I've just got to run faster than I predicted.
(and frankly, with the times listed, and my own prediction of high 1'02s for myself, I'm not at all suprised with the NTSC advantage)
Plus the understeer issues we were talking about earlier!
Any way, back with an edit later today. New fastlap for me please!
Also, I think weary is right about Mission 34, and I know there have always been differences between the versions and their Driving Aids where it is decided for the driver (licenses and whatnot).
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- Kent, UK.
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Leave it switched off for a couple of days Ben, I need to catch up?
...it seems sony doenst care about the Europe drivers as they usually get jacked on certain things, like pending release dates on certain upcoming sony gaming devices
Did you have to bring that up Jerome?
About time I posted some splits methinks.
T1 0'33.366
T2 1'04.251
As I think Kent said about one of his laps.....messy, very messy. Plenty more room for improvement for me then.
Unusually for a race car, I quite like this weeks combo. The car seems to be glued to the road with very little wheelspin so my lead right thumb's not having to do too much thinking, just point and shoot throttle control this week.
Back tomorrow with better times hopefully. 👍
Darren.
Jake
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Thanks for the kind words in my defense, Kent. I have learned a ton by hanging out here. I do nothing but watch and listen to whats going on. Although, I think some of the younger souls on here are quicker to judge than I. I don't feel like my posts are any less significant than the others. I just think that this divide between NTSC and PAL is ridiculous. Can't we just all get along? I am here for the racing competition. How about the rest of you? (reminds me when I teach. I get mac people who have all kinds of reasons why pc's suck and pc people who have all kinds of reasons why mac's suck) some things will never change.
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I was not getting angry with him Kent I was merely pointing out that he was avoiding the posts from 2 drivers who have played both versions and can vouch for the illusive difference between both versions 👍
I'm being a good boy this week! .... ... but still with opinions
Enjoy your race guys
I was merely pointing out that he was avoiding the posts from 2 drivers who have played both versions and can vouch for the illusive difference between both versions 👍 I'm being a good boy this week! ....
... but still with opinions Enjoy your race guys
Jake
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I was not getting angry with him Kent
I'm being a good boy this week! ....
Enjoy your race guys
I understand your point, Ron. You can't hear the inflection of a voice on a post. We just assign one based on our own personalities as we read. Don't know if that makes any sense but thanks for the clarification.
I guess I just want the developers from PD to come out and tell us all what the differences are. The guys who build the game would know more about it than any of us would...
Sphinx
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Well I hope all is good.
I think I'm done with this one because I've hit my lowest possible time.
Maybe within two seconds of the leaders. 
Probably going to put some 200pt. races down in GT mode (having some fun with the M5 for the first time really). So as Mr P said, have fun y'all
Edit:
"Top Notch" Sphinx. 👍
I'm thinking the issue is torque. Assuming the gearing on those two cars is the same, one car was running higher RPM and higher speed but it was earlier in time. So I'm guessing it had more power out of the turn.
What kind of exit speeds did each car have from the exit of the dreaded "S" turn?
Any way, nice slideshow. 👍
I think I'm done with this one because I've hit my lowest possible time.
Maybe within two seconds of the leaders. Probably going to put some 200pt. races down in GT mode (having some fun with the M5 for the first time really). So as Mr P said, have fun y'all
Edit:
"Top Notch" Sphinx. 👍
I'm thinking the issue is torque. Assuming the gearing on those two cars is the same, one car was running higher RPM and higher speed but it was earlier in time. So I'm guessing it had more power out of the turn.
What kind of exit speeds did each car have from the exit of the dreaded "S" turn?
Any way, nice slideshow. 👍
Sphinx
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My thoughts;
Remember this comment from VTRacing earlier in the thread:
I believe that this is the only tangible difference between each version in this weeks race. IMO I don't think it's an NTSC advantage as such, more of a PAL flaw than anything else, because NTSC doesn't appear to have a problem after "7k". Well, not as much as PAL does.
Remember this comment from VTRacing earlier in the thread:
I believe that this is the only tangible difference between each version in this weeks race. IMO I don't think it's an NTSC advantage as such, more of a PAL flaw than anything else, because NTSC doesn't appear to have a problem after "7k". Well, not as much as PAL does.
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- Toronto, Ontario
t1 32.768
t2 1.03.660
nice and fun arcade mode, for once
t2 1.03.660
nice and fun arcade mode, for once
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Some splits for me:
T1: 0`32.900
T2: 1`03.758
Felt like a good lap, maybe a few tenths left for me.
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EDIT: Found an easy 0.3 - 0.4 in T1, now I've just got a string a whole lap together again
T1: 0`32.900
T2: 1`03.758
Felt like a good lap, maybe a few tenths left for me.
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EDIT: Found an easy 0.3 - 0.4 in T1, now I've just got a string a whole lap together again
Here what I have so far:
T1 32.711
T2 1'03.568
As a noob I have question. Don't want to appear as if I'm clueless, (too late) but what the hell are NTSC and PAL? From the posts I gather NTSC is on North American versions and PAL on European/Australian versions? (If I'm excluding any other geographical locations I apologize. Hey gimme a break, I'm from the US, most of us can't don't know there's a difference between Iowa and Idaho). So if someone could fill me in I'd appreciate it. Try to keep the answer on a level Paris Hilton would understand, that way I'm sure to understand it.
T1 32.711
T2 1'03.568
As a noob I have question. Don't want to appear as if I'm clueless, (too late) but what the hell are NTSC and PAL? From the posts I gather NTSC is on North American versions and PAL on European/Australian versions? (If I'm excluding any other geographical locations I apologize. Hey gimme a break, I'm from the US, most of us can't don't know there's a difference between Iowa and Idaho). So if someone could fill me in I'd appreciate it. Try to keep the answer on a level Paris Hilton would understand, that way I'm sure to understand it.
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As a noob I have question. Don't want to appear as if I'm clueless, (too late) but what the hell are NTSC and PAL? From the posts I gather NTSC is on North American versions and PAL on European/Australian versions? (If I'm excluding any other geographical locations I apologize. Hey gimme a break, I'm from the US, most of us can't don't know there's a difference between Iowa and Idaho). So if someone could fill me in I'd appreciate it. Try to keep the answer on a level Paris Hilton would understand, that way I'm sure to understand it.
Ok cool. I love technical explanations! 👍
It has to do with how the pictures are put onto your TV screen. Because America/Other NTSC uses a 60Hz power system, and Europe/Australia/Other PAL places use a 50Hz power system. The frequency (Hz) related to how many times the image can be updated per second. So NTSC has 60 different images displayed on the screen every 1 second. PAL 50 different images every 1 second. (Technically it's 30/25 because of interlacing or something, but that doesn't really matter at the moment).
Also, NTSC has 525 scanlines, and PAL 625. A scan line represents a row of picture elements (pixels) in the image being displayed.
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dear paris,
because of differences in television technics different versions of gt4 have been issued around the world. these are, if i am correct: japan, usa and europe. usa is ntsc and europe is pal. japan i don't know for sure. obviously there are also language differences, and they even changed the garage for those 3 versions. the car list for europe and usa is similar but not entirely the same.
and now it appears as tho there are also differences in car performance between usa (ntsc) and europe (pal). this is bad for olr circles such as ours, because now it is more difficult to compare driving results between those versions.
please correct me if i'm wrong.
because of differences in television technics different versions of gt4 have been issued around the world. these are, if i am correct: japan, usa and europe. usa is ntsc and europe is pal. japan i don't know for sure. obviously there are also language differences, and they even changed the garage for those 3 versions. the car list for europe and usa is similar but not entirely the same.
and now it appears as tho there are also differences in car performance between usa (ntsc) and europe (pal). this is bad for olr circles such as ours, because now it is more difficult to compare driving results between those versions.
please correct me if i'm wrong.
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Correct. Although Japan and Asia have their own special NTSC region, known as NTSC-J. All of North America, Central America, and the West Coast of South America use NTSC-M (Which is commonly shorterned to NTSC, I've never seen NTSC-M on anything). And PAL is pretty much everywhere else that uses a PAL TV system (Australia, Europe), or SECAM (France, some of Africa, some former Soviet countries.)
Mostly the difference between the versions are the names. For example, in my PAL version the Miata is the MX-5. The Fairlady is a 350z, etc...
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