GT5 Lap Time Board

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These numbers, how did you arrive at 345 points for the Ibiza ect?

I'm imagining you rank them out of different things like, top speed, acceleration, bhp, torque and whatnot then give them a score relative to their performance.
Or do you score them based on their laptimes at your 10 different tracks?

EDIT: After going through your posts again, I understand it a little better. You dont have to give away your secret formula if you dont want to, I just thought I'd ask how you rate your cars as it seems to come to a very specific number.

It's no a secret, just a loooooooooooooot of math ;)
Now you have understood that there are two formula I can explain it better.

The evaluation formula (based on IRL car stats) is very tough to write here, as it has annidated formula inside. I evaluated 900+ cars with this method, and used PP for many race cars:

for example, for car n° 181 is:

=(((LOG(I181)*300*((SE(H181="FR";tab.$C$40)+SE(H181="FF";tab.$C$39)+SE(H181="MR";tab.$C$41)+SE(H181="RR";tab.$C$42)+SE(H181="4x";tab.$C$43))*((((((AN181+(AP181+AO181)/20)/AM181)*tab.$C$35)+((AP181+AO181)/2)^2/tab.$C$36)+((K181/I181)-tab.$C$37)/tab.$C$38)+tab.$C$44))+1412/(((O181+80)/(I181*1,078))+LOG(T181+tab.$C$33)))/4,37735)+100,02)*(CERCA.VERT(AQ181;tab.$B$229:$D$237;3;0))

Basic car parameters are:
H is powertrain
I is power in metric HP
K is torque in Nm
O is car weigth (in kg)
AM is car heigth in cm (m^-2)
AN is car track in cm
AP is front tire size (width, in cm)
AO is rear tire size (width, in cm)
AQ is tire (comfort medium for almost all cars)

tab.$C$33....44 are tables with constants
tab.$B$229:$D$237 is the tire grip level table (values are 1 for N2 tires, 1.139 for R1 tires, with in between proportional values: don't modeled R2 and R3 yet, but I have to do for some cars)

ODF format words are:
SE is italian for IF
CERCA.VERT can be find.vert in english

Example: the In Real Life Ibiza is evaluated with 307.58 points (CM tires), which is lower than 401PP calculated by PD (SS or RH/RM/RS tires)
 
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Now the ranking formula, which is pretty simple; for car nr. 12:

=tab.$Q$49/G12+tab.$Q$52/I12+tab.$Q$50/K12+tab.$Q$53/M12+tab.$Q$54/O12+tab.$Q$55/R12+tab.$Q$56/U12+tab.$Q$57/X12+tab.$Q$58/Z12+tab.$Q$59/AD12-99,19

I said ranking was a weighted average:
G12....Z12 are laptimes over the 10 tracks (in seconds)
tab.$Q$49....59 are the weights for the 10 tracks
-99.19 is just a constant to compare rankings with PP

Track weights are based on a calculation (another formula.....) which in a dynamic way take count of:
- track lenght
- track speed (dynamic, based on my lap records)
- the number of races held in each of the 10 tracks
- the number of races for a track speed class

If anyone is interested I can build a sheet for you, as mine is a little full of data, notes and junk. I'm going to open a thread with actual car rankings (40 cars). I could add there 3rd part data, but haven't find people so crazy to lap all these tracks (and stocks with CM tires :D )

Down to the Ibiza, my hotlaps give her a GT5 performace of 345.53 points which is a higher value than the evaluation.

I have to change the scale for these values before posting them, as I want a direct comparison between PP, evaluation and ranking points.
Only recently I found world (?) lap records for the X1, and ranking gives her 1061.93 points, which is too high compared to actual PP.

Note: changing the scale is not hacking the math, just fix min and max values of the range!

The interesting thing is that evaluation and ranking seems to be more connected each other than PP/ranking. Remember than ranking is a true value of the car based on laptimes. PP and evaluation points are a theorical estimation based on car parameters. Some PP values are crazy. The Lotus Elan is quite crap for a 399PP car. The 340 PP Prius was a little faster than the Lotus (317 ranking points vs 315). Evaluation was around 299 for both ;) :D
 
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Wow that is some serious maths and formulas going on there, I'm glad you've worked it out to be so consistent....

Don't think I'll be emulating it any time soon though haha :scared:, thanks for trying to explain it. 👍
 
Wow that is some serious maths and formulas going on there, I'm glad you've worked it out to be so consistent....

Don't think I'll be emulating it any time soon though haha :scared:, thanks for trying to explain it. 👍

Could be hard to understand but straightaway to use in a calc sheet. You just have to enter laptimes. I can send you a ranking calculator just for Autumn and Monza UC, if you like. A slow and a superfast track will not be as accurate as 10 tracks but nice enough to have an idea of it.
 
Sorry for DP, but the sheet is still corrupted and now someone added times and saved too.
 
I've added a load of times in to various tracks. I have just realised when going through checking settings that I have had the traction control on 5. I will have to try with it turned off.
 
You are losing time. The sheet has to be reloaded since 10 days ago!!!!

Copy/paste your times elsewhere, or will be lost.

Admins, please fix it. The doc is usable 1 day and 10 no. We can't continue like this!!!
 
You are losing time. The sheet has to be reloaded since 10 days ago!!!!

Copy/paste your times elsewhere, or will be lost.

Admins, please fix it. The doc is usable 1 day and 10 no. We can't continue like this!!!

100% Agree.
This sheet is a nice idea, but is not working thanks to trolls... This is the reason because some users (like me) aren't using it.
While the sheet is open to all (including stupid people) I will not use anymore.
 
I sent to the administrator a specific request about board administration. If he not reply in a reasonable time, we will have to start a new one... Stay tuned.
 
Hey HotRodKing, all the data from Autumn Ring is gone, which is where I had a lot of times can you have a look at it. :)

Also the first page, Nordeschleife and maybe some others are gone too.

Hows the other site that you were making going?
 
the interface on those google sites wasnt very good. Haven't really started to make a real website because I dont know HTML. I felt like the google doc would stay good enough.

Since i was on vacation for over a week, I dont really know how far back i should restore the doc to. When did users notice the missing pages and ill knock it back in time to that day.
 
IMO the problem is not the lack of admins in the doc. We can't be watching all the time and restoring every time the trolls do their work. This is not a solution.
I think we should close edit acces to all, and just give permisions to people we trust. This way everybody has to sign in to edit the doc, so if someone deletes something we will know who has deleted it, and we can ban him.
Racers who wants to use it can contact with us in this thread, and a admin will give the permisions. Is a bit of work, but it will result in a stable sheet. (I think most GTP users will be nice users)
If we do this way, I can contribute as a admin. The actual way IMO is a waste of time, and is more fun to the trolls...

What do you think about this?
 
I restored the board as it was on 1st of July, 4.19 (time of board owner?) as all following revisions were corrupted. After that I saved to make a new starting point. Now waiting for HotRodKing pm reply before editing.

Note to all users: all times added after 1/7 were deleted. Please wait for board full restore and admin news before adding new ones, thanks.
 
I just suggested to duck that we could have it simply editable by people signed in with gmail. as someone could still troll, all the deleted pages I have seen have been from people without or not logged into a gmail account. this way, we will at least know who did the deed, yet will allow more people to edit without having to wait for an admin approval.

as for now, i will make it editable by gmail users and if we continue to have problems, we can do an invite only system.
 
Glad to see somethings happened, as I haven't bothered putting anything up while the board was in such bad shape.
Bummer I dont have a gmail account though :(
 
Glad to see somethings happened, as I haven't bothered putting anything up while the board was in such bad shape.
Bummer I dont have a gmail account though :(

You can create one for free in less than 5 minutes. Also I think you can sign in with your hotmail.
 
So something went screwy with the board when i clicked the "must be singed in to edit" box. Now it reset some things and has to wait for the owner to apporve people. Since the owner does not use this doc at all anymore, I contacted him and told him to go approve us or transfer ownership to me. It should be back up and running tonight. Sorry for that.


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everything is up and running again as far as i know. I cant tell if someone has to be approved by an editor to edit or if they just need to sing in.

Duck, you are the only person in this thread allowed as an editor at this moment.

anyone who has a google account, but is not on our list of editors, please try to edit the doc while singed in and report on what happened.

I feel like this will be a good system.
 
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So something went screwy with the board when i clicked the "must be singed in to edit" box. Now it reset some things and has to wait for the owner to apporve people. Since the owner does not use this doc at all anymore, I contacted him and told him to go approve us or transfer ownership to me. It should be back up and running tonight. Sorry for that.


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everything is up and running again as far as i know. I cant tell if someone has to be approved by an editor to edit or if they just need to sing in.

Duck, you are the only person in this thread allowed as an editor at this moment.

anyone who has a google account, but is not on our list of editors, please try to edit the doc while singed in and report on what happened.

I feel like this will be a good system.

I tryed to edit the board but I can't. (I signed in with my gmail acount). I'm in view only mode.
 
Just so you know it works.
I tried to enter some times but I'm in view mode only too.

I really don't want to have to make another account... but I may just have to :ouch:




Unless I put my times here and some really nice person does it for me :sly:
 
Other than me, the owner and HotRodKing (which also see connected to the board) I see other 3 users can edit. Can you recheck?
 
Other than me, the owner and HotRodKing (which also see connected to the board) I see other 3 users can edit. Can you recheck?

If your talking to me Duck, than I definitely CAN NOT edit the doc.
 
I am the owner now so I will be ready to add people who give their emails! PM me if you dont want to post them on the thread
 
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