GT5 Lap Time Board
- Thread starter HotRodKing
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- 576
- Sydney, Australia
- GTP_BroncosXR8 or BroncosXR8
Renault Sport Megane '08
RSMegane_Autumn Ring_006 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
My current favourite FF
Autumn Ring - 1:32.190
Monza NC - 2:06.387
Nordeschleife T&W - 8.33.915
RSMegane_Autumn Ring_007 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
RSMegane_Nürburgring Nordschleife_001 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
RSMegane_Autumn Ring_006 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
My current favourite FF
Autumn Ring - 1:32.190
Monza NC - 2:06.387
Nordeschleife T&W - 8.33.915
RSMegane_Autumn Ring_007 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
RSMegane_Nürburgring Nordschleife_001 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
- 576
- Sydney, Australia
- GTP_BroncosXR8 or BroncosXR8
My Speed Six challenge!
TVR Tuscan Speed Six '00 and RM
Stock (Sports Hards)
Autumn Ring - 1:29.230
Monza NC - 1:56.793
Nordeschleife T&W - 8:55.206 WET
Speed6_Nürburgring Nordschleife_006 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
Stock RM (No additional parts Sports Hards)
Autumn Ring - 1:25.739
Monza NC - 1:49.697
Nordeschleife T&W - 8:34.306 WET
Full RM (All additional parts, some tweaking, Race Hards/Wets)
Autumn Ring - 1:16.479
Monza NC - 1:35.050
Nordeschleife - 6:55.615
Le Mans 2009 T&W - 4:21.617 WET
and because I took heaps of photos, and I'm sure you all want to see them
S6_RM_Monza_001 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
S6_RM_Autumn Ring_012 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
S6_RM_Circuit de la Sarthe 2009_002 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
S6_RM_Nürburgring Nordschleife_001 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
The Stock Speed Six can be a little bit of a handful, it doesnt have much grip on the Sports Hard tyres and at Autumn Ring actually posts a slower time than the T350C which has more weight and less power! Although on the other tracks it superior power to weight ratio gets it up, this car is also hampered by a 5 speed gearbox - which even the fully modded RM car retains
The RM version looks hot and is a blast to drive and sounds wicked (try a lap using 3rd person view just to hear the note!) it still has a little corner entry understeer that can be dialled out with some front end toe adjustment and it will also need the topspeed raised just slightly!
Have fun with this one I did
TVR Tuscan Speed Six '00 and RM
Stock (Sports Hards)
Autumn Ring - 1:29.230
Monza NC - 1:56.793
Nordeschleife T&W - 8:55.206 WET
Speed6_Nürburgring Nordschleife_006 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
Stock RM (No additional parts Sports Hards)
Autumn Ring - 1:25.739
Monza NC - 1:49.697
Nordeschleife T&W - 8:34.306 WET
Full RM (All additional parts, some tweaking, Race Hards/Wets)
Autumn Ring - 1:16.479
Monza NC - 1:35.050
Nordeschleife - 6:55.615
Le Mans 2009 T&W - 4:21.617 WET
and because I took heaps of photos, and I'm sure you all want to see them
S6_RM_Monza_001 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
S6_RM_Autumn Ring_012 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
S6_RM_Circuit de la Sarthe 2009_002 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
S6_RM_Nürburgring Nordschleife_001 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
The Stock Speed Six can be a little bit of a handful, it doesnt have much grip on the Sports Hard tyres and at Autumn Ring actually posts a slower time than the T350C which has more weight and less power! Although on the other tracks it superior power to weight ratio gets it up, this car is also hampered by a 5 speed gearbox - which even the fully modded RM car retains
The RM version looks hot and is a blast to drive and sounds wicked (try a lap using 3rd person view just to hear the note!) it still has a little corner entry understeer that can be dialled out with some front end toe adjustment and it will also need the topspeed raised just slightly!
Have fun with this one I did
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- TenEightyOne
- TenEightyOne
I don't know if the WLR Database has all the information that you require, but feel free to convert records from there if you wish.
All times in there are certified by lobby hosts/admins, and by looking up the comp you can see the per-lap build rules. GT5 events show 'GT5' in the PI column... we originally worked exclusively in Forza
All times in there are certified by lobby hosts/admins, and by looking up the comp you can see the per-lap build rules. GT5 events show 'GT5' in the PI column... we originally worked exclusively in Forza
- 576
- Sydney, Australia
- GTP_BroncosXR8 or BroncosXR8
Zonda R '09
ZondaR_Nürburgring Nordschleife_001 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
Autumn Ring - 1:13.495
Monza NC - 1:31.465
Le Sarthe 2009 T&W - 3:52.908
Nordeschleife T&W - 8:25.364 WET 2 Spins
Talk about throttle control!
ZondaR_Nürburgring Nordschleife_000 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
ZondaR_Nürburgring Nordschleife_001 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
Autumn Ring - 1:13.495
Monza NC - 1:31.465
Le Sarthe 2009 T&W - 3:52.908
Nordeschleife T&W - 8:25.364 WET 2 Spins
Talk about throttle control!ZondaR_Nürburgring Nordschleife_000 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
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- 2,624
- Sardinia, Italy
- papero1974
Added times on my 10 test tracks for:
Alfa Spider Duetto
VW Lupo GTI: as fun as the Peugeot 106 Rallye, but faster
Honda CRZ: less fun as above, due to the longer (too long?) gear spacing but more glued to ground.
Also tried the PDI Kart on Tsukuba, L.Seca, G.Valley, Monaco & Suzuka. Engine overhaul in progress.... that thing is a mad rabbit. I was aware to avoid kerbs, but it seems a grasshopper in almost all the circuits I tried for. Only Grand Valley tarmac seems quite flat. Completing a lap on the 'ring will be a challenge.
Alfa Spider Duetto
VW Lupo GTI: as fun as the Peugeot 106 Rallye, but faster
Honda CRZ: less fun as above, due to the longer (too long?) gear spacing but more glued to ground.
Also tried the PDI Kart on Tsukuba, L.Seca, G.Valley, Monaco & Suzuka. Engine overhaul in progress.... that thing is a mad rabbit. I was aware to avoid kerbs, but it seems a grasshopper in almost all the circuits I tried for. Only Grand Valley tarmac seems quite flat. Completing a lap on the 'ring will be a challenge.
- 199
- Fremont, California
- HotRodKing
for some reason the sheets were hidden. not sure why but i un-hid them
- 2,624
- Sardinia, Italy
- papero1974
Thanks for fixing.
Added Lotus Elan '62 on 10 tracks. In GT4 it was glued on earth. In GT5, maybe..... more realistic.
- 2,624
- Sardinia, Italy
- papero1974
Ehi! Are you only grinding Kei cars at Eifel?
I made a little pause to hotlap the outstanding Prius '09 on ten tracks. Good cornering for a FF but the power is managed in a very unusually way. Maybe PD has implemented a very realistic logic, or a very bad one. Batteries never discharge, and the cpu cut off the electric engine very often, compensating by putting the petrol one in the max power range. With both engines on, sometimes the petrol engine is at max power (around 5000rpm), other times in the torque peak.
I was at 202kph at Le Mans at 3000rpm, at half the way cpu decided to shorten the cvt gear.... engine instantly went to 5000rpm and the car was boosted to 205kph in a few seconds.
This crazyness make the car very difficult to drive, with only the speedometer (not very large...) as only help.
Comparing it with the Honda Insight, it has a bigger engine, so the car is a little faster, but with unpredictable performance. I wonder if the IRL car is the same!!! Also electric power drops very quickly in the Honda, and the petrol engine is far too little to move that car. Handling seems comparable, but Toyota has less understeer.
I made a little pause to hotlap the outstanding Prius '09 on ten tracks. Good cornering for a FF but the power is managed in a very unusually way. Maybe PD has implemented a very realistic logic, or a very bad one. Batteries never discharge, and the cpu cut off the electric engine very often, compensating by putting the petrol one in the max power range. With both engines on, sometimes the petrol engine is at max power (around 5000rpm), other times in the torque peak.
I was at 202kph at Le Mans at 3000rpm, at half the way cpu decided to shorten the cvt gear.... engine instantly went to 5000rpm and the car was boosted to 205kph in a few seconds.
This crazyness make the car very difficult to drive, with only the speedometer (not very large...) as only help.
Comparing it with the Honda Insight, it has a bigger engine, so the car is a little faster, but with unpredictable performance. I wonder if the IRL car is the same!!! Also electric power drops very quickly in the Honda, and the petrol engine is far too little to move that car. Handling seems comparable, but Toyota has less understeer.
- 2,624
- Sardinia, Italy
- papero1974
- 535
- Roma
- andreadg89
I restored the document at his version of 14 June, 8:59 PM. Anyone that added lap times after that moment can check if their last laptimes are here, and eventually re-insert them 
The title of Nordschleife sheet still needs to be fixed, but I don't know how to do that, hope that Broncos or HotRodKing can make it
The title of Nordschleife sheet still needs to be fixed, but I don't know how to do that, hope that Broncos or HotRodKing can make it
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- 576
- Sydney, Australia
- GTP_BroncosXR8 or BroncosXR8
Nice to see someone else doing pics too even though thats not what this thread is about, it does help to give a visual of what cars we are using, especially modded ones like yours 👍
I'm back after a 5 week absence and will be back to hot lapping tomorrow
even though thats not what this thread is about, it does help to give a visual of what cars we are using, especially modded ones like yours 👍I'm back after a 5 week absence and will be back to hot lapping tomorrow
- 199
- Fremont, California
- HotRodKing
Its been so long since i checked up on this board! nice to see that it hasn't fallen to pieces and that people have been keeping it up pretty well. I've been spending most of my time in the game racing online recently. I will be adding some more times soon hopefully.
One thing that looks like hasn't been happening is that people aren't putting their PSN names on the driver list on page one. If anyone who has added a time recently sees this, can they please add their PSN to the driver list? Thanks
One thing that looks like hasn't been happening is that people aren't putting their PSN names on the driver list on page one. If anyone who has added a time recently sees this, can they please add their PSN to the driver list? Thanks
- 576
- Sydney, Australia
- GTP_BroncosXR8 or BroncosXR8
It was my Birthday recently so I received my Birthday tickets courtesy of PD.
Being a child of 1983 doesn't lend to many really desirable cars and so I got the...
Mitsubishi Lancer EX 1800GSR IC Turbo '83
Lancer EX 1800GSR IC Turbo_Autumn Ring_001 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
Autumn Ring - 1:37.664
Monza NC - 2:18.692
Le Sarthe 2009 T&W - 5:49.441 (wet)
Nordeschleife T&W - 9:51.996 (wet)
Lancer EX 1800GSR IC Turbo_Nürburgring Nordschleife_001 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
Not a bad little car really, besides its boxy design, it has a nice little turbo motor that can defy the laws of aerodynamics pushing this piece of lego to over 200km/h!
P.S For some reason I got two Birthday tickets, one said it was due to the PSN outage and me not receiving the first (which I did), not arguing anyway... now I have two 1980's lego blocks!👍
Being a child of 1983 doesn't lend to many really desirable cars and so I got the...
Mitsubishi Lancer EX 1800GSR IC Turbo '83
Lancer EX 1800GSR IC Turbo_Autumn Ring_001 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
Autumn Ring - 1:37.664
Monza NC - 2:18.692
Le Sarthe 2009 T&W - 5:49.441 (wet)
Nordeschleife T&W - 9:51.996 (wet)
Lancer EX 1800GSR IC Turbo_Nürburgring Nordschleife_001 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
Not a bad little car really, besides its boxy design, it has a nice little turbo motor that can defy the laws of aerodynamics pushing this piece of lego to over 200km/h!
P.S For some reason I got two Birthday tickets, one said it was due to the PSN outage and me not receiving the first (which I did), not arguing anyway... now I have two 1980's lego blocks!👍
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- Fremont, California
- HotRodKing
so someone deleted every single sheet and then made one at the end that said "oops.."
looking through the revision history, I found that someone logged into google as "axecutioner999" logged on at 10:48 PM PT and deleted the first two pages. After that there is a record that someone under an anonymous name deleted each of the remaining sheets one by one. I would say that it is safe to assume that Axecutioner deleted all of the sheets and just did not realize that they were logged in the first two times sheets were deleted. The only reason I am posting this is to show that I can figure out who deletes what and when. Please dont waste your time. It took almost 10 minutes to delete each one and took me about 2 to restore the document.
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Photo explanation
looking through the revision history, I found that someone logged into google as "axecutioner999" logged on at 10:48 PM PT and deleted the first two pages. After that there is a record that someone under an anonymous name deleted each of the remaining sheets one by one. I would say that it is safe to assume that Axecutioner deleted all of the sheets and just did not realize that they were logged in the first two times sheets were deleted. The only reason I am posting this is to show that I can figure out who deletes what and when. Please dont waste your time. It took almost 10 minutes to delete each one and took me about 2 to restore the document.
EDIT:
Photo explanation
- 2,624
- Sardinia, Italy
- papero1974
After more than a week spent mostly with Caterhams, Civics and Cappuccinos WHERE YOU KNOW, it's time to retake production cars for some quick laps 👍
You may have realized that I'm hotlapping cars in a progressive search for faster ones.
I have a list of 200 favorite cars. Here are #38 #39 and #40 of that list.
Let's continue the hot hatch battle. After some slower cars (Lupo GTI, Punto, etc) it's time to enter a higher range of cars. I started with:
- Citroen C4 VTS: 2.0 N/A engine, compact class
- Peugeot 207 GTI: 1.6 turbo engine, subcompact
- Seat Ibiza Cupra: 1.8 turbo engine, subcompact
Stats say Ibiza would be faster: 401 PP vs 383 (C4) and 390 (207 GTI), and also my evalutation gives similar results:
307.58 Ibiza, the lightest
304.88 207 GTI, mid weighted and torque master
304 C4, heavier and with less torque, but with 225 tires and a better aerodynamic
So the facts, I added times on every one of my 10 test tracks, with no surprises
The C4 was a good run, but its good aerodynamics only worked at Daytona SS. Larger tires was made for a good grip, and the car is funny to drive, with a little manageable understeer. My first car to break the Nordschleife 9 minutes wall.
The 207 surprised me for the setup. No turn-in understeer at all, just a little exiting tight corners, and a very good handling in-corner. If you miss the apex, a little touch on the brakes and the nose turn in with easy. Top speed surprised me, as CX is not that good, but torque at hi revs helps a lot.
Finally, the Ibiza. At first try I said: "what a bad gear spacing!" The Citroen and the Peugeot gears are very well spaced. Ibiza has a shorter 1st and 2nd, and a much taller 5th
Second words: "what a shame, with this understeer, the 207 can't be beaten".
Surely I said it in italian, and not as clean speaking as I report here.
After a few laps I realized that the Ibiza has a very stiff setup, which give you a lot of understeer. If you miss braking point it's almost impossible to turn in and hit apex. With some laps I managed to brake correctly, and was surprised for how much speed I was carrying through the corners! At Nordschleife it's about 7" faster than the 207 GTI, and 9" compared to the C4. Also my first car to break the 5' wall at Le Mans unchicaned.
The Ibiza can't beat the GTI on slower tracks (Montecarlo, Tsukuba, L.Seca) and also is not very fun at Suzuka. Its field are medium to very fast tracks, and it's the overall winner, at this time.
Ranking:
Ibiza 345 pts.
207 344 pts.
C4 339 pts.
The battle continues.....
You may have realized that I'm hotlapping cars in a progressive search for faster ones.
I have a list of 200 favorite cars. Here are #38 #39 and #40 of that list.
Let's continue the hot hatch battle. After some slower cars (Lupo GTI, Punto, etc) it's time to enter a higher range of cars. I started with:
- Citroen C4 VTS: 2.0 N/A engine, compact class
- Peugeot 207 GTI: 1.6 turbo engine, subcompact
- Seat Ibiza Cupra: 1.8 turbo engine, subcompact
Stats say Ibiza would be faster: 401 PP vs 383 (C4) and 390 (207 GTI), and also my evalutation gives similar results:
307.58 Ibiza, the lightest
304.88 207 GTI, mid weighted and torque master
304 C4, heavier and with less torque, but with 225 tires and a better aerodynamic
So the facts, I added times on every one of my 10 test tracks, with no surprises
The C4 was a good run, but its good aerodynamics only worked at Daytona SS. Larger tires was made for a good grip, and the car is funny to drive, with a little manageable understeer. My first car to break the Nordschleife 9 minutes wall.
The 207 surprised me for the setup. No turn-in understeer at all, just a little exiting tight corners, and a very good handling in-corner. If you miss the apex, a little touch on the brakes and the nose turn in with easy. Top speed surprised me, as CX is not that good, but torque at hi revs helps a lot.
Finally, the Ibiza. At first try I said: "what a bad gear spacing!" The Citroen and the Peugeot gears are very well spaced. Ibiza has a shorter 1st and 2nd, and a much taller 5th
Second words: "what a shame, with this understeer, the 207 can't be beaten".
Surely I said it in italian, and not as clean speaking as I report here.
After a few laps I realized that the Ibiza has a very stiff setup, which give you a lot of understeer. If you miss braking point it's almost impossible to turn in and hit apex. With some laps I managed to brake correctly, and was surprised for how much speed I was carrying through the corners! At Nordschleife it's about 7" faster than the 207 GTI, and 9" compared to the C4. Also my first car to break the 5' wall at Le Mans unchicaned.
The Ibiza can't beat the GTI on slower tracks (Montecarlo, Tsukuba, L.Seca) and also is not very fun at Suzuka. Its field are medium to very fast tracks, and it's the overall winner, at this time.
Ranking:
Ibiza 345 pts.
207 344 pts.
C4 339 pts.
The battle continues.....
- 576
- Sydney, Australia
- GTP_BroncosXR8 or BroncosXR8
- 2,624
- Sardinia, Italy
- papero1974
Which one, the evaluation one or the ranking?
Be prepared for a very annoying explanation
The evaluation one.
I developed through some weeks an empiric formula (nothing to do with ProfessCars of www.automobile-catalog.com) which takes count of a lot of parameters: power, torque, weight, drivetrain, width of the car, tire size and compound, height (as an estimation of center of gravity). The result is a good prediction of the car's performance. Sometimes more accurated than PP, sometimes not.
I did it before the introduction of PP, and the much of time was collecting IRL car data. I find it very useful to compare production cars with legit tires with racing cars, as it is impossible now with the new PP system. Also will have to adjust some parameters in the future, for very extreme cars.
The ranking one.
I selected 10 of my fav tracks, which are also sample of a track class (from slow to superspeedway). Also took in count how much the circuits in a track class are important in A-Spec (ie how many times it is used in A-spec). Laptimes are then normalized to a standard track lengths.
So, the ranking points are a weighted average of the 10 lap times, normalized another time to be near the PP value. This value is balanced before PD decided to not take in count tires, or better, to standardize PP values with an unknown tire for all cars (Racing hard? Sports soft? Who knows?).
I developed this system for GT2. In GT4 first, and GT5 after, only had to update track data.
Both formulas are in ods format.
I wonder if someone read it all
- 576
- Sydney, Australia
- GTP_BroncosXR8 or BroncosXR8
Which one, the evaluation one or the ranking?
Be prepared for a very annoying explanation
The evaluation one.
I developed through some weeks an empiric formula (nothing to do with ProfessCars of www.automobile-catalog.com) which takes count of a lot of parameters: power, torque, weight, drivetrain, width of the car, tire size and compound, height (as an estimation of center of gravity). The result is a good prediction of the car's performance. Sometimes more accurated than PP, sometimes not.
I did it before the introduction of PP, and the much of time was collecting IRL car data. I find it very useful to compare production cars with legit tires with racing cars, as it is impossible now with the new PP system. Also will have to adjust some parameters in the future, for very extreme cars.
The ranking one.
I selected 10 of my fav tracks, which are also sample of a track class (from slow to superspeedway). Also took in count how much the circuits in a track class are important in A-Spec (ie how many times it is used in A-spec). Laptimes are then normalized to a standard track lengths.
So, the ranking points are a weighted average of the 10 lap times, normalized another time to be near the PP value. This value is balanced before PD decided to not take in count tires, or better, to standardize PP values with an unknown tire for all cars (Racing hard? Sports soft? Who knows?).
I developed this system for GT2. In GT4 first, and GT5 after, only had to update track data.
Both formulas are in ods format.
I wonder if someone read it all
I read it, thanks for posting it all...
Though I still have no idea how you worked out the points for each car haha
Going on with the theme from my last post in which I received two Bday tickets, here is the second.
Nissan Silvia 240RS (S110) '83
240RS_Monza No Chicane_003 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
This thing absolutley blew me away, so I had to go and read the blurb on it... turns out it is a 200 car special, made to homologate the car for Rally racing just before Group B and AWD took off.
That explains why its a drifting BEAST than!
240RS_Monza No Chicane_002 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
Autumn Ring - 1:31.912 (with massive drifts)
Monza NC - 2:07.518
Le Sarthe T&W - 5:34.418 (WET)
Nordeschleife T&W - 9:34.628 (WET)
Top speed is a relatively low 200-203 km/h, probably due to it being a closely geared Rally box, this hurts its times everywhere except Autumn Ring.
240RS_Monza No Chicane_000 by BroncosXR8, on Flickr
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- Sardinia, Italy
- papero1974
Though I still have no idea how you worked out the points for each car haha
What do you mean?
- 576
- Sydney, Australia
- GTP_BroncosXR8 or BroncosXR8
These numbers, how did you arrive at 345 points for the Ibiza ect?
I'm imagining you rank them out of different things like, top speed, acceleration, bhp, torque and whatnot then give them a score relative to their performance.
Or do you score them based on their laptimes at your 10 different tracks?
EDIT: After going through your posts again, I understand it a little better. You dont have to give away your secret formula if you dont want to, I just thought I'd ask how you rate your cars as it seems to come to a very specific number.
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