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- GTP_Spag69
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I have to agree the top gear track is pants.
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- evolutionNL
Doesn't matter to me who makes the best game. For me the GT series have been better so far. If in the next generation Forza is better, I will play more Forza.
GT has a little history in my case, because I played them all. So I will always be a little more attracted to GT.
GT has a little history in my case, because I played them all. So I will always be a little more attracted to GT.
This is pretty much exactly how I feel, Top Gear used to pretty much be perfect but then everybody in Top Gear left and made Fifth Gear.
The two shows are just leagues apart and this description may only mean something to UK members but I find Top Gear to be the Richard & Judy of car shows.
And now that Ben Collins has announced he's joining Fifth Gear there is just nothing left in the show that interests me.
Given the option I would also prefer to have the Fifth Gear track in the game for two reasons:
Anyway, it's all off topic really and it will be quite nice to take on The Stig's times on the Top Gear track in November.
- It's a far more interesting track.
- The Fifth Gear track is my local track and I'd be able to swear at he house of one of my ex girlfriends as I drive past. Just saying, that's all!
What exactly is the fascination with Fifth gear? If anything, it tries to be Top Gear without actually even getting close. The only person on it thats worth a pinch of dung is Tiff. The rest of them are poor presenters with the aptitude of a monkey eating a banana. The fact is, they try too hard to be Topgear and it makes for poor TV. The only reason I see why Tiff isn't on Topgear is because they already have a tried and tested setup that would be spoilt with Tiffs superior understanding of cars and dry sense of humor.
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- Porto
- Burnout_PT
Only Tiff? Any of the 3 (Tiff, Plato or Vicky) testers is WAY better than all of the Top Gear presenters put together as a driver/tester. They are objective while stating there personal preferences as well, as being (or having been) pro racing pilots.
And the show also address other car issues, with other presenters, because Fifth Gear has chosen a different stance than the merrier and maybe more entertaining TopGear. They are surely not trying to copy TG.
But it's in now way inferior, nor their drivers.
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What I found hard to accept and understand (and this is not directly towards you but to many other GT fans who seem to think as you) is why should a simple videogame fan be "concerned" or "scared" of the development of newer and better games/franchises within the genre.
I mean, this point of view seems somewhat like a football-fan discussion, where fans from team PD are scared of potentially superstars signings of team Turn10 for the upcoming season and, therefore, menacing their championship holder status!...
Come on! As much enjoyable the GT series is to me, I will be more than happy if a similarly good and enjoyable game appear to compete with it! That will always be my win as a consumer because quality choices for my entertainment will increase!
Regarding the issue of one franchise assuring exclusivety of some contents, that's simply market laws! Each company will try to assure to their own series the best content and, if possible to have them exclusively, the better! It's a matter of how much each company, by limitation or strategy is willing to spent on it. We can't have Porsche in GT because of it? Yes it's a shame, but that's how things are. The best you can do is to get an Xbox and Forza and drive Porsche's there!
I don't own a Xbox360. But I have no issue at all in having one if I feel that Forza is worth buying it! Now this doesn't mean at all that Forza is a poorer game of inferior to GT. Just simply that between the two I choose the PS3 and GT is sufficient (together with other racing titles) to fulfill my racing wishes, so there's no need to spend the extra hundreds of Euros on getting a new console and Forza. If Forza 4 change this, well I'll buy it (if I can). Why not?
Pie 'n' Peas
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You know what I think? I think you worry too much!
Who cares what Microsoft bring out on the their next machine? So Forza 4 ends up being fantastic, amazing, everything GT5 is and more, with all official licenses and whatnot. Great, I'll buy their new machine and Forza 4 because I'll be bored of GT5/6 by then.
After that, PD will bring out GT7 on the next PlayStation and then it will swing the other way. It's called competition, and it's a good thing. As gamers, we win both ways, but only if you are:
a) Not a fanboy who chooses to stick to one machine out of spite.
b) Somebody who gets jealous of what is on the other machine because they cannot afford to own more than one.
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I think all GT fans should be and I find it interesting that people would argue with something so obvious, but then maybe you are foolish elitists as I thought.
Yes, you have the right idea...
OK then. You shall expect to pay a premium for that support. Why do you think Logitech / Fanatech wheels don't work with the XBox 360 today? It's not a hardware problem & software can be added to provide support. It's all about money.
Your 2nd point seems fair to me. I have no problem with "competition" except when the competition prevents a competitor from doing something similar.
Yes. F1 & WRC are not licenses owned by Sony anyway, but this is not preventing us from getting some select F1 car(s), Rally cars, NASCAR cars, etc, nor is it preventing us from getting some piece of the action with the NASCAR, WRC licenses. Clearly Codemasters does not have the money Microsoft does to close out the competition completely.
This. Think about how Microsoft could go to many more car manufacturers and pay them more money than Sony (or any other game developer) could afford - or might want - to pay. For one car manufacturer - Porsche - it is a problem for Sony to pay what is asked for. Imagine this for 10 more major manufacturers... Suddenly you will have all important car manufacturers acting like Porsche who will not agree to license deals without v.high license fees. The kind of money Microsoft can pay and will pay to dominate - that Sony and others can't and won't.
Then where can GT go? Where can other driving games go? Where is the "competition" then?
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- Porto
- Burnout_PT
Not just directly @LordVonPS3, but in general:
Honestly, what "worries" me, is the amount of people that post and reply in this thread under the assumption a GTPer = PS3/GT "fanboy" elitist.
I thought we were "just" petrol headed GT fans.
Honestly, what "worries" me, is the amount of people that post and reply in this thread under the assumption a GTPer = PS3/GT "fanboy" elitist.
I thought we were "just" petrol headed GT fans.
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- Lilday / GTP_Lilday
In all honesty if MS and T10 make Forza 4 and its awesome then I'll just buy it.
There is no point in being a fanboy about one game or the other, I can happily buy both and enjoy both. The only reason I haven't bought a 360 and F3 is because you have to pay for Live, which is daylight robbery.
There is no point in being a fanboy about one game or the other, I can happily buy both and enjoy both. The only reason I haven't bought a 360 and F3 is because you have to pay for Live, which is daylight robbery.
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1st, the game HAS to be good or it won't sell and there will be no money to pay for the licenses...
2nd, if that does happen, GT will go back to the drawing board to find a way to get back into the game (like MS and Forza did the past few years...)
Again, that's competition. It is good.
Dapper
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Elite is questionable
a fool I am not. Your scope considering a brand or track says who is being foolish.
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If you have to pay £100 for Forza 8 in 2020 because < now extortionate > car manufacturer & other license fees start getting passed on to you - the customer - that isn't daylight robbery? By this time of course, you'll also be paying £100 a year or more for XBox Live or you won't be playing a racing game like Forza / GT.
Pie 'n' Peas
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To be fair, at current retail prices, the PS3 commands a premium over Xbox 360 that is equivalent to almost two years of free Xbox Live Gold. On top of that, the online and social aspect of Live is far, far greater and more mature than that of PSN, which feels weak and half-assed in comparison. Still, what do you expect for free? I feel that £30 - 35 a year for a properly maintained, centralised infrastructure with complete integration across all games is more than justified.
For that reason, I use my Xbox 360 for everyday gaming and for most multiplat games because that's what most of my mates have got. I now have a PS3 for GT5 and any other special exclusives, but that's all it will be for.
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It's all about money, yes, but it is a hardware problem.
You won't get an HID wheel (Logitech G25, for example) to work on an XID device (XBox360). Even if you could, Microsoft requires a security chip to be present in every attached peripheral - and the peripheral maker needs to buy those chips from Microsoft. See this thread which includes comments from Fanatec, the wheel manufacturer, about it.
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- SolidSnakeSSx
The Porsche isn't due to licensing fees. It's due to the fact that MS and EA made a deal. EA doesn't have the Ferrari license while MS owns exclusivity of that cars license on the 360. You don't really think it's just an amazing coincidence that Ferrari's were exclusive to the 360 version of Need for Speed Shift (and EA game) do you?
Just to add to that, NFS Hot Pursuit's car list was leaked. Take a wild guess at what super car manufacturer isn't on that list.
Just to add to that, NFS Hot Pursuit's car list was leaked. Take a wild guess at what super car manufacturer isn't on that list.
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- jdmking13
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Wow man you are taking this to serious. Be scared are you serious? Its a Damn game, I have both Forza3 and will be getting GT5, GT5 has showed me more than enough making me feel like the Forza series has some catching up to do. In all though if turn 10 makes a amazing Forza4 that will be good for us gamers. Scared of Microsoft though C'mon man.
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Err, excuse me, before you start accusing me of arguing with you, let me highlight something for you...
Oh look, agreement plus extra information for you.
It's a hardware problem. The hardware is not compatible because of the different ways the hardware involved process and transmit information (read the thread). It's exacerbated by the fact that Microsoft only sell the chips to manufacturers to whom they grant a licence, which also makes it all about the money.
Read the bits you didn't "highlight".
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Still some catching up to do - yes, but Turn 10 are catching up quickly and they have the financial backing from Microsoft to dislodge anyone in their way.Wow man you are taking this to serious. Be scared are you serious? Its a Damn game, I have both Forza3 and will be getting GT5, GT5 has showed me more than enough making me feel like the Forza series has some catching up to do. In all though if turn 10 makes a amazing Forza4 that will be good for us gamers. Scared of Microsoft though C'mon man.
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- SolidSnakeSSx
Yeah and Polyphony has Sony's financial backing to the point that 60m+ dollars have been pumped into GT5. That's an amount of game that many major gaming franchises never see.
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- bcbholdem
Basically, what some of you don't understand is that we don't want MS sticking their dirty,nasty little fingers in our fresh baked pie. I don't care what they or forza do as long as it does'nt effect what I enjoy. Competition is great and it is essential to the free market system, but my problem lies with the concept of you have to buy and sneak things away from your competition to make yours look better. You aren't original enough to compete so you have to steal ideas and talk trash about your competitor. I don't want GT to be held back from its potential just because somebody else feels they need to keep stuff away just in order to compete. Sorry im not very eloquent, but I hope you can understand my point of view.
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Well I'm glad to see you are in agreement at least.
Unfortunately you don't know what you're talking about either.
It is NOT a hardware problem. It's a USB device. Obviously you've never programmed USB devices before. Microsoft could easily add an update to the X360 firmware to permit the G25/7 set of devices WITHOUT the hardware chip - but of course they won't do that. You don't need a hardware chip in a PC to use the XBox wheel - even if a few of the extra bits like rumble don't work.
Another example... G27's don't work properly with GT5P either... That's a software problem. Could fix. Won't fix without money. Hardware chips, software, doesn't matter... Logitech could come out with a wheel tomorrow with the relevant chip in. The point is they haven't because of money. If Microsoft + Turn 10 lock out car manufacturers and - dare I say it - get ahead of GT, then manufacturers like Logitech won't have a choice but to support Microsoft and when that happens they have to pay the extra - which means you have to pay the extra.
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- GTP_FoolKiller
- FoolKiller1979
Why should GT fans be afraid of Forza unless their well being relies on the game they enjoy more saying GT on the box? At worst they decide they like a different game more.
I'm a GT fan and I am not afraid of Forza. In fact, as long as Forza has more of the ALMS stuff in it I will likely be buying the game. It would take a broken game or ridiculous price point to make me not.
Wait. Is this assuming that £100 is the normal price for all games or an inflated price just for Forza? If it is just an inflated price then less people will buy it, they will make less profit, and their next rendition won't have the budget to pay those license fees, thus those manufacturers will have to lower their fees or lose the benefit having their cars in games like these will give them. If it is the normal price in 2020 (and at the rate things have been going I could easily see that) then the rest of your paragraph is moot. Either you can afford to play games or not. If game makers price themselves out of the market they will no longer exist and none of this will matter.
Read his post again. He agreed with your comments on money, even started his post by saying such. All he was doing was merely correcting your technical error.
Re-read Amar's post - he wasn't talking about the current F1 and WRC licenses, he was talking about Sony's exclusive rights to those licenses during the PS2 era.
As for PD not being able to compete with MS to acquire rights to vehicles for their respective franchises, I think you ought to have a think about the amounts of money involved here. PD have reputedly spent $80m developing GT5, a figure roughly on a par with the total retail sales of FM3 - it should be self-evident that purchasing power is always likely to be on PD's side here.
For the specific case of Porsche, as you've ignored several other people pointing out, it's EA you should be hating on rather than MS - it's Porsche's naive mistake to grant an exclusive license to EA at a time when they didn't understand the commercial significance of the video games market that keeps Porsches out of games, not MS' commercial power.
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Oddly, Fanatec, the wheel manufacturer, agreed with me. Go read the thread I linked you to and tell them they don't know what they're talking about.
An HID wheel like the ones Logitech and Fanatec make will work on PS3 and PC. An XID wheel like the one Fanatec makes and the official XBox wheel will work on XBox, PS3 and PC. But a Logitech/Fanatec HID wheel will not work on XBox for hardware reasons - HID outputs cannot be intepreted by XID receivers, and the XBox360 is an XID receiver. Most older PCs were too, but the present standard is HID. So long as MS won't licence their chip to Logitech, Logitech have no reason to make an XID wheel, when all their wheels work on all PCs and PS3s. All Fanatec's wheels do too.
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- Jamaicangmah
I don't think eveyone is excited isn't because the Top Gear test track is fantastic to race on. However everyone wants to match their skills with that of the Top Gear power lap board.
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