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[Flaco13]

^ ... and if you add Opels at least add existing ones

There has never been a '94 Astra Touring Car

 

[cally-dave]

^ ... and if you add Opels at least add existing ones

There has never been a '94 Astra Touring Car

No, but there was John Clelands AWESOME Cavalier BTCC Touring Car!

 

[FoolKiller]

Is there a reason why you've cut mid size and compact models from some makers, like Audi and VW? I mean, no Golfs of any iteration? In some cases it seems like you picked just high end cars without any discernible reason for leaving out the cheaper models. Yet, for other makes you have things like Civics.

I figure it is personal taste, but it leaves out a large amount of variety.

 

[dylansan]

Left out way too many Kei cars for PD to even consider, and what's with removing the C4 Grand Sport rather than the ZR-1? You've removed quite a bit of history as well, removing the Toyota Sports 800 and Honda S800 is a big no-no. Along with the whole generations of NSXs, Mazda roadsters (NB), Celicas, etc, the old Mini (how could you?) that you shamelessly cut. There's quite a few other cars I feel are interesting enough to remain, including the '62 Skyline, the Izusus, amongst others.

In fact I just don't see them taking out as many cars as you did. There's quite a few that, if taken out, would probably never come back simply because they're not seen as classics. The Ford Ka and Pontiac Solstice concept, for example, were only in GT4 because they were relevant at the time. Now that they no longer have much fanbase, the odds of them returning when they have the time are slim. Perhaps we don't need the Solstice concept, because we could have an actual Solstice, but I'm not a fan of cutting history to make way for modern.

I think PD should wait until they can release GT6 with most of the cars of GT5 in premium spec. Some of the most bland cars can be cut, perhaps, but I really doubt they would dare release a game with only 544 cars anyway. That would be quite a big step back.

 

[ch3ng]

@ earth

Great list 👍
But i would cut and add some other cars.

I think PD should wait until they can release GT6 with most of the cars of GT5 in premium spec.

I don't think they should wait. Over 1000 cars in premium are not possible for PD. Ok it would be possible if GT6 will be released in over 10 years.

I don't want to wait so long. I think 300-480 premium cars are realistic with a GT6 release in 1-4 years.

 

[Earth]

Is there a reason why you've cut mid size and compact models from some makers, like Audi and VW? I mean, no Golfs of any iteration? In some cases it seems like you picked just high end cars without any discernible reason for leaving out the cheaper models. Yet, for other makes you have things like Civics.

I figure it is personal taste, but it leaves out a large amount of variety.

I cut alot of the compact cars because they're boring things that look like they've been squashed in a vise. The problem with GT5's car list is that you got things like the Samba Bus being premium while the Bugatti Veyron, Jaguar XJ220, and Saleen S7 are standard, just to name a couple of examples.

Also there werent that many new cars in GT5 that got me excited. Cars like the Bugatti EB110 SS '92 were missing. The Countach was standard. GT6's car list needs to include cars that get people excited, like the Ariel Atom or Ford Indigo.

PD needs to inject excitement back into the Gran Turismo series again by focusing on giving us exciting cars with the next game. I think they have no choice but to do that. Slow cars should always be in Gran Turismo. But the novelty of racing a 100 HP car wears off very quickly. Because of that and the frustration of not having all the super, hyper and high end cars Forza has had now for years PD would be best off focusing elsewhere.

My list may be heavy on performance cars but there is a healthy serving of slower ones as well. There are slower, cheaper cars, like the Camry, Fusion, Cruze, etc.

Theres alot of civcs in there because its a popular car.

Golf, Kia, and Hyundai are manufacturers that I should have not forgotten.

Left out way too many Kei cars for PD to even consider,

Maybe they should reconsider adding so many premium kei cars that drivers will have little interest in after spending alot of time with the game and so few performance cars.

and what's with removing the C4 Grand Sport rather than the ZR-1?

I just dont like that ugly stripe. I'd much rather have a more traditional Corvette model

You've removed quite a bit of history as well, removing the Toyota Sports 800 and Honda S800 is a big no-no.

Added them

Along with the whole generations of NSXs, Mazda roadsters (NB), Celicas, etc, the old Mini (how could you?) that you shamelessly cut. There's quite a few other cars I feel are interesting enough to remain, including the '62 Skyline, the Izusus, amongst others.

Cant get the taste of 12 NSX models out of my mouth from GT5. Theres a few Mazda Roadsters in there, they can add the rest of them later. Isuzu or Daihatsu. Who is more boring.

In fact I just don't see them taking out as many cars as you did. There's quite a few that, if taken out, would probably never come back simply because they're not seen as classics. The Ford Ka and Pontiac Solstice concept, for example, were only in GT4 because they were relevant at the time. Now that they no longer have much fanbase, the odds of them returning when they have the time are slim. Perhaps we don't need the Solstice concept, because we could have an actual Solstice, but I'm not a fan of cutting history to make way for modern.

I think PD should wait until they can release GT6 with most of the cars of GT5 in premium spec. Some of the most bland cars can be cut, perhaps, but I really doubt they would dare release a game with only 544 cars anyway. That would be quite a big step back.

550 cars is plenty if they proportionate it right. And they need to be adding more relevant cars, not cars that were relevant 5 or 10 years ago. I'm surprised nobody noticed how many 2012 models are on my list. Thats the first step PD needs to take to making it's car list relevant again, adding current models and then working backwards. Let go of all the early 2000s GT4 stuff unless its the latest generation of a Skyline or Corvette.

And as Ch3ng mentioned its unlikely we will get anything near 1000 cars with GT6 unless you want to wait another 6 years. PD needs to build the backbone of GT5's car list by adding a whole host of 2012 cars while adding only the best classic road cars, classic supercars, and classic racecars. Then start working on the kei cars and variations of lesser cars.

@ earth

Great list 👍
But i would cut and add some other cars.

Thansk. Totally understand about cutting and adding cars. My list is not perfect by any means, but it's where I expect, or rather hope PD will go with GT6. t

 

[CorvetteConquer]

It's not news, but I'll comment:

Good list. 8.8/10

Kia and Hyundai have 2 or 3 cars that should be in GT6: Kia Forte Koupe SX, Hyundai Genesis +Veloster

Missing Camaro ZL1 + Mustang Boss 302 +Charger SRT8 (surprised me to see those missing).

Supra RZ. Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo '98.

 

[RedBaron]

I miss many ///M models from BMW and 60's Ferraris, but not even 10.000 cars could make GT better. It's the game system, AI and motivation to play GT mode that is missing since GT4. Both games ended somewhere in second half of completion and the game became only tool for hotlapping at Nordschleife.

 

[analog]

How Gran Turismo 6's car list should look, according to me.

I hardly see any cars which would offer something really new to experience, mainly variations of the kind of cars we already have (instead I'd rather see all current classic Standard cars being made Premium as that would offer more variety).
Where's the imagination or true eclectic choices bar a few exceptions?

If there was actually a point or purpose to making up these wishlists, other than showing your own personal preferences, I'd happily provide a huge list of my own suggestions which I assure would include lots of things that'll increase the scope of GT beyond what's done so far.
But there isn't, as it'll only show what I would like, so I won't.

Or...let's all post gigantic wishlists in the latest news thread.

 

[Hayden]

Only main issues I have with your epic wishlist are...

Holden
Holden Berlina '12
Holden Caprice '12
Holden Commodore '12
Holden Epica '12

I'm assuming you included both the Commodore and Berlina with the intention of them running different engines. What I would rather would be the inclusion of the Commodore in SS trim and a HSV Maloo/GTS. While we're talking Holden, I wouldn't bother with the Epica either. It's getting phased out due to it's lack of commercial success, and it would free up some time that PD could spend working on those HSVs, or re-badging the Volt. One more thing, the current generation Holden V8 Supercars are VE, not VT

Oh, and if PD forget to add Ford Australia's direct competitors for each Holden they add, I for one won't be too impressed.

Finally...

Volkswagen
Volkswagen Beetle 2.5L '12
Volkswagen Jetta S '12
Volkswagen Kubelwagen typ82 ’44
Volkswagen Schwimmwagen typ166 ’42
Volkswagen typ2(T1) SambaBus ’62
Volkswagen W12 Nardo Concept Car ’01

No Golf's at all? No Scirocco? This is a pretty interesting oversight mate.

 

[Earth]

I hardly see any cars which would offer something really new to experience,

Ariel Atom
Ford Indigo
T-rex champagna

That's 3 more fun cars then GT5 had.

mainly variations of the kind of cars we already have (instead I'd rather see all current classic Standard cars being made Premium as that would offer more variety).
Where's the imagination or true eclectic choices bar a few exceptions

I'm sure there are plenty of radical cars out there, however I believe GT6 should focus primarily on building it's backbone first. Get all the relevant cars in first. Then move on to the eccentric or rare cars.

What do you mean by current classic standard cars?

If there was actually a point or purpose to making up these wishlists, other than showing your own personal preferences, I'd happily provide a huge list of my own suggestions which I assure would include lots of things that'll increase the scope of GT beyond what's done so far.
But there isn't, as it'll only show what I would like, so I won't.

Or...let's all post gigantic wishlists in the latest news thread.

Purpose is to arouse discussion. Twice now I've been accused of posting a wish list in a latest news thread. This is a general discussion thread as well, not just latest news. I'm creating discussion by pointing in the direction I think PD should go in regards to their car list for GT6. I'm simply saying what IGN said, for them to rebuild their car list, but I've done so in much more detail.

My list of cars is not perfect, by any means, but I'm sure it's much better then what we will get in GT6. There may be a few personal preference cars in my list like the GT90 or Dallara Indycars, but the rest is a concentrated effort to include as much variety as possible while being relevant. Do I like 10 variations of the Lancer or Skyline? No, not at all, but they're in my list because they're popular cars.

How is suggesting cars that would increase GT's scope only showing what you like personally? If they are popular cars everyone would be interested in then they supercede a simple personal wish list thats likely to include 30 variations of the Mustang or some obscure racing cars like Dirt track late models

Maybe that's the problem with GT's car list, it's too much of a wishlist from Kaz. That's why 65% of the cars are Japanese and we're likely to get all the generations of Skylines, and NSX before anything else.

I'm assuming you included both the Commodore and Berlina with the intention of them running different engines. What I would rather would be the inclusion of the Commodore in SS trim and a HSV Maloo/GTS. While we're talking Holden, I wouldn't bother with the Epica either. It's getting phased out due to it's lack of commercial success, and it would free up some time that PD could spend working on those HSVs, or re-badging the Volt. One more thing, the current generation Holden V8 Supercars are VE, not VT

Oh, and if PD forget to add Ford Australia's direct competitors for each Holden they add, I for one won't be too impressed.

As you may have noticed I'm not an expert on Australian cars. If PD spent more then the 5 minutes I did researching Holden they could figure out everything you just said and include it in GT6. My post is just about the direction I believe PD should move toward, maybe its too detailed, maybe not.

 

[analog]

Ariel Atom
Ford Indigo
T-rex champagna

That's 3 more fun cars then GT5 had.

It does lack 'trackday cars' but of those I'd choose only the Atom though, I'd prefer the new Morgan 3-wheeler (now that would be different) or the Gordon Murray designed Light Car Company Rocket, or even an oddball oldie like the Messerschmitt Tiger just to mention a few.
See? It's a personal thing.

I'm sure there are plenty of radical cars out there, however I believe GT6 should focus primarily on building it's backbone first. Get all the relevant cars in first. Then move on to the eccentric or rare cars.

What do you mean by current classic standard cars?

It's not just radical stuff, but things not represented at all in the Premium list (SUV's or pickup trucks just to name some) which are present in the Standard list, what's relevant or not is another subjective and personal thing.
If by radical you mean including periods of automotive history not found in GT5 (or any console games) like cars build before WW2 I disagree as I think they would add something really worthwhile, and I certainly wouldn't call that radical since it's often claimed GT is a virtual car encyclopedia (which it really isn't by the way).

And by classic Standard cars I mean classic Standard cars, most of these becoming Premium (and I only put in roadcars so far and it's also rather arbitrary) would excite me much more than your list, again a personal thing.

Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 ’65
Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Speciale ’63
Alfa Romeo Spider 1600 Duetto ’66
Alpine A110 1600S ’73
Alpine A310 1600VE ’73
Audi quattro ’82
Autobianchi A112 Abarth ’79
BMW 2002 Turbo ’73
Buick GNX ’87
Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 ’70
Chevrolet Corvette Convertible (C1) ’54
Chevrolet Corvette Coupe (C2) ’63
Citroën 2CV Type A ’54
Dome DOME-ZERO Concept ’78
Ford RS200 ’84
Ginetta G4 ’64
Honda 1300 Coupe 9 S ’70
Honda N360 ’67
Honda S500 ’63
Honda S600 ’64
Honda S800 ’66
Honda Z ACT ’70
Isuzu 117COUPÉ ’68
Isuzu Bellett 1600 GT-R ’69
Isuzu PIAZZA XE ’81
Jaguar E-TYPE Coupe ’61
Jensen Interceptor MkIII ’74
Lamborghini Countach 25th Anniversary ’88
Lamborghini Countach LP400 ’74
Lancia STRATOS ’73
Lotus Carlton ’90
Lotus Elan S1 ’62
Lotus Esprit Turbo HC ’87
Lotus Europa Special ’71
Marcos Mini Marcos GT ’70
Mazda 110S (L10A) ’67
Mazda 110S (L10B) ’68
Mazda Carol 360 Deluxe ’62
Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 – 16 Evolution II ’91
Mercury Cougar XR-7 ’67
MINI Cooper 1.3i ’98
Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 GSR ’74
Mitsubishi MIRAGE 1400GLX ’78
Nissan 240ZG (HS30) ’71
Nissan BLUEBIRD 1600 Deluxe (510) ’69
Nissan BLUEBIRD Hardtop 1800SSS (910) ’79
Nissan Fairlady 2000 (SR311) ’68
Nissan Fairlady Z 280Z-L 2seater (S130) ’78
Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX (Z31) ’83
Nissan SILVIA (CSP311) ’65
Nissan SILVIA 240RS (S110) ’83
Nissan SKYLINE 1500Deluxe (S50D-1) ’63
Nissan SKYLINE 2000GT-B (S54A) ’67
Nissan SKYLINE 2000GT-R (KPGC110) ’73
Plymouth Cuda 440 Six Pack ’71
Plymouth Superbird ’70
Pontiac Tempest Le Mans GTO ’64
Renault 5 Turbo ’80
RUF BTR ’86
RUF CTR “Yellow Bird” ’87
Shelby GT350R ’65
Subaru SUBARU 360 ’58
Toyota 2000GT ’67
Toyota CELICA 1600GT (TA22) ’70
Toyota SPORTS 800 ’65
Triumph Spitfire 1500 ’74
Volkswagen Golf I GTI ’76
Volkswagen Karmann Ghia Coupe (Type-1) ’68
Volvo 240 GLT Estate ’88

Purpose is to arouse discussion. Twice now I've been accused of posting a wish list in a latest news thread. This is a general discussion thread as well, not just latest news. I'm creating discussion by pointing in the direction I think PD should go in regards to their car list for GT6. I'm simply saying what IGN said, for them to rebuild their car list, but I've done so in much more detail.

Agree that it arouses discussion (at least I'm responding to it ) but maybe it would be better to think about what the GT-series or GT5 in particular is lacking in the sort of vehicles/categories without going immediately into specifics by posting a list of cars you'd like to see.

How is suggesting cars that would increase GT's scope only showing what you like personally? If they are popular cars everyone would be interested in then they supercede a simple personal wish list thats likely to include 30 variations of the Mustang or some obscure racing cars like Dirt track late models.

Unless everyone agrees with everything on that list (which is impossible) it only shows what you like to see or what your personal frame of reference and knowledge of cars/car history amounts to, nothing more frankly.
That it includes some cars which are popular by a huge majority doesn't automatically make it a good list or a better one than one compiled by a minority.

 

[another_jakhole]

How Gran Turismo 6's car list should look, according to me.

I compiled this list by first adding all the premium cars from GT5. Then added the "must keep" standard cars from that thread. Added alot of 2012 models from the biggest manufacturers like the '12 Camry and '12 Fusion. Added alot of supercars. Added alot of fun cars like the Ariel Atom and Ford Indigo.

The car list comes out to 544 cars which I think is reasonable to expect, considering alot of the cars are racing models that only require a different paint scheme. For example there are 12 Indycars and 15 NASCAR stock cars. About 15 DTM cars and 15 V8 super cars etc

With this car list the following racing series are possible

1. DTM
2. Formula 1
3. Formula 100, 200, & GT (Fictional)
4. FIA GT1
5. Grand-Am
6. Group C
7. Indycar
8. Karts
9. NASCAR
10. Super GT
11. V8 Supercars
12. WEC

...
...
.
.

 

[Mac K]

Not really a fan of that list, sorry Earth..

 

[Earth]

And by classic Standard cars I mean classic Standard cars, most of these becoming Premium (and I only put in roadcars so far and it's also rather arbitrary) would excite me much more than your list, again a personal thing.

Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 ’65
Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Speciale ’63
Alfa Romeo Spider 1600 Duetto ’66

(etc)

You mentioned 69 standard classic cars, my list has 39 of which you mentioned, and more if you include those you did not.

Agree that it arouses discussion (at least I'm responding to it ) but maybe it would be better to think about what the GT-series or GT5 in particular is lacking in the sort of vehicles/categories without going immediately into specifics by posting a list of cars you'd like to see.

I went ahead and removed the list as it caused too much of a stir.

Unless everyone agrees with everything on that list (which is impossible) it only shows what you like to see or what your personal frame of reference and knowledge of cars/car history amounts to, nothing more frankly.
That it includes some cars which are popular by a huge majority doesn't automatically make it a good list or a better one than one compiled by a minority.

I attempted to get a general agreement and look past personal taste. Here is one example

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=257974

I scoured the DLC wishlist thread and picked out the most requested cars like '77 Pontiac Firebird and 2013 Shelby GT500 Mustang

There are very few cars on the the list that weren't 1. premiums in GT5. 2. Requested in the must keep standard topic, 3. in Forza 4. dont have historical significance. Even when selecting which Ferraris to add I looked over top 10 Ferrari lists from car magazines instead of just adding favorites.

But that all doesn't matter now, the list has been removed.

,,,

At least you picked the right user name

Not really a fan of that list, sorry Earth..

Well, everyone has opinions. I wish we had more news on GT6.

 

[RACECAR]

I'm sorry Earth, but I severly disagree with the list. This feels more like a Forza Carlist then a GT Carlist and I get the feeling thats exactly you want GT to be.

 

[analog]

I went ahead and removed the list as it caused too much of a stir.

A stir? I didn't notice that, it prompted a limited reaction if that's what you mean, removing it wasn't necessary.

I attempted to get a general agreement and look past personal taste. Here is one example

How can you look past personal taste regarding a subject like this when it's only based on personal taste and opinions?
A general agreement is either, let the majority decide, or reach some sort of consensus which I think can't be reached (at least not by all here on this forum) so any list 'we all can agree upon' is always gonna be agreed upon by a selective few who agree with it, so it isn't a universal consensus.

It's a list, we all have our own lists no doubt sharing some or a lot of similarities but even just picking these specific shared examples would already create a humongous list, so any attempt to find some common ground is futile to begin with.
Thankfully we have people to do it for us and dictate what we get (PD) so to make GT become a true virtual car encyclopedia we could start by sending Kaz an actual car encyclopedia and hope for the best.

 

[Griffith500]

I think PD should just stop messing around and include every car ever made, prototyped or simply conceived of, ever (ever!). Then there would be no worry about subjective car lists!

I jest of course, and this discussion has raised a great point, and should demonstrate to everyone why "listening to the community" is incredibly difficult to do.

 

[amar212]

I'm sorry Earth, but I severly disagree with the list. This feels more like a Forza Carlist then a GT Carlist and I get the feeling thats exactly you want GT to be.

My feelings exactly.

This trend becomes annoying.

 

[analog]

I jest of course, and this discussion has raised a great point, and should demonstrate to everyone why "listening to the community" is incredibly difficult to do.

Regardless of the fact it's difficult to organize some sort of representative 'democracy' consisting of submitting your own candidates, depending solely on a majority of your customers for new additions (businesswise it would likely make sense) would mean it risks catering only to the lowest common denominator.

For example, I doubt many had heard of the Jaguar XJ13 before it was included in GT5, yet I haven't heard anyone disliking it so far.
If they'd asked 'us' to provide a list by some consensus it probably wouldn't have been mentioned an awful lot, if at all.

Or to quote Henry Ford: "If I asked my customers what they want, they simply would have said a faster horse."

 

[Spagetti69]

There's a Disturbing lack of maintenance going on.

What gives?

 

[Earth]

I'm sorry Earth, but I severly disagree with the list. This feels more like a Forza Carlist then a GT Carlist and I get the feeling thats exactly you want GT to be.

Gran Turismo 6 will be a pivotal game in the franchise. PD will either restore faith in the franchise or speed up their descent down a slippery slope. One of the key factors to GT6's success is it's car list.

Will PD continue to have it's lineup consist 65%+ of Japanese cars? This could be overlooked in the past when GT had no competition. With Forza appearing on the scene and offering a much more balanced lineup 65% of the cars being Japanese is not acceptable anymore. 5 Mustangs but 25 Miatas will not be acceptable anymore. 5 Aston Martins but 25 Lancer Evolutions will not be acceptable anymore.

PD does not need to copy Forza's car list. But it can sure learn from it's balance and healthy dose of racing cars.

GT needs slow cars yes, but the fact that nobody will be racing 90 HP Daihtsu things after they progress further then 5% in the game says they need to limit how much time they use modeling them. Forza has too few slow cars, GT has too many. PD needs to find a balance. I think they're better off erring on the side of too few in order to pump some excitement back into the GT franchise.

How can you look past personal taste regarding a subject like this when it's only based on personal taste and opinions?

A general agreement is either, let the majority decide, or reach some sort of consensus which I think can't be reached (at least not by all here on this forum) so any list 'we all can agree upon' is always gonna be agreed upon by a selective few who agree with it, so it isn't a universal consensus.

There will never be a universal consensus. Majority rule. For example, the following link is to a list of cars people want converted to premium listed in order by number of votes.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=232143

Its obvious by the top heavy voting which cars people want to see premium.

When you get down into the 1-3 vote range its a mess, but at the top it's clear which cars need to be premium.

I think such clarity can be brought to an entire car list if enough thinking and research is involved. Several reputable car magazines have "top 10" lists of various cars or makes that can be reviewed to help in making decisions.

Thankfully we have people to do it for us and dictate what we get (PD) so to make GT become a true virtual car encyclopedia we could start by sending Kaz an actual car encyclopedia and hope for the best.

And those people have proven themselves to be very untrustworthy. Premium Samba Bus? Some premium thing from Volkswagen that looks it just returned from WWII? But standard Veyrons, Supras, RUF, Countach, and the list goes on and on?

PD really needs to visit this site and take note.

I jest of course, and this discussion has raised a great point, and should demonstrate to everyone why "listening to the community" is incredibly difficult to do.

So who's complaining about Forza's car list? I really hope there isn't a guy somewhere just steaming over the fact Forza is light on 90 HP smart cars. Listening to the community is difficult to do when you got Nissan tattooed on your arm, forcing you to add things like the Leaf and 500 Skyline variations.

Want to listen to the community? Start an official Gran Turismo board. Or get an account here.

 

[Griffith500]

...
Or to quote Henry Ford: "If I asked my customers what they want, they simply would have said a faster horse."

Maybe what they were lacking was a bit of imagination!

You've successfully (and succinctly) outlined the "problem", but I fear there's never going to be a real solution, at least in terms of "why isn't X in the game?" disappointments - so it sort of falls to us to be accommodating to some degree.

One thing is for sure, Kaz and co. (like the rest of us) are still learning about the history and the potential future of cars, so we're sure to get some more "curveballs" in GT6. And for anyone who is a petrolhead, it's great to "discover" a cool car you'd never heard of, or conceived of, or really liked before!

EDIT: Methinks you're still missing the point, Earth (at least, I hope you are.)

 

[GTPorsche]

Not a fan of that wishlist either, sorry.

 

[diegorborges]

There's a Disturbing lack of maintenance going on.

What gives?

We need maintenance notice to restore the faith, the law and order on this forum.

All hail maintenance!

 

[analog]

And those people have proven themselves to be very untrustworthy. Premium Samba Bus? Some premium thing from Volkswagen that looks it just returned from WWII?

Think you're talking to the wrong person when you mention those examples (which again illustrates the whole point I was trying to make), I happen to be one of those who really likes both the Samba bus and the Kubel/Schwimmwagen.
Even when they probably weren't the cars I'd have selected, they provide lots of fun and was pleasantly surprised when they were announced.

I'll admit being very disappointed with a Standard Veyron but I wouldn't trade my old VeeDubs for it right now.
See? That's the whole issue in a nutshell, if 'most people' had their way weird people like me with odd taste and peculiar preferences would only be able to drive stuff which already is present in another form (supercars/racecars) but it's the misunderstood oddities like this which often makes that GT5 keeps my interest.

I actually like the fact they're hated so much, makes it more of an insider thing, the (troubled) connaiseurs choice if you will, the 'esoteric' pleasures strangely enough offered by a mass market videogame.

 

[diegorborges]

Some people will never understand that for each guy that would prefer a premium veyron instead of a samba bus, there'll be someone that prefer the samba bus... instead of a veyron.

If Gran Turismo had a NFS a like carlist, only with supersonic rockets & sports cars it would lose its spirit.

Thank God, different tastes. Makes the world a funnier place to live in.

 

[sinbad]

It's just like how some people feel that adding 1 more car to a long existing car list will be exciting or game changing.
GT5 has a very broad spectrum of car types. Basically every configuration of drive type/engine type/age is covered.
For me to become interested in the inclusion of a new car, it has to offer something that is not offered already, which isn't easy. For instance, an old air-cooled naturally aspirated historic 911 would add something new, but the new BMW M5 really wouldn't.

Basically any new track, on the other hand, is a big addition. I really hope that gt6 is developed with a greater attention paid to the track list than we saw with 5.

 

[ch3ng]

Some people will never understand that for each guy that would prefer a premium veyron instead of a samba bus, there'll be someone that prefer the samba bus... instead of a veyron.

If Gran Turismo had a NFS a like carlist, only with supersonic rockets & sports cars it would lose its spirit.

Thank God, different tastes. Makes the world a funnier place to live in.

I think what earth wants to say is this.
PD should balance the list better and add more cars from america and europe.

They should add more real current cars instead of concept cars or cars like the samba bus.

New cars don't mean only supercars. The manufacture create enough normal cars. The problem with a samba bus for example is that it doesn't have a car as a competition in GT.

I think he wants to say that they should create cars first that are more relevant now and have more competition in GT to race with.

The two F1 ferraris or X1 Red Bull don't have competition for example.
3+ cars. We could have got the 2 DTM cars with different liveries from 2010 instead.

Last but not least nothing is wrong with a samba bus, but add those cars as a bonus after you created the game and the other cars. I don't mean DLC with Bonus.

earth created a realistic car list with and PD needs to cut cars. I think we'll see 330-500 p cars in GT6.

Basically any new track, on the other hand, is a big addition. I really hope that gt6 is developed with a greater attention paid to the track list than we saw with 5.

I agree. The track list should be more important in the future.

 

[FoolKiller]

So who's complaining about Forza's car list? I really hope there isn't a guy somewhere just steaming over the fact Forza is light on 90 HP smart cars. Listening to the community is difficult to do when you got Nissan tattooed on your arm, forcing you to add things like the Leaf and 500 Skyline variations.

Forza has some things (tracks and cars) that I wish were in GT, but GT has some important things I'd rather have too.

But then I tuned an Odyssey to get comparable times to my M3 Chrome Line just for spits and giggles. I might not fall under "normal."