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[DaveS1138]

Why on Earth would Sony want to launch the new PS4 in the next two years? They are still loosing money on every PS3 sold, do you really think they want to launch another new console and loose even more money on that too? The PS3 is only 3 1/2 years into a reportedly 10 year lifecycle.

But even assuming that Sony did release the PS4 in two years why would PD want to release GT6 on that instead of the PS3. The PS3 would have an install base of 50+ million units by then. The PS4 would be just launching with at best a couple of million units sold. If you are PD do you want to sell a product to a potential customer base of 50+ million or a potential customer base of 2-3 million?

 

[Griffith500]

If I can take this discussion back ever so slightly, I find it real hard to believe that GTP is pushing PS3 to it's limit. I'm not the most technically savvy when it comes to tvs, so I'm guessing from most people on here confirming frame tear on Gtp, that there is no way to prevent it? Is it really inconceavable to think GT5 will have found a way? Maybe the GT5 code has access to PS3 architecture like never before, freeing up RAM or making compromises elsewhere. Again, not so technically minded so bear that in mind before shooting me down

On a side note, is there any way to check my tv and ps3 are perfectly optimized?

The screen tearing is usually a result of a mismatch between source and receiver refresh rates (i.e. PS3's GPU output, and your TV / monitor / capture card)... stuttering / judder (where the video almost imperceptibly appears to "hang" or skip forwards for a brief moment) may be due to the same, or due to a generally inconsistent framerate in the source - "slowdown" is almost certainly the fault of the source (the PS3)



So, the tearing is usually your TV's / monitor's fault (I get absolutely no tearing on my monitor when the refresh is set to 60 Hz).
The slowdown (e.g. Fuji first corner, Suzuka first corner with a full grid, among other places) are issues that PD need to address directly, via optimisations as you mentioned.

I imagine that a lot of screen tearing is due to the use of 50 Hz displays - if PD allow frame-rate limiting to 50 fps instead of 60 fps, maybe that will fix things. Some of the stutter may also disappear, but not all of it, and slowdown may not be so obvious either. But of course, then you'd end up with screen-tearing on a 60 Hz display...

As for your TV, it's best to have it set (if possible) to 60 Hz. CRTs are probably fine, either way.

 

[speedfreak69]

Why on Earth would Sony want to launch the new PS4 in the next two years? They are still loosing money on every PS3 sold, do you really think they want to launch another new console and loose even more money on that too? The PS3 is only 3 1/2 years into a reportedly 10 year lifecycle.

But even assuming that Sony did release the PS4 in two years why would PD want to release GT6 on that instead of the PS3. The PS3 would have an install base of 50+ million units by then. The PS4 would be just launching with at best a couple of million units sold. If you are PD do you want to sell a product to a potential customer base of 50+ million or a potential customer base of 2-3 million?

Precisely.👍
With the addition of Move, 3D and who knows what else down the line, also getting some profit from PS3 finally(soon), don't expect PS4 any time soon.
GT6 certainly goes on PS3 in 2-3 years(just adding features,cars,tracks etc.) after GT5. Remember how KY got upset when asked about DLC for GT5? My guess is, it is intended as a complete game, and then anything else they build afterward, will go directly to GT6, which will be cash generator for future development. It's the PD's wayS1-GT1+GT2, PS2-GT3+GT4, PS3-GT5+GT6, PS4-GT7...and so on.
PS4 could probably do ray tracing and other advanced features, for which PD will need to create a new 3D engine. At least they are set regarding the cars(and tracks to a lesser degree), because they already have a large library of very detailed cars, just better lighting would be needed for greater realism.
Doesn't make sense to go into too much detail about GT7 on PS4 right now though!

 

[eSZee]

Why on Earth would Sony want to launch the new PS4 in the next two years? They are still loosing money on every PS3 sold, do you really think they want to launch another new console and loose even more money on that too? The PS3 is only 3 1/2 years into a reportedly 10 year lifecycle.

But even assuming that Sony did release the PS4 in two years why would PD want to release GT6 on that instead of the PS3. The PS3 would have an install base of 50+ million units by then. The PS4 would be just launching with at best a couple of million units sold. If you are PD do you want to sell a product to a potential customer base of 50+ million or a potential customer base of 2-3 million?

The ps4 will be out in 2012/2013. 10 year life cycle doesn't mean there will be no new console for 10 years.

 

[Seismica]

My, we really have run out of things to talk about...

 

[GTjazzabrandy]

My, we really have run out of things to talk about...

Yeah its like a desert in here at the moment.

 

[GPR]

Precisely.👍
With the addition of Move, 3D and who knows what else down the line, also getting some profit from PS3 finally(soon), don't expect PS4 any time soon.
GT6 certainly goes on PS3 in 2-3 years(just adding features,cars,tracks etc.) after GT5. Remember how KY got upset when asked about DLC for GT5? My guess is, it is intended as a complete game, and then anything else they build afterward, will go directly to GT6, which will be cash generator for future development. It's the PD's wayS1-GT1+GT2, PS2-GT3+GT4, PS3-GT5+GT6, PS4-GT7...and so on.
PS4 could probably do ray tracing and other advanced features, for which PD will need to create a new 3D engine. At least they are set regarding the cars(and tracks to a lesser degree), because they already have a large library of very detailed cars, just better lighting would be needed for greater realism.
Doesn't make sense to go into too much detail about GT7 on PS4 right now though!

Totally agree with this. it makes the most logical sense from a sales/development standpoint and as speedfreak69 points out it follows the exisitng version release pattern.

Although it would be nice to dream of a fresh GT6 on a PS4.

I do wonder how good they could make GT in years to come, having the technical means to create better effects, lighting, textures and seeing as they have full res models means as some have stated before they are sorted to a certian extent with some assets so the gap for future production is based around new content I would believe.

Obviously optimizing what they have done to work smooth enough on a PS3 does affect the finer details in some cases but once the hardware is built to handle something far greater it shouldn't take them as long to re-optimize their existing assets.

Really hoping come GT6 they are able to have a license agreement with Porsche. I know for some Porsche's aren't much from a visual standpoint but you can't deny the brands performance in motor racing and engineering.
Would be pretty awesome in my book.

I should stop reading all these posts and such its driving me nuts, for a short while I got over the whole anticipation thing and forgot about the game (prologue got old pretty quick) but now I'm back to being very annoyed and impatient. Me wants this game now not months away!

 

[Tapey]

The ps4 will be out in 2012/2013. 10 year life cycle doesn't mean there will be no new console for 10 years.

Every console generation lasts longer than the one before it. You're also forgetting that Sony and Microsoft are launching Move and Natal at the end of this year, and both companies are treating these technologies as a re-launch of the PS3 and Xbox 360. We're not even halfway through this console generation yet and although Sony and Microsoft will both be researching and developing new consoles as we speak, you won't be seeing them for a long time yet.

Having said that however, I won't be surprised if Nintendo launches a new console by 2013.

 

[eSZee]

Every console generation lasts longer than the one before it. You're also forgetting that Sony and Microsoft are launching Move and Natal at the end of this year, and both companies are treating these technologies as a re-launch of the PS3 and Xbox 360. We're not even halfway through this console generation yet and although Sony and Microsoft will both be researching and developing new consoles as we speak, you won't be seeing them for a long time yet.

Having said that however, I won't be surprised if Nintendo launches a new console by 2013.

Technology is advancing faster than it did 10 years ago, so would it be smart to keep old tech around longer or would it be smart to have new tech out to compete with M$?
Microsoft said 2012 for the next console 2 years ago. Sony will likely try to beat M$ to the next gen and release PS4 before the M$ offering.
BTW, the time between PS1 and PS2 release was 6 years. Between PS2 and PS3, 6 years.

 

[MichaelDelaney]

My, we really have run out of things to talk about...

Did the board come to some possible solutions to Famine's race car yet? 💡

 

[Griffith500]

Well, it's not a 917...

 

[GTjazzabrandy]

Technology is advancing faster than it did 10 years ago, so would it be smart to keep old tech around longer or would it be smart to have new tech out to compete with M$?
Microsoft said 2012 for the next console 2 years ago. Sony will likely try to beat M$ to the next gen and release PS4 before the M$ offering.
BTW, the time between PS1 and PS2 release was 6 years. Between PS2 and PS3, 6 years.

How is it, that in your 3 month stay at GTP, you have already had by far the most posts in this thread at well over 300 posts?

 

[eSZee]

How is it, that in your 3 month stay at GTP, you have already had by far the most posts in this thread at well over 300 posts?

I feel the need to reply to everything!
How is that relevant to the current "next gen" conversation though?

 

[SrRd RacinG]

I feel the need to reply to everything!
How is that relevant to the current "next gen" conversation though?

I'm right behind you on the post list, but this account has been around the block longer than yours.

On topic, GT5 will be epic!

 

[Northstar]

Why on Earth would Sony want to launch the new PS4 in the next two years? They are still loosing money on every PS3 sold, do you really think they want to launch another new console and loose even more money on that too? The PS3 is only 3 1/2 years into a reportedly 10 year lifecycle.

If MS is planning on releasing a new console in 2012(which seems to be true) this will essentially force Sony to do 1 of two things. 1: Release their new system at around the same time. 2: Announce they are pulling out of the video game console business.

Timing is everything when it comes to releasing a console. Look at the way the Sega Dreamcast did sales wise. By the time it came out the 5th gen consoles had a hold on the market and about a year to early to grasp much of the 6th gen market.

But even assuming that Sony did release the PS4 in two years why would PD want to release GT6 on that instead of the PS3. The PS3 would have an install base of 50+ million units by then. The PS4 would be just launching with at best a couple of million units sold. If you are PD do you want to sell a product to a potential customer base of 50+ million or a potential customer base of 2-3 million?

So why not release GT5 on the PS2? It has sold 140+ million consoles.💡

See, this argument just doesn't work. One reason people think the PS3 got off to a slow start was a lack of a large exclusive, GT6 would fill that slot perfectly for the PS4(or whatever they call it).


P.S. This is why we want a constant stream of news, so we can talk about GT5 instead of console release dates.

 

[Seismica]

If MS is planning on releasing a new console in 2012(which seems to be true) this will essentially force Sony to do 1 of two things. 1: Release their new system at around the same time. 2: Announce they are pulling out of the video game console business.

Timing is everything when it comes to releasing a console. Look at the way the Sega Dreamcast did sales wise. By the time it came out the 5th gen consoles had a hold on the market and about a year to early to grasp much of the 6th gen market.

Sadly, you are right. Regardless of Sony's planned strategy in terms of their next console, MS has them by the balls. If they don't beat them to the market it's going to be an Xbox 360 vs PS3 all over again. After the PS2 was so successful I bet it was a kick in the teeth when MS took 40%+ of their market share.

 

[chepu]

Technology is advancing faster than it did 10 years ago, so would it be smart to keep old tech around longer or would it be smart to have new tech out to compete with M$?
Microsoft said 2012 for the next console 2 years ago. Sony will likely try to beat M$ to the next gen and release PS4 before the M$ offering.
BTW, the time between PS1 and PS2 release was 6 years. Between PS2 and PS3, 6 years.

OMG, I just realised the PS3 is now 4 Yrs old....man this is the Console Gen i've enjoyed the Least, just because I havent had a Full GT Game...

BTW: Just realised another thing, This Gen is now entering its midlife, and still no GT

 

[HN7]

Sadly, you are right. Regardless of Sony's planned strategy in terms of their next console, MS has them by the balls. If they don't beat them to the market it's going to be an Xbox 360 vs PS3 all over again. After the PS2 was so successful I bet it was a kick in the teeth when MS took 40%+ of their market share.

And that's because they release the PS3 just one year later. Imagine 2-3 years, they'd be out of business

 

[GT]

take it easy everyone. I certainly hope that PD keep up with the next generation; yet at the same time they should focus on the here and now. Look, even if M$ announces F4 on the next generation and it looks insane...it's just graphics folks. As long as KY and PD have the drive they will keep on going with the GT-brand. I don't believe any other car game can come close to the feel of GT; hence no other car game can compete with GT in my book (really cutting it short here but if need be I'll explain).

So don't fret about it, just let things come as they may.

 

[GPR]

This is also true, I too believe console wise there is no other title that compares to GT. But regardless of how good it is if there isn't a market deemed big enough in the future then there would be no push to make such a game. But that should never happen. All I know is there is no other game I have anticipated more than this one.

And like many may have done, the only reason I got a PS in the first place was for GT alone.

 

[alucard0712]

Why on Earth would Sony want to launch the new PS4 in the next two years? They are still loosing money on every PS3 sold, do you really think they want to launch another new console and loose even more money on that too? The PS3 is only 3 1/2 years into a reportedly 10 year lifecycle.

But even assuming that Sony did release the PS4 in two years why would PD want to release GT6 on that instead of the PS3. The PS3 would have an install base of 50+ million units by then. The PS4 would be just launching with at best a couple of million units sold. If you are PD do you want to sell a product to a potential customer base of 50+ million or a potential customer base of 2-3 million?

Completely agree! 👍

Only now good times begining for Sony - 3D, Motion controller, Gran Turismo, FF13, GOW3, Last Guardian....I really doubt that will be PS4 in 2012, maybe 2013 or 2014.Their focus on 3D and Motion Controller.
(my opinion)

 

[Metfanant]

Sadly, you are right. Regardless of Sony's planned strategy in terms of their next console, MS has them by the balls. If they don't beat them to the market it's going to be an Xbox 360 vs PS3 all over again. After the PS2 was so successful I bet it was a kick in the teeth when MS took 40%+ of their market share.

you do know the PS3 has outsold the 360 worldwide since 2007 right??

MS does not have Sony by the balls...The PS3 will sell more than the 360 before this console generation is over.

You have to remember the PS3 dominates the 360 in sales everywhere but North America...

 

[Neenor]

Worldwide sales figures
1. Wii – 67.4 million, as of 31 December 2009 (2009 -12-31)[update][8]

2. Xbox 360 – 39 million, as of 1 January 2010 (2010 -01-01)[update][30]

3. PlayStation 3 – 33.5 million, as of 31 December 2009 (2009 -12-31)[update][31]

Still a long way to go for the PS3 to be competitive. Lets face it, they have failed pretty miserably so far...

 

[Famine]

Still a long way to go for the PS3 to be competitive. Lets face it, they have failed pretty miserably so far...

Huh?

By your (Wikipedia) figures the 360 has sold 795,918 units a month since launch, and the PS3 has sold 905,405 units a month. Worldwide the PS3 has outsold the 360 every week but one since August 2009, it has outsold the 360 at every comparable point in the consoles' lives and, for four weeks last year, assumed the position of #1 console worldwide, above the Wii - a position the 360 has never managed.

How is that "failed pretty miserably"?

 

[Jay]

Worldwide sales figures
1. Wii – 67.4 million, as of 31 December 2009 (2009 -12-31)[update][8]

2. Xbox 360 – 39 million, as of 1 January 2010 (2010 -01-01)[update][30]

3. PlayStation 3 – 33.5 million, as of 31 December 2009 (2009 -12-31)[update][31]

Still a long way to go for the PS3 to be competitive. Lets face it, they have failed pretty miserably so far...

The Xbox360 already had 11 million consoles sold by the time the PS3 was first released, do the math.

Wii is in it's own little (or should I say big) world.

 

[Coiler]

Worldwide sales figures
1. Wii – 67.4 million, as of 31 December 2009 (2009 -12-31)[update][8]

2. Xbox 360 – 39 million, as of 1 January 2010 (2010 -01-01)[update][30]

3. PlayStation 3 – 33.5 million, as of 31 December 2009 (2009 -12-31)[update][31]

Still a long way to go for the PS3 to be competitive. Lets face it, they have failed pretty miserably so far...

You Fail miserably...

 

[TokyoDrift]

you do know the PS3 has outsold the 360 worldwide since 2007 right??

MS does not have Sony by the balls...The PS3 will sell more than the 360 before this console generation is over.

You have to remember the PS3 dominates the 360 in sales everywhere but North America...

Sales of PS3 are helped by the fact that is a competent Blu-ray player too. As a games machine, Xbox 360 has the PS3 licked in most areas, especially online. When people come to me and ask what they should buy, it only takes a few questions to know which one is right for them, and usually it's an Xbox 360 because of price, games library, solid online presence etc.

OK, so let's say PS3 overtakes Xbox 360 in total worldwide sales before the end of this generation. PS3 is still several million behind, so the difference is not going to be so huge. Plus, Microsoft are not the ones still losing money on each console sold.

By getting the console out one year ahead of SONY, it gave them chance to build up some credibility more than anything. Now the Xbox 360 brand is synonymous with gaming, whereas the PS3 is still this mixed-up multimedia machine that "only does everything". The way I see it, Microsoft are in a far better position going into the next generation than SONY that's for sure. Yes, both consoles have had issues, but those aside, Microsoft have done nothing but build their brand and reputation for gaming. SONY have had a bit of a fight, not helped by the initial price, but also the fact that the games were (and still aren't for the most part) any better looking than Xbox 360 games, despite all of the magic and promise of CELL.

While I had my reasons for going with SONY this time (largely down to Gran Turismo), it may not be the same decision next time. Sure, I could buy both, but I don't have the space under the TV or the time/desire to play both. Sure, I could have sold my PS3 and just got an Xbox 360 instead, but I've waited this long for GT5 and there is no point jumping ship now!

All I know is, having experienced this rather underwhelming generation, I will have no problem opting to go with Microsoft for the next round, this coming from somebody who has stuck with SONY since day one.

Please don't take this as wanting to start a format war, because that's not the case at all. I just think that despite a late blossom, SONY have dropped the ball this generation, whereas Microsoft have done nothing but learn from the original Xbox and now Xbox 360. Having said that, will Microsoft rest on their laurels third time around like SONY did? Who knows.

Pulling this back in line with GT5 and racing games, IF Microsoft are eyeing up 2012 for their next machine, that would tie in nicely with Forza 4 being either a launch title, or something to launch shortly after. Personally, I think Forza 3 was a decent racer, and with GT5 to learn from too, they have every chance of releasing a machine that could have one hell of a racing game early on in its life.

 

[DaveS1138]

If MS is planning on releasing a new console in 2012(which seems to be true) this will essentially force Sony to do 1 of two things. 1: Release their new system at around the same time. 2: Announce they are pulling out of the video game console business.

Timing is everything when it comes to releasing a console. Look at the way the Sega Dreamcast did sales wise. By the time it came out the 5th gen consoles had a hold on the market and about a year to early to grasp much of the 6th gen market.

Why does MS releasing a new console force Sony to do anything? I think you need to ask yourself what a new console (be it Xbox 720 or PS4) brings to the table that the current generation doesn't have.

Have games that run at a higher resolution......were still just plugging them into 1080p HDTV's, it's not like the PC world where you get monitors with higher and higher resolutions........and do game makers really want another console generation already that they will have to rebuild their game engines for. Development time and cost is already much higher than it was with studios finding it harder and harder to sell the number of copies required to turn a profit. (Just look at the number of development studios laying off staff in the last 2 years). The 360 and PS3 are both just starting to get a sizable install base. Do you really think Microsoft or Sony want to destroy that base with the launch of a new console?

Faster processors. Nobody is using the full potential of the 360 or PS3 yet (PD claimed to only be using about 80% of it's potential with GT5).....why do we need consoles to get faster yet?

Simply put there is a large jump from the Xbox to Xbox 360 and PS2 to PS3 just because they are consoles designed for a High Def world. There is not going to be the same jump from the 360 to 720 or PS3 to PS4.

Both Microsoft and Sony have lost Millions and Millions on thier next gen consoles. Do you really think they are in a hurry to loose Millions and Millions more to launch yet another console before they have made any profit off the last one?

And as has been mentioned by others with the launch of Natal and Move do you really think Microsoft or Sony would want to launch a new console barely a year later to destroy that early market?

So why not release GT5 on the PS2? It has sold 140+ million consoles.💡

See, this argument just doesn't work. One reason people think the PS3 got off to a slow start was a lack of a large exclusive, GT6 would fill that slot perfectly for the PS4(or whatever they call it).


P.S. This is why we want a constant stream of news, so we can talk about GT5 instead of console release dates.

Because if they released GT5 on the PS2 it would have to compete against both GT3 and GT4. They would not be able to make the game significantly better feature wise since they were already pushing what the PS2 could do. You couldn't easily add features like online or make the graphics or physics significantly better. There would be little point for any but the diehard fans buying the upgrade.

Also there may be 140+ million PS2's sold in it's lifetime but how many of those consoles are used by people actively buying new games? Looking at the sales of new PS2 titles you would have to guess not many.

So the point still stands that the PS3 would have a much, much larger active customer base than the PS2 or a newly launched PS4 two years from now.

 

[irnbrutwinturbo]

Sales of PS3 are helped by the fact that is a competent Blu-ray player too. As a games machine, Xbox 360 has the PS3 licked in most areas, especially online. When people come to me and ask what they should buy, it only takes a few questions to know which one is right for them, and usually it's an Xbox 360 because of price, games library, solid online presence etc.

OK, so let's say PS3 overtakes Xbox 360 in total worldwide sales before the end of this generation. PS3 is still several million behind, so the difference is not going to be so huge. Plus, Microsoft are not the ones still losing money on each console sold.

By getting the console out one year ahead of SONY, it gave them chance to build up some credibility more than anything. Now the Xbox 360 brand is synonymous with gaming, whereas the PS3 is still this mixed-up multimedia machine that "only does everything". The way I see it, Microsoft are in a far better position going into the next generation than SONY that's for sure. Yes, both consoles have had issues, but those aside, Microsoft have done nothing but build their brand and reputation for gaming. SONY have had a bit of a fight, not helped by the initial price, but also the fact that the games were (and still aren't for the most part) any better looking than Xbox 360 games, despite all of the magic and promise of CELL.

While I had my reasons for going with SONY this time (largely down to Gran Turismo), it may not be the same decision next time. Sure, I could buy both, but I don't have the space under the TV or the time/desire to play both. Sure, I could have sold my PS3 and just got an Xbox 360 instead, but I've waited this long for GT5 and there is no point jumping ship now!

All I know is, having experienced this rather underwhelming generation, I will have no problem opting to go with Microsoft for the next round, this coming from somebody who has stuck with SONY since day one.

Please don't take this as wanting to start a format war, because that's not the case at all. I just think that despite a late blossom, SONY have dropped the ball this generation, whereas Microsoft have done nothing but learn from the original Xbox and now Xbox 360. Having said that, will Microsoft rest on their laurels third time around like SONY did? Who knows.

Pulling this back in line with GT5 and racing games, IF Microsoft are eyeing up 2012 for their next machine, that would tie in nicely with Forza 4 being either a launch title, or something to launch shortly after. Personally, I think Forza 3 was a decent racer, and with GT5 to learn from too, they have every chance of releasing a machine that could have one hell of a racing game early on in its life.

That's some rant. I'm pretty much the opposite, in most cases i would recommend the PS3.

You failed to mention the 360's reliability issues, the cost of playing online, the extra cost for the wireless adapter, the wife appreciation factor, the limited media playback, the lack of true internet access.......in fact the list just keeps going. I've played most of the big exclusive titles and the only that has come close to making me consider an XBOX is Forza. I then played Forza 3 on my brother XBOX for a long weekend and discovered too many flaws for it to keep me busy until GT5 arrives.

The 360 has already passed it's peak, it's old tech, the PS3 is still in it's infancy.

 

[Northstar]

Why does MS releasing a new console force Sony to do anything? I think you need to ask yourself what a new console (be it Xbox 720 or PS4) brings to the table that the current generation doesn't have.

Simple really, if MS and Nintendo release new consoles while Sony sticks with the PS3 they will get left behind and become the next Sega. Problem with technology is that once a new generation comes out the previous one is deemed old and useless. Obviously this isn't true, but in the consumers eyes a 2012 console will be better than one released in 2006.

Essentially consumers like shiny new toys, once they have these new toys they don't give a staring glance at older versions.

Because if they released GT5 on the PS3 it would have to compete against both GT3 and GT4. They would not be able to make the game significantly better feature wise since they were already pushing what the PS2 could do. You couldn't easily add features like online or make the graphics or physics significantly better. There would be little point for any but the diehard fans buying the upgrade.

So why put GT6 on the PS3 where it will have to compete with GT5?

Also there may be 140+ million PS2's sold in it's lifetime but how many of those consoles are used by people actively buying new games? Looking at the sales of new PS2 titles you would have to guess not many.

And this won't happen to the PS3? People will move onto the next gen consoles and won't care about previous generations, it's happened to every gen so far and I don't see it ending.

So the point still stands that the PS3 would have a much, much larger active customer base than the PS2 or a newly launched PS4 two years from now.

So companies shouldn't bother with launch titles on new consoles since the older ones have a larger base?