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[FishforRent]

I thought everything on the interwebs was fact???


*runs*

 

[RedSuinit]

Why do you insist that everyone agree with you?

If you don't think that way, it sure doesn't show.

Exactly my point in my other post.

I thought everything on the interwebs was fact???





*runs*

 

[eSZee]

Why do you insist that everyone agree with you?

If you don't think that way, it sure doesn't show.

Where did I ask anyone to agree with me?
I said my opinion, got attacked and told I'm wrong, LOL, and I'm the one forcing my views?

 

[TokyoDrift]

That's how you clearly show that it's just your opinion, and no one will take it as if you're trying to make a universal fact out of it.

To be fair though, even if I'd have said, "Killzone 2 was a pile of crap", that is still quite obviously my opinion. Surely it only takes a bit of common sense for people to understand the difference between opinion and fact given the context of a discussion? Evidently not looking at G.T.Ace's response to what dave_sz wrote...

Maybe it's just me, but I did not read "KZ2 was a bust" as him stating it as a universal fact, especially when it was contained within a sentence full of "I'm looking forward to, I couldn't care less, doesn't interest me"-type statements. Funny as well how only the negative statement was picked up on. He also said, "SOCOM was good on the PS2". Is that a fact as well, or an opinion that you happen to agree with?

I'm not arguing here, but why should people have to quantify things with acronyms such as "IMO" for the picky individuals out there who read into things literally and apply no logic or thought whatsoever? Is it not enough that posts are made by an individual in the first place without having to use "I think" or "IMO"?

Also, did you ever ask yourself why people get frustrated when they are told that "their opinion is not fact"? It's ususally because they had no intention of passing off their opinion as fact (see common sense statement above), but somehow they find themselves confronted by an individual who decides to, in a roundabout way, tell them that they are wrong. It happens a lot around here, and personally, I think the people who go around saying, "Your opinion is not fact" or "Why do you insist that everyone agrees with you?" are the ones with the problem, not the other way around.

 

[Skidmark]

GT5 is really the only one I'm holding my breath for.

Potentially Agent will be cool, but there isn't much info about it. Rockstar don't unsually let us down though.

I wasn't a fan of LBP or either Killzone, especially KZ the controls just didn't feel quite right. I could never put my finger on why, they just were not as good as COD's IMO.

Will be interesting to see what the Medal of Honour looks like.

 

[eSZee]

Also looking forward to Medal of Honor, not a PS3 exclusive, finally going modern.

 

[Seismica]

To be fair though, even if I'd have said, "Killzone 2 was a pile of crap", that is still quite obviously my opinion. Surely it only takes a bit of common sense for people to understand the difference between opinion and fact given the context of a discussion? Evidently not looking at G.T.Ace's response to what dave_sz wrote...

Maybe it's just me, but I did not read "KZ2 was a bust" as him stating it as a universal fact, especially when it was contained within a sentence full of "I'm looking forward to, I couldn't care less, doesn't interest me"-type statements. Funny as well how only the negative statement was picked up on. He also said, "SOCOM was good on the PS2". Is that a fact as well, or an opinion that you happen to agree with?

I'm not arguing here, but why should people have to quantify things with acronyms such as "IMO" for the picky individuals out there who read into things literally and apply no logic or thought whatsoever? Is it not enough that posts are made by an individual in the first place without having to use "I think" or "IMO"?

Also, did you ever ask yourself why people get frustrated when they are told that "their opinion is not fact"? It's ususally because they had no intention of passing off their opinion as fact (see common sense statement above), but somehow they find themselves confronted by an individual who decides to, in a roundabout way, tell them that they are wrong. It happens a lot around here, and personally, I think the people who go around saying, "Your opinion is not fact" or "Why do you insist that everyone agrees with you?" are the ones with the problem, not the other way around.

It does happen a lot around here you are right. I always end up putting 'I think' or 'In my opinion' (I don't like using abbreviations... Plus I think it borders on breaking the AUP - theres another one , I certainly wouldn't know what it was if English wasn't my first language).

I may have been guilty of doing that myself the other day, when a user stated HDTVs were 'essential' and I disagreed

It'll be interesting to see what the developers behind Medal of Honour have come up with. Frontline and Allied Assault were excellent in my opinion , but then Call of Duty came along and completely destroyed them in that genre.

 

[TokyoDrift]

It does happen a lot around here you are right. I always end up putting 'I think' or 'In my opinion' (I don't like using abbreviations... Plus I think it borders on breaking the AUP - theres another one , I certainly wouldn't know what it was if English wasn't my first language).

I may have been guilty of doing that myself the other day, when a user stated HDTVs were 'essential' and I disagreed

It'll be interesting to see what the developers behind Medal of Honour have come up with. Frontline and Allied Assault were excellent in my opinion , but then Call of Duty came along and completely destroyed them in that genre.

Yep, you are right, especially about the language element, and somewhere along the line there is a fine balance to be struck. I just wish some people would use a bit more common sense instead of calling people out for passing off opinion as fact.

However...

What I also wish, is that if people must write things like, "HDTVs are essential", they should at least back that up with reasoning. I can see why such an open-ended statemnt could rattle some people, and agree that in this case would be bordering on breaking the AUP. In the case of what dave_sz wrote though, I think all of the flack that resulted afterwards was totally uncalled for.

Sorry dave_sz, I know you don't need people fending your corner, I'm just using your post as a recent example!

 

[RACECAR]

I'm mainly look forward to:

GT5
LBP 2
KZ3 (maybe)

Unfortunately my taste in games is mostly in racing so its rare if I actually look for to something not in racing.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Also looking forward to Medal of Honor, not a PS3 exclusive, finally going modern.

Too late though? I love Frontline on PS2, but after that they kind of fizzled out for me. I'm a WWII fanatic so that's probably why. But when all these Call of Duty's and Modern Warefare's out now, I wonder if it will even sell well?

 

[eSZee]

Too late though? I love Frontline on PS2, but after that they kind of fizzled out for me. I'm a WWII fanatic so that's probably why. But when all these Call of Duty's and Modern Warefare's out now, I wonder if it will even sell well?

Maybe but better later than never. I think if they stuck with WW2 the game would still sell. They just probably thought they needed to go modern to keep up with COD, which as MW2 showed, might not be such a great idea.
COD:BlackOps, now that's going to be epic.

Sorry dave_sz, I know you don't need people fending your corner, I'm just using your post as a recent example!

Thanks and I'm used to it. Being used and being used as an example.

 

[RedSuinit]

To be fair though, even if I'd have said, "Killzone 2 was a pile of crap", that is still quite obviously my opinion. Surely it only takes a bit of common sense for people to understand the difference between opinion and fact given the context of a discussion? Evidently not looking at G.T.Ace's response to what dave_sz wrote...

Maybe it's just me, but I did not read "KZ2 was a bust" as him stating it as a universal fact, especially when it was contained within a sentence full of "I'm looking forward to, I couldn't care less, doesn't interest me"-type statements. Funny as well how only the negative statement was picked up on. He also said, "SOCOM was good on the PS2". Is that a fact as well, or an opinion that you happen to agree with?

I'm not arguing here, but why should people have to quantify things with acronyms such as "IMO" for the picky individuals out there who read into things literally and apply no logic or thought whatsoever? Is it not enough that posts are made by an individual in the first place without having to use "I think" or "IMO"?

Also, did you ever ask yourself why people get frustrated when they are told that "their opinion is not fact"? It's ususally because they had no intention of passing off their opinion as fact (see common sense statement above), but somehow they find themselves confronted by an individual who decides to, in a roundabout way, tell them that they are wrong. It happens a lot around here, and personally, I think the people who go around saying, "Your opinion is not fact" or "Why do you insist that everyone agrees with you?" are the ones with the problem, not the other way around.

How is it illogical to read ones statement as it is typed. Written words have no inflection, no feeling. How come when someone writes a news article, it's immediately assumed that they are writing about facts and not just their opinions? Because unless typed or expressed in some form or fashion, all text (when just read, and taken at face value, not ASSUMING anything) appears to be a collection and trading of facts.

You're an idiot.

IMO you're an idiot.

NOTE: These two sentences are not directed at anyone at all, in any way.

Perfect example, statement one, without forcing yourself to take out some magical inference that may or MAY NOT have been implicated by the originator, it is taken as a statement of fact, as if there is evidence to back said statement. Statement two, clearly displayed as JUST a matter of opinion, therefore no assumption of an inference is needed, therefore no INCORRECT ASSUMPTION can be made, either for or against whether or not said statement was in fact just an opinion.

Also, if I had not made my declaratory "NOTE:" remark, my two statements would have appeared to have been nothing more than immature sarcasm calling you an idiot whilst attempting to make a point, when in fact it is neither sarcasm OR calling you an idiot. Get it? I fail to see how taking written word as it is written, in the context of the post as a whole is illogical.

Also, about the SOCOM statement, I did acknowledge it in my post. Sorry I didn't address every single aspect of it, I'll worked harder to make sure I make you happy next time.

Also, as for Tenacious D's comment, he even put a winky face, a CLEAR indication of sarcasm, followed up by "If you really think that way, you don't show it" statement. Yet as TEXT because there is no inflection, and no feeling it was misread and misconstrued, PROVING MY POINT. Tell me again how any of this runs against logic? If you don't want what you write to be misunderstood and misconstrued, then don't write anything or cover your bases when you do, and when you don't cover your bases, don't cry about it when what you said gets taken the wrong way.

 

[RACECAR]

Too late though? I love Frontline on PS2, but after that they kind of fizzled out for me. I'm a WWII fanatic so that's probably why. But when all these Call of Duty's and Modern Warefare's out now, I wonder if it will even sell well?

Doesn't seem like the WWII games are as popular as they use to be so I'm thinking it might not sell as good.

 

[eSZee]

If you don't want what you write to be misunderstood and misconstrued, then don't write anything or cover your bases when you do, and when you don't cover your bases, don't cry about it when what you said gets taken the wrong way.

When I use words that any competent person would see as indicators of opinionated statements, it seems that's more than enough when it comes to "covering my bases".

Get it? I fail to see how taking written word as it is written, in the context of the post as a whole is illogical.

If you had done that this issue would've never come up. You read what I wrote, ignored every attempt I made to show it was my opinion, and started this pointless **** storm.

 

[Perkel]

uh 15 days people ! Stop arguing and start praying

 

[eSZee]

uh 15 days people ! Stop arguing and start praying

I'm trying.

 

[Spagetti69]

This forum is the funniest and most entertaining forum ever. It's like a long running soap opera. I was lurking here ages before I had the courage to sign up. Couldn't wait for the next installment.

If any GT 5 news was around that was a bonus too.

 

[RedSuinit]

When I use words that any competent person would see as indicators of opinionated statements, it seems that's more than enough when it comes to "covering my bases".

If you had done that this issue would've never come up. You read what I wrote, ignored every attempt I made to show it was my opinion, and started this pointless **** storm.

When I first read this, I thought to myself, "What statements?" so I went back and read the original post, and you are correct, I misunderstood your comment. You did say "Everything else I don't care for." which can be taken as an overarching statement of opinion covering the rest of the post. I just didn't take it that way. So I apologize for accusing you of doing something you were not doing, and now realize that I look like a total d-bag.

Just one other thing, I may have overlooked what you said in your post, but I am not incompetent, not in the least. However, stooping to such levels really shows what kind of person you are.

 

[eSZee]

When I first read this, I thought to myself, "What statements?" so I went back and read the original post, and you are correct, I misunderstood your comment. You did say "Everything else I don't care for." which can be taken as an overarching statement of opinion covering the rest of the post. I just didn't take it that way. So I apologize for accusing you of doing something you were not doing, and now realize that I look like a total d-bag.

Just one other thing, I may have overlooked what you said in your post, but I am not incompetent, not in the least. However, stooping to such levels really shows what kind of person you are.

No, it shows I was irritated. You telling me I was crying about being called out wasn't such a high thing either.
You're not incompetent, you're probably one of the most intelligent people here. I was just irritated. That is all.

 

[TokyoDrift]

How is it illogical to read ones statement as it is typed.

See below...

If you don't want what you write to be misunderstood and misconstrued, then don't write anything or cover your bases when you do, and when you don't cover your bases, don't cry about it when what you said gets taken the wrong way.

Like I said and has already been echoed, any competent individual with an ounce of common sense will be able to read and interpret something in context.

1. You are on a forum where people will typically express their opinion
2. You are on a forum where games are a popular topic of discussion
3. Games (like most experiences in life) are highly subjective, and can only ever be classed as "good" or "bad" based on personal experience and perception
4. The post in question was clearly written from that individuals viewpoint with clear expression of personal opinion

Of course there are subjects and scenarios where you should fully qualify your meaning to avoid mis-interpretation, but this is not one of them. When somebody on a forum says that a particular game or console is not very good, it is blindingly obvious that it represents their personal view. The only reason you would respond with something like "your opinion is not fact" is if you disagree with their opinion and feel the need to argue and challenge it like an anal retentive.

It's interesting how you end your response to dave_sz by defending yourself and telling him what kind of person he is. That tells me a lot about how you are. If you can't apologise to somebody without making some disparaging final comment to make yourself feel better, why bother?

 

[Dan_]

uh 15 days people ! Stop arguing and start praying

Any NASCAR fan would like to comment on it? We need more arguing to spend time until E3 arrives.

 

[RedSuinit]

See below...


Like I said and has already been echoed, any competent individual with an ounce of common sense will be able to read and interpret something in context.

1. You are on a forum where people will typically express their opinion
2. You are on a forum where games are a popular topic of discussion
3. Games (like most experiences in life) are highly subjective, and can only ever be classed as "good" or "bad" based on personal experience and perception
4. The post in question was clearly written from that individuals viewpoint with clear expression of personal opinion

Of course there are subjects and scenarios where you should fully qualify your meaning to avoid mis-interpretation, but this is not one of them. When somebody on a forum says that a particular game or console is not very good, it is blindingly obvious that it represents their personal view. The only reason you would respond with something like "your opinion is not fact" is if you disagree with their opinion and feel the need to argue and challenge it like an anal retentive.

It's interesting how you end your response to dave_sz by defending yourself and telling him what kind of person he is. That tells me a lot about how you are. If you can't apologise to somebody without making some disparaging final comment to make yourself feel better, why bother?

Who is to say this is not one of them? You? Since when were you the overlord of all things contextual? You are guilty of doing the SAME THING you are berating me about now. I made a mistake, admitted it, and apologized about it.

If you can't carry on a debate (yes even one based in a misunderstanding) without belittling yourself and slandering the other person, then why bother? It's interesting to me that you as well are calling me incompetent even thought I have thoroughly shown my viewpoint in a well thought out manner, and apologized for taking his comment out of context. If you can't keep your words under control, don't say anything, it's as simple as that. Oh, and the AUP is very clear on insulting other people. I didn't report what he said because I knew he said it out of irritation, and not because he was trying to be a jerk, you on the other hand are doing it simply to insult and berate me.

No, it shows I was irritated. You telling me I was crying about being called out wasn't such a high thing either.
You're not incompetent, you're probably one of the most intelligent people here. I was just irritated. That is all.

I must apologize again. That comment about not crying was not directed at you, however I did not make that clear and I can understand how you could read it like that, thank you for the compliment and I am sorry I irritated you to that point in the first place, especially over something that wasn't even existent.

 

[subsonic]

Any NASCAR fan would like to comment on it? We need more arguing to spend time until E3 arrives.

Nascar is not boring. Nascar Rulez!!!

 

[Owen.C93]

Nascar is not boring. Nascar Rulez!!!

Oh ok, good to know

 

[Pat_f40]

I would love to see some ETCC/WTCC/FIA GT championships in GT5...

 

[TokyoDrift]

Who is to say this is not one of them? You? Since when were you the overlord of all things contextual? You are guilty of doing the SAME THING you are berating me about now. I made a mistake, admitted it, and apologized about it.

Guilty of what?! I wasn't apologising to you in the first place... You, on the other hand, apologised and then took it all back with your parting statement.

If you can't carry on a debate (yes even one based in a misunderstanding) without belittling yourself and slandering the other person, then why bother? It's interesting to me that you as well are calling me incompetent even thought I have thoroughly shown my viewpoint in a well thought out manner, and apologized for taking his comment out of context. If you can't keep your words under control, don't say anything, it's as simple as that. Oh, and the AUP is very clear on insulting other people. I didn't report what he said because I knew he said it out of irritation, and not because he was trying to be a jerk, you on the other hand are doing it simply to insult and berate me.

Was I the one who started the "don't go crying if..." crap in the first place? No. Did I call you incompetent? No, you are making that up.

It's funny how you change your tune when the boot is on the other foot. Reading over your past posts, picking out just one comment you call someone a pessimistic narcissist who does not know what they are talking about, just because they don't like a game series that you do. Not only that, you finish by saying, "All of which were excellent games"... Is that universal fact or your opinion, because going by your rules, you didn't make that clear?

I'm not being insulting at all, just piecing together all of the facts into a cohesive message. I have no intention to offend you, and apologise of I have done so. However, if there is one thing I cannot stand when people argue in forums, it is them making things up and being hypocritical.

 

[wajdi1977]

I would love to see some ETCC/WTCC/FIA GT championships in GT5...

 

[chepe371]

Rating : PG

"omg i dont care, a rat a scorpion, i dont care man" -Charlie

 

[Torero82]

Can you continue your personal discussion in private messages please?

 

[RedSuinit]

Guilty of what?! I wasn't apologising to you in the first place... You, on the other hand, apologised and then took it all back with your parting statement.

You're guilty of taking what other people say out of context.

Was I the one who started the "don't go crying if..." crap in the first place? No. Did I call you incompetent? No, you are making that up.

Really?

See below...


Like I said and has already been echoed, any competent individual with an ounce of common sense will be able to read and interpret something in context.

That was directed at me, but you're right, I'm making that up.

It's funny how you change your tune when the boot is on the other foot. Reading over your past posts, picking out just one comment you call someone a pessimistic narcissist who does not know what they are talking about, just because they don't like a game series that you do. Not only that, you finish by saying, "All of which were excellent games"... Is that universal fact or your opinion, because going by your rules, you didn't make that clear?

Change WHAT tune? I haven't changed anything and stand 100% behind everything I have said. I told him to "enjoy your pessimistic narcissism" about his "another year, another mediocre E3" he was acting pessimistic, and when misreading his comment, appeared to be very narcissistic with what appeared to be an overarching comment about SONYs E3 as a whole, followed up with my response of "It won't be a mediocre E3 for me, and many other playstation owners."

I'm not being insulting at all, just piecing together all of the facts into a cohesive message. I have no intention to offend you, and apologise of I have done so. However, if there is one thing I cannot stand when people argue in forums, it is them making things up and being hypocritical.

Piecing it together by taking things out of context? Now who isn't sticking by their own rules? I am still waiting to see where I made something up, and was being hypocritical.