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SuperShouden
umm...to model the interior. I mean, I bet you that Kaz has permissions from a lot of Car collectors like Jay Leno to come in and photograph any of their cars, but still. And in GT4 and before they were really focusing on interiors. (BTW, GT3 did have a PSP-style black interior that was taken out right before release, but the Music re-plays still want to use it every once and a while)
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They only need to deal with collectors in rare situations; they work incredibly closely with all the manufacturers in the games, and most companies have their own collection of rare models. Nissan for example can provide just about all of their historic and concept cars. The harder issue is with the tiny independants; sourcing a pristine Ginetta or Marcos Mini must've been a fair bit harder.

I really don't think the data PD gathered for GT4 is enough for Premium models. Where has it ever been said they were getting them "with the PS3 in mind"? The technology available in 2001-2004 wasn't as advanced as it is now, and there was never any plans to include every single car's interior (in GT4), so even if for some reason they did take pictures of every aspect of every GT4 car's interior, it might not be up to a suitable standard these days. I mean, it's possible, it just seems... unlikely. I think there's a reason they've been remodelling some cars we've seen in previous GT's up to Premium; they happened to have them available to check out, in person, again. The amount of data required for a Premium model would've been utter overkill during development of GT4.

Besides... if they really did have sufficient data, they definitely would have more than 200 Premiums ready after 5 years :)

...I'll agree with the common sentiment that we'll only see the Standard car number drop as time goes, though. Thank goodness.
 
What I am curious about is (let's assume GT6=PS4.)

In GT6, will many of the standard cars be dropped out of the series (and therefore simply be replaced by 'newer' cars to keep the car count high?)

Or

In GT6, will we only play with premium cars? Surely they won't be able to model the remaining 800 standard cars to become premium by then. And to transfer them over 2 generations would look disgusting.
 
SrRd RacinG
What I am curious about is (let's assume GT6=PS4.)

In GT6, will many of the standard cars be dropped out of the series (and therefore replaced by 'newer' cars?)

Or

In GT6, will we only play with premium car. Let's assume GT6 is on PS4. Sure they won't be able to model the remaining 800 standard cars. Ans to transfer them over 2 generations would disgusting.
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Here you go:
 
I've seen that many times on this site. I think the consensus is that it's not a PD render.

Despite that, it still looks gorgeous. I'd kiss it.
 
I agree with the rare cars. I mean yeah, Some companies like Mercedes, Ferrari, Maserati and the like have their cars in museums. Even Chrysler has their own museum (and probably Chevy and Ford, as well), but there are cars that are a little harder to track down, like the Ginetta's and things. Then again, I'm sure someone at PD has the number of the guy who has those rare cars and can go model it from there. But, befriending someone like Jay Leno would be an advantage simply because he has a MASSIVE collection. And we KNOW that PD has sourced him for at least one car. And I believe, Jay said that PD was there to record some engine sounds and take pictures of other cars when they saw the Blasaline "Tank Car" and Kaz asked if they could model it, and Jay said, "Sure." Also, Jay was in GTPSP. So, I wouldn't be surprised if, for cars like the '70 Challenger and some of the harder to find cars, they at least check to see if he has them in his collection.
 
SrRd RacinG
What I am curious about is (let's assume GT6=PS4.)

In GT6, will many of the standard cars be dropped out of the series (and therefore simply be replaced by 'newer' cars to keep the car count high?)

Or

In GT6, will we only play with premium cars? Surely they won't be able to model the remaining 800 standard cars to become premium by then. And to transfer them over 2 generations would look disgusting.
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Now that I've read up a bit more on Sony's plans, I guess they're planning on keeping the PS3 going for a while yet? In that case, I feel like GT6 might actually make it on this console (I'm being incredibly optimistic and ignoring PD's track record). The smart move on Sony's part would be to allow them to hire a lot more people to work just on car models. Assuming we are infact getting weather come November 2, that covers a lot of bases for the next game in the series; weather, time, and damage are all implemented, so the team that needs to work on those just needs to fine-tune, or add different weather effects. They can implement (or enhance, depending on if we get them with 5) a livery editor and track editor.

PD's proven time and time again that their primary concern is graphics. Since Kaz refused to accept a lower standard for the Premium cars, we got boned with this Standard nonsense, but the other edge of the sword is that he has a quality standard that will still be incredibly high for the next few years. There's no way we'll be disappointed with GT5's models in 3 years time... at least, I know I wouldn't be.

If Sony gives them the sheer numbers necessary, we could have all Premiums in a few years. Surely despite all this two-tier garbage, Kaz recognizes the Standards are a thing of the past, and I doubt any more cars will be showing up in that group. In terms of car models... it only gets better from here.
 
SlipZtrEm
Now that I've read up a bit more on Sony's plans, I guess they're planning on keeping the PS3 going for a while yet? In that case, I feel like GT6 might actually make it on this console (I'm being incredibly optimistic and ignoring PD's track record). The smart move on Sony's part would be to allow them to hire a lot more people to work just on car models. Assuming we are infact getting weather come November 2, that covers a lot of bases for the next game in the series; weather, time, and damage are all implemented, so the team that needs to work on those just needs to fine-tune, or add different weather effects. They can implement (or enhance, depending on if we get them with 5) a livery editor and track editor.

PD's proven time and time again that their primary concern is graphics. Since Kaz refused to accept a lower standard for the Premium cars, we got boned with this Standard nonsense, but the other edge of the sword is that he has a quality standard that will still be incredibly high for the next few years. There's no way we'll be disappointed with GT5's models in 3 years time... at least, I know I wouldn't be.

If Sony gives them the sheer numbers necessary, we could have all Premiums in a few years. Surely despite all this two-tier garbage, Kaz recognizes the Standards are a thing of the past, and I doubt any more cars will be showing up in that group. In terms of car models... it only gets better from here.
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Didn't you just contradict yourself? If PD's focus is graphics, don't you think the Standard cars will look pretty freakin' awesome, as well? Not the, panel by panel detail that the premium cars get, but I still think, that if you raced them side by side, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them
 
So it is my assumption many of the standard cars will be making their curtain call in GT5.

However, you HAVE TO EXPECT some standard models to remain in all GT titles. As time goes by, PD wouldn't ever think to drop off a C2 Vette. Surely it's "OLD", but it's not any more "boring". This is a car I expect to see in every GT title.

My expectation is that about half will be cut in short time. Some will stay, of course (like Vette models and other historical cars), but many will likely be booted out due to new models coming in and the fact that some are just not as relevant or lack serious history to make the cut.
 
SuperShouden
Didn't you just contradict yourself? If PD's focus is graphics, don't you think the Standard cars will look pretty freakin' awesome, as well? Not the, panel by panel detail that the premium cars get, but I still think, that if you raced them side by side, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them
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No. GT5 has been in devopment for half a decade, and they have 200 current-gen models to show for it. Had Kaz accepted a slightly lower level of quality for these models, more could've been done in this time, and we'd have less (or maybe even no) Standard cars.

His focus on graphic quality gave us this two-tier system. Yeah, it's an odd catch-22, but it makes sense. The good thing is my proposed sub-Premium suggestion might've meant they'd be outdated sooner. GT5's Premium cars look utterly fantastic, so they won't need any updates for the next game :)

SrRd RacinG
So it is my assumption many of the standard cars will be making their curtain call in GT5.

However, you HAVE TO EXPECT some standard models to remain in all GT titles. As time goes by, PD wouldn't ever think to drop off a C2 Vette. Surely it's "OLD", but it's not any more "boring".This is a car I expect to see in every GT title.

My expectation is that about half will be cut in short time. Some will stay, of course (like Vette models and other historical cars), but many will likely be booted out due to new models coming in and the fact that some are just not as relevant or lack serious history to make the cut.
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Agreed, just like the jump from GT2 to GT3 meant some cars permanently disappeared (all Vectors, Venturis, Subaru SVX, Mazda Cosmos '90's, etc etc). I don't see Standard cars always existing though; GT4 models can't really be improved on any more than GT5 is doing with the lighting. I can guarantee there are at least a few handfuls of every generation Vette sitting somewhere in pristine condition, to use your example. We will see them turn Premium ;).

Maybe in GT6 though, "Standard" will mean something different from now. Right now, it's recycled GT4 models. Maybe come GT6, Standards just won't be able to have dislocated body panels, based on a carmaker's wishes. A good example would be the R390 Road Car; I'm sure Nissan would let Kaz and the gang around it again to bump it up to Premium detail, and even get inside, but they might not want it getting smashed up in game.

The cars we will see drop off are the more mundane ones, which is sad given Kaz's "encyclopedia" goal. We never got the old '89 Protege sedan back, or the sedan Civic. We get older obscure cars, but we're losing out on the boring everyday cars... which were a lot of fun to take to hunt big game. I'll give a real-life example; how many pristine '86 Accords do you see? It's those cars that have the biggest chance of disappearing once everything goes Premium.
 
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How about the C5R?

Would you think it would make the GT6 cut?

Or let's be even more dramatic. If GT6 is on the PS4, would we see it finally get a premium style render of it? Or would it be lost as many cars have in GT titles? (M12 Vector, I miss you).
 
SrRd RacinG
How about the C5R?

Would you think it would make the GT6 cut?

Or let's be even more dramatic. If GT6 is on the PS4, would we see it finally get a premium style render of it? Or would it be lost as many cars have in GT titles? (M12 Vector, I miss you).
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PD still has the license for Vector, so it could even appear in GT5. (the GT sites don't say "Cars from GT4 only" but "Cars from previous GT games")

And the C5 is old. All the C5s used in racing have been replaced with the C6. I think the last C5 used was dropped after last season of ALMS and Grand-Am. After that, the teams using it either dropped out or switched to the C6. And remember, the C7 Stingray is getting ready to come out for 2012, I believe.
 
SrRd RacinG
Some could argue their existence in GT4. But for me, 10 is enough.

And I'm not sure if KY would cut those (being Japanese and all).
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To me it doesnt hurt at all. It doesnt require much change so i dont see why all shouldnt be included.!
 
SuperShouden
PD still has the license for Vector, so it could even appear in GT5. (the GT sites don't say "Cars from GT4 only" but "Cars from previous GT games")

And the C5 is old. All the C5s used in racing have been replaced with the C6. I think the last C5 used was dropped after last season of ALMS and Grand-Am. After that, the teams using it either dropped out or switched to the C6. And remember, the C7 Stingray is getting ready to come out for 2012, I believe.
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But take into account the M12 is from GT2. I mean, sure, they could have totally re-done it and made it premium, but surely you cannot expect it to be upscaled from 2 generations ago (PS1).

As for the C7 Vette-Godly. Beautiful. America and GM's at it again! :)
 
I would suspect if the Vector DOES return, it'd be a Standard car, not a premium. I think the majority of the premium cars are going to be made up of American, German, Italian and Race cars.
 
SlipZtrEm
They only need to deal with collectors in rare situations; they work incredibly closely with all the manufacturers in the games, and most companies have their own collection of rare models. Nissan for example can provide just about all of their historic and concept cars. The harder issue is with the tiny independants; sourcing a pristine Ginetta or Marcos Mini must've been a fair bit harder.

I really don't think the data PD gathered for GT4 is enough for Premium models. Where has it ever been said they were getting them "with the PS3 in mind"? The technology available in 2001-2004 wasn't as advanced as it is now, and there was never any plans to include every single car's interior (in GT4), so even if for some reason they did take pictures of every aspect of every GT4 car's interior, it might not be up to a suitable standard these days. I mean, it's possible, it just seems... unlikely. I think there's a reason they've been remodelling some cars we've seen in previous GT's up to Premium; they happened to have them available to check out, in person, again. The amount of data required for a Premium model would've been utter overkill during development of GT4.

Besides... if they really did have sufficient data, they definitely would have more than 200 Premiums ready after 5 years :)

...I'll agree with the common sentiment that we'll only see the Standard car number drop as time goes, though. Thank goodness.
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Kaz said himself that gt4 models were designed with the next generation console in mind.
Hopefully PD would know better than not take the opportunity given to them and only photograph what they need for the game they're working at the time and not future games.

Because they sat on their hands for 5 years not working on cars?
We got 70 cars for gt5p, and in the time since the release the number is nearing 170 premium cars according to latest articles and interviews. I don't know about you but that adds up for me.

SuperShouden
I would suspect if the Vector DOES return, it'd be a Standard car, not a premium. I think the majority of the premium cars are going to be made up of American, German, Italian and Race cars.
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Why not Japanese cars? Most of the premium cars are new cars to the series with a few remakes of past cars from certain countries.
 
I love all the things from E3 2010 and beforehand, but I am beginning to fear that maybe we won't be seeing as many "NEW" cars to the series.

I know we have Maserati (MC12 likely), Lamborghini, Ferrari, Bugatti, McLaren. But what about models like the Diablo? Testsarossa? F50? EB110?

I expect them to be in GT5, but damn, it seems that the Countach is standard, so what's that mean for other older models (90's primarily)....New cars (new to the series, not referring to years) aren't necessarily clear cut to be premiums, but I cannot help but wonder.

Eh, it's all speculation.
 
SrRd RacinG
I love all the things from E3 2010 and beforehand, but I am beginning to fear that maybe we won't be seeing as many "NEW" cars to the series.

I know we have Maserati (MC12 likely), Lamborghini, Ferrari, Bugatti, McLaren. But what about models like the Diablo? Testsarossa? F50? EB110?

I expect them to be in GT5, but damn, it seems that the Countach is standard, so what's that mean for other older models (90's primarily)....New cars (new to the series, not referring to years) aren't necessarily clear cut to be premiums, but I cannot help but wonder.

Eh, it's all speculation.
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I wasn't saying all new cars will be premium. The majority of premium cars seem to be GT newcomers with a dash of nostalgia from a few region specific icons, I guess.
 
dave_sz
I wasn't saying all new cars will be premium. The majority of premium cars seem to be GT newcomers with a dash of nostalgia from a few region specific icons, I guess.
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I wasn't even responding to you, davey boy (didn't read your post).

But yes, as I just said it seems premiums cars are cars brand new to the series or brand new in real life.

If not that, then the car is important to history or simply has a timeless essence (a la older Camaros/Vettes from E3 2010.)
 
dave_sz
Why not Japanese cars? Most of the premium cars are new cars to the series with a few remakes of past cars from certain countries.
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'Cause it would seem the Japanese car makers are a little more stingy about their cars being destroyed. To get an example of "Premium" models you should check out the BLur Car lis as they focused only getting manufacturers that would allow their cars to be destroyed.

Granted, it would appear that PD might have gotten some special permissions to destroy certain cars, but, sitll...
 
SuperShouden
'Cause it would seem the Japanese car makers are a little more stingy about their cars being destroyed. To get an example of "Premium" models you should check out the BLur Car lis as they focused only getting manufacturers that would allow their cars to be destroyed.

Granted, it would appear that PD might have gotten some special permissions to destroy certain cars, but, sitll...
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So until now it was ferrari that didn't allow damage but since we know a lot of premium ferraris, japanese cars are now the damage un-friendlies?
We have all the supergt cars, we have the impreza and evo we have the asian cars from prologue.
At this point, it's safe to assume PD has control over which vehicles can or can't be destroyed, seeing as all cars can be damaged.
Also seeing how very friendly nissan and mitsubishi are with Kaz.
 
GT6, will most definitely be on PS3. I think in 2-3years it will be released.

SlipZtrEm
No. GT5 has been in devopment for half a decade, and they have 200 current-gen models to show for it. Had Kaz accepted a slightly lower level of quality for these models, more could've been done in this time, and we'd have less (or maybe even no) Standard cars.

His focus on graphic quality gave us this two-tier system. Yeah, it's an odd catch-22, but it makes sense. The good thing is my proposed sub-Premium suggestion might've meant they'd be outdated sooner. GT5's Premium cars look utterly fantastic, so they won't need any updates for the next game :)
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You are just guessing.

Premium car look great but if it was going to compromise the standard model so much they would rather have only premium. The decision was probably taken years back not in 6months or so. Last thing they want to hear that everyone complaining about the standard model in the game looking like a PS2 game. That will be embarrassing for them. Quality over quantity.
 
Race Cars are different. Unless they're specifically OWNED by the manufacturer, PD doesn't have to get permission from the manufacturer to use or destroy it. (Case in point: The Lamborghini Diablo race car was in GT3 because they didn't have to get permission from Volkswagen, who, however, complained about it, and it was subsequently removed from the game.)
 
gtracedriver
You are just guessing.

Premium car look great but if it was going to compromise the standard model so much they would rather have only premium. The decision was probably taken years back not in 6months or so. Last thing they want to hear that everyone complaining about the standard model in the game looking like a PS2 game. That will be embarrassing for them. Quality over quantity.
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I prefer to call it deductive reasoning.
When it looks like an enhanced gt4 model and sounds like an enhanced gt4 model, it's most likely and enhanced GT4 model. If there is any doubt in your mind, you're in denial.
 
dave_sz
I prefer to call it deductive reasoning.
When it looks like an enhanced gt4 model and sounds like an enhanced gt4 model, it's most likely and enhanced GT4 model. If there is any doubt in your mind, you're in denial.
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All games are enhanced version of their previous game.

They make a game engine and then improve on it. They do not make game engine all the time for every game ;)
 
Except PD tends to build their games from scratch and build a new engine and stuff for it. and it should be noted that:

GT1 - GT2 = 2 years

GT2 - GT3 = 2 years

GT3 - GT4 = 3 years

GT4 - GT5 = 5 years


Notice how, with every new system, it takes longer to make the game. GT3, you have to remember was really just a polished version of GT2 (originally called GT2000).
 
gtracedriver
All games are enhanced version of their previous game.

They make a game engine and then improve on it. They do not make game engine all the time for every game ;)
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Thy made a brand new engine, or was it just the physics engine, for GT5, they just borrowed old cars for it.
 
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