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[the Interceptor]

>>> google:

"Following the confusion arose around the news that Gran Turismo 5 will have two groups of cars: the Premium (which would have more interior view and level of detail) and standard, Sony has come his way clear that all cars have inner chamber, only that the Premium will be more detailed."


But is there a link to the sony site?

edit,

Has this been here always?

"The massive lineup of cars from past Gran Turismo games has been beautifully recreated through the latest technology and the Playstation 3’s cutting-edge graphics.

Gran Turismo 5 feature an astounding 800+ cars, a vast collection covering a wide range of eras and categories."

*Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.

Just asking, not meaning to troll or anything

Yep, the debate is over. And I am glad.

Yes, I am glad they cleared that.
Now the debate is really over.

No, I'm afraid the debate is not over. The added sentence on the official US-Gran Turismo website has been on the Japanese site from the beginning and hasn't stopped anyone from discussing whether standard cars will have a cockpit view or not.

Bear with me, here is a possible scenario:
Let's assume for the sake of the discussion that standard cars have a simply modeled, but functional dashboard. That is the only part of the interior however which was modeled by PD. So standard cars would support a "cockpit view", but not an "interior view". But how is that different, and why would anyone introduce these definitions? Well, since we are getting head tracking for GT5, they need to differentiate between "modeled dashboard" and "modeled interior" in order to decide whether a specific car will support head tracking. Only in cars with a fully-modeled interior, head tracking makes sense.

That said, given it will happen this way, premium cars will have a fully modeled interior and will support head tracking. Standard cars will have a modeled dashboard, will not support head tracking but will have a cockpit view. Yet, to distinguish them from the premium cars in terms of modeling amount, quality and the support of head tracking, PD would classify the standard cars as "not supporting a vehicle interior camera view". This scenario would also fit together with the sources claiming that standard cars will have an interior, but not as detailed as premium cars. Also, PD wouldn't want you to be able to look inside the cars in the replay to see partly-modeled interiors, so they tinted the windows.


Now, you may be thinking that it is a very thin straw I am grasping here. But I am not grasping a straw, because the above is not my personal opinion. It is merely a collection of what we know now and a way to interprete said knowledge. Interestingly, everything we can be certain of to this point fits this scenario. So maybe we won't have cockpits in the standard cars, maybe we will. My point however is that the discussion is not over yet, and it won't be until we get actual proper and unmistakable information from an official source.

 

[Scaff]

Any one notice that in that "sim" review they said gt5 would have 20 tracks? Cool..... gt4 had 40+ tracks and then..... 5 years later they parse it down to 20+. No way that is true right?

20 track locations with 70+ variations.

We have a thread on this already that goes into that particular discussion in detail.


Scaff

 

[Tenacious D]

You had such failures in Toca Race Driver 3. You could blew up your engine after a severe crash.

Yes, but these racing games only feature race cars, not production cars, like Gran Turismo and Forza. And with games such as these, with mixed car lists, wouldn't it be strange to have racing cars able to be totaled, but not street cars? I think they made the right choice, personally.

 

[analog]

In the sense that they are of the same family, you don't have much to do with your Great Grandfather either. Genetic similarities aside, you're supposed to be an improved model. Kind of like the modern boxer motors improved on VW's original idea. What happened?

As I've mentioned a few pages back, VW did not invent the boxer-engine.
It was invented and patented back in 1896 by Karl Benz so replace VW with Mercedes-Benz as the true inventors, not taking away the fact that VW popularized this engine-concept.

No, I'm afraid the debate is not over. The added sentence on the official US-Gran Turismo website has been on the Japanese site from the beginning and hasn't stopped anyone from discussing whether standard cars will have a cockpit view or not.

As much as I like to believe any theories which leave room for any sort of cockpit view ( not blackframes btw ) I think it's safer to assume for now they won't be in.
Regardless of interpretation possibilities ( in itself astounding they can't seem to be able to post clear messages ) the fact they finally put it on the US site as well indicates to me they wanted at least to clarify this issue ( or soften the final blow ).
Without this added line we still, wishful thinking perhaps, were able to "read between the lines" and although we can argue forever what constitutes interior view or views in thier opinion I think we should take it quite literal for now.
Cockpit and interior view are the same really ( in normal language use anyway ), we just assumed all the while interior could also refer to the inner structure of the car ( again wishful thinking perhaps ).
Hope I'm wrong ofcourse, but I'm tired of interpreting unneccesarily cryptic messages which only get our hopes up when it appears the writing is on the wall ( that's at least my "final" interpretation for now ).

 

[patriotzero]

Which car is this?

 

[hardvibes]

Which car is this?

Camaro SS 2010

 

[patriotzero]

I like that
Cockpit view camera is very close to steering wheel. It would be good to fall back to see side mirrors. Head Tracking is not useful while racing.it moves fast so we cant see whats going on behind or nearby us.

 

[the Interceptor]

As much as I like to believe any theories which leave room for any sort of cockpit view ( not blackframes btw ) I think it's safer to assume for now they won't be in.
Regardless of interpretation possibilities ( in itself astounding they can't seem to be able to post clear messages ) the fact they finally put it on the US site as well indicates to me they wanted at least to clarify this issue ( or soften the final blow ).
Without this added line we still, wishful thinking perhaps, were able to "read between the lines" and although we can argue forever what constitutes interior view or views in thier opinion I think we should take it quite literal for now.
Cockpit and interior view are the same really ( in normal language use anyway ), we just assumed all the while interior could also refer to the inner structure of the car ( again wishful thinking perhaps ).
Hope I'm wrong ofcourse, but I'm tired of interpreting unneccesarily cryptic messages which only get our hopes up when it appears the writing is on the wall ( that's at least my "final" interpretation for now ).

I absolutely respect your decision, and after all, I can only encourage everyone to make their own mind up about what we know so far and thus whether or not to expect an interior view. Since there are quite a lot of things pointing towards a "no", it is surely safer to assume that we won't get a cockpit view for standard cars.

Yet, I merely wanted to point out that the addition of the discussed sentence on the US-version of the GT-website does not effectively end the debate, because it didn't provide any information we haven't had before.

 

[mr_VOLCANO]

*shakes you back and forth* IT'S A 🤬 DEMO. It doesn't reflect the final product. They obviously haven't had demo yet that has featured the final and full damage model.

Holy crap, sometimes this community can be Facepalm City

You need to relax I know its not the final product smartass! Thats why I asked if there was any videos I have missed..

 

[Stevisiov]

I think in Mobil 1 Rally you could completely total your car. I loved that game!

I loved Mobil 1 Rally, just for the cars in it.

 

[scope72]

In regard to cockpit view and the sentence now on the official site. Personally, I do not see how anyone can think we will have cockpit view after reading that.

So, I guess I will be way more polite than I actually feel I should and say...

I will let other people have fun debating it, because I can move on now. Have fun holding on. 👍 But the conversation below should illustrate how I feel.

"By the way, I'm going to grab a drink later on if you want to go." --PD

"Wait, what kind of drink are you talking about? OJ? Water?" --GTP

"Dude, are you serious?" --PD

--GTP

 

[analog]

I absolutely respect your decision, and after all, I can only encourage everyone to make their own mind up about what we know so far and thus whether or not to expect an interior view. Since there are quite a lot of things pointing towards a "no", it is surely safer to assume that we won't get a cockpit view for standard cars.

Yet, I merely wanted to point out that the addition of the discussed sentence on the US-version of the GT-website does not effectively end the debate, because it didn't provide any information we haven't had before.

At this point I don't want to fully analyze the added info ( as it isn't very clear but nudging towards the negative I would say ) but the fact this info was added ( not what it really means ) is probably more significant.
The discussion or debate doesn't end ofcourse and we can only hope ( idle hope probably ) this is just another miscommunication as always.
I'm just preparing myself for the fact GT5 isn't gonna be the experience I was counting on leading up to E3 ( not saying I won't buy it or enjoy it, just expecting more ).
Whatever the reasons may be for this compromise, I ( and many others ) took this feature ( as it is a feature, apart from the graphical debate ) for granted on all future GT's since Prologue.
Assuming is always riskful, but at least to me it seemed a logical assumption.

 

[D.Pritchard]

As I've mentioned a few pages back, VW did not invent the boxer-engine.
It was invented and patented back in 1896 by Karl Benz so replace VW with Mercedes-Benz as the true inventors, not taking away the fact that VW popularized this engine-concept.

Thank you for the correction. I had a feeling that my information was off but not quite sure which way to go in order to correct it. The boxer engine has been around for quite some time, and has only now been coming into it's own with Subaru making it affordable performance.

 

[analog]

Thank you for the correction. I had a feeling that my information was off but not quite sure which way to go in order to correct it. The boxer engine has been around for quite some time, and has only now been coming into it's own with Subaru making it affordable performance.

Well, I wouldn't claim the boxer engine coming into its own since Subaru made it an affordable performance option.
It has offered affordable performance since the Alfa Romeo Sud Ti and even long before that I guess ( Lancia Flavia springs to mind ).
Porsche is probably the one company most associated with boxer performance but admittingly less affordable.
Apart from having most ( or all ) cars only available as boxer, the main new element Subaru has added to the boxer engine history has been the recent development of a diesel-boxer.

 

[chepe371]

"By the way, I'm going to grab a drink later on if you want to go." --PD

"Wait, what kind of drink are you talking about? OJ? Water?" --GTP

"Dude, are you serious?" --PD

--GTP

Without this Anal attention to detail, where would we be? Where would PD be? Why are they so secretive, cuz they know were NOSY and inquisitive, so if they dont want to show all their cards, they have to keep em tight. Cuz we got eyes all over.

 

[SuperShouden]

*Standard cars do not support vehicle interior camera views.

That's MORE confusing than the google translation of the Japanese text. That could mean that the standard cars don't have engines or it could mean they don't have cockpits. I wish they would give us a straight, clear answer.

 

[Melfice7]

"interior CAMERA VIEW" seems pretty clear

 

[SuperShouden]

not really. 'cause it could still refer to the engine bay. I wish they'd have a complete list of what the Standard and Premium cars have...like this:

Premium:
- highly detailed interiors
- high beams and low beams
- Performance Damage
- Dirt, scratches and dents
- Dislodging/deformation of Body Panels

Standard:
- Interior model unknown, but possibly none
- Standard highlights only
- Performance Damage
- Dirt, scratches and dents
- no dislodging/deformation of body panels

 

[eSZee]

The engine bay isn't a camera view. People got the engine bay confused with interior view before, not sure why, and it seems now complete denial is kicking in.
The way they worded it in on the US site is pretty clear. That being said, I still don't trust it til I see it for myself.

 

[SuperShouden]

It might just mean that some cars don't have interiors. Like the GT-R Prototype in Prologue which didn't have an interior to model. Other cars could have simply been too hard to track down to have they're interiors modeled.

 

[eSZee]

It might just mean that some cars don't have interiors. Like the GT-R Prototype in Prologue which didn't have an interior to model. Other cars could have simply been too hard to track down to have they're interiors modeled.

Then it would say some cars. It said STANDARD CARS.

 

[SuperShouden]

Yeah...it could also mean that the Premium model doesn't apply to standard cars....but then again, I'm a bit in denial.

 

[scope72]

Sorry SuperShouden
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[Akira AC]

It also could mean marketing strategy:

"we sold them a game with 200 interior design cars and then we throw the bomb and say that all cars will have cockpits,we design only dashboard for 800 and no back seats or other details, don't get into trouble of detail in those,then say all cars 1000 cars with cockpits,we sell they game by millions and no one will argue about the low detail cockpits"

being optimistic but it had happen several times,like halo reach for example,no new info,beta and everything and now it has space battles

 

[SuperShouden]

well....I think i'm with dave on this one: I won't believe it until I see it.

 

[sparkedglory]

well....I think i'm with dave on this one: I won't believe it until I see it.

Bam! Right there people! It's over! This endless discussion is over!

 

[phosphor112]

Bout time. I'll take those 800 cars regardless, do I wish they did have cockpits? Of course! Will I take them anyway? YES!

I can't wait for this game to release.

 

[Lucas]

"interior CAMERA VIEW" seems pretty clear

The engine bay isn't a camera view. People got the engine bay confused with interior view before, not sure why, and it seems now complete denial is kicking in.
The way they worded it in on the US site is pretty clear. That being said, I still don't trust it til I see it for myself.

These. One thing is to be able to see the interior of the car. But how's that a camera view, if it is referring to the engine bay, etc? It makes perfect sense if it refers to the cockpit, though. And I don't know you guys, but I have always related the interior of a car with this.

Like dave_sz, I won't trust it until I see it for myself. That doesn't mean, however, that I have doubts regarding what "interior camera view" means.

 

[sparkedglory]

These. One thing is to be able to see the interior of the car. But how's that a camera view, if it is referring to the engine bay, etc? It makes perfect sense if it refers to the cockpit, though. And I don't know you guys, but I have always related the interior of a car with this.

Like dave_sz, I won't trust it until I see it for myself. That doesn't mean, however, that I have doubts regarding what "interior camera view" means.

Just when I thought it was over. Oh well.

 

[FishforRent]

I'm done with the whole "cockpit view does not equal interior view" nonsense.... I drank the punch and now I'm hungover and sick to my stomach.

BUT, what now about face-tracking with the standard models. Or more precisely, face-tracking with bumper/hood view??

I'm trying not to get enticed by this feature for fear of it being too much PR and not enough substance. I hope to see some vids that illustrate face-tracking from the bump/hood cam for both models (premium / standard) since that is the view I prefer. It better still be an option......or I may.......do nothing about it.