GT5 Master Car List (NOT a wishlist - Please read first post)

[Strittan]

I think the "Tuned" cars from GTHD and GT5P gave an example of the level of customization that'll be available in GT5. Hence the tag of "Tuned"

Exactly. I don't think they should be counted as different cars from the untuned versions.

 

[finnracer]

And the tag 'tuned' (I assume!) will be added to your car name if it has been tuned either mechanicly or visually as a way to notify other players for instance in an online game.

 

[SuperShouden]

That could be. Kinda like the [R] symbol for the Racing Modified cars in GT1 and 2. I assume they're doing that so no one can buy like a stock Dodge Ram or something, tune it up and then challenge people online with their "stock" vehicle.

 

[Rob192005]

What would be the point of having them in the full game if we have customisation anyways?

True,But we've seen cars tuned by Gran Turismo in previous games aswell.

 

[SuperShouden]

True,But we've seen cars tuned by Gran Turismo in previous games aswell.

Kinda. The thing with the ones in GT4 and things are they're either real life one-off cars (like the Nissan 350Z GT4 Edition) or fictional race cars (Like the Impreza LM Edition). The tuned cars in GTHD and GT5P are different and just seem like they're Sony going "Hey, look what you'll be able to do in GT5."

BTW, I think the best showing of the level of customization in GT5 are the Suzuki Capaccino with it's body kit and the Dodge Viper with a Carbon fiber hood, new rims, tires, front and rear spoilers, window stickers, ride height change and several other things.

 

[Rob192005]

Yes but at the end of the day their still as you said fictional race cars,sure I have no problem with their inclusion but only if its not to bump up the the car count.

 

[SuperShouden]

Right. I never actually use them anyway. The best one was the FTO LM car and I think that one's actually based on a real car.

 

[Dan_]

Well, I use the tuned cars eventually, and they're a quite nice addition to the game, but can't be counted as unique models, since they're just modified versions.

I'm really looking forward to the Tuned Tuscan, though.

Also, a little question, some months ago, Kaz stated they were working on the LFA, is there any confirmation of it in the game? He said the HSV is likely to be absent from the game, due to time restrictions, so the same might happen to the LFA.

 

[Rob192005]

Right. I never actually use them anyway. The best one was the FTO LM car and I think that one's actually based on a real car.

I won that in GT4 only yesterday, I still can't belive its 4WD..

And also ya that black Tuscan looked amazing.

 

[fasj6418]

Exactly. I don't think they should be counted as different cars from the untuned versions.

Shouldn´t, but as some others have already pointed out, they do. Ever since GT1 clone cars were counted as different cars. It was the case with the different liveries on JGTC cars, and also with tuned ones.

The official car list for Prologue already counted the tuned ones as different versions.

The number of cars in GT games have to be big because they use up a lot of clones. If i remember, GT4 had 719 cars (NA version) and only 350 of those were unique models. The others were just different engines, paintjobs, American/japanese versions, etc...

That 350 figure is for cars with a different moddeling. I expect to see 450 to 500 unique models on GT5 and the rest to be filled with clones/different trims.

 

[Rob192005]

Sounds about right I hope its closer to 600 though.

 

[SuperShouden]

Well, I use the tuned cars eventually, and they're a quite nice addition to the game, but can't be counted as unique models, since they're just modified versions.

I'm really looking forward to the Tuned Tuscan, though.

Also, a little question, some months ago, Kaz stated they were working on the LFA, is there any confirmation of it in the game? He said the HSV is likely to be absent from the game, due to time restrictions, so the same might happen to the LFA.

I think the LFA has, indeed been spotted in the game. but I'm not sure. perhaps if you look at the first post you'll be able to see if it is or not.

 

[Antti-san]

Shouldn´t, but as some others have already pointed out, they do. Ever since GT1 clone cars were counted as different cars. It was the case with the different liveries on JGTC cars, and also with tuned ones.

You have to remember that most, if not all the [R] cars from GT1 and GT2 actually used real racing liveries - quite different from the fictional tuned cars we got in Prologue.

 

[fasj6418]

I think the LFA has, indeed been spotted in the game. but I'm not sure. perhaps if you look at the first post you'll be able to see if it is or not.

Weren´t these quotes from Yamauchi back when they expected to ship the game in march? i´m pretty sure they were, so i believe they had plenty of time for the HSV and the LF-A.

Those two cars:

 

[Strittan]

Shouldn´t, but as some others have already pointed out, they do. Ever since GT1 clone cars were counted as different cars. It was the case with the different liveries on JGTC cars, and also with tuned ones.

The official car list for Prologue already counted the tuned ones as different versions.

The thing is though, that the tuned cars in GT5P will probably not even be in GT5, as we will then have to tune them on our own. I think they were nothing more than a tease of what we will be able to do with the cars in GT5, but that's just what I think.

 

[fasj6418]

You have to remember that most, if not all the [R] cars from GT1 and GT2 actually had real racing liveries - quite different from the fictional tuned cars we got in Prologue.

No, wasn´t about GT1 or 2 cars, because that was not the case.

Example:

Toyota Supra ´97 - 1 car
Toyota Supra´97 (R) - same car, the modification didn´t change this

Toyota Castrol Supra ´96 (R) 1 car (that was already counted as a different car.

What i mean by clones is this:

Nissan R34 V-spec nur
Nissan R34 V-spec nur midnight purple

Counted as separate cars in GT4, or

Pennzoil Nismo Skyline ´99
Zexel Skyline ´99
Calsonic Skyline ´99

Counted as different cars, when all they had different was the paintjob.

That why i think those special version in Prologue will be counted as different cars.

They had a pace car skyline on GT4, a Gran Turismo 350z... i mean the list goes on and on. You can debate their differences, but to me it always was an easy way to up the car count without actually having to model a different chassis.

I know the logic. i know tuned cars are just tuned cars, but GT has never followed any logic when counting cars.

Final example:

When we buy a car, we can press left or right to choose the color... and it´s the same car. If they had logic you should do the same for those spec cars.

Skyline JGTC ´99 and then selecting left or right to pick the different liveries.

Clones will always be there, that why we got a huge number and can´t complain about the lack of models.👍

 

[SuperShouden]

I don't think you can count the race cars as "clones" considering that they're based on real race cars and are probably tuned very differently by each team. Like, I'm sure the Pennzoil Skyline doesn't handle the same as the Calsonic Skyline.

 

[fasj6418]

The thing is though, that the tuned cars in GT5P will probably not even be in GT5, as we will then have to tune them on our own. I think they were nothing more than a tease of what we will be able to do with the cars in GT5, but that's just what I think.

I would love for you to be right on this one, but i´m not expecting this. "Concept by GT" was even a separate dealership in Prologue. Heck i think we will even see "Nissan 370z GT Academy edition" as a different car.

You might think it´s bogus, but i´ve seen worse (the Lutecias and Clios on GT PSP for me were a terrible way to "increase" the car count).

 

[Fido_le_muet]

When we buy a car, we can press left or right to choose the color... and it´s the same car. If they had logic you should do the same for those spec cars.

Not gonna happen but I would love that !!!

Of course it would reduce the car count by almost 1/3 but well...

 

[fasj6418]

I don't think you can count the race cars as "clones" considering that they're based on real race cars and are probably tuned very differently by each team. Like, I'm sure the Pennzoil Skyline doesn't handle the same as the Calsonic Skyline.

Yes they do. No offense, but go back to GT4 and test then. Back in the day i participated on two GTP JGTC championships, and we´ve done a lot of testing.

They are exactly the same (cars from the same year). They had different performances if they were from different years. A ´99 JGTC Skyline was much, much different than the JGTC Skyline ´00.

But on the example i gave, same car. Same size, sound, handling, bodywork, everything was the same except the color. Only case that comes to my mind is on GT2, when the Unisia Jecs R33 ´97 was clearly better than the Kure R33 and the Arta Zexel R33, but that was because the Unisia Jecs had more HP than the other two. (I guess KY just liked that paint scheme more).

This discussion actually reminded me of a different example. The F2007 on Prologue has both Massa´s car and Raikkonen´s, and they count as one model (just select the color on the car).

So maybe, a bit of hope on that front.

 

[SuperShouden]

Maybe in GT4 they handled the same, but in real life it's probably a different story. Besides, some of those race cars have different body kits on them. And for some cars in GT4, they did let you select the colors. Look at the Pescarolo and the Audi R8 Race cars.

 

[Strittan]

I would love for you to be right on this one, but i´m not expecting this. "Concept by GT" was even a separate dealership in Prologue. Heck i think we will even see "Nissan 370z GT Academy edition" as a different car.

Yes, they had to put them into some kind of dealership, so why not call it "Concept by GT"? Oh well, nevermind, we'll just have to wait and see.

And yes, I know they've used terrible ways of increasing the car count before. I just hope they know better this time around.

 

[Antti-san]

I'd still count the racing cars separately if they are from different teams, even if PD hasn't simulated their performance differences. Like the F2007, the Pescarolo C60/Judd in GT4 had two liveries available, but it was counted as a single car because it was from the same team. Now, if there were two versions of exactly the same car, with only a different market name (Mazda Miata/MX-5), I'd call that as cloning.

Well, at least that's the way I see it.

 

[alucard0712]

I think the "Tuned" cars from GTHD and GT5P gave an example of the level of customization that'll be available in GT5. Hence the tag of "Tuned"

What he said! 👍

 

[eSZee]

I don't think you can count the race cars as "clones" considering that they're based on real race cars and are probably tuned very differently by each team. Like, I'm sure the Pennzoil Skyline doesn't handle the same as the Calsonic Skyline.

No. All the current supergt GTRs for example are Nissan produced cars and the teams just put their liveries on them and tweaked the suspension to their driver's liking.. The inside might be a bit different but the cars are basically the same.

 

[SuperShouden]

Like the Camaros and Mustangs in Grand Am are "factory produced?" Factory produced and factory tuned are two completely different things. I can guarantee you say jumped in the Mobil 1 NSX and drove a few laps and then jumped in the Raybrig NSX, you'd be able to tell the difference between them quite easily 'cause they've been setup differently by the teams. Each driver has a different way of driving, and so each car would be setup to the driver's liking. And if there's multiple drivers on a team, it'd be a happy medium or tuned to whoever's going to do the most driving.

 

[eSZee]

I'm pretty sure I said all that. All you can change is pretty much suspension.

 

[Strittan]

Not sure if race cars are factory produced. A Super GT Nissan GT-R for example, I'd say is not produced by Nissan themselves, but by the Nissan dedicated tuning company, Nismo. That's what I think anyway.

EDIT: Just as Mugen and TRD makes Honda and Toyota race cars.

 

[SuperShouden]

Depends on the rules. Sometimes they can change the gear ratios, downforce and a bunch of other stuff. But, the same thing is true for just about any car. Even the Prototypes change pretty much only the suspension.

 

[eSZee]

Not sure if race cars are factory produced. A Super GT Nissan GT-R for example, I'd say is not produced by Nissan themselves, but by the Nissan dedicated tuning company, Nismo. That's what I think anyway.

Yes its made by nismo, but that doesn't change the fact that all the cars are made by nismo, and to SUPERGT specs.