GT5 Master Car List (NOT a wishlist - Please read first post)

[Famine]

Wow. If you really think that comment is off topic. Whatever. The opinion is that the look doesn't matter. That is on topic. The look doesn't matter.

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I recognise all the words but, somehow, you've managed to fashion them together into complete nonsense.

The fact that Porsches can out-accelerate a Ford Fiesta is not a rebuttal of the notion that they are boring. It is not relevant to the notion that they are boring. It is unconnected to the notion that they are boring. I asked the person who chose to make that point why they think it's relevant. I didn't ask you, for quite obvious reasons. I'm still not asking you, for the same obvious reasons. What you think, since you can't follow the quite simple chain that "People think Porsches are boring != people think Porsches are slow" and couldn't grasp two attempts to get it through to you that Porsche are not Italian, couldn't possibly matter less. You weren't the person that brought it up and I have no idea why you insist on interpreting for them (despite speaking a language which is quite your own construction).

 

[Goshin2568]

Again,
It would be like if the topic was "Will you be able to make out the individual leaves on the trees in GT5" And then someone cam on and said the leaves don't matter, the trees will still look good. That's not off topic.

Likewise, if people are saying Porsches look boring, and someone says the look dosen't matter, because they are fast. That is not off topic!

It is relevent to the notion that they are boring, because the point is that being boring is irrelevent. That's all. The fact that you try to make fun of my typing skills does not help your argument at all. Also, making fun of the fact the I claimed Porsches were Italian is also childish and unnessecery due to this post:

OOOOOOOHHHHHHH. I feel so stupid. I was thinking Maserati.... Haha that's right porsche is german. Ya ok.

The first part of your last post consisted of an argument that was the same as before. Did you even read my last post? The second half was trying to insult me with material that has no relevence to the disscussion on hand.

 

[eSZee]

Except... get this... it's not relevant to how they look. Hence the question "why is that relevant?".


If you don't mind, I'm sure he'd like to answer for himself rather than have someone who thinks Porsche are Italian interpret for him.

I thought mods and admins are supposed to make an example and keep things in line, not attack normal members.

 

[Famine]

Again,
It would be like if the topic was "Will you be able to make out the individual leaves on the trees in GT5" And then someone cam on and said the leaves don't matter, the trees will still look good. That's not off topic.

Likewise, if people are saying Porsches look boring, and someone says the look dosen't matter, because they are fast. That is not off topic!

Again, you're talking about "off topic" for no reason at all.

The first part of your last post consisted of an argument that was the same as before. Did you even read my last post? The second half was trying to insult me with material that has no relevence to the disscussion on hand.

You edited everything bar the first line in after I posted. Check the timestamps. And I wasn't attempting to insult you - I was pointing out that I wasn't asking you anything and wouldn't.

The fact that you try to make fun of my typing skills does not help your argument at all. Also, making fun of the fact the I claimed Porsches were Italian is also childish and unnessecery due to this post:

I'm not making fun of your "typing skills". I'm pointing out that you are apparently incapable of grasping very simple concepts. Like the concept that I'm not asking you to justify why Porsche performance is in any way relevant to people's perception of them because you weren't the person who brought it up nor the person to whom the original question was addressed.

It is relevent to the notion that they are boring, because the point is that being boring is irrelevent. That's all.

Seriously... what are you talking about?

Some people remarked that they're not bothered about Porsche because they find them quite boring. Some other people said that they're fast. I'm asking one of those people why them being fast can be considered a rebuttal of the opinion that they're boring.

I'm not asking you. You didn't bring it up and your answers don't make any sense anyway.

I thought mods and admins are supposed to make an example and keep things in line, not attack normal members.

If you think I've broken the AUP, report me.

I'm after an answer from someone who made a point. I'm not after an answer from someone who thinks they can talk for them.

 

[eSZee]

]If you think I've broken the AUP, report me.

I'm saying you shouldn't stoop down to the level of those who get reported.
Reporting you would just make my life on GTP that much harder.

 

[Goshin2568]

Again, you're talking about "off topic" for no reason at all.

When I say off topic, I meant it's relevence to the fact that Porsches are boring.

You edited everything bar the first line in after I posted. Check the timestamps. And I wasn't attempting to insult you - I was pointing out that I wasn't asking you anything and wouldn't.

Sorry, I didn't realize that.

I'm not making fun of your "typing skills". I'm pointing out that you are apparently incapable of grasping very simple concepts. Like the concept that I'm not asking you to justify why Porsche performance is in any way relevant to people's perception of them because you weren't the person who brought it up nor the person to whom the original question was addressed.

Well, the reason for that is I share the same opinion. I think that no matter how 'boring' it looks, its still a good, fast car that is worth driving.

Seriously... what are you talking about?

Some people remarked that they're not bothered about Porsche because they find them quite boring. Some other people said that they're fast. I'm asking one of those people why them being fast can be considered a rebuttal of the opinion that they're boring.

I'm not asking you. You didn't bring it up and your answers don't make any sense anyway.

All that I was trying to say there is that saying "Being boring does not matter, because they are fast" is a rebuttal of the opinion that they're boring.

 

[eSZee]

When I say off topic, I meant it's relevence to the fact that Porsches are boring.

You really did introduce yourself to an argument that wasn't yours. That's all Famine is saying. Sharing the same viewpoint doesn't give you the right to answer questions that no one is asking YOU.

 

[Goshin2568]

Ok, I apolagize. I do think though, that if he wants to ask a specific question to a single person, and will be pissed if anyone else answers, he either needs to clarify that in his post, or settle it via PM. It is a public forum, after all.

 

[SuperShouden]

But boring does matter. I mean, If I had the money to buy a Porsche, I probably wouldn't simply because it's boring to look at. I'd probably, like the Top Gear boys, just buy and Aston Martin or a Ferrari or something that's not as boring to look at.

 

[Goshin2568]

Ok, but if someone offered you a Porsche vs say... a Honda Civic.. You wouldn't turn it down because it 'boring' compared to an Aston or a Ferrari.

 

[Famine]

I'm saying you shouldn't stoop down to the level of those who get reported.

I've been reported many times.

Reporting you would just make my life on GTP that much harder.

Why?

If I've broken the AUP and you report it, you're doing the job of a responsible member. It's only if I haven't broken the AUP and you report it that there may be problems.

When I say off topic, I meant it's relevence to the topic.

And the topic is "GT5 Master Car List (NOT a wishlist - Please read first post)". Porsche are not in GT5 at this point.

Well, the reason for that is I share the same opinion. I think that no matter how 'boring' it looks, its still a good, fast car that is worth driving.

That's smashing.

All that I was trying to say there is that saying "Being boring does not matter" is a "rebuttal of the opinion that they're boring".

Not really. That's a contra-opinion - an opinion which differs and carries the same weight. Subjective, not objective.

The point posted was that Porsches accelerate faster than a Ford Fiesta so they can't be boring. I cannot see why "Porsches accelerate faster than a Ford Fiesta" means "Porsches can't be boring" - that notion leads down the road that the faster a car accelerates, the less boring it is, which would make a Mk1 MX-5/Miata/Eunos Roadster a more boring car than a diesel Honda Accord (which is obviously not true).

Since you didn't offer this point, it is not down to you to defend it.

 

[Goshin2568]

Ok, I'm sorry. But this is still my opinion.

Ok, I apolagize. I do think though, that if he wants to ask a specific question to a single person, and will be pissed if anyone else answers, he either needs to clarify that in his post, or settle it via PM. It is a public forum, after all.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I think the real question is:

"Can you truly seperate the form from the function?"

The two are so tightly interwovine it is practically impossible to do so.

A car is not a statue, but a machine, and the two are inseperable.

When one gazes upon the form, the function stands with it along with the heritage and pedigree.

Hence, can a Porsche, truly be boring?

 

[analog]

OMG, the offspring from Translator-San have finally joined this forum.

 

[Goshin2568]

Not really. That's a contra-opinion - an opinion which differs and carries the same weight. Subjective, not objective.

The point posted was that Porsches accelerate faster than a Ford Fiesta so they can't be boring. I cannot see why "Porsches accelerate faster than a Ford Fiesta" means "Porsches can't be boring" - that notion leads down the road that the faster a car accelerates, the less boring it is, which would make a Mk1 MX-5/Miata/Eunos Roadster a more boring car than a diesel Honda Accord (which is obviously not true).

You can argue specifics all day, but If someone said "Are Porsches boring?" and I answered "It dosent matter." Im still answering the question.

 

[SuperShouden]

Ok, but if someone offered you a Porsche vs say... a Honda Civic.. You wouldn't turn it down because it 'boring' compared to an Aston or a Ferrari.

Well, of course I'd pick the Porsche over the Civic. But only because the Civic is more boring than the Porsche. Actually, that depends. If someone offered me a choice between one of the new Civics or a Porsche, I'd probably go with the Civic. However, if it was a 1990's civic, then I'd pick the Porsche.

 

[Goshin2568]

Even with the major performance differences? Is the looks all you care about?

 

[Famine]

You can argue specifics all day, but If someone said "Are Porsches boring?" and I answered "It dosent matter." Im still answering the question.

And yet what I asked was "Whose Fiesta and why is it relevant?".

You may have answered a question, but you've answered a different one and one posed to someone else. You're more than welcome to defend the point that accelerating faster means a car is less boring (good luck), but since you didn't pose that point it is not beholden on you to do so.

Even with the major performance differences? Is the looks all you care about?

Honda Civic Type-R (EP) - 0-60mph in 6.4s, top speed of 146mph
Porsche 928 - 0-60mph in 7.2s, top speed of 142mph

"Major" performance differences?

 

[eSZee]

Well, of course I'd pick the Porsche over the Civic. But only because the Civic is more boring than the Porsche. Actually, that depends. If someone offered me a choice between one of the new Civics or a Porsche, I'd probably go with the Civic. However, if it was a 1990's civic, then I'd pick the Porsche.

You might be one of the few people who would pick a new civic over the old one let alone a civic over any porsche.
The smart man, who doesn't like porsche, would still pick the porsche and sell it.

 

[SuperShouden]

Even with the major performance differences? Is the looks all you care about?

Well, the thing is, the New Civics aren't too shabby in the performance era. And they look WAY better than a Porsche. I mean, if I parked a Porsche in my driveway, it wouldn't get much attention. But if I parked a new Civic in there, I'd at least get attention from Environmentalists, if nothing else.

@dave, Depends on the civic. But you're right. I'd probably just take the Porsche, sell it and buy a much cooler car....Like the Dasia Sandero...just kidding.

 

[Goshin2568]

And yet that statement answered your question. (I am going to try my hardest to make this make sense.)
"Whose Fiesta and why is it relevent?"

It is relevent because It answers the topic question. The current topic of disscussion was whether or not Porsches are boring. So, everyone posting can give their opinion on whether or not Porsches are boring or not. They can answer
Yes, they are boring
No, they are not boring
I don't care
OR It dosen't matter.

So..... (is this making sense?) It is relevent because "It dosen't matter" is an opinion about the topic, which is 'Are Porsches Boring'

Did that make sense?




@ SuperShouden
Wow. Where do you live lol??? If I saw a civic I wouldn't even notice... I see Civic's every day. But if I saw a Porsche, I would make a big deal and alert everyone in the car that someone near us was driving a supercar.

 

[eSZee]

@dave, Depends on the civic. But you're right. I'd probably just take the Porsche, sell it and buy a much cooler car....Like the Dasia Sandero...just kidding.

Dacia Sandero

New civics are meh. Their looks seem to be getting worse and worse with each generation. I'd pick an EG hatch over one and maybe that's why I bought a Fit.

 

[Famine]

Did that make sense?

No.

The question, still, was why "A Porsche can accelerate quicker than a Fiesta" is relevant to "Porsche is boring". You're welcome to give your opinion whether Porsche is boring or not, but it doesn't answer the question and, since you didn't opine that lack of acceleration begets boredom, it doesn't matter whether you answer the question of not.

If you wish to answer the question by defending the phrase "Porsches accelerate faster than a Ford Fiesta so Porsches can't be boring", go ahead, I wish you luck. However it's not your responsibility to do so.

But if I saw a Porsche, I would make a big deal and alert everyone in the car that someone near us was driving a supercar.

Not all Porsches are supercars. The 924 and 928 in particular would struggle against an E46 BMW 325. The early 986 (Boxster) with the 2.5 would be spanked into the weeds by a Civic Type-R or a Renaultsport Clio 182.

 

[Goshin2568]

I don't care id it accelerates faster than anything!!! All I'm saying is that "IT DOSENT MATTER IF THEY ARE BORING' is relevent to "Porsche is boring'

It's a really simple point that shoudn't take this long to convey.

 

[analog]

You might be one of the few people who would pick a new civic over the old one let alone a civic over any porsche.
The smart man, who doesn't like porsche, would still pick the porsche and sell it.

Agree on picking the Porsche only for the value, but I'd pick the new Civic ( the one sold in Europe, pictured below ) over any previous Civic.
This isn't a wishlist, but since this thread is going extermely off-topic, this might be an opportunity to get back on track.
I think it's safe to assume this one ( or at least the Type-R version ) will make its way into GT5.

To my eyes at least the best looking Civic ever ( far better than the "boring" saloon version sold in the US ).

 

[Famine]

I don't care id it accelerates faster than anything!!! All I'm saying is that "IT DOSENT MATTER IF THEY ARE BORING' is relevent to "Porsche is boring'

Which is swell. But you chose to make this an answer to my requesting justification that a Porsche can't be boring if it outaccelerates a Ford Fiesta.

It's a really simple point that shoudn't take this long to convey.

As I have been pointing out to you for some time now.

You quoted my question "Whose Ford Fiesta and why is it relevant?" and responded with an answer to a wholly different question that I hadn't asked. The only way you can answer the question you quoted is with either a justification that Porsches can't be boring if they outaccelerate Fiestas or an agreement that it is indeed not a relevant point. Or "I don't know", but that would be amusingly worthless.

 

[Goshin2568]

Haha the problem I have with a Civic, is it needs to make up it's mind. It's like a bad cross between a sedan and a hatchback. IMO it makes it look retarded.

 

[SuperShouden]

@ SuperShouden
Wow. Where do you live lol??? If I saw a civic I wouldn't even notice... I see Civic's every day. But if I saw a Porsche, I would make a big deal and alert everyone in the car that someone near us was driving a supercar.

I've seen far too many Porsches to give them even a moment's glance. Where I live, there are MUCH more exciting cars. I've seen several old muscle cars, and Audi R8, a Tesla Roadster, a very Challengers (one in a beautiful blue) and a couple new Camaros among other things. Porsches aren't even worth the time of day.

 

[Goshin2568]

Which is swell. But you chose to make this an answer to my requesting justification that a Porsche can't be boring if it outaccelerates a Ford Fiesta.



As I have been pointing out to you for some time now.

You quoted my question "Whose Ford Fiesta and why is it relevant?" and responded with an answer to a wholly different question that I hadn't asked. The only way you can answer the question you quoted is with either a justification that Porsches can't be boring if they outaccelerate Fiestas or an agreement that it is indeed not a relevant point. Or "I don't know", but that would be amusingly worthless.

...
It is relevent because it is an opinion. Like I tried earlier to say, if you are asked the question 'Are Porsches boring?' There are a number of ways you can respond.

1.No, they are not boring
2.Yes, they are boring
3.I don't care if they are boring, because they are fast.

It answers the question, so it is relevent. Maybe the fact is, he would buy a Porsche regardless of it's looks, just so that it would be faster than a Fiesta. Either way, it's his opinion, so it's relevent.

Please, if you could not understand that, that is not my problem, I wrote in about 3rd grade reading level, and in perfectly clear english.

 

[eSZee]

i've seen far too many porsches to give them even a moment's glance. Where i live, there are much more exciting cars. I've seen several old muscle cars, and audi r8, a tesla roadster, a very challengers (one in a beautiful blue) and a couple new camaros among other things. Porsches aren't even worth the time of day.

eeeeeeeeek.