GT5 Master Car List

[Spagetti69]

As for Suzuka rain and dry, weather is going to play such a momentous role in GT5 that you couldn't possibly say they were the same track.

Wow my F1 game just went from 19 tracks to 38.
Thanks mate.

Edit scratch that. There's intermediate too a drying track that's another 19.
Oh and rubbered and green versions of the dry track that's worth another 19.


Wow 76 tracks. Codemasters seriously understated themselves when they said 19 tracks, fools.

 

[Imari]

It sounds like people are getting a bit caught up in Polyphony's marketing hype.

If they're going to be including multiples of the same model of car, then they need to be reasonable about it. If it has significant mechanical differences (and I'm willing to be generous with the definition of significant) then it's a reasonable addition. If it's a car that's mechanically identical but has a different name/paint job/whatever, then that's just padding.

The same applies to tracks. If it's a different layout, no problem. Think Suzuka and Suzuka East, different tracks. If it's the same track with weather added, not so much. Otherwise as Spagetti69 points out F1 2010 is by far the most full featured game in terms of tracks.

 

[appplezz101]

where is the aston dbs seriously that is one of the all time bestest cars. out of 1031 cars the dbs isnt one of them ftw

 

[arsenal123gunne]

How many cars are available for racing in arcade mode?

 

[SuperShouden]

I'm loving the Track Day Cars. I mean...

Viper ACR
Ferrari F430 Scuderia
Lambo Murcielago SV
Lexus IS-F Racing Concept
Lotus Motorsport Elise


And there are several others. Can't wait to take these out for actual Track Days. 👍

 

[eSZee]

Did anyone notice that in one of the recent videos, the used altezza RS200 descriptions says that the car was sold as an IS200 in the US. Now, this is the 1998 model and the US didn't get an IS til 2001 and it was an IS300.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

It sounds like people are getting a bit caught up in Polyphony's marketing hype.

If they're going to be including multiples of the same model of car, then they need to be reasonable about it. If it has significant mechanical differences (and I'm willing to be generous with the definition of significant) then it's a reasonable addition. If it's a car that's mechanically identical but has a different name/paint job/whatever, then that's just padding.

The same applies to tracks. If it's a different layout, no problem. Think Suzuka and Suzuka East, different tracks. If it's the same track with weather added, not so much. Otherwise as Spagetti69 points out F1 2010 is by far the most full featured game in terms of tracks.

My point exactly. The very existance of the cars and tracks has nothing to do with it, I just feel they have to tone down how they market things. Suzuka dry and wet is the same track, period. A´95 Mazda Miata and´95 Mazda MX-5 is the same car aswell. Just like a Vauxhall VX220 is the same as an Opel Speedster and a R34 Skyline GT-R in midnight purple is not another car when the exact same model exists in other colors etc. It´s like saying that 6 has different value to 6.
The way I see it PD pulls our legs unintentionally, and that annoys me big time.

 

[Famine]

A´95 Mazda Miata and´95 Mazda MX-5

Then it'll be a laugh watching you get in the left side of a Eunos Roadster and trying to drive it.

The way I see it PD pulls our legs unintentionally, and that annoys me big time.

How? The GT5 standard car list is almost identical to the GTPSP car list. We knew that over a year ago. The GTPSP car list features versions of cars sold in different regions under different names - as originally featured in the different regions' versions of GT4 - so that people could buy their home region car as they had in GT4 and race them online in GTPSP. We knew that over a year ago too. None of this should have come as a surprise to anyone.

 

[NavS]

What does RM stand for?

Edit: I see no car has RM listed here... well it was on the official website for gran turismo... if you look at some premium cars for example the Lexus IS F there's an RM version...

 

[finnracer]

What does RM stand for?

Edit: I see no car has RM listed here... well it was on the official website for gran turismo... if you look at some premium cars for example the Lexus IS F there's an RM version...

Race Mod - they are the cars that can be race modded.

 

[Imari]

We knew that over a year ago too. None of this should have come as a surprise to anyone.

It's not a surprise. It is somewhat dishonest on the part of Sony and PD as it assumes additional knowledge that the customer may or may not have. You'd expect most people around these parts to be familiar, but that's not true of your average Joe. If you tell a random person a thousand cars they would be rightly justified in assuming a thousand cars that are different in some fashion.

Admittedly, GT5 what we've got now, and it is what it is. But there's still worthy discussion on how they *should* have done it, and how they should do it next time. I doubt it would be seriously difficult for them to have you chose your region on start up, and show a Eunos/MX-5 appropriately according to that choice. It makes me uncomfortable buying a game that is so openly dishonest about one of it's biggest selling points.

 

[Famine]

It's not a surprise. It is somewhat dishonest on the part of Sony and PD as it assumes additional knowledge that the customer may or may not have. You'd expect most people around these parts to be familiar, but that's not true of your average Joe. If you tell a random person a thousand cars they would be rightly justified in assuming a thousand cars that are different in some fashion.

Then that's rather Joe's fault. If he's not willing to do even cursory research before a £40 purchase, more fool him.

Admittedly, GT5 what we've got now, and it is what it is. But there's still worthy discussion on how they *should* have done it, and how they should do it next time.

Any other way would involve deleting cars from the list altogether.

I doubt it would be seriously difficult for them to have you chose your region on start up, and show a Eunos/MX-5 appropriately according to that choice.

But then you have different car lists for different regions, something they were keen to avoid in order to make online play as smooth as it could be.

It makes me uncomfortable buying a game that is so openly dishonest about one of it's biggest selling points.

I can't see how they have been.

If I collect a yellow Mazda Miata, a yellow Mazda MX-5 and a yellow Eunos Roadster, I have three different cars - and they'll need three parking spaces at my house.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Then it'll be a laugh watching you get in the left side of a Eunos Roadster and trying to drive it.

Since there is no cockpit view, what difference does it make in the game?

How? The GT5 standard car list is almost identical to the GTPSP car list. We knew that over a year ago. The GTPSP car list features versions of cars sold in different regions under different names - as originally featured in the different regions' versions of GT4 - so that people could buy their home region car as they had in GT4 and race them online in GTPSP. We knew that over a year ago too. None of this should have come as a surprise to anyone.

The point is how they market it, not what the actual contents really are.

 

[Famine]

Since there is no cockpit view, what difference does it make in the game?

The wipers will be on the other way around and the badges will be different.

Nevertheless, you asserted that the MX-5, Roadster and Miata are the same car. They aren't.

The point is how they market it, not what the actual contents really are.

Since the MX-5, Roadster and Miata are all different cars, how is it inaccurate to say that they are?

 

[Imari]

Then that's rather Joe's fault. If he's not willing to do even cursory research before a £40 purchase, more fool him./\

Are you serious? I mean, people should do research into what they're buying but people should be able to trust that the advertising for a product is fundamentally honest. There are laws about that sort of thing.

Any other way would involve deleting cars from the list altogether.

Correct. I think that many of those cars should not have been unique in the first place. They either need to continue with the padding, or essentially remove cars from the list.

Removing cars isn't a bad thing if they're simply taking up space.

But then you have different car lists for different regions, something they were keen to avoid in order to make online play as smooth as it could be.

Fair point. It's probably not an insurmountable task to make the cars appear to each person as they should appropriate for their own region, but in that situation I could agree with the argument for having all versions available.

If I collect a yellow Mazda Miata, a yellow Mazda MX-5 and a yellow Eunos Roadster, I have three different cars - and they'll need three parking spaces at my house.

That's just facetious. If you had three yellow Miatas you'd need three parking spaces. You'd even say that you had three different cars, and you'd be correct because in the real world each car would have small differences that would make it unique. But digital cars are identical.

Ultimately it comes down to whether you think a mechanically identical car with a different name is a unique. I don't. You apparently do. There's no particular right or wrong there as long as we're both clear about what we're saying when we say one thousand cars.

PD and Sony have been unclear in a way that benefits them very strongly. That's not unusual in business, and presumably someone at Sony marketing made that decision based on a rational analysis of the benefits versus the potential repercussions. But I remain uncomfortable with a company that stretches the truth in order to meet a nice round number.

 

[Antonisbob]

Dodge Challenger R/T RM '70
I REALLY want to know how the RM Challenger will look.

 

[Famine]

Are you serious?

Yeah.

I mean, people should do research into what they're buying but people should be able to trust that the advertising for a product is fundamentally honest. There are laws about that sort of thing.

Please point out what's not honest about the advertising and report it to whomever creates these laws. I can't see what's dishonest about saying there's "n" cars when there really are "n" cars.

Correct. I think that many of those cars should not have been unique in the first place. They either need to continue with the padding, or essentially remove cars from the list.

So tell me why someone who drives a Miata gets to drive their car in GT5, but someone in an MX-5 doesn't in order to justify deleting the MX-5 from the game.

Removing cars isn't a bad thing if they're simply taking up space.

Given that the space can't be used for anything else, why is removing them a good thing? All you do is limit gameplay for others based on your dislike of having one regional but not the other.

That's just facetious. If you had three yellow Miatas you'd need three parking spaces. You'd even say that you had three different cars, and you'd be correct because in the real world each car would have small differences that would make it unique. But digital cars are identical.

Nevertheless, they'd be "three yellow Miatas" and not one yellow Miata, one yellow MX-5 and one yellow Roadster. Two of those would have the steering wheel on one side (depending on whether the MX-5 is European or UK) and one on the other. Two would have rear foglights, one wouldn't. The badging would all be different. They are different cars.

Ultimately it comes down to whether you think a mechanically identical car with a different name is a unique. I don't. You apparently do. There's no particular right or wrong there as long as we're both clear about what we're saying when we say one thousand cars.

I don't agree that they are mechanically identical. But then I know my MX-5s - for example, the Roadster will probably have LSD, the MX-5 probably not (depending on the individual model). I don't know my Skylines, but I can imagine similar things apply there.

Similar covers, but the books are all different.

PD and Sony have been unclear in a way that benefits them very strongly.

And naturally I disagree - we've known the contents of the standard car list would be the GTPSP car list for some time now, and the contents of the GTPSP car list includes the regional variations of MX-5s and others. We knew this all along and it has been very clear.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I don't agree that they are mechanically identical. But then I know my MX-5s - for example, the Roadster will probably have LSD, the MX-5 probably not (depending on the individual model). I don't know my Skylines, but I can imagine similar things apply there.

Similar covers, but the books are all different.

Just throwing this out there in addition; to drive any 3 of the "identical" MX-5's in PSP, they all drive, well, identically. Whether they should have slightly different specifications based on their original region of sale, I won't argue, but in the game, PD hasn't made those distinctions. It's a badge/driver-side deal, it seems.

One that I noticed today that seems even stranger is the Clio/Lutecia doubles. Their driver sits on the same side, they have identical specifications, the same paint options... everything looks to be the same minus the license plate and the name on the boot. Stuff like that does seem to be a sort of lazy way to bump the car count up. I wonder, if a car with cloth seats in the game also has a leather option in real life, if PD would see fit to label that as a different car too, if it were included? Since I imagine there must be some (however small) weight difference between the two.

I suppose it depends on peoples' point of view; if I owned an NA Miata, I wouldn't personally be bothered if my specific region's wasn't in, but another one of the same year was. PD's covering those bases though with minimal additional work, so I can definitely see the argument for it.

And naturally I disagree - we've known the contents of the standard car list would be the GTPSP car list for some time now, and the contents of the GTPSP car list includes the regional variations of MX-5s and others. We knew this all along and it has been very clear.

This, though, can't be argued. While some of us may see it as padding, PD's current method of including regional variations hasn't really gotten in the way of other cars being included, which is what some people are assuming.

 

[Imari]

Admittedly, looking at Wikipedia there are some differences in specs between the MX-5/Roadster/Miata. My bad for not knowing enough about the cars to spot that. Possibly not the best choice of car for the point I wished to make.

The same is true of a lot of the Skyline/Evo/GT3000 "doubles". They're very similar, but they have slight differences that make them worthy of being included on their own.

I guess the best example for what I'm looking for is probably the NASCARs. Assuming that all Camrys of the same year have identical performance (which isn't established anywhere to my knowledge), it's a palette swap. Now, those liveries need to be in the game so that people can have their favourite driver's car. I'm not advocating removing them. I'm just not sold at all that it counts as another car on the list any more than having a yellow MGF and a green MGF does.

This, though, can't be argued. While some of us may see it as padding, PD's current method of including regional variations hasn't really gotten in the way of other cars being included, which is what some people are assuming.

True. Removing a few cars does not necessarily make room, time, or anything else for the addition of other cars. I simply think that instead of having 3 Camry NASCAR '10's, there should be one with three selectable liveries. Essentially, I want the car list to include everything it does now, but I think the way it's organised can be made more compact and accessable for users. Part of that is making cars that would reasonably be considered a single model just that.

 

[Foxiol]

(maybe out off topic but...)
I bet that now PD when we all have the game they "are seeing" our cars or shop car list(online) for the next time be sure about what kind of cars we use and like, and then make a great car list without a lot of Nissan´s GT-R or Mazda´s Miata that we don´t really "need" and for last make a good car list with all cars as premiums.

(i made a mess ,i know, but sorry for my English)

And maybe they (now) are making (for dealerships the real ones) some kind of research about our car selection. (a lot of information is going directly to servers such racing times and that kind of stuff and maybe we are giving to them this information when we have new cars on our garage...who knows...then they see that and tell Companies if we like 1.4 or 1.8 engines from the same car and thats why we see a lot of the "same" car with tiny variants)...
Again sorry if i made a mess here but i´m trying to make an idea here.
If somebody catches it, i will be very happy...haha.

This is just something that now they can do. (not sure of course maybe nothing like this is happening).

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Foxiol, you bring up a good point, and really, PD already can get a pretty good idea of which cars are being used most (at least with people who are playing online). Looking at the leaderboards for Prologue, some cars have far, far more people submitting times. With GT5 and 1000+ cars, it'll be interesting to see which cars are used most often. Specifically, a very high-usage Standard car might give hints to PD about which they could pursue for Premiumization first (availability provided).

It's been brought up before, and is a reasonable idea (just like the many Standard Miatas could be turned to Premiums quicker than, say, the mkIV Supra).

 

[Foxiol]

Foxiol, you bring up a good point, and really, PD already can get a pretty good idea of which cars are being used most (at least with people who are playing online). Looking at the leaderboards for Prologue, some cars have far, far more people submitting times. With GT5 and 1000+ cars, it'll be interesting to see which cars are used most often. Specifically, a very high-usage Standard car might give hints to PD about which they could pursue for Premiumization first (availability provided).

It's been brought up before, and is a reasonable idea (just like the many Standard Miatas could be turned to Premiums quicker than, say, the mkIV Supra).

Yeah. Thanks for that.
You get the idea.👍
Lets see what happens in the next couple of years and when we finally see a new GT (6 in development).

 

[eSZee]

Foxiol, you bring up a good point, and really, PD already can get a pretty good idea of which cars are being used most (at least with people who are playing online). Looking at the leaderboards for Prologue, some cars have far, far more people submitting times. With GT5 and 1000+ cars, it'll be interesting to see which cars are used most often. Specifically, a very high-usage Standard car might give hints to PD about which they could pursue for Premiumization first (availability provided).

It's been brought up before, and is a reasonable idea (just like the many Standard Miatas could be turned to Premiums quicker than, say, the mkIV Supra).

Wait, hold on, OT, when the hell did you get a MOD badge? Congrats!
END OT.

 

[GTP_RaceRyder]

This is so cool, one of my boys has a 05 GTO the other has a 64 GTO, now some arguments can be settled off the highway.

 

[ferhound]

Make it DLC!!!

 

[stevo_mahony]

i hear that you can request cirtain car's or models to be built for the rite price, is this true? i hope so cause i'd pay top dollar to finally drive my xu-1 on a consol and blitz and the rice burners

 

[articzap]

i hear that you can request cirtain car's or models to be built for the rite price, is this true? i hope so cause i'd pay top dollar to finally drive my xu-1 on a consol and blitz and the rice burners

For how many months for a premium model, I doubt you could afford the thousands of dollars it would actually cost.

 

[stevo_mahony]

For how many months for a premium model, I doubt you could afford the thousands of dollars it would actually cost.

what your saying i'm poor? considering i own the real car wich cost ALOT i'm sure i could affort it being made on a GAME...ha and plus can you really see pd asking thousands? personaly i wouldn't spend anymore then i paid for the game

 

[SlipZtrEm]

what your saying i'm poor? considering i own the real car wich cost ALOT i'm sure i could affort it being made on a GAME...ha and plus can you really see pd asking thousands? personaly i wouldn't spend anymore then i paid for the game

Hello Stevo, while you're fairly new here, you have already heard from the mods before. No need to get defensive.

When you signed up, you agreed to this handy little guy, we ask that you make the effort to spell and capitalize properly to make it easier not only for fellow English speakers, but also those who don't call English their primary language.

If PD ever did open a service allowing fans to have their cars added into the game for a price... I imagine it'd be pretty popular!

 

[mayhem594]

People are telling me it is not impressive. For many that may be true but I am glad to have this many, it is the first REAL gt on ps3, I bet there will be a couple DLCs. I am just glad at the amount and what i will be able to do with them