GT5:P vs Forza 2 comparison.

[panjandrum]

I think for Gran Turismo to stay to its roots. They should skip VINYLS and other wacky paint jobs.. only do livery stickers and sponsors.. That way you can customize a car, but not in Need For Speed ricer fashion. As well body kits in GT5

I basically agree with this. We don't want GT to become gaudy and ugly. One of the things that sets it apart is that it is so much CLASSIER than most other racing games / sims.

One thing though, which I would very much like to be able to do is remove sponsor slogans from cars. I'm very "old school" when it comes to racing, and I've always felt that (in real life) these kinds of sponsorships a) ruined the sport and b) made beautiful cars ugly. I mean, take a lovely car like the Pagani and slap a bunch of sponsor crap on it and it just looks awful. It's like some beautiful woman, I don't know, let's pick Angelina Jolie as an example - going out and getting a bunch of tattoos. And not just any tattoos, but ugly prison-blue crapola. Nobody in their right mind would do that, right? I would be happy to win less in a race, or pay more for a car, if I didn't have to have the sponsors printed all over an otherwise beautiful piece of machinery.

 

[Tenacious D]

Um, if you've actually seen a lot of the things people create in FM2, they are FAR more than some ricer paintjob. A lot of them are custom liveries that are just as creative & cool as a real race car.

When I was racing online in FM2, I saw zero hideous or hentai cars. But you know what?

SO FREAKING WHAT? What's wrong with some of you? Do you refuse to go to the mall because ZOMG, you might see a riced up car with those dumb clear rear light frames?

I mean, seriously, do you NOT want to be able to recreate any race car in history? Or create your own? If you want a true race mod, you're going to want a pretty potent livery editor. And by golly, I want it to be so good, I don't give half a thought to Forza 3. I mean, I'll probly get it anyway, but I don't want Forza to have anything on GT.

The livery editor was such a joy that I ended up spending more time creating race cars than I did racing. I could sell my work for anywhere from 100K cr to a few million. We entered livery competitions, and I made second place once in a very competitive field. You people who don't want this just have no clue how awesome it is to create a livery that's as sharp as anything in motorsports, and then takining it online to have people ask you, "Where did that car come from?"

 

[grenadeshark]

When I was racing online in FM2, I saw zero hideous or hentai cars. But you know what?

SO FREAKING WHAT? What's wrong with some of you? Do you refuse to go to the mall because ZOMG, you might see a riced up car with those dumb clear rear light frames?

I mean, seriously, do you NOT want to be able to recreate any race car in history? Or create your own? If you want a true race mod, you're going to want a pretty potent livery editor. And by golly, I want it to be so good, I don't give half a thought to Forza 3. I mean, I'll probly get it anyway, but I don't want Forza to have anything on GT.

The livery editor was such a joy that I ended up spending more time creating race cars than I did racing. I could sell my work for anywhere from 100K cr to a few million. We entered livery competitions, and I made second place once in a very competitive field. You people who don't want this just have no clue how awesome it is to create a livery that's as sharp as anything in motorsports, and then takining it online to have people ask you, "Where did that car come from?"

This. Designing my own personalized paint job kept me playing forza for almost 2 years. Without the personalization and trueskill ranks, the game would have died very fast.

 

[Nicksfix]

I think for Gran Turismo to stay to its roots. They should skip VINYLS and other wacky paint jobs.. only do livery stickers and sponsors.. That way you can customize a car, but not in Need For Speed ricer fashion. As well body kits in GT5

Agreed with you 100 %. As I have said in other threads concerning this matter , race car paint , decals ,modifications are all yes , but do not go too far off course like you said and turn this into a rice game. If you like rice, then go play need for speed.

 

[grenadeshark]

Agreed with you 100 %. As I have said in other threads concerning this matter , race car paint , decals ,modifications are all yes , but do not go too far off course like you said and turn this into a rice game. If you like rice, then go play need for speed.

The great thing about visual modifications is you can CHOOSE not to have them. Don't take away something from someone else just because you choose not to want it.

That's what special interest groups do...

They take away your rights because they don't agree with something.

In example: I have never liked using race cars in the GT series or forza. I like production vehicles and modifying them. So we shouldn't have any race cars right? Because I don't like them?

Get my drift? They are catering to one persons needs. They are catering to an overall audience. Just in case you throw out the simulation argument, tons of modified cars run vinyl and racing body kits in actual track events. I haven't seen any anime drawings yet, but that's only because they are catering to the sponsors. If an anime magazine was sponsoring a car, you bet it would be all over the car like the ones you see in forza.

 

[Ghost_drift]

Yeah I agree, I wont use them my self. But it doesnt bother me to have something extra in the menu.

 

[Nicksfix]

That's what special interest groups do...

Do you know what GT stands for - seriously speaking ?

Gran Turismo (Italian for "Grand Touring") synonymous with the high-powered sports cars that take part in long distance or endurance races like 24 Hours of Le Mans, Mille Miglia, Targa Florio, Carrera Panamericana., now please explain to me what ricing a car has to do with this ? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!!!

GT5 has no room for 22" wheels with spinners and all the bling bling cheap stick ons that are non functional. 👎
GT5 has no room for layered vinyl overlays to make you look cool. 👎 basic racing decals,stripe kits,manufacturer decals is all that is required to make it appealing as a race car.
GT5 has no room for neon kits. 👎 no brainer , when was the last time you saw a race car with it's neons flashing on and off while racing ?

( seeing a trend here ? thats NFS stuff ) , if thats your boat ,then go sail in it another ocean , but not the GT ocean.

Suppose you would like the option to have a boom box system as well in your car so you can go thump thump boom boom and watch your windows rattle as you race ?

You want hydraulics as well so you can have your little bouncing up and down contests also ?


NO NO NO GT is all about racing my friend , not ricing , sorry !!!!!

 

[DaddyVDUB]

Tell us how you REALLY feel about it.

A few years ago when Forza first came out,I actually got an X Box just to play Forza...Lets just say I no longer have an X Box and I dont play Forza.

 

[Nicksfix]

I thought I did

 

[grenadeshark]

Do you know what GT stands for - seriously speaking ?

Gran Turismo (Italian for "Grand Touring") synonymous with the high-powered sports cars that take part in long distance or endurance races like 24 Hours of Le Mans, Mille Miglia, Targa Florio, Carrera Panamericana., now please explain to me what ricing a car has to do with this ? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!!!

GT5 has no room for 22" wheels with spinners and all the bling bling cheap stick ons that are non functional. 👎
GT5 has no room for layered vinyl overlays to make you look cool. 👎 basic racing decals,stripe kits,manufacturer decals is all that is required to make it appealing as a race car.
GT5 has no room for neon kits. 👎 no brainer , when was the last time you saw a race car with it's neons flashing on and off while racing ?

( seeing a trend here ? thats NFS stuff ) , if thats your boat ,then go sail in it another ocean , but not the GT ocean.

Suppose you would like the option to have a boom box system as well in your car so you can go thump thump boom boom and watch your windows rattle as you race ?

You want hydraulics as well so you can have your little bouncing up and down contests also ?


NO NO NO GT is all about racing my friend , not ricing , sorry !!!!!

Well, I didn't ask for those things. But, YOU have no room for any of those things. I actually agree with you on a lot of stuff, like neons, boom boxes, etc. But items that can actually show up on a production car in a racing league should all be ok.

That includes vinyls, body kits, wings, logoing. All those are seen in racing today.

 

[JDMKING13]

Do you know what GT stands for - seriously speaking ?

Gran Turismo (Italian for "Grand Touring") synonymous with the high-powered sports cars that take part in long distance or endurance races like 24 Hours of Le Mans, Mille Miglia, Targa Florio, Carrera Panamericana., now please explain to me what ricing a car has to do with this ? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!!!

GT5 has no room for 22" wheels with spinners and all the bling bling cheap stick ons that are non functional. 👎
GT5 has no room for layered vinyl overlays to make you look cool. 👎 basic racing decals,stripe kits,manufacturer decals is all that is required to make it appealing as a race car.
GT5 has no room for neon kits. 👎 no brainer , when was the last time you saw a race car with it's neons flashing on and off while racing ?

( seeing a trend here ? thats NFS stuff ) , if thats your boat ,then go sail in it another ocean , but not the GT ocean.

Suppose you would like the option to have a boom box system as well in your car so you can go thump thump boom boom and watch your windows rattle as you race ?

You want hydraulics as well so you can have your little bouncing up and down contests also ?


NO NO NO GT is all about racing my friend , not ricing , sorry !!!!!

I understand what your saying, but you took it to an another level. i dont think what your getting what Grenadeshark is trying to say. I think hes saying they should include a Livery, for the fact some people like to design their cars to express them self. You also have artis who are great at drawing and can put any design on a car.This IMO creates diversity, which is good. Im not into putting designs on my car, however i would like to be able to mimic a design like the Spoon sticker etc. I think you will be surprised on how many people spend hours on designing designs for their cars. It gives the driver the ability to express themselves another way beside racing. I remember playing Forza some years ago and meetign up with other JDM honda lovers and seeing their uniqe cars. It makes your car feel like your car.

You where saying how Gran Turismo means High Powerd sports cars participating in long distance or endurance races right? What about the people who like to drive classic cars, or muscle cars, slow cars etc. Lets talk about photo mode, I cant take photo for my life so i really dont care about it, however have you ever looked at TVR&Ferrari_Fan pictures? They are Amazing, Their isnt even a photo mode In GTP but their are still people going the extra mile to take photos. That just shows the Passion they have on capturing thes beautiful cars.

Overal i think adding a livery would help the GT series alot. Dont get me wrong im not for neon kits. boom boxes, and hydraulics. but if a racers wants to make his car fit to his personal liking im all for it.

 

[Nicksfix]

All I'm trying to say is that there is a line between racing and ricing , hoping that PD does not cross it. I agree with you grenadeshark 👍 , I know some of that stuff is used in racing , I personally don't see the need for the tacky bling bling stuff.

The things I mentioned are for this special interest group you brought up , not me , you know , the RICER CLAN. It does not belong in GT5.

 

[PAPPACLART]

Do you know what GT stands for - seriously speaking ?

Gran Turismo (Italian for "Grand Touring") synonymous with the high-powered sports cars that take part in long distance or endurance races like 24 Hours of Le Mans, Mille Miglia, Targa Florio, Carrera Panamericana., now please explain to me what ricing a car has to do with this ? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!!!

GT5 has no room for 22" wheels with spinners and all the bling bling cheap stick ons that are non functional. 👎
GT5 has no room for layered vinyl overlays to make you look cool. 👎 basic racing decals,stripe kits,manufacturer decals is all that is required to make it appealing as a race car.
GT5 has no room for neon kits. 👎 no brainer , when was the last time you saw a race car with it's neons flashing on and off while racing ?

( seeing a trend here ? thats NFS stuff ) , if thats your boat ,then go sail in it another ocean , but not the GT ocean.

Suppose you would like the option to have a boom box system as well in your car so you can go thump thump boom boom and watch your windows rattle as you race ?

You want hydraulics as well so you can have your little bouncing up and down contests also ?


NO NO NO GT is all about racing my friend , not ricing , sorry !!!!!

I often make your point when people tell me that bikes should not be allowed in GT. I often counter with the fact that GT has an F1 car which is not a GT car, and I also point out that a some of the wild whishlist requests are also not GT vehicles. People love to make a point without actually knowing what they are talking about.

I once spoke to a young lady from the ''streets'', we were speaking about music, I asked what music she liked, she replied, ''I like R&B'' ah I said, so you like Rhythm and Blues..she said ''No, I like R&B'' !!!!!!!!


Anyway, the only reason I see car customisation - decals, wings, go faster stripes, as a viable thing, is to individualize tuned cars for online play. But other than that, I say no to RICER SPICER's

 

[McLaren]

Do you know what GT stands for - seriously speaking ?

Gran Turismo (Italian for "Grand Touring") synonymous with the high-powered sports cars that take part in long distance or endurance races like 24 Hours of Le Mans, Mille Miglia, Targa Florio, Carrera Panamericana., now please explain to me what ricing a car has to do with this ? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!!!

This is hilarious. You suddenly assume a vinyl editor=ricers.
This is what is capable with a vinyl editor.

Your argument is absolutely silly. Because some people may take advantage of creating ugly cars, you now suddenly want to keep everyone from having it?

I don't want to see cars damaged b/c people may purposely do it. Thus, if I don't like it, I don't think the majority should have it.

See how silly that argument sounds?

GT5 has no room for 22" wheels with spinners and all the bling bling cheap stick ons that are non functional. 👎

Who said anything about them?

GT5 has no room for layered vinyl overlays to make you look cool. 👎 basic racing decals,stripe kits,manufacturer decals is all that is required to make it appealing as a race car.

Then why do race teams do this?

OMGZ, they did the Skull & Lizard on there just to be coolz.

Nearly every single racecar you see today has some sort of custom designed vinyl overlay. They do that to make their cars unique & distinguishable while racing, not to be cool. Vinyl overlays are just as much a part of racing as anything else. If they weren't we'd a have a bunch of boring, blue, red, green, etc. cars.

GT5 has no room for neon kits. 👎 no brainer , when was the last time you saw a race car with it's neons flashing on and off while racing ?

No one brought this up, either.

( seeing a trend here ? thats NFS stuff ) , if thats your boat ,then go sail in it another ocean , but not the GT ocean.

Suppose you would like the option to have a boom box system as well in your car so you can go thump thump boom boom and watch your windows rattle as you race ?

You want hydraulics as well so you can have your little bouncing up and down contests also ?


NO NO NO GT is all about racing my friend , not ricing , sorry !!!!!

This is so ridiculous. Someone says they want the vinyl editor, and you suddenly assume they are a ricer & also want other ricer objects.

GT is about racing? Guess what. So are custom vinyls/paint jobs. They've played their role in racing as long as anything else. If they didn't, Gulf Racing would be nowhere near as famous as it today nor Jagermeister. Custom vinyls have nothing to do with ricers.

 

[JDMKING13]

All I'm trying to say is that there is a line between racing and ricing , hoping that PD does not cross it. I agree with you grenadeshark 👍 , I know some of that stuff is used in racing , I personally don't see the need for the tacky bling bling stuff.

The things I mentioned are for this special interest group you brought up , not me , you know , the RICER CLAN. It does not belong in GT5.

I agree with you all the way but remember PD wont make the game rice people make the game rice. As you said putting 20 inch rims on your honda and going racing is 👎 and its Sad to Say people will do this. Think about it PD didnt build this game so people could ram other people off the track but it happens all the time. Whats on the up side is there will also be people who take Pictures with their Lexus VIP Style with 20 inch rims which they wont take to the track, but take pictures and post them on the board so we can enjoy them. So if you think about its whats the gamers are going to play GT5. With this in mind Private rooms will aleviate Many problem EX ricers,bashers Etc.

 

[JDMKING13]

This is hilarious. You suddenly assume a vinyl editor=ricers.
This is what is capable with a vinyl editor.

Your argument is absolutely silly. Because some people may take advantage of creating ugly cars, you now suddenly want to keep everyone from having it?

I don't want to see cars damaged b/c people may purposely do it. Thus, if I don't like it, I don't think the majority should have it.

See how silly that argument sounds?

Who said anything about them?

Then why do race teams do this?

OMGZ, they did the Skull & Lizard on there just to be coolz.

Nearly every single racecar you see today has some sort of custom designed vinyl overlay. They do that to make their cars unique & distinguishable while racing, not to be cool. Vinyl overlays are just as much a part of racing as anything else. If they weren't we'd a have a bunch of boring, blue, red, green, etc. cars.

No one brought this up, either.

This is so ridiculous. Someone says they want the vinyl editor, and you suddenly assume they are a ricer & also want other ricer objects.

GT is about racing? Guess what. So are custom vinyls/paint jobs. They've played their role in racing as long as anything else. If they didn't, Gulf Racing would be nowhere near as famous as it today nor Jagermeister. Custom vinyls have nothing to do with ricers.

+1 this is a perfect example what i was talking about people turing livery into a positive thing even though forza graphics are bad the design are cool

 

[PAPPACLART]

The real race cars look sweet, but the ones from (is it) FORZA look all ''Jean Claude Van RICED!'' lol I am sure some of those spoilers have there own weather systems swirling around under the huge shadows that they cast, perhaps the flashes from the exhaust we often see from ricers, are the lightning strikes!!! LOL

 

[McLaren]

Some of those spoilers come from real, highly respected tuning companies such as C-West. And I don't see how any of the custom race cars are rice at all. All race car paint jobs have to start somewhere. What makes an average person's design ricer when it follows the same outlines of a professional team's paint job?

 

[JDMKING13]

The real race cars look sweet, but the ones from (is it) FORZA look all ''Jean Claude Van RICED!'' lol I am sure some of those spoilers have there own weather systems swirling around under the huge shadows that they cast, perhaps the flashes from the exhaust we often see from ricers, are the lightning strikes!!! LOL

Yea Forza graphics are terrible but if you looked at good photos from forza it would be better

 

[Nicksfix]

The real race cars look sweet, but the ones from (is it) FORZA look all ''Jean Claude Van RICED!'' lol I am sure some of those spoilers have there own weather systems swirling around under the huge shadows that they cast, perhaps the flashes from the exhaust we often see from ricers, are the lightning strikes!!! LOL

Thank you 👍

from post # 72 : All I'm trying to say is that there is a line between racing and ricing , hoping that PD does not cross it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a livery editor at all revention , GT5 needs this , just don't get carried away with it like it is in the NFS games , as to please the " special interest " group.

 

[McLaren]

Thank you 👍

from post # 72 : All I'm trying to say is that there is a line between racing and ricing , hoping that PD does not cross it.

There is nothing PD can do to stop it. In fact, one could argue they were on the verge of it by allowing the player to add the spoilers to certain cars in GT4.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a livery editor at all revention , GT5 needs this , just don't get carried away with it like it is in the NFS games , as to please the " special interest " group.

Again, you can't do anything to stop it. If a livery editor is implemented, people will create anything from their imagination. But, those people should not keep others from having it as Nox was saying.

 

[Nicksfix]

PD can limit what vinyls they throw into the mix keeping it from becoming a NFS knockoff. Correct ? YES they can . Just keep them to race inspired themes.

 

[McLaren]

The great thing about Paint Editors is that they're made up of nothing but shapes that can be manipulated into other shapes & sizes. Take this way, and you no longer have a paint editor, just an option to added stickers & decals.

Race-inspired themes? No, themes are what NFS do.

 

[PAPPACLART]

Thank you 👍

from post # 72 : All I'm trying to say is that there is a line between racing and ricing , hoping that PD does not cross it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a livery editor at all revention , GT5 needs this , just don't get carried away with it like it is in the NFS games , as to please the " special interest " group.

I have nothing against modding a car but I am of the thinking that a car, whether it be a racing car, or a road car made to go fast.... The main objective for modding is performance related, and therefore mods should contribute to achievement of speed. In real life, the snap crackle and pop RICER, mods his his car to look in most cases garish, he will think it is the fastest thing outhere though to most of our horror. Spoilers aside, 22 rims on a 1.6 Ricer, does not really aide performance! For one, larger wheels increase the final drive ratio, making gears long, and lowering overall thrust in each gear; and in real life, I don't see many ricers with custom sequentual close ratio gear boxes to counter this problem.

Race cars in the past, had colours, red, green, blue, or sometimes a combination of the 2. Multi coloured racing cars only imerged due to the possibilty of revenue making through advertising. There is no need for individuals to advertise on GT, other than maybe there lack of talent. (comment applied to RICERS only)

Despite my above cynicism, the idea to make what would otherwise be a common car unique; I guess the ability to customise has it's merits.


Anyway, I can see the plus points of Ricers racing around online in GT5, with kitted out, lowed, Wooshing 165bhp monsters....As they will be easily distinguished if body editers are allowed. Being English, I have always found the Import VS Domestic rivaly quite funny. I can only imagine online, if it is comprehensive, with team races etc Can you imagine Team Rice Patch Vs Team Domestic Violence in a 24 Endurance race!! Can't beat a bit of rivaly related competition.

 

[Nicksfix]

Race-inspired themes? No, themes are what NFS do.

bad wording on my part , sorry , but I think you get the drift of where I was going with it.

Lets just call it a race inspired paint job.

 

[McLaren]

bad wording on my part , sorry , but I think you get the drift of where I was going with it.

Lets just call it a race inspired paint job.

But that becomes my point. What is a race inspired paint job, and what does it matter? Flying Lizard & Corvette racing are obviously not race inspired when you see a Lizard or a Skull on it. How about Audi's little Crocodile-themed paint job?

 

[Ghost_drift]

Some more examples of RICED cars. for ya lol

Team Orange's EVO X D1 car.

You dont want a Livery editor as it is "Riced". but I bet you dont mined driving this around in gt5p.

This Evo has multi layerd Vinals is this a ricer car?

Quick get my shot gun, who does this ricer think he is.

WOW look a ricer convention.

Incase you where wondering none of these cars are ricer cars, I am being sarcastic. Their is nothing wrong with having a feature that allows guys to make their own liverys up. Like i said it doesnt iterest me but their is no reason for it not to be in there.

And just so you get the idea these are prime examples of ricer cars. so you can tell the difference as you will see they are alot different from the cars above.

The livery editor in Forza is mainly used for making nice looking race cars. Although I have seen my share of NFS styled Ford GT40's in 2 tone paint. but the majority of them are realy nice realistic looking race cars. Although I have to admit that I brought this as it was just to cool to miss out on.

Now who here wouldnt want to take Barricade from the transformers movie out for a spin.

 

[McLaren]

You have a good point except for the stock cars which are made that way because of their major sponsors, & not the race team.

 

[Ghost_drift]

But they still hav lots of Vynal on them dont they. Check out Jeff Gordond DU-POINT car with its Vynal flames up the side.

 

[G.T.Ace]

And i love Jeff Gordon's cars since the 90s where it had the rainbow colors. 8)
A livery editor would be amazing, and i mean really amazing!