KSaiyu
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Nice one, I'm already very impressed with the DFP while on Prologue (albeit this is coming after using the MS wheel on Forza 2), so this should be an exciting wait (yes I ordered one
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GT5-Prologue Impressions Thread
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Nice one, I'm already very impressed with the DFP while on Prologue (albeit this is coming after using the MS wheel on Forza 2), so this should be an exciting wait (yes I ordered one
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- J-PaP
all you need is a top 3 placing in class a,b,c and s class gets unlocked then. game is very challenging, great but most challenging ive found gt yet.
i've managed a 1.02.8 with professional mode. 1.01.7 with arcade in the swift race.
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- ultimate4g63
Thanks!
I got somewhat of an update with some rants, regarding the AI and the way the whole tyre scheme works.
The AI only seems to be programmed for a certain tyre type.
The AI will ram you non stop if you choose something like N2 tyres in arcade mode as soon as you brake on the first corner. (no different from any other GT at this point.)
Basicly, you change the tyre type, but the AI doesn't. And it doesn't adjust to your now slower cornering speed and earlier braking. (it's very frustrating, you can be running perfect laps, but the AI will just ram you and drive you off the track with out warning.)
I really wish PD made N2 the default tyre unless you chose otherwise, (or just put in a "stock" tyre option and rename N2 accordingly, cause N2's seem to be the closest to stock, but seem to lose grip a bit more than they should in some situations IMO) and programmed the AI for that as well.
I think sports & racing tyres should be available as an upgrade, not something you get when you buy the car by default. (if i remmember correctly, even though you do get the N2 tyres when you buy the car you actually have to equip them in past gt's) This would keep cars truly stock when you buy them, and the performance would be very close to what you'd expect if you actually ran it on a real track.
I really don't know how the sport tyres work in some cars, since the stock tyres a Ferrari has ARE sport tyres and of course N2 will still be the stock tyre for a Ferrari as oposed to a S1, S2 or S3.(or any other sports car in the game for that matter.)
Which really makes you wonder if sports tyres are realistic at all in a sports car that is still scaling in grip compared to their "N2" tyre when you choose something like "S1", etc.
It'd be really nice if they explained that in more detail. But what it looks like they do, is they take the N2 as something close the stock tyre, and just scale the grip up from there for N3, S1, S2, S3.(which would make tyre grip completley unrealistic in cars that their "N" setting is allready a sports tyre.)
They haven't adressed this in many years now, so i don't see hints on them starting now.
They really should take a hint from EPR here, and make the stock tyres the default ones. (of course it'd be nice if the whole tyre simulation was as good as that, but that's another can of worms that i don't wanna get into since the post isn't about this.)
Heck, it'd be really nice if PD just simulated a bunch of different brand tyres and type of these and sold them aftermarket parts, and just simulated each car with their stock tyre and sold it with that one equiped. They allready have the licences from the car companies, so why stop there?
Anyway, the reason i see this as being somewhat of an issue, is online races. I really doubt that the avarage Joe will chose anything less than R3 even for stock cars, (which for me kinda ruins the point of racing stock cars to begin with, but that's just me...)
I'm assuming PD will have options to restrict the tyre type, or at least i hope they do. And i hope the GT community is varied enough that people like me that preffer true stock tyres race over what i think is in some cases irrealistic "sports" tyres, don't have any trouble finding people that will play with N2 tyres for a realistic stock car race.
Also worth mentioning that even in modified cars such as the Amuse S2000 for example, the N2 tyre seems to be the tyre you'd get if you bought the car in real life, even though the car is obviously using a performance tyre, the N2 tyre is the one that yields the realistic lap times.
Anyway, it's just some observations and some food for thought.
The AI only seems to be programmed for a certain tyre type.
The AI will ram you non stop if you choose something like N2 tyres in arcade mode as soon as you brake on the first corner. (no different from any other GT at this point.)
Basicly, you change the tyre type, but the AI doesn't. And it doesn't adjust to your now slower cornering speed and earlier braking. (it's very frustrating, you can be running perfect laps, but the AI will just ram you and drive you off the track with out warning.)
I really wish PD made N2 the default tyre unless you chose otherwise, (or just put in a "stock" tyre option and rename N2 accordingly, cause N2's seem to be the closest to stock, but seem to lose grip a bit more than they should in some situations IMO) and programmed the AI for that as well.
I think sports & racing tyres should be available as an upgrade, not something you get when you buy the car by default. (if i remmember correctly, even though you do get the N2 tyres when you buy the car you actually have to equip them in past gt's) This would keep cars truly stock when you buy them, and the performance would be very close to what you'd expect if you actually ran it on a real track.
I really don't know how the sport tyres work in some cars, since the stock tyres a Ferrari has ARE sport tyres and of course N2 will still be the stock tyre for a Ferrari as oposed to a S1, S2 or S3.(or any other sports car in the game for that matter.)
Which really makes you wonder if sports tyres are realistic at all in a sports car that is still scaling in grip compared to their "N2" tyre when you choose something like "S1", etc.
It'd be really nice if they explained that in more detail. But what it looks like they do, is they take the N2 as something close the stock tyre, and just scale the grip up from there for N3, S1, S2, S3.(which would make tyre grip completley unrealistic in cars that their "N" setting is allready a sports tyre.)
They haven't adressed this in many years now, so i don't see hints on them starting now.
They really should take a hint from EPR here, and make the stock tyres the default ones. (of course it'd be nice if the whole tyre simulation was as good as that, but that's another can of worms that i don't wanna get into since the post isn't about this.)
Heck, it'd be really nice if PD just simulated a bunch of different brand tyres and type of these and sold them aftermarket parts, and just simulated each car with their stock tyre and sold it with that one equiped. They allready have the licences from the car companies, so why stop there?
Anyway, the reason i see this as being somewhat of an issue, is online races. I really doubt that the avarage Joe will chose anything less than R3 even for stock cars, (which for me kinda ruins the point of racing stock cars to begin with, but that's just me...)
I'm assuming PD will have options to restrict the tyre type, or at least i hope they do. And i hope the GT community is varied enough that people like me that preffer true stock tyres race over what i think is in some cases irrealistic "sports" tyres, don't have any trouble finding people that will play with N2 tyres for a realistic stock car race.
Also worth mentioning that even in modified cars such as the Amuse S2000 for example, the N2 tyre seems to be the tyre you'd get if you bought the car in real life, even though the car is obviously using a performance tyre, the N2 tyre is the one that yields the realistic lap times.
Anyway, it's just some observations and some food for thought.
I think you misunderstood what I was getting at. I know full well that that the Xanavi Z and the Bandai SC arent in Prologue. I was just wondering why. Seeing as the Z was in the original E3 trailer that was specifically for GT:5 Prologue and the Bandai SC was in an article in Famitsu that was specifically about GT: Prologue I was wondering if they were hidden cars, or were they completely dropped from Prologue. Has every forgotten about the very first trailer? i just wanted peoples opinion on this.
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- tofuman
Thats the thing that as always annoyed me in other GT games, why doesn't the AI cars get the same tires? I love the game but why can't PD fix that. Well I guess now that were getting online mode it won't matter that much anymore.
Hopefully during online races the host can set the tire type and everyone else joining his/her game will just be forced to use the same tires to keep it even.
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- mileret
Yes, I completely agree. In GT4, the simulation was never so bad that some are saying. But N2 was just tire closest to the reality and particular cars have the same times on Nordschleife as their real life counterparts only with N2 tyres.
I vote for N2 tyres as default for all cars.
This actually shows, that there's only evolution in simulation engine, not revolution as Yamauchi often says.
I vote for N2 tyres as default for all cars.
This actually shows, that there's only evolution in simulation engine, not revolution as Yamauchi often says.
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- SavageEvil
In GT4, when you played single race, the AI always started the race with whatever tyre type you chose before entering the race. Before starting the race you can change your tyre type, but the AI do not. The catch is just restart the race and viola, the Ai will now have the tyre type you chose prior to the restart. Now as I do not have GT5 P, im not sure how it works. Also cars in GT4 always came with tires that allow you to jump into the game and drive reasonably. But Kaz has stated that N1-N3 are economy(N1) tires on run of the mill everyday cars, sport(N2) mid range cars, like mustangs and street(N3) think Pilot PS/2's super cars and the like. I think that the Sport S1-S3's are the weirdest set of tires, they are pretty much the ones that are fabricated with odd grip levels( according to GT4). As i stated before I do not yet have GT5P, once I get it I shall be able to figure out much more.
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i need some help, one last race left S-6!!! im getting my ass kicked..... 5th place 
im using the f430 and run an avg 2'11 and bested a 2'09 lap time. am i using the wrong car? i know the lap times aren't stellar, but they are solid. should i try turning the aid on or off?
can we share gamesaves?
do you earn anything for playing arcade mode??
im using the f430 and run an avg 2'11 and bested a 2'09 lap time. am i using the wrong car? i know the lap times aren't stellar, but they are solid. should i try turning the aid on or off?
can we share gamesaves?
do you earn anything for playing arcade mode??
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i need some help, one last race left S-6!!! im getting my ass kicked..... 5th place
im using the f430 and run an avg 2'11 and bested a 2'09 lap time. am i using the wrong car? i know the lap times aren't stellar, but they are solid. should i try turning the aid on or off?
This ones getting me to, I just can't put 10 good laps in.
I'm using the 599 & had a best lap of 2.07.
I just need more seat time in the 599 & hopefully I can beat this mission & I'll be finished with all the event races & I'll just need to buy the cars I don't have & do those manufactures races.
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Does this game play similar to GT4 on physics? Also, does anyone use the new PS3 controller, is it easy enough to use only partial accelerator on the x button.
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I agree with Kamus that PD needs to sort out the tire issue. In GT4 when just driving aroud I always used N2 tires but now with the new physics system which enables you to slide the car much more easily I find powerfull cars such as the Corvette and 599 just a bit TOO eager to spin their rear wheels when I'm trying to make quick progress. Which makes me wonder, performance cars are usually equipped with higher gripping tires, so while N2 tires can be deemed as standard for a Suzuki Swift, does that same tires qualify as standard for a Ferrari 599?
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- JDA1982
No, I'd assume it's be the same as GT4, N1's for the economy cars, N2's for sports cars and N3's for supercars and the like. If you're spinning the wheels more than you should then try N3's, remember that a 599 and similar cars can and will spin thier wheels like a bitch if you give it too much power too soon.
My questin is, with this new physics model, will anyone dare drive the Speed 12 on N3's if it features in GT5 cue evil laugh.
My questin is, with this new physics model, will anyone dare drive the Speed 12 on N3's if it features in GT5 cue evil laugh.
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Does anyone know if it is possible to sell cars and if yes than how?
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