GT5 Vehicle Wish List Ver. 5.0 [GO TO Ver. 5.5]

[The Vanishing Boy]

^ Hmm...in that case I will let you know. Stand by for my PM.

 

[Ardius]

-> For now (and again), due to exraordinary circumstances.
I'm closing requests temporarily

-> Due for the fact that I've been busy between school, work, and car (my WRX) at the same time. And I'm still updating the list at a spare time, it is really tough I should say.

-> The requests between my last post and this one will be added (upon approval/qualification) though.

-> You guys can continue disscussions though, thanks for your understanding.

By the way, what happened to my Davrian/Darrian request? Was it disapproved? And if so, I'd just like to know why?

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

-> ...

-Davrian/Darrian Cars-
Davrian Mk1
Davrian Mk2
Davrian Mk3
Davrian Mk4
Davrian Mk5
Davrian Mk6
Davrian Mk7
Davrian Mk8
Darrian T9
Darrian T90
Darrian T90 GTR
Darrian T90 GT1

Information about this extremely unknown little company:
here: http://www.darrian.co.uk/
here: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/NEW_DAV_REG/
and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davrian

^ Oh, I'm aware of it, but since I'm on a verge of revamping the list for 5.5, your list won't be ignored.

-> But I have to separate the Davrian and Darrian due to historical significance and different corporate entities. Are you cool with that?

Example:

-DARRIAN CARS-
Darrian T9
Darrian T90
Darrian T90 GTR
Darrian T90 GT1

-DAVRIAN DEVELOPMENTS LTD-
Davrian Mk1
Davrian Mk2
Davrian Mk3
Davrian Mk4
Davrian Mk5
Davrian Mk6
Davrian Mk7
Davrian Mk8

^ But I am still busy with implementing V.5.5, at first these marques will show up without their cars.

EDIT:

-> Oh, oh, I can also bump in Corry Car Company. Its a Davrian Dragon that was bought by Will Corry. It ran only for two years, its on your Wiki link too.

-CORRY CAR COMPANY-
Corry Cultra sports coupe '85

^ Here is the LINK.

 

[Ardius]

Yeah, thats cool, I wasn't sure if it was worth splitting them into seperate companies, seeing as they are pretty much the same company in all but name.

 

[fasj6418]

I hate criticizing people. Speacially on the Internet, since i don't feel like i can explain myself correctly. But still, i really need to say this.

The idea of a car wish list and a track wish list is great. The execution, useless. Now i know that Vanishing Boy must have spent countless hours formatting this, coming up with ideas and such, but my complain is with the essensse of these threads.

Basically, this (and the track thread too) has become an enourmos list of every car/track made and avaliable on the world. So many models, many variations, irrelevant models that end up just taking server space.

PD probably has a list with all tracks registred on FIA, and probably has their own wikipedia of all time car list. We don't need to duplicate that.

If anyone from PD is reading us and taking notes, what would be the purpose of such thread? Wouldn't be for the inclusion of asked models on the final game? The whole attitude of these threads seems "15 year old-ish" to me.

Now, instead of just throwing rocks at the folks organizing, i have to say i do think these threads can be useful.

We have enough evidence to believe that the final car count for GT5 will end at 1000 or so. Why not make a limited list, with cars that instead of only knowing about their existence, you really want them? Lets say we limit a lot of things and end up having slots for manufacturers and slots for cars on those manufactures.

Let me give you and example, just to ilustrate things up. BMW is one of the manufactors that will be in. Lets assign 30 cars for BMW.

M5 '09
M6 '09
335i
M3 GTR race car
850i
and so on

Each user can choose/indicate 50 cars or so on total.

Sounds weird, but in the end you have a reasonable list of 1000-2000 cars with a different numbers of votes for each model, representing more accurately what we really want in the next game. It's way easier to have a "short" list that a guy at PD can print and discuss with the staff "hey look, 132 people want the Saleen S7 race car in the next GT... that's a solid number".

Same thing can be done with the track list. Keeping it real, thus making this somewhat relevant, ending with a document that we can send it to them.

I'm terribly sorry if i hurt anyone's feeling's, but the way it is now, it's just pointless. I'm just trying to help.

Does any mod here have a take on the subject? Could i move my idea foward? What do the other users have to say about the subject?

 

[buickgnx88]

While I sort of disagree on thinking that these lists are pointless, I do agree that it would be cool to try and make a reduced list of 1000 cars or so. It would be a good way to see what people would actually put in a game if they had the chance but only had limited space.

Of course the only problem is determining how many manufacturers to allow to choose from.

 

[fasj6418]

While I sort of disagree on thinking that these lists are pointless, I do agree that it would be cool to try and make a reduced list of 1000 cars or so. It would be a good way to see what people would actually put in a game if they had the chance but only had limited space.

Of course the only problem is determining how many manufacturers to allow to choose from.

Determining the manufactors is not that hard. You pick the current ones plus the remanescent from the ones that are still out like Lambo and Porsche. If such idea was put into execution, this would be the least of my concerns, i can assure you.

 

[buickgnx88]

But of course there are way more other companies besides Porsche and Lambo.

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

-> Everyone will be a bit happy when V5.5 is up, I've cleared all the cars on the list. I'm reformatting the list from scratch back to zero at TQPI.net. So by the time the V5.5 and along with RACECAR's Race Car wish list, it will be a whole new and informational wish list. It will be better than its predesessors even V5.0, the car wish list will be splitted in two Vehicle and Race Car will be a co-op'ed by me and RACECAR.

 

[buickgnx88]

I have a sudden urge to redo my American Cars list, trying to condense it into a plausible list for the game.

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

^ The rules will be different by the time V5.5 is out.

-> There will be a maximum of 15 cars per request as I verify each car for validity and compliance if the car is debatable, just like Ardius' request few posts ago. As time goes on all the verified cars from 5.0 will be transferred with no problems. So most of your American car list will be safe for the transition.

-> But as what I said before, the V5.5 will start from zero. This wish list will be more detailed for educational purposes, and some with links just like V5.0.

-> So hang on guys! 5.5 is coming, and Race Car WL along with it too!

 

[buickgnx88]

Haha don't worry too much about transferring mine, I'm shortening up my list anyways just because I feel like it!

 

[fasj6418]

^ The rules will be different by the time V5.5 is out.

-> There will be a maximum of 15 cars per request as I verify each car for validity and compliance if the car is debatable, just like Ardius' request few posts ago. As time goes on all the verified cars from 5.0 will be transferred with no problems. So most of your American car list will be safe for the transition.

-> But as what I said before, the V5.5 will start from zero. This wish list will be more detailed for educational purposes, and some with links just like V5.0.

-> So hang on guys! 5.5 is coming, and Race Car WL along with it too!

Great news. Hopefully we can make something that will somehow reach PD's offices.

And yes, i know there are many others besides Lambo and Porsche still missing in our game. Starting from zero and discussing wheather the car is worthy sounds promissing.

👍

 

[unv412]

I like your idea.I also like the wish lists.There may be a problem with the whole 1000-2000 list because I will require PD to have every car ever made included in GT5!lol.So let me get this straight.......20-50 cars from each Manufacturer.......most votes earns the car a place in final 1000-2000 list? Hard to truely encompass the big manufacturers who turnout a model change almost every year (eg 60-90s GM,Ford,Chrysler) with just 20-50 cars.

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

^ Take note, that the wish list will not be limited by a certain amount per manufacturer.

 

[fasj6418]

I like your idea.I also like the wish lists.There may be a problem with the whole 1000-2000 list because I will require PD to have every car ever made included in GT5!lol.So let me get this straight.......20-50 cars from each Manufacturer.......most votes earns the car a place in final 1000-2000 list? Hard to truely encompass the big manufacturers who turnout a model change almost every year (eg 60-90s GM,Ford,Chrysler) with just 20-50 cars.

Of course Big manufacturers get more cars than lets say... Seat. I couldn't really express myself well in the first post, but a great car is a great car and it should be in. For lack of having all the names i didn't give a proper example, but i will. The whole ideawas just to trim down from the 5000-7000 huge list we had.

 

[fasj6418]

^ Take note, that the wish list will not be limited by a certain amount per manufacturer.

Yeah, i was just browsing through the list... i guess the big part is finding a balance of Race cars/normal cars/aftermarket tuned cars.

I saw a lof of Tuned cars from companies that i never seen in picture...

 

[homeforsummer]

Glad to hear v5.5 will be more condensed. I agree very much with fasj6418's long post up the page - the current list is ridiculous. It's a nice idea executed poorly (with no disrespect to The Vanishing Boy at all), by virtue of every version of every model ever being accepted. I commented as such both earlier on in this thread and in the separate tuned cars thread. For example, there is no worthy achievement in listing 14 different Hummer models, when an H1, an H2 and an H3 would be more than enough (almost literally).

More relevant would be assuming that certain vehicles will be included in the game anyway, and then set a limit, that an individual can suggest no more than ten cars period, which can then be added to the list if they aren't on already. Then it really will be a wish list of cars that people really want, and not a comprehensive list of every automobile ever produced.

 

[buickgnx88]

Of course some people, such as I, couldn't narrow down all the cars I want into 10.

 

[homeforsummer]

20 then? If a line isn't drawn somewhere then it'll just end up like the current one with people wishing for hundreds of identical cars. A low cap on the numbers forces people to think of what they'd really, really like to see, instead of "yeah, that'd be okay I guess" sort of choices.

I like hundreds of different cars but I'm pretty sure I could condense that to find the ten cars I'd like more than anything to see in GT5.

 

[fasj6418]

20 then? If a line isn't drawn somewhere then it'll just end up like the current one with people wishing for hundreds of identical cars. A low cap on the numbers forces people to think of what they'd really, really like to see, instead of "yeah, that'd be okay I guess" sort of choices.

I like hundreds of different cars but I'm pretty sure I could condense that to find the ten cars I'd like more than anything to see in GT5.

The main thing is this: if tuning in GT5 is indee improved and expanded, we don't need a lot of those specific cars.

Let me give you an example:

Instead of having:

Audi A4 '08
ABT Audi A4
Schnizer Audi A4
something Audi A4
some other Audi A4

You could just have Audi A4 '08 and then decide if you're going to tune a la Schnizer or ABT inside the game. (Kaz hinted at individual modeled parts, swapping engines, so i believe that's how tuning will play a part in the new game).

We really don't need those 5 similar versions of the car, just the basic one. (of course that does not apply when there's a substantial diference between the original car and the tuned version, but i think i expressed myself better on that one.)

 

[buickgnx88]

I currently have a list of ~450 American vehicles that I would like to see (from 22 companies), and not-a-one of them is a "yeah, that'd be ok I guess" choice. Narrowing it down would be VERY difficult for me.

Edit:

The main thing is this: if tuning in GT5 is indee improved and expanded, we don't need a lot of those specific cars.

Let me give you an example:

Instead of having:

Audi A4 '08
ABT Audi A4
Schnizer Audi A4
something Audi A4
some other Audi A4

You could just have Audi A4 '08 and then decide if you're going to tune a la Schnizer or ABT inside the game. (Kaz hinted at individual modeled parts, swapping engines, so i believe that's how tuning will play a part in the new game).

We really don't need those 5 similar versions of the car, just the basic one. (of course that does not apply when there's a substantial diference between the original car and the tuned version, but i think i expressed myself better on that one.)

This is why we need actual tuning options in the game. If we just had the stock vehicles, then we could essentially quadruple (at least) the number of available cars in the game!

 

[homeforsummer]

I currently have a list of ~450 American vehicles that I would like to see (from 22 companies), and not-a-one of them is a "yeah, that'd be ok I guess" choice. Narrowing it down would be VERY difficult for me.

Seriously? I like a lot of cars. I like a lot of cars ranging from the best Ferraris down to the most unlikely heaps of s***, but I'm still pretty sure I could condense those hundreds of cars down to ten that I genuinely, properly wanted to see (and ones that aren't already very likely to be in the game)

You could just have Audi A4 '08 and then decide if you're going to tune a la Schnizer or ABT inside the game.

This is an idea I like. I suppose using the same sort of logic, you could click on the Audi A4 '08 in the dealership and the next menu would allow you to choose between say, four different engines (in the same way you'd normally cycle through colour options), as opposed to having four different models in the dealership.

 

[unv412]

so how would the voting be done, like in a pole where all the cars are nominated? or will someone just list 20-50 cars from each make and then someone tabulates the votes from there?? Also how would each make be weighted to how many cars are allowed in (eg Seat versus Chevy). So many questions, so little time

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

-> ...

Glad to hear v5.5 will be more condensed. I agree very much with fasj6418's long post up the page - the current list is ridiculous. It's a nice idea executed poorly (with no disrespect to The Vanishing Boy at all), by virtue of every version of every model ever being accepted. I commented as such both earlier on in this thread and in the separate tuned cars thread. For example, there is no worthy achievement in listing 14 different Hummer models, when an H1, an H2 and an H3 would be more than enough (almost literally).

More relevant would be assuming that certain vehicles will be included in the game anyway, and then set a limit, that an individual can suggest no more than ten cars period, which can then be added to the list if they aren't on already. Then it really will be a wish list of cars that people really want, and not a comprehensive list of every automobile ever produced.

^ -> The list was 80% made By German Muscle, and I tried the best as I can to revise it since V4.5. His list was very inconsistant, more of a copy + paste routine, I tried to help him out before on V3.0 & 4.0 re-arrangement procedures with not much of an improvement. And since after my 2nd re-vision of 4.0 he dissapeared, I appealed to Jordan about the situation and took over, then 4.5 was created with mostly German Muscle's handiwork with my facelifts.

-> I can be guilty of inputting all those HUMMER's and the AM General's, but isn't these car are also a significant piece of automotive history too?

-> I usually handpicked all the cars that are worthy to be in the game. It can either be a rarity, significance, and that 'want' factor. I also disclose each car if its worthy or not, thou I explain it based on my research, like Monteverdi for example. If anyone can dispute that, it can be negostiated.

20 then? If a line isn't drawn somewhere then it'll just end up like the current one with people wishing for hundreds of identical cars. A low cap on the numbers forces people to think of what they'd really, really like to see, instead of "yeah, that'd be okay I guess" sort of choices.

I like hundreds of different cars but I'm pretty sure I could condense that to find the ten cars I'd like more than anything to see in GT5.

The main thing is this: if tuning in GT5 is indee improved and expanded, we don't need a lot of those specific cars.

Let me give you an example:

Instead of having:

Audi A4 '08
ABT Audi A4
Schnizer Audi A4
something Audi A4
some other Audi A4

You could just have Audi A4 '08 and then decide if you're going to tune a la Schnizer or ABT inside the game. (Kaz hinted at individual modeled parts, swapping engines, so i believe that's how tuning will play a part in the new game).

We really don't need those 5 similar versions of the car, just the basic one. (of course that does not apply when there's a substantial diference between the original car and the tuned version, but i think i expressed myself better on that one.)

I currently have a list of ~450 American vehicles that I would like to see (from 22 companies), and not-a-one of them is a "yeah, that'd be ok I guess" choice. Narrowing it down would be VERY difficult for me.

Edit:


This is why we need actual tuning options in the game. If we just had the stock vehicles, then we could essentially quadruple (at least) the number of available cars in the game!

Seriously? I like a lot of cars. I like a lot of cars ranging from the best Ferraris down to the most unlikely heaps of s***, but I'm still pretty sure I could condense those hundreds of cars down to ten that I genuinely, properly wanted to see (and ones that aren't already very likely to be in the game)

This is an idea I like. I suppose using the same sort of logic, you could click on the Audi A4 '08 in the dealership and the next menu would allow you to choose between say, four different engines (in the same way you'd normally cycle through colour options), as opposed to having four different models in the dealership.

^ I am reducing some Tuned cars that almost look the same as the car that is based from (i.e. Abt). I do admit that I'm also guilty of these, but I will resolute Tuned cars that has only with an extreme form of modification and/or a one-off built from the Tuner. Here are some exaxmples:

AC Schnitzer Tension concept '05

Mugen SS2200 concept '00

so how would the voting be done, like in a pole where all the cars are nominated? or will someone just list 20-50 cars from each make and then someone tabulates the votes from there?? Also how would each make be weighted to how many cars are allowed in (eg Seat versus Chevy). So many questions, so little time

^ There will be no voting, it will only be a basis of which that car is worth deserving or not. And call me crazy, again there will be no limitations of cars being requested.

 

[Driving Park]

No TVB, you're perfectly sane. For people who haven't seen my very long-winded earlier post, it explains everything. Except for maybe the tuned car issues, but I'll let you guys deal with that.

:-)

 

[FRED SIMÕES]

(erase please)

 

[homeforsummer]

-> I can be guilty of inputting all those HUMMER's and the AM General's, but isn't these car are also a significant piece of automotive history too?

They are, but why the necessity of having more than the basic H1, H2 and H3? At the most, you could add a military HumVee in as well. I think realistically, 4 Hummers would be enough for most people.

On a side note, I welcome rarities like the Monteverdi. I also like your idea of reducing the number of tuned cars in the list if they have too much in common with a factory model. We already have a semi-list of tuned cars (though it's a bit patchy, the one that Ultraflow created. If a thread like that was well governed and not just a list of tuner cars nobody's heard of, it would be a welcome partner to a well-managed general vehicle wish list.

 

[fasj6418]

Maybe setting up different categories can help?

Like:

Tuned
Classics
SUV's and others
Racing Cars
Normal Cars
Concepts

I'm thinking about the brainstorm needed. Are we going to start posting and debating about every car out there, or should we start category by category? i don't know, does separating cars help? what do you guys think?

 

[RACECAR]

Maybe setting up different categories can help?

Like:

Tuned
Classics
SUV's and others
Racing Cars
Normal Cars
Concepts

I'm thinking about the brainstorm needed. Are we going to start posting and debating about every car out there, or should we start category by category? i don't know, does separating cars help? what do you guys think?

Well, I'm currently putting together a Race car only list.