GT6 Car & Track Wishlist (don't post a picture of every request)
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ZedMan1996
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But has the major problem of being a Nissan, which is why it'll probably go out of production soon.
Yes it is impractical (unusable rear seats for example) and yes it does deliver, but those don't matter. It simply isn't a ferrari or a lamborghini, and that's the same reason why the s2000 and the nsx were discontinued (other sports cars kept selling on the crisis).
If I were the CEO of Nissan USA (rofl) I'd create a separate company for the 350 and 370z, GT-R and so on, and build a reputation on those. Probably not Infinity though.
Same with Honda. Sell all the new nsx and s3000 as Acuras.
Yes it is impractical (unusable rear seats for example) and yes it does deliver, but those don't matter. It simply isn't a ferrari or a lamborghini, and that's the same reason why the s2000 and the nsx were discontinued (other sports cars kept selling on the crisis).
If I were the CEO of Nissan USA (rofl) I'd create a separate company for the 350 and 370z, GT-R and so on, and build a reputation on those. Probably not Infinity though.
Same with Honda. Sell all the new nsx and s3000 as Acuras.
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Anyone played CMR2 with the WRC 2002 mod? Well I think these cars deserve to be in premium!
ZedMan1996
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HELLO! Nissan dont just make the GT-R!! They make most of the family cars, trucks, utility vehicles, diggers, mini cars, and economic cars i the world you spoon. They are the most prolific car make in the world. They will never EVER go out of production.
Also there is Nissan's other company Infiniti
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avens
Zip it, it's the most practical car on the market but unlucky previous, GTR is just a GTR where before it was skyline GTR with other base models. S2000 was a great car that lasted 10 years, same with NSX with a few cosmetic changes for time. Both these are great cars too. You dont half talk some **** (350z and 370z r Japanese, infinite g35 /g37 are the American versions but both sold)
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You didn't get my point. Thought I made it quite clear.
Nissan precisely has the reputation of a mass market family car maker and Infinity is its luxury brand. That's why most people don't dream of buying a Nissan but a Ferrari instead.
Cars go out of production when they stop selling well, no matter the company.
You neither did. It's like I'm talking with 16 year olds...oh wait.
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What about the original skyline, which btw never stopped (GTR is different model now!!!) GTR will never dip, to good and in mass demand still. Nissan has a reputation of changing the market, just like the last Godzilla did in '99. GTR is as popular of any Ferrari but less of the cost. Your point is opinion Again, the only reason they would stop production is if they fill it's the end of its life then move on to the R36. Every car has a life, would never last for ever, 2002 was the end of r34 for another reason other than sales I believe. What about nismo and there racing program on the GTR..........
And the fact that the R34 is still going strong now and very popular means Nissan has done a brilliant job with the R line and there not far off with the Z line either
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Did you at least google how many skyline generations there are and the reasons behind each one?
Automakers not only create new versions to keep them fresh. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is sales, and if the GT-R gets poor sales (to what they estimate. It's Nissan after all, not Ferrari) it'll be out of the market and will be replaced with a new one, even if the current model destroys everything for the price.
We'll see when the new generation comes, but as of now there's simply no performance reason to change it.
But anyway, that's not my point. Go read #874 again. My point is the GT-R would sell more (or be more expensive. In any case more revenue) if it had a ferrari badge, or if instead of Nissan it was a recognizable and dream-worthy brand such as Porsche.
Problem with discussing with 16 year olds about cars is they haven't put themselves in the position of owning a car you actually want instead of a daily driver, so for them it's all GT-Rs, Supras and 70s muscle cars until they break their bubble.
Automakers not only create new versions to keep them fresh. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is sales, and if the GT-R gets poor sales (to what they estimate. It's Nissan after all, not Ferrari) it'll be out of the market and will be replaced with a new one, even if the current model destroys everything for the price.
We'll see when the new generation comes, but as of now there's simply no performance reason to change it.
But anyway, that's not my point. Go read #874 again. My point is the GT-R would sell more (or be more expensive. In any case more revenue) if it had a ferrari badge, or if instead of Nissan it was a recognizable and dream-worthy brand such as Porsche.
Problem with discussing with 16 year olds about cars is they haven't put themselves in the position of owning a car you actually want instead of a daily driver, so for them it's all GT-Rs, Supras and 70s muscle cars until they break their bubble.
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That's the thing, R35 is dream worthy. You go round ask hundred of people and ask what they would want in there perfect 5 car garage, 80% would have a GTR, in the past R34 was great but unknown. Between r31-34 wasn't long but each was more an upgrade of the last rather than new car, r33 had r32 basic build. R34 had r33 engine (little less tuned obv) looked similar and performed similar. R35 came in with a bang, every mag, review, comparison had the GTR. The game changer.... The new GODZILLA.
10 years ago, Lamborghini or Ferrari may have been the dream cars but now dream cars are bugattis, keonigsegg or paganis. But around 50-200. GTR is the people's choice, figures show that. Reviews say that. Top gear say that. Gallardo replacement is gunning for 458 and mp5 as they had to up there game due to the Japanese invasion. GTR is top dog against Porsche turbo, R8 v10, and anything in that group. Times change, ferrari and lambos faces have changed and sos there clientele. Deal with it.
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Sadly, I have to side with Avens on this one. I may be only 17, but I know what car ownership is like. I have my own 1990 GMC Sierra SLX Shortbox/Short cab and I pretty much put it together with my dad.
The problem with the GT-R is that it isn't recognizable enough. Sure, I can tell what it is from a mile off, but that's because I'm a total car freak. I can tell what the difference between each of the '60s Fiat 500s are, but that's not the point. To any normal person, it looks like just another Nissan. Of course their eyes will widen when you put your foot down, but that's not the point. You never get the chance to do that.
Now, Ferrari, or Porsche, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Lamborghini, or hell, even Corvette is unmistakable. You can't mistake them for any other. They definitely separate themselves from the rest of the pack in every way, not just in performance. And that's what the GT-R lacks; other than all the speed, it's just another Nissan. And let's be honest, how often is anyone going to break the law these days? Not often...
Oh, and I forgot to mention that the GT-R has the approximate aerodynamic efficiency of a four-story apartment complex. Ever wonder why it's only been limited to 200 mph, while the $60,000 Shelby GT500 can hit 205? That's why xD
The problem with the GT-R is that it isn't recognizable enough. Sure, I can tell what it is from a mile off, but that's because I'm a total car freak. I can tell what the difference between each of the '60s Fiat 500s are, but that's not the point. To any normal person, it looks like just another Nissan. Of course their eyes will widen when you put your foot down, but that's not the point. You never get the chance to do that.
Now, Ferrari, or Porsche, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Lamborghini, or hell, even Corvette is unmistakable. You can't mistake them for any other. They definitely separate themselves from the rest of the pack in every way, not just in performance. And that's what the GT-R lacks; other than all the speed, it's just another Nissan. And let's be honest, how often is anyone going to break the law these days? Not often...
Oh, and I forgot to mention that the GT-R has the approximate aerodynamic efficiency of a four-story apartment complex. Ever wonder why it's only been limited to 200 mph, while the $60,000 Shelby GT500 can hit 205? That's why xD
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Well I got some bad news for you. The GT-R isn't immortal to 'ole Nissan.
Interesting statistics, I'd like to see your sources. In the case of comparing the sales of Ferrari to the GT-R, I'd like to add an asterisk. Ferrari is very strict on it's sales policies to ensure it's brand remains exclusive. I'm sure that if they were more lenient, we'd see Ferrari's everywhere given their popularity. But you can't just waltz into a dealership and buy the brand new Ferrari parked on the lot, let alone order one to your specification. You need to first be a former Ferrari owner (gotta buy used) and then you get on the waiting list. By "waiting list" I mean that some of the current 458 owners probably ordered an F430 or even a 360 Modena. Ferrari works differently.
EDIT: Oh look Ferrari averages around 6,000 sales a year. According to the Fiat Group Annual reports (the sources of all those numbers). So in the last four years, Ferrari has sold 24,XXX cars to Nissan's 6,000 GT-R's. To be fair though, that's comparing multiple cars to one, but hey, you brought it up.
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I hope not; I hate it when people do that out of fanboyism.
And just to make it clear, I don't have something against the GT-R. I'll admit it's extremely fast, but that's all it is. My friends have all had terrible issues with Nissan "Quality", and from what I've read, the GT-R is no different.
Personally, I'd rather put that $100k toward a Ford GT, if my avatar didn't make that clear enough xD
And just to make it clear, I don't have something against the GT-R. I'll admit it's extremely fast, but that's all it is. My friends have all had terrible issues with Nissan "Quality", and from what I've read, the GT-R is no different.
Personally, I'd rather put that $100k toward a Ford GT, if my avatar didn't make that clear enough xD
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That's cuz A. So it user and everyday friendly and B. Emissions rubbish. I was never a fight against Ferrari or Lamborghini. Avens made it that. It's main rivals was Porsche 911 turbo and r8 like I said and guess what........ Not mainly people could tell them apart from a boxter or TT either. Ferrari only do super cars, same with lambo, Aston etc. not one Mag, TV program etc compare it that way. Yes it may not be as recognisable but kids no what it is, and women no what it is. You under estimate it. 4 years ago maybe but now.... Not so much. You could say the same about lexus LFA but didn't they sell out through preorders?!?!?
Btw I never leave an argument, if I'm wrong I'd say but even in europe, GTR is very very popular, there's 7 in my area after all
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People also say the GT-r is a relatively boring car to drive in comparison to lambos, ferraris, heck even camaros. What's the point of a supercar that's not as fun to drive? I respect the GTr for its technical achievements, but all in all it's not a Ferrari or lamborgini, it just doesn't have that X-factor that others companies have perfected. It may be fast and it may be cheap, but in my mind it's a pointless car. I believe they took the wrong approach to making a supercar, they made it faster then it is fun, same issue people have with the mp4-12c. And if you don't believe me, I'm sure I can whip out a few quotes.Youngun
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Says it all in your name really, again everyone bring veyron, in to it. It has no rival even the ssc aero only has speed on it, nothing else. Only don't talk trash about American cars, I just say there simple and good at what they are. Do they have 4seats, no. Does it have a big boot, no. Could it get 20+ mpg, doubtful. GTRs are cheaper than ZR1s over here, the latest more powerful better handling one hasn't been round yet I don't think (it has no record, radical sr3 does if memory serves). Well, AMS alpha 12 GTR is an 8 sec 1/4 Gtr and is still a 4 seater saloon car. Now that impressive. Jeremy Clarkson likes the ZR1 but owns s SLK Black (do idea why) and so do I but GTR is best all round car on the planet. I guess I've been brought up around a different sort of car.
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And whoever started to compare a GTR to a Ferrari is wrong, 2 different markets. GTR was never designed to have an xfactor. It was the Technical Achievement that made it great, the r34 Gtr never had the x factor but still one of the best Japanese cars ever. It wasn't built as a super car the same way the LFA was built, it was built with perfection in mind, user-friendliness and a daily travel, I would compare it more to the Mitsubishi Evo X than a Ferrari. European supercars have crafted there cars through history and motor sport, Nissan has do t the same but a different motor sport and much later. Ie all the GTR GT500 cars we have in game. I think Americans, no offence what so ever, have different views from Europeans. It's like NASCAR and f1, both very different but both very similar from a different point of view.
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The Alpha isn't even a production car and the Radical isn't street legal. Why not compare it to an F1 car then?
By the way. This was a world record for production car on drag radial tires.
And apparently this wasn't a record but was damn close as it only finished 2nd behind the (not the GTR) Porsche GT2 RS which is noted here... http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...ime-just-off-porsche-gt2-rs-record-video.html
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Radical is road legal, All of them are. In same class as Caterham, aerial and Ktm track cars. I was just saying for £150k, for veyron performance, even if aftermarket plus still use it everyday is an impressive package.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nürburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times
My mistake, SR8 not SR3. Plus LFA is right behind ACR, the LFA is an actual rival to a Ferrari or Lambo.
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