GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[newmedia_dev]

Really? That is interesting re. the BB. Yes I run it at the back so I can rotate but never though of it the way you lay it out. TC1 and 2 are very different, I qualify with TC1 but in race, on RM, I struggle not to turn her around exiting turn 2, 4 and 5. I might practice though as I am unlikely to qualify faster so will have 5 mins between races.

This is the thing if you search the forum I have posted many many many times about this.

Brake bias is a tool, but for ultimate or even just consistent times you want all the braking concentrated to the front, loads of engineering reasons why there are big brakes at the front and smaller ones at the back, this is true of most race cars as well.

It’s why the front end geometry is designed to dig and turn, it just can’t do full brake and full turn at the same time. This is why having BB to the front gives you more direct adjustability. Trail braking feels more natural as the car will start to turn sharper, mid corner adjustment is easier as you can put grip on the turning wheels more directly.

This whole running bias to the back thing is weird, maybe it’s a GT7 thing but typically you move braking to the back for flatter geometry, the front brakes and wheel still do all the work it’s about corner entry pre turn profile of the car to keep it flatter. But where you can you’d typically want to run the majority of your braking to the front…the same as a motorbike…

Edit: for motorbikes you typically use the rear brake for stability, what you don’t use it for is cornering, especially turn in, more for exit angle adjustment or stability. But mostly never, you use the big front brake and suspension and you feed it in compressing the front end, adding angle (rotation) and you let the rear grip unloaded and fire out. It’s the same with Gr3 and 2 cars

 

[NevilleNobody]

I think BB at the rear is a reaction to the physics changes where they've dialed in a little more understeer and folks are desperately trying to get the car rotated.

On a related topic, I am practicing MT and it feels great, i feel really hooked up but solid half a second off my best AT times. I suspect i am focussing too much on gears and not on pushing that last 1pc.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I think BB at the rear is a reaction to the physics changes where they've dialed in a little more understeer and folks are desperately trying to get the car rotated.

I’ll be honest mate, I’ve accidentally left my BB 0 and ended up 200th in the world…

Physics aside braking and accelerating are physics agnostic. Also you will start to get in to a habit of over “downshifting” for “rotation” get out of that habit and work on breaking and carrying speed. Don’t make things busy, brake more, take a higher gear if you can to ride the acceleration. Don’t be doing loads of braking, shifting accelerating close together. Phases, brake, setup, turn and power

Edit:

On the understeer thing, the cars don’t understeer more. Just people have to learn to stop making them understeer, so probably accelerate more appropriately or brake in more linear ways.

Cars understeer because you want them to have more grip than they can offer.

It’s a driving style or inability to manage grip vs acceleration and handling. Those that we see moan most are more than capable of moaning less and adjusting more.

 

[Voodoovaj]

On the understeer thing, the cars don’t understeer more. Just people have to learn to stop making them understeer, so probably accelerate more appropriately or brake in more linear ways.

Cars understeer because you want them to have more grip than they can offer.

I agree with most of what you said except this part. A great example is this week's Race B and the BMW vs the Lexus.

There's something happening (at least with the controller) that is interrupting the input in different ways for different cars. You can see this in the little red dot that tells you the steering angle. With the Lexus, there is less steering response compared to the BMW. It isn't "understeering", it's NOT steering.

The steering input reacts better with the BMW. It turns more at a given speed. The Lexus is cumbersome to turn and I need to slow more for the steering angle to increase. It's annoying. I'd much rather deal with actual understeer.

 

[Stilva]

I decided to set a new quick time at Watkins Glen and got to a 1:46.7XX which got me out of the back of the grid and more towards the front.

Race 1 has me P7 on the grid. I pass 2 cars, and have a clean race then finish P5. Nothing of note happened where I was. Just some good racing.

My 2nd race has me P6 this time. I get caught up in some door banging and fall to P13 as I could not get back in line quickly. So, I bide my time and get back to P9 when 2 cars get together and spin. I knew it was going to happen and I took full advantage. The race wasn't dirty, just sloppy and poor decision making from everyone, me included.



Race 3 has me in P5 and another good clean race. The pole sitter drops to the back and whatever, I'll take a free spot. A spin of a driver ahead of me puts me in P3. I try and pass P2 but I can't get it done. I might have gotten them in the esses as I was along them, but I back out as I thought better of it.

It feels good to have some positive finishes for a change at my "home" track and getting my DR back up a bit.

 

[Chris30]

I decided to set a new quick time at Watkins Glen and got to a 1:46.7XX which got me out of the back of the grid and more towards the front.

Race 1 has me P7 on the grid. I pass 2 cars, and have a clean race then finish P5. Nothing of note happened where I was. Just some good racing.

My 2nd race has me P6 this time. I get caught up in some door banging and fall to P13 as I could not get back in line quickly. So, I bide my time and get back to P9 when 2 cars get together and spin. I knew it was going to happen and I took full advantage. The race wasn't dirty, just sloppy and poor decision making from everyone, me included.



Race 3 has me in P5 and another good clean race. The pole sitter drops to the back and whatever, I'll take a free spot. A spin of a driver ahead of me puts me in P3. I try and pass P2 but I can't get it done. I might have gotten them in the esses as I was along them, but I back out as I thought better of it.

It feels good to have some positive finishes for a change at my "home" track and getting my DR back up a bit.

That was a good clean pass, it looked like those two cars you were talking about had a mishap. I really miss racing at the Glen track, I had so much fun and pleasure racing with my opponents and friends in the A/B races there. Good memories for me. Sometimes I dream about it. What is your SR/DR rating now? The best I could do was get a high-C, but I had to finish 8-10 races in 5-9th position. That's funny how some cars ghost or stutter at the beginning of the race that way you can get a free spot of 2 without much effort. Maybe we can do a few online lobbies in the future. The timezones may vary because I live in NC.

 

[Chris30]

Has any website shown what tracks/cars will be featured next week? Used to back then a few months after gt7 was originally released to the public, Nenkai gave us all the info at the end of the week. I'm certain many of you remember him/her giving us the info from Twitter. The only thing I don't enjoy in Sport Mode is having to deal with any contact or shortcut penalties. Because once I serve it, people can pass me with flying colors. Frustrating.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Has any website shown what tracks/cars will be featured next week? Used to back then a few months after gt7 was originally released to the public, Nenkai gave us all the info at the end of the week. I'm certain many of you remember him/her giving us the info from Twitter.

It’s no longer available Chris sadly PD changed the code from public to private.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Interesting races at LM last night, a little frustrating as I twice had qualy laps on pace for a sub 1.40 only to spin at bankiboi trying to get greedy The actual racing mid pack in A/A+ rooms was interesting though, not a lot of action because we are all so close on pace but the ebb and flow of gaps made it feel like a real motor race not a video game so to speak. Guys are very consistent to say the least and you really learn where you are fast and where your peers are gapping you.

Generally started P10-12 and finished P6 to P9 driving as hard as I can for 12 laps. Most guys trying to be clean, just the odd one barging through but generally pretty good.

I'd love a race with a sweet handling but lower powered car, usually that's the Miata Touring car but I am thinking the original BMW M3 for example.

 

[brockie]

Managed another win today, first day of 11 off and squeezing a few here there where I can,

Was a tough first lap but in the end there was a nice gap so the tension didn’t last long

Definitely tough going at WG, very hard to over take so it’s top 5 mostly for me

 

[Barney Da Dog]

Hell of a time from @newmedia_dev on Race B - I've improved by 3 tenths but still not even visible on my friends list (maybe I should delete a few 🤔 )
Two more tenths would put me around 5th, and possibly starting in the top 10. My DR increased a lot last week, dropping now, but still starting dead last in most B races.
Edit/ Weirdly, I find the BMW easier to drive with TC off?? I usually have it at TC1 but it seems to lose grip very suddenly with that.

I did Race C yesterday, and my qualy time was slower than the race fastest lap! It was D.Chafe though - lapping 2 seconds a lap quicker on average. I'm not liking Gr2 so much with the new physics - feels too grippy and less on edge, which I quite liked previously.

 

[Gerarghini]

Is there a meta car for this track or am I just getting thrown in lobbies that are half BMWs either that or this track refuses to come to me. EVERY corner feels like I'm understeering into the barriers and I CANNOT hit turn 1 smoothly to save my life.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Is there a meta car for this track or am I just getting thrown in lobbies that are half BMWs either that or this track refuses to come to me. EVERY corner feels like I'm understeering into the barriers and I CANNOT hit turn 1 smoothly to save my life.

T1 at Watkins is exactly like T1 at RedBull ring, you brake at the marker you lift off to turn and you accelerate through.

Except these specific corners really reward driving through them so you have to be going slow enough to get the exit angle to do that. Brake earlier and learn to cone off it a bit.

It is mostly the BMW cup though

 

[brockie]

Is there a meta car for this track or am I just getting thrown in lobbies that are half BMWs either that or this track refuses to come to me. EVERY corner feels like I'm understeering into the barriers and I CANNOT hit turn 1 smoothly to save my life.

Check the global leaderboard times on the settings screen prior to qualifying and it will give you an idea of the meta each week the top drivers are using, and everybody else generally 😁

 

[brockie]

The leaderboard is starting to spread out in the familiar way

Bravo guys, the 1.44 sure alien to me, so is low 1.45s to be honest, but great efforts out there

Edit. Managed to squeeze a little more out of my QT after figuring out the 1st to 3rd gear changing on the last few corners

 

[Voodoovaj]

The leaderboard is starting to spread out in the familiar way

Bravo guys, the 1.44 sure alien to me, so is low 1.45s to be honest, but great efforts out there

Edit. Managed to squeeze a little more out of my QT after figuring out the 1st to 3rd gear changing on the last few corners

Add me to your list. I hate being left out

 

[Barney Da Dog]

The leaderboard is starting to spread out in the familiar way

Bravo guys, the 1.44 sure alien to me, so is low 1.45s to be honest, but great efforts out there

Edit. Managed to squeeze a little more out of my QT after figuring out the 1st to 3rd gear changing on the last few corners

The times are very close! I bloomin hate the BMW - in the races I've used the GTR, as it feels far less like it wants to crash. I've been gaining positions only due BMWs crashing or getting penalties.

 

[newmedia_dev]

The times are very close! I bloomin hate the BMW - in the races I've used the GTR, as it feels far less like it wants to crash. I've been gaining positions only due BMWs crashing or getting penalties.

I’m using the BMW I’m throwing away places like no tomorrow because I’m crashing or picking up penalties.

So you are definitely right 🤣

 

[TheNormsk]

I did some late night US, early morning racing on the Euro lobbies. Tried the M6 for QT and beat my Lexus time on the VR account pretty easily 🤔

A great example is this week's Race B and the BMW vs the Lexus.

I must agree with this. The M6 turns in a lot easier though I never really had an issue with the Lexus.

First race and holy smokes! What a mixed lobby.

…and it’s ferocious. The group in front of me is all over the place. In one case I tap one and send them off, so I wait up and yield the place. Still, it’s chaos ahead of me, but I’m finding I’m being slowed but can’t pass as the three in front are trading blows and going 2, 3 wide through turns. Somehow penalties ultimately helped me pass that mess and I finished 12th. Funnily I got clean race, even though I punted someone.

Next race was a full B lobby. This one was good, starting third with good action up front. Ended 2nd and P5 behind me winning.

Then switched back over to the US VR account an wrung out some QT with the M6. I took another .3 of off but not sure now how to find more time.



Yeah I know. Brake later (or earlier), carry more speed, accelerate sooner, be a better driver…. Yeah, yeah. Yeah

@newmedia_dev any tips? I found running BB -2 was best for me.

 

[Barney Da Dog]

I’m using the BMW I’m throwing away places like no tomorrow because I’m crashing or picking up penalties.

So you are definitely right 🤣

Race pace seems very similar, but each race is bit of a procession though unfortunately - just hoping someone makes a mistake

 

[TheNormsk]

each race is bit of a procession though unfortunately - just hoping someone makes a mistake

I find this. Watkins Glen is pretty hard to pass on so if you’re not near the top of the pack, it’s gonna be very hard to make progress.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

For anybody wondering, it is possible to do a 360 in race A and hang on to the lead 👌

 

[newmedia_dev]

Yeah I know. Brake later (or early lower), carry more speed, accelerate sooner, be a better driver…. Yeah, yeah. Yeah

@newmedia_dev any tips? I found running BB -2 was best for me.

You seem to pretty much on the mark everywhere.

The only differences I can see compared to me are I run BB 3 to the front but this can be a style pref thing.

I dont drop to 3rd on fast laps or if I can help it in the bus stop (if I drop to 3rd I’ve either cocked it up or bouncing to much). I stay in forth and carry more coasted speed but its marginal.

The only other main differences are for the up hill I brake a little more gently and longer before swapping to 3rd and on it partially a fraction sooner.

The right hander coming out of the boot I drop to second to turn in but straight back up to third, but this can cause you to push wider if you don’t have the angle right or hit the run off curb at the wrong steering angle.

Your lap is fast mate, we are only talking a few 1/100ths so probably not a lot I can say other than the bustop you are dropping time there.

 

[brockie]

@Voodoovaj added you up and I’ll post a new leaderboard and I’ll keep the wooden spoon safe and sound 😉

@Barney Da Dog I started off with the GTR as it felt better but as soon as I switched to the BM the racing came alive, basically second half of the lap you’re shifting down to 2nd on turns 6 & 7 then short shifting to 3rd and down to 1st on 8 & 9 and doubling shifting to 3rd

@TheNormsk I settled with 0 BB after trying everything from -2 to +5 and digits track guide helped as did the number 1 time, especially braking late at T7 and throwing it right and up the hill

Great race circuit I have to say

There’s a little more time out there which I’ll go hunting for tomorrow morning

 

[newmedia_dev]

Yeah racing across my 3 accounts and the SR hits are turned up to 11.

Started pole on my US account, got out of it at the bus stop rode around in second picked up a 1s bus stop pen caught the leader and he let me passed at the end. Lost half of my SR bar.

Went to my EMEA alt, started 3rd no drama picked up a .5 pen exiting T1 backed off a few people tapped one person who panick braked but not hard enough for damage or to alter his or my line. SR down 2/3

Either I’m so unaware or something or lagging a teleporting in to people I can’t see or they have turned the dial up because it’s a GTWS day

Think I’m gonna call it a day, go outside and touch grass (now the wife has cut it 🤣) and enjoy this spring sunshine….

*she who must be obeyed has jobs to be done apparently.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Different topic, I see some of these streamers some how brute force their way to A/A+ (smaller streamers) and I think how in the hell can they do that when I’m a few pixels in to A and my lobbies are full of the peeps in the top 100.

And Naïf going from the back….ironically with no QT

Edit: this really bugged me, the guy said I put him in dirty air etc

 

[brockie]

Different topic, I see some of these streamers some how brute force their way to A/A+ (smaller streamers) and I think how in the hell can they do that when I’m a few pixels in to A and my lobbies are full of the peeps in the top 100.

And Naïf going from the back….ironically with no QT

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Edit: this really bugged me, the guy said I put him in dirty air etc

He had no right barging through there it wasn’t on and most likely would have ended like it did,

Dirty air? Well if he’s behind your tailpipe he would have been in dirty air

Poor move I’d say

 

[newmedia_dev]

He had no right barging through there it wasn’t on and most likely would have ended like it did,

Dirty air? Well if he’s behind your tailpipe he would have been in dirty air

Poor move I’d say

This is the thing I struggled with this was a mixed A/A+ lobby ignoring all the RTR argy bargy going on I thought I was running a clean race, left him room etc.

He told me to watch the replay, so I did and well here we are….then he told me to stop crying and deal with it….ooooook I’d let it go if it was a bit crossed wires etc racing incident and let’s be honest we have all been a bit thirsty.

But nah, and no offence to anyone but this is a mixed A/A+ lobby which I shouldn’t be in and this guy has more lights on his dash than my christmas tree. At this point I don’t know if I’m racing him, the computer or some sort of weaponised assists. Cheeeeeus

 

[brockie]

Stop crying, that’d make me want to ring his neck alone 😁