GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[NevilleNobody]

Struggled with the Atenza at Daily Race A, too much understeer for my liking. So decided to hotlap the F430 instead. Decent lap in the mid 1.40s, 3rd best F430 time right now. Surprising to see how high up the time was though. Car is grippy & fun to drive. 🏁

Hotlap & parts used at 10.50-15.00 marker. The car is widebodied & wheels widened too.

Good god this is a tune! I am on the 130th fastest global time and I went half a second faster in the race! I am cruising around in the 41s, won 5 from 5 tonight.

I did add some front wing and removed some rear for better balance.

 

[samppa_944]

Good god this is a tune! I am on the 130th fastest global time and I went half a second faster in the race! I am cruising around in the 41s, won 5 from 5 tonight.

I did add some front wing and removed some rear for better balance.

Thanks. Yeah that car is so grippy for a rwd car, feels like a touring car but with worse tires. That's just a quick tune btw, so not entirely sure about optimized suspension in terms of camber and damping etc. Although I doubt you can do that much, maximizing hp and having enough aero and as little weight as possible is more important though. Gearbox could use some further tweaks I think.

I feel like PD just stopping the detuning of cars to meet PP requirements would solve a lot of the balance issues with tuning open races.

I personally imposed on myself the idea of only taking cars below the PP limit and tuning up, as I feel its more in line with what the spirit of GT is, and frankly its fun taking different cars and seeing what can be done. Currently getting mid 1:43 in a Suzuki Cap. Keeping up with people using cars that exploit the PP system is satisfying, but there's also something severely wrong with getting blatantly outpaced by Jeeps and Ford Raptors around a circuit.

The game's physics in regards to drivetrain reminds me of those arguments JDM nerds get into on the internet: Kaz has just said 4WD is king and built a whole game around that philosophy.

Decent shout otherwise but the Atenza is below the 450pp marker stock. If only below 450pp cars were allowed we would lose some of the good stuff, like the X-bow, GTRs, Imprezas or F430. Detuning cars gives more variety to the races. This is a bigger issue though in the higher pp races like 700pp and 800pp especially with strategies, since detuned cars tend to have better fuel economy than non detuned cars or tuned up cars.

The issue is that slapping some higher front ride height and lower rear ride height shouldn't quite improve the handling of some cars the way it does, nor should it lower the pp value either.

I will say if you want more of a fun race this week, but still a chance to race near the top spots/mid pack, having a car that does lap times in 1.43s-1.45s is what you should be aiming for. Faster than that like a low 1.41 or faster and you are flying away from most of the others.

 

[drumbeg]

Also I got some massive complaints by a random countryman like why are you in the meta car, what is the fun in that, what's the point when DR doesn't go up (this I do not care about as much as winning though when my DR is accurate enough so an odd thing to say) please change cars etc. What a crybaby that person was. 😁

So I decided to block that person after he spammed for a bit on my messages. It's not my fault if the game decides certain weird tuning tweaks and certain cars are going to be op 🤷 Plus good times to get a few wins, not easy to get wins in sport mode, unless you are a very good driver or you tank your driver rating etc.

It's called sportsmanship.

Some will try take advantage of flaws within the game in order to get wins. The game allows this. It's not cheating. Yet, I would say, you would be in the minority if this is how you play the game. In a way, I wish these wins on Race A did affect DR, because artificially inflating your DR will lead to a tougher time in the future as you are pitted against better drivers.

Each of us race with a different perspective of course. Some just want to win at all costs, but luckily, the game doesn't really reward this in any meaningful way. Win stats are very low key. I think this is partly what keeps a lot of people honest.

 

[pennanton]

Thanks. Yeah that car is so grippy for a rwd car, feels like a touring car but with worse tires. That's just a quick tune btw, so not entirely sure about optimized suspension in terms of camber and damping etc. Although I doubt you can do that much, maximizing hp and having enough aero and as little weight as possible is more important though. Gearbox could use some further tweaks I think.



Decent shout otherwise but the Atenza is below the 450pp marker stock. If only below 450pp cars were allowed we would lose some of the good stuff, like the X-bow, GTRs, Imprezas or F430. Detuning cars gives more variety to the races. This is a bigger issue though in the higher pp races like 700pp and 800pp especially with strategies, since detuned cars tend to have better fuel economy than non detuned cars or tuned up cars.

The issue is that slapping some higher front ride height and lower rear ride height shouldn't quite improve the handling of some cars the way it does, nor should it lower the pp value either.

I will say if you want more of a fun race this week, but still a chance to race near the top spots/mid pack, having a car that does lap times in 1.43s-1.45s is what you should be aiming for. Faster than that like a low 1.41 or faster and you are flying away from most of the others.

You're highlighting what's exactly the problem, 'X-bow, GTRs, Imprezas or F430' are above 450 out of the box, which is in my interpretation against the spirit of what's intended, I understand if you disagree, but to say it introduces variety when the leaderboard is dominated by handful of the same detuned cars minus the Mazda 6 isn't ideal, especially considering 90% of those are 4WD. I agree with your second point, as what prevents me from making my Cap even better is the PP calculation, which as per your suggestion, is already a low 43 car.

To be honest, I'd much rather PD focus on sorting out balance than introduce new content, as its a bit sad to introduce more when what's already there is 75% irrelevant and not constructive to fun in Sport Mode.

 

[Roggers]

You're highlighting what's exactly the problem, 'X-bow, GTRs, Imprezas or F430' are above 450 out of the box, which is in my interpretation against the spirit of what's intended, I understand if you disagree, but to say it introduces variety when the leaderboard is dominated by handful of the same detuned cars minus the Mazda 6 isn't ideal, especially considering 90% of those are 4WD. I agree with your second point, as what prevents me from making my Cap even better is the PP calculation, which as per your suggestion, is already a low 43 car.

In the races I completed all car apart from one was below the 450pp limit. those car I couldn't even compete with. The car that was above the PP limit that I pick was the Dodge Challenger, which was at 460. I fitted a sport computer and limited the power to meet the 450pp but it was still too slow compared to others. Think they should alter the rules to limit any stock cars that are above 450pp from entering, even if you detune it should be blocked.

To be honest, I'd much rather PD focus on sorting out balance than introduce new content, as its a bit sad to introduce more when what's already there is 75% irrelevant and not constructive to fun in Sport Mode.

Agree, It would be nice to get the stuff that people are having issue with sorted first.

 

[drumbeg]

In the races I completed all car apart from one was below the 450pp limit. those car I couldn't even compete with. The car that was above the PP limit that I pick was the Dodge Challenger, which was at 460. I fitted a sport computer and limited the power to meet the 450pp but it was still too slow compared to others. Think they should alter the rules to limit any stock cars that are above 450pp from entering, even if you detune it should be blocked.


Agree, It would be nice to get the stuff that people are having issue with sorted first.

I think this is a good way forwards. Exclude vehicles based on their stock PP.

If PD then want to add more variety, they can increase the PP limit. They can have any limit they want and even have ranges. 500pp-600pp for example.

What we need is more daily races. Not just 3. Then we have a lot more scope to try different things.

 

[DeathGRiP]

Love the Race A format is good to be able to drive some off the LCD cars went from 7 to 17 sport races today just having a bit off fun wasn't looking for a win but got to drive the alfa 8C 2900B Lungo Berlinetta, S Barker Tourer, Sambabus Type 2, both old nissan Fairlady Zs, DeLorean S2 and a few races in a fully tuned Willys MB the old jeep was a lot off fun to drive was drifting around every corner @ 1.50 a lap it wasn't the fastest car but was fun to drive but went from around 5th start to 2nd or 3rd finish every race gonna try out a heap off other fun to drive old cars tomorrow this is the way sport mode should be every week, I had so much fun tuning cars and hunting out good livery's in the 7 or 8 minutes ya get between each race

 

[Talon16]

Been doing some Daily Bs on my burner account. It's actually really fun to just try some different cars and mess around without worrying about finishing position. I am just starting from last, as I planed to do for the week... until my dumbass went into autopilot and finished a qualifying lap. Even after slamming the brakes before the s/f line, still finished the lap and now starting mid-pack.

So far, other than the Supra, I am liking the Vette & Jag. If I recall, the Jag you can just go. With the Vette you need to shift at like 6k rpm on fuel mix 1 and it'll make it. Or you can try fuel mix 2 and rev it out, not sure which is quicker. I want to try the Mustang as well.

Did some MR cars and for all intents and purposes, they're still worthless. The McLaren 650 drives really well, but is slow on the straights. The Ford GT, Alfa, McLaren F1, Renault all suck. I just can't wrap my head around the slow speed corners. Take a turn at 20mph and the without any gas or brakes, it just spins out. The Alfa might be the worst car in the game; not only does it handle like crap I also had to fuel save! WTF? Is its gas tank the size of a thimble?

The burner account is keeping me interested. Just doing enough Cafes to unlock tracks to do their CEs for $ for Sport Mode. Might jump on the main account today and do some more at Spa.

 

[DeathGRiP]

Thanks. Yeah that car is so grippy for a rwd car, feels like a touring car but with worse tires. That's just a quick tune btw, so not entirely sure about optimized suspension in terms of camber and damping etc. Although I doubt you can do that much, maximizing hp and having enough aero and as little weight as possible is more important though. Gearbox could use some further tweaks I think.



Decent shout otherwise but the Atenza is below the 450pp marker stock. If only below 450pp cars were allowed we would lose some of the good stuff, like the X-bow, GTRs, Imprezas or F430. Detuning cars gives more variety to the races. This is a bigger issue though in the higher pp races like 700pp and 800pp especially with strategies, since detuned cars tend to have better fuel economy than non detuned cars or tuned up cars.

The issue is that slapping some higher front ride height and lower rear ride height shouldn't quite improve the handling of some cars the way it does, nor should it lower the pp value either.

I will say if you want more of a fun race this week, but still a chance to race near the top spots/mid pack, having a car that does lap times in 1.43s-1.45s is what you should be aiming for. Faster than that like a low 1.41 or faster and you are flying away from most of the others.

done 4 or 5 races in the old Willys MB it was well under the 450pp but man it was fun to drive and was getting 2nd n 3rd place in it starting at 5th to 7th fastest lap times i could get were bout 1:50 but it seemed to keep up pretty good with the GTR.s. ya don't gotta win the race to have fun, i find driving fun to drive cars is better than winning

They want to get more people onto the sport mode the Race A is what we need more off 450pp, 500pp, 600pp and a 700pp-800pp race every week. Just being able to drive all the different cars is a lot more fun than the gr3 and gr4 races. I had so much fun doing the Race A today driving a few LCD cars that cost a heap off credits wasn't looking for wins but man they were fun to drive, PD need to make 4 or 5 races every week with the road cars like Race A this week.

 

[samppa_944]

You're highlighting what's exactly the problem, 'X-bow, GTRs, Imprezas or F430' are above 450 out of the box, which is in my interpretation against the spirit of what's intended, I understand if you disagree, but to say it introduces variety when the leaderboard is dominated by handful of the same detuned cars minus the Mazda 6 isn't ideal, especially considering 90% of those are 4WD. I agree with your second point, as what prevents me from making my Cap even better is the PP calculation, which as per your suggestion, is already a low 43 car.

To be honest, I'd much rather PD focus on sorting out balance than introduce new content, as its a bit sad to introduce more when what's already there is 75% irrelevant and not constructive to fun in Sport Mode.

It is good to highlight the problems so that PD actually fixes the pp system. If you read my previous comments, I said it shouldn't be possible to get some cars work with the ride height tweaking.

The game does not differentiate between different ride heights of the cars, therefore I am doing nothing wrong, opposite to what some of you seem to imply. Therefore it is pointless to moan about this.

If some F1 teams used a turbocharged V8 when FIA forgot to ban the engine, is it the teams fault? No. It is literally the same thing.

You can use the meta cars, or don't use those. Up to you. But don't moan about the meta users then when you are not yourself using a meta car. That is your choice and a meta user is not doing anything illegal. What is not illegal is allowed. Bad sportsmanship is ramming and such. Using any legal car that the rules allow is not bad sportsmanship.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

Been doing some Daily Bs on my burner account. It's actually really fun to just try some different cars and mess around without worrying about finishing position. I am just starting from last, as I planed to do for the week... until my dumbass went into autopilot and finished a qualifying lap. Even after slamming the brakes before the s/f line, still finished the lap and now starting mid-pack.

So far, other than the Supra, I am liking the Vette & Jag. If I recall, the Jag you can just go. With the Vette you need to shift at like 6k rpm on fuel mix 1 and it'll make it. Or you can try fuel mix 2 and rev it out, not sure which is quicker. I want to try the Mustang as well.

Did some MR cars and for all intents and purposes, they're still worthless. The McLaren 650 drives really well, but is slow on the straights. The Ford GT, Alfa, McLaren F1, Renault all suck. I just can't wrap my head around the slow speed corners. Take a turn at 20mph and the without any gas or brakes, it just spins out. The Alfa might be the worst car in the game; not only does it handle like crap I also had to fuel save! WTF? Is its gas tank the size of a thimble?

The burner account is keeping me interested. Just doing enough Cafes to unlock tracks to do their CEs for $ for Sport Mode. Might jump on the main account today and do some more at Spa.

Did you do a race in the F1? I tried it in TT and it literally took me 3 attempts to get past the chicane before the start

 

[samppa_944]

done 4 or 5 races in the old Willys MB it was well under the 450pp but man it was fun to drive and was getting 2nd n 3rd place in it starting at 5th to 7th fastest lap times i could get were bout 1:50 but it seemed to keep up pretty good with the GTR.s. ya don't gotta win the race to have fun, i find driving fun to drive cars is better than winning

For me it is a mix of both. I finally get a good lap time so hell yeah I am gonna cash in on that.

That being said, trying to find a few 1.43-45 pace cars to race with. So far I have a 1.44.5 R5 turbo.

 

[NAXEHT]

For me it is a mix of both. I finally get a good lap time so hell yeah I am gonna cash in on that.

That being said, trying to find a few 1.43-45 pace cars to race with. So far I have a 1.44.5 R5 turbo.

If the statistics looked like this, would you still cash in?

NO DR/SR RACES:
Clean Races
Fastest Laps
Pole Positions
Races
Victories

DR/SR RACES:
Clean Races
Fastest Laps
Pole Positions
Races
Victories

 

[Talon16]

Did you do a race in the F1? I tried it in TT and it literally took me 3 attempts to get past the chicane before the start

I tried, but quit out. I was able to save it through the chicane, but lost it completely thru T1. Braking point was good, turn in was good, line was good, but as soon as it hit the apex around it went and into the pit exit wall.

 

[NevilleNobody]

For me it is a mix of both. I finally get a good lap time so hell yeah I am gonna cash in on that.

That being said, trying to find a few 1.43-45 pace cars to race with. So far I have a 1.44.5 R5 turbo.

Try the Radical, nice and grippy and runs 44s in my hands anyway. The 430 is a bit too fast, i was winning by 20 seconds at times.

Re. more daily races, 3 is plenty, fields are too thin to begin with.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Oh, the penalty system and SR ratings. Again.

Last weeks chaos Daily Races B and my stubborn insistence to try again and again brought me down from SR S to SR B. With some clean races B this week I got back to SR A. Then I had four more rather clean races, three with CRB, in which I backed out of anything smelling like possible contact, and was hoping to get back to S again (thought I must be close already).

But in my only race today I had a track limit penalty of 0.5 and one more penalty for 2.0 when I hit another car from behind which was braking waaay ahead of la source (still my fault, of course), and just like that, I'm back to SR B. Oh, what a horrible hooligan driver I am... Do I even have to mention that I get punted twice too, without the other cars getting penalized?

OK, rant over. Greetings everyone.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

I tried, but quit out. I was able to save it through the chicane, but lost it completely thru T1. Braking point was good, turn in was good, line was good, but as soon as it hit the apex around it went and into the pit exit wall.

Yeah it just goes without any input at all like it’s on ice. Such a shame as was my favourite car in GTS.

 

[D_Dragline]

I tried race A to see how much fun I could have with my road cars. The answer was; none.

I stupidly just thought I’d grab whatever I had that was close to 450PP with comfort softs. This turned out to be the Alpine A110. It is undriveable in its stock setup. There is uncontrollable lift off oversteer and the damn thing unbalances at every elevation change. Once I got lapped by the entire field I gave up and quit. I find tuning races to be frustrating and tedious. In theory they’re fine, they’re just not my thing.

 

[drumbeg]

You can use the meta cars, or don't use those. Up to you. But don't moan about the meta users then when you are not yourself using a meta car. That is your choice and a meta user is not doing anything illegal. What is not illegal is allowed. Bad sportsmanship is ramming and such. Using any legal car that the rules allow is not bad sportsmanship.

Is there even a meta car for Race A without taking advantage of tuning exploits?

How about using an exploit such as the shortcut between the barriers that was possible a couple of months ago in Race A? Technically within the rules, yet clearly not sportsmanlike.

I'd put it in the same bracket as tuning exploits.

 

[PirovacBoy]

Been doing some Daily Bs on my burner account. It's actually really fun to just try some different cars and mess around without worrying about finishing position. I am just starting from last, as I planed to do for the week... until my dumbass went into autopilot and finished a qualifying lap. Even after slamming the brakes before the s/f line, still finished the lap and now starting mid-pack.

So far, other than the Supra, I am liking the Vette & Jag. If I recall, the Jag you can just go. With the Vette you need to shift at like 6k rpm on fuel mix 1 and it'll make it. Or you can try fuel mix 2 and rev it out, not sure which is quicker. I want to try the Mustang as well.

Did some MR cars and for all intents and purposes, they're still worthless. The McLaren 650 drives really well, but is slow on the straights. The Ford GT, Alfa, McLaren F1, Renault all suck. I just can't wrap my head around the slow speed corners. Take a turn at 20mph and the without any gas or brakes, it just spins out. The Alfa might be the worst car in the game; not only does it handle like crap I also had to fuel save! WTF? Is its gas tank the size of a thimble?

The burner account is keeping me interested. Just doing enough Cafes to unlock tracks to do their CEs for $ for Sport Mode. Might jump on the main account today and do some more at Spa.

I suggest you should try to drive the MR GT3 Cars with ABS set to Weak.
If you’re good enough on the Brakes and understand Trailbraking Techniques, you’ll see how much of a difference it makes.
At least that’s what I do and the difference is immediately noticeable.
You mentioned the Renault, right?!
It’s very capable around Spa due to its Turbo Engine. Same goes for the Citroen it’s very fast too.
I tried them both and they felt pretty solid.
The Alfa you mentioned is definitely a Joke, at least I’m not capable of extracting anything worth out of it 😅

 

[permaculture]

The game does not differentiate between different ride heights of the cars, therefore I am doing nothing wrong, opposite to what some of you seem to imply.

Bad sportsmanship is ramming and such.

so if the game doesn't flag a player for pushing another into the dirt, it was legal, therefore good sportsmanship?

i know that isn't the case, because there is a big flashing message saying 'dont do things that make you look bad'. while that is subjective, you've got a bunch of people in this forum suggesting that what you're doing makes you look bad. it doesn't excuse hate messages, of course, but it might be worth considering that what you're doing could be considered bad sportsmanship, and on-par with those exploiting the penalty system.

personally i just think its a little desperate, and hope most of those with the absurd squats are 15 years old or younger. i'm more fascinated than upset. its an unranked race, and the online statistics (aside from clean race-if that) are irrelevant when we've had 3 weeks of unranked dailies.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I find tuning races to be frustrating and tedious. In theory they’re fine, they’re just not my thing.

In general I agree. Even copying a tune is a right PITA. Because you need to know what to buy and the system is so damn clunky. It takes a solid hour to buy a car, tweak livery, buy parts and copy a tune. Tedious is the word.

 

[drumbeg]

My Ferrari 308 (450pp) can't match Willy's jeep (418pp) on Race A. Something feels off.

 

[Roggers]

If I set a quali time for the dailys can I delete this at all?

 

[samppa_944]

If the statistics looked like this, would you still cash in?

NO DR/SR RACES:
Clean Races
Fastest Laps
Pole Positions
Races
Victories

DR/SR RACES:
Clean Races
Fastest Laps
Pole Positions
Races
Victories

Yes. In fact I would do it even more if my DR went up, because means I get a chance to score more points in GTWS races. The driver rating balances itself out though in the end.

so if the game doesn't flag a player for pushing another into the dirt, it was legal, therefore good sportsmanship?

i know that isn't the case, because there is a big flashing message saying 'dont do things that make you look bad'. while that is subjective, you've got a bunch of people in this forum suggesting that what you're doing makes you look bad. it doesn't excuse hate messages, of course, but it might be worth considering that what you're doing could be considered bad sportsmanship, and on-par with those exploiting the penalty system.

personally i just think its a little desperate, and hope most of those with the absurd squats are 15 years old or younger. i'm more fascinated than upset. its an unranked race, and the online statistics (aside from clean race-if that) are irrelevant when we've had 3 weeks of unranked dailies.

No that's what I am saying, ramming and tuning is not the same thing in terms of sportsmanship.

And no I don't consider it bad, and I completely disagree with all your statements about it being comparable to taking penalties. If I am the only in the world who thinks like this (actually I am not just screenshot to a Discord league some of your comments here, mentioned that one Finnish complainer, and many of them in the league disagree with you btw), whatever.

I would never ram someone on purpose out of the blue, nor take shortcuts if I can get away with it. To me it's the GT7 lack of technical regulations and a poor pp system which is not the player's fault.

And the fact that there are literally so many cars that you can make into OP cars this week kinda defeats the purpose. I didn't use the Peugeot VGT weeks 1-2 at Deep Forest daily race B. To me that was different with only one meta car. But now we have what, a half a dozen of them meta cars if not more. Sounds more like something completely fine with the current irrational pp system. Don't cut PD slack in this please and make any meta user a scapegoat. That's not cool, nor fair.

I take wins where I can and in my races, with whatever legal car I want to drive. But I am starting to lose interest though, it is too easy. But again that's just me wanting more of a challenge. And also I get bored with the dailies quickly in general. Some weeks I don't even do the dailies, similar repetitive combos showing up just like in GTS, got boring there after a few hundred races. But I am glad we have the FIA/GTWS races, they are great. I predict Nations Cup round 6 to feature the brand new Watkins Glen, which we get in tomorrow's update.

 

[Mercia]

In general I agree. Even copying a tune is a right PITA. Because you need to know what to buy and the system is so damn clunky. It takes a solid hour to buy a car, tweak livery, buy parts and copy a tune. Tedious is the word.

Even just something simple like knowing if the cars in my garage have the right tires for a given race without having to select each one individually, all of this needs to be streamlined.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Even just something simple like knowing if the cars in my garage have the right tires for a given race without having to select each one individually, all of this needs to be streamlined.

The game is set up in very distinct silos, going from screen to screen, or silo to silo, is excruciating on a base PS4. There's no way to access or change things other than from said silo, extremely time consuming.

 

[Mercia]

The game is set up in very distinct silos, going from screen to screen, or silo to silo, is excruciating on a base PS4. There's no way to access or change things other than from said silo, extremely time consuming.

I've not played on PS4 but honestly it's not as zippy as I expected on PS5 to be honest, and I haven't had it long enough to have forgotten PS4 speeds.

I'm sure it's a lot more beneficial all told but even custom liveries take a second to load in when selecting cars in the garage for example.

While not game breaking it's these small issues I expected to be gone with the new tech.

 

[drumbeg]

I predict Nations Cup round 6 to feature the brand new Watkins Glen, which we get in tomorrow's update.

Oooh. Didn't know there was an update. Always nice. Hope they are addressing penalties.

 

[Talon16]

I suggest you should try to drive the MR GT3 Cars with ABS set to Weak.
If you’re good enough on the Brakes and understand Trailbraking Techniques, you’ll see how much of a difference it makes.
At least that’s what I do and the difference is immediately noticeable.
You mentioned the Renault, right?!
It’s very capable around Spa due to its Turbo Engine. Same goes for the Citroen it’s very fast too.
I tried them both and they felt pretty solid.
The Alfa you mentioned is definitely a Joke, at least I’m not capable of extracting anything worth out of it 😅

I can give it a try, but my experience is the MR cars hate trailbraking. That's where they spin like crazy. Maybe taking ABS off helps that. But, ABS has nothing to do with going through a slow corner, with no brakes or throttle applied, and the car just spins out.

The McLaren F1 is the only one I tried where I bailed on the race. I was out of the race in T1 lap 1 and never would've caught back up to try and race people, especially if it happened again which was basically a guarantee. The others were rough through the chicane often doing a 45* slide rather than a 90* slide. So it was "manageable" but I probably lost 2 seconds a lap just there.

ETA - There are ways to tune out a lot of the issues with MR cars, but in Dailys with BoP all of that goes away.