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Such a fun range of vehicles this is exactly what I imagined when they were bringing tuning back.

I'll probably have to wait to the weekend to race I hope there's not an overwhelming meta by that time.
I hope so too. Slim chance of it though, it's kinda the natural order of things. At least there's nothing on the line for that race, just your time and enjoyment!
 
Acted a fool this morning (EST)


It really hurts to see the current state of daily races :guilty:

Good that i‘m on holiday but i would be absolutely shocked if they don‘t change penalties with the next update.


1.15


…and hope that improvement is a good thing.But i have a feeling it will invite idiots to drive even more reckless now…
That‘s what i wrote back in may.Of course,you don‘t have to be a clairvoyant for this prediction.It‘s sadly just the current state of humanity.WAY too many reckless and egoistic muppets that take whatever they can if they don‘t face any consequences.Not a single bit of responsibility for their own actions,all they understand is rules,rules,rules.Some could argue there could be a lot of children involved but i doubt too many of them have the patience and/or consistent pace to make it deep into B/A/A+/S ranks.And what does it say about their upbringing anyway?Guess i‘m thinking too much this morning,it’s“just“ a game and i had no coffee yet 💩

/rant off
 
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What happened PD? Did they wake up this week and decide to inject some FUN into daily races?!

Race A is breath of fresh air. Finally, they are letting us utilise the features of the game and tune our way to a win. Race cars, classic cars, jeeps, sedans...all racing on a great track. It works PD. It's fun. Just do more of this please!

I've been racing in the Radical. Such a fun car on this track. Trying to get the tuning balance right is very involving.
 
I hope you know it yourself, your driving style was not that of a fool, but for me at least... in the highest form unsportsmanlike and by no means OK. You make countless mistakes, use up your tires in a very short time, making even more driving mistakes and making other drivers suffer by blocking them, pushing them off the track and so on.
I hope that you don't usually drive like this, but if you do, I feel sorry for everyone who is in a race with you.

Please finish the race fairly if you notice that you cannot cope with the car/on the track/with the requirements etc. Stay away from other drivers, dodge them and leave the racing line. Everything else is simply not sporty compared to the other drivers.
That wasn’t me. That’s some random in a race I was in
 
I tried the Superbird, Super Bee, Hellcat, and '02 Viper for Race A finishing between second and fourth on my main account. I practiced with the Jeep but with only about 220 horsepower it is too slow although the best handling of the bunch. The racing itself hasn't been very remarkable, but I like tuning and hotlapping unique vehicles so I'm still having fun for now. Hopefully every week there is at least one race with tuning allowed.
 
I hope you know it yourself, your driving style was not that of a fool, but for me at least... in the highest form unsportsmanlike and by no means OK. You make countless mistakes, use up your tires in a very short time, making even more driving mistakes and making other drivers suffer by blocking them, pushing them off the track and so on.
I hope that you don't usually drive like this, but if you do, I feel sorry for everyone who is in a race with you.

Please finish the race fairly if you notice that you cannot cope with the car/on the track/with the requirements etc. Stay away from other drivers, dodge them and leave the racing line. Everything else is simply not sporty compared to the other drivers.

Blocking others even when your tires is destroyed is fine, as long as you don't start weaving (E.g. Alonso at Montreal F1 GP last Sunday).

Ofc you should be able to defend, faster drivers behind that are behind you on the same lap have 0 privilege. If you cannot cope with a defending driver you might as well stop with racing and play rally or something, there others won't bother you. I have noted people getting mad with me sometimes when I start blocking fair & square and I sometimes get rammed off the track. If another driver is such a sore loser, then he/she should stay out of racing, period. Defending and even blocking is part of racing.

That being said, the driver's standards in the video was atrocious.
 
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Blocking others even when your tires is destroyed is fine, as long as you don't start weaving (E.g. Alonso at Montreal F1 GP last Sunday).

Ofc you should be able to defend, faster drivers behind that are behind you on the same lap have 0 privilege. If you cannot cope with a defending driver you might as well stop with racing and play rally or something, there others won't bother you. I have noted people getting mad with me sometimes when I start blocking fair & square and I sometimes get rammed off the track. If another driver is such a sore loser, then he/she should stay out of racing, period. Defending and even blocking is part of racing.

That being said, the driver's standards in the video was atrocious.
I do NOT agree with you on this one. Basically and in real racing you can choose a defensive line, that's good and right. BUT we have extremely short races, on the one hand, and the vehicles are so close together in terms of performance that overtaking is difficult enough, unless the person in front makes a massive mistake.

On the one hand, the defense in the race of the drivers looks like this, that the line is only changed at the last moment, so that the pursuer has to drive up to the defender. Or the lines are changed several times. Both are unsportsmanlike from the defender (at least in my eyes)!
Assuming, like last week, that almost everyone drives the same vehicles. I took the 180 degrees in front of the long tunnel a little better than the man in front, at the same time I benefit from the slipstream and can reduce the 0.3 seconds gap from before the corner to 0. About 25% of the straights I'm already on him and ready to overtake. If the person in front adjusts his line and I have time to change my line again, that's fair. However, if it only changes when I can no longer avoid a collision without braking or reducing acceleration and can no longer change my line, that is unfair.
If the defender continues to change his line to prevent another / further overtaking, this is also unfair.
In the video, the driver blocks another significantly faster driver who simply wants to overtake cleanly on the other side of the track because the unclean driver was much slower, this is UNSPORTING.

And a driver who behaves like this in the race need not be surprised if he is cleared.
A driver who obviously CANNOT keep up the speed in the race and keeps making mistakes because he is not focused or cannot handle the pressure should (and in my opinion he MUST) the drivers who are visibly faster Make fair space.
If I make a serious driving mistake and there are other vehicles close behind me, I immediately choose a more defensive line, but stay on it and accept it if the others can overtake me as a result. I can then pull in neatly behind them and again wait for a mistake or overtake them neatly if it's possible. THAT is fair and sporty driving for me!
 
I do NOT agree with you on this one. Basically and in real racing you can choose a defensive line, that's good and right. BUT we have extremely short races, on the one hand, and the vehicles are so close together in terms of performance that overtaking is difficult enough, unless the person in front makes a massive mistake.

On the one hand, the defense in the race of the drivers looks like this, that the line is only changed at the last moment, so that the pursuer has to drive up to the defender. Or the lines are changed several times. Both are unsportsmanlike from the defender (at least in my eyes)!
Assuming, like last week, that almost everyone drives the same vehicles. I took the 180 degrees in front of the long tunnel a little better than the man in front, at the same time I benefit from the slipstream and can reduce the 0.3 seconds gap from before the corner to 0. About 25% of the straights I'm already on him and ready to overtake. If the person in front adjusts his line and I have time to change my line again, that's fair. However, if it only changes when I can no longer avoid a collision without braking or reducing acceleration and can no longer change my line, that is unfair.
If the defender continues to change his line to prevent another / further overtaking, this is also unfair.
In the video, the driver blocks another significantly faster driver who simply wants to overtake cleanly on the other side of the track because the unclean driver was much slower, this is UNSPORTING.

And a driver who behaves like this in the race need not be surprised if he is cleared.
A driver who obviously CANNOT keep up the speed in the race and keeps making mistakes because he is not focused or cannot handle the pressure should (and in my opinion he MUST) the drivers who are visibly faster Make fair space.
If I make a serious driving mistake and there are other vehicles close behind me, I immediately choose a more defensive line, but stay on it and accept it if the others can overtake me as a result. I can then pull in neatly behind them and again wait for a mistake or overtake them neatly if it's possible. THAT is fair and sporty driving for me!

I refered to changing the driving line once before the braking zone and when the other driver is not alongside. That is fine. Short races is no excuse to not defend if you want to. Qualify better or don't pleb it early in the race if you have a good qualifying time. So that you have less drivers to fight with.

Again you are allowed to block faster drivers as long as you do it in a manner I mentioned above. Faster drivers don't have privileges, like a VIP saying "I shall be let through every time" or something. Because that is what you made it sound like in your first comment.
 
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I think we just have to accept things won’t get better. So the choices are to avoid online, or just do enough to trigger the trophy, or stick with it but accept it’ll often be an experience ruined by clowns.

As the conversation above illustrates, racing has rules, sometimes almost informal etiquette, but they’re open to very large degrees of interpretation. Different racing series around the world also interpret things in different ways. Throw in the fact that online racers can be anyone from hotheaded Neanderthals (which is almost certainly not fair on real Neanderthals tbh) to perfect, infallible individuals like me, and you have a recipe for what we have; lots of mayhem, with the occasional ‘good’ race like an oasis in a desert of wasted time.

Tbf, at the higher DR levels, S and maybe A+, I’d guess things are much better, but the investment in time to get there and stay there is more than most normal players will ever be able or willing to give. At A and B level it is what it is, but a few adjustments to the penalty system could definitely rein in the more extreme goings on.
 
I refered to changing the driving line once before the braking zone and when the other driver is not alongside. That is fine. Short races is no excuse to not defend if you want to. Qualify better or don't pleb it early in the race if you have a good qualifying time. So that you have less drivers to fight with.

Again you are allowed to block faster drivers as long as you do it in a manner I mentioned above. Faster drivers don't have privileges, like a VIP saying "I shall be let through every time" or something. Because that is what you made it sound like in your first comment.
No, I didn't make it sound like that, at least not before it was translated into English. Unfortunately, although english is the most common "world language", it is sometimes quite "inflexible/stiff", especially when it has to be translated from other languages. the German is very "flexible and precise". If it is translated now, electronic translations in particular are a problem.

However, what I was referring to from the driver was not changing the line just before a braking zone. No, the driver repeatedly shifted his line extremely strongly in the middle of the track, although he was significantly slower (apparently 20 km/h and more) in order to completely block others or even push him off the track.
As I wrote, a "simple" change of line to take a defensive position is perfectly fine.

I'm just speaking for myself now, if someone hinders me so much that my lap times are visibly decreasing and sometimes even provokes accidents, then they have to reckon with being taken off the track as well.
And the saying about qualifying is often ridiculous.

Example: Last week I raced on P4.
At the exit of the last tunnel, P2 and P3 had a nasty back-and-forth. P2 was pushed off P3, spun, slammed into the guardrail and came back onto the track right in front of me, I didn't have a chance to avoid the car and it did NOT turn into a ghost. I slammed in and got a 4 second penalty.
Which turned my now received P3 into a P12 in the race.
Now, as obviously faster drivers, I was "caught" behind drivers who were struggling to complete the lap in 2.03.xx.

I don't expect them to let me pass, because well, it's racing... but then driving zig zag, braking before the braking zones or pushing my car into the wall when overtaking... THAT'S just NOT OK!
 
I think we just have to accept things won’t get better. So the choices are to avoid online, or just do enough to trigger the trophy, or stick with it but accept it’ll often be an experience ruined by clowns.
But the point is,it WAS better already.I‘m not willing to give up my hope yet ;)
 
No, I didn't make it sound like that, at least not before it was translated into English. Unfortunately, although english is the most common "world language", it is sometimes quite "inflexible/stiff", especially when it has to be translated from other languages. the German is very "flexible and precise". If it is translated now, electronic translations in particular are a problem.

However, what I was referring to from the driver was not changing the line just before a braking zone. No, the driver repeatedly shifted his line extremely strongly in the middle of the track, although he was significantly slower (apparently 20 km/h and more) in order to completely block others or even push him off the track.
As I wrote, a "simple" change of line to take a defensive position is perfectly fine.

I'm just speaking for myself now, if someone hinders me so much that my lap times are visibly decreasing and sometimes even provokes accidents, then they have to reckon with being taken off the track as well.
And the saying about qualifying is often ridiculous.

Example: Last week I raced on P4.
At the exit of the last tunnel, P2 and P3 had a nasty back-and-forth. P2 was pushed off P3, spun, slammed into the guardrail and came back onto the track right in front of me, I didn't have a chance to avoid the car and it did NOT turn into a ghost. I slammed in and got a 4 second penalty.
Which turned my now received P3 into a P12 in the race.
Now, as obviously faster drivers, I was "caught" behind drivers who were struggling to complete the lap in 2.03.xx.

I don't expect them to let me pass, because well, it's racing... but then driving zig zag, braking before the braking zones or pushing my car into the wall when overtaking... THAT'S just NOT OK!

Okay fair enough, yeah zig zaging I don't even call racing. A sport for that exists. That's slalom ⛷️
 
I know, I know. But we’re almost up to 4 months. They’re not dumb. This is how it is, it’s how they want it.
What i meant was,the penalty system was better just 4 weeks ago.Absolutely not perfect but at least“fair“ in that regard that everyone had a chance to get unfair (or by accident) penalties ;)

If that‘s now what they really want,why even bother with penalties at all?
 
Race A has been great and clean... but its cracking me up watching A+ drivers pick the fastest cars every time. i'm not judging anyone who equates being competitive with having fun, i'm simply baffled why people don't mess around.... especially since the range of qualifier times often spans 5 full seconds a lap! i might keep working on the xhia / 300sl / biposto / db5, but it might get stale if i'm facing 10 atenzas every time.

a lot of these old cars can get into the 1:49s, and that can be enough for a top-half finish!
 
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Shaved another half second off my qualy time in C but still some ways to go..

Consistent steering input on the downhill right turns in sectors 1 and 2 using controller isn't great and that's where the ghost of top 10 time is running away from me...

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Race A has been great and clean... but its cracking me up watching A+ drivers pick the fastest cars every time. i'm not judging anyone who equates being competitive with having fun, i'm simply baffled why people don't mess around.... especially since the range of qualifier times often spans 5 full seconds a lap! i might keep working on the xhia / 300sl / biposto / db5, but it might get stale if i'm facing 10 atenzas every time.

a lot of these old cars can get into the 1:49s, and that can be enough for a top-half finish!
This weirds me out too. It's literally for nothing - how can some people have fun just picking a dominant car and driving off from the field? If you're grinding DR, sure, whatever, but they're not here when it's just a for fun race.

I'd much rather be battling out for 7th with a Miata, an RCZ and some random legends car than I would winning by 30 seconds in a busted tune.
 
What i meant was,the penalty system was better just 4 weeks ago.Absolutely not perfect but at least“fair“ in that regard that everyone had a chance to get unfair (or by accident) penalties ;)

If that‘s now what they really want,why even bother with penalties at all?
I agree. So they’ve made it ‘worse’. Did they give any reason? My point is, they might think they’ve made it ‘better’. It might be that this is it. It’s how GTS has been for ages too.

They appear to only want penalties for some track limits (and pit-lane infringements). All I’m saying is, maybe we just have to suck it up...
 
Is anyone else just not a fan of GR4 on full length tracks like Maggiore? I’d like to see the shorter track variants get some love with this group.
Biggest problem with gr4 at the moment is that it invites massive divebombs and push to pass ramming. Was great fun before they removed pens.
 
Biggest problem with gr4 at the moment is that it invites massive divebombs and push to pass ramming. Was great fun before they removed pens.
That’s true of most classes at the moment. My specific issue with gr4 is the unbalanced BOP - the AWDs need a nerf to make it more competitive, especially if PD use these cars in Manufacturers Cup events.
 
Struggled with the Atenza at Daily Race A, too much understeer for my liking. So decided to hotlap the F430 instead. Decent lap in the mid 1.40s, 3rd best F430 time right now. Surprising to see how high up the time was though. Car is grippy & fun to drive. 🏁

Hotlap & parts used at 10.50-15.00 marker. The car is widebodied & wheels widened too.

 
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Alas, it didn't take long in race A to hit a series of races where someone is repeatedly taking 1st by taking advantage of the flaws with PP. Settings things like suspension so that it is detrimental to PP and then using the headroom to boost BHP and far as possible. I can see why PD struggle with non BoP races now.
 
I do think at this point they should just disable tuning impacting PP at all. It should be the car, the parts it uses, and weight/power/ECU limitations, but nothing else.

I don't believe any issues can arise like this at that point? I managed to drop the Carrera to 449pp by abusing the suspension. That shouldn't happen under any circumstance. It will always dominate cars that rest natively around that mark.
 
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