GT7 Daily Race Discussion

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Roggers
Just recently upgraded my pedals to a load cell, and I’m wondering how long did it take people to adjust to the new type of braking?
Done a few laps on the time trial at daily b and my times are only a few tenths off my fastest time. I can tell my braking is better and more consistent, but having to relearn is making my lap times be a bit up and down.
Hoping I can adjust to this quickly as I like this week daily races. Bathurst no DR will probs be my testing and learning race.

What cars are people using for daily c? Fuel saving defo the quickest way round. Think a few top players will use the Megane.
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What pedals do you have now? I’m getting ready to make the leap to load cell and I’m trying to decide on which Fanatec set to get. I’m seriously considering the inferred pedals but I’ve never used anything like that before (other than, you know, real life).
 
Granite_Lw
I'd rather have someone try to turn in on me (usually ends up worse for them)
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Happens so often I just take it as part of the game at this point. Like you say thankfully it's not an issue for me 99% of the time, they must get a shock though!
 
Wrapped up my week of race C's this afternoon, and I've had a thoroughly fun time.

I think I'm slowly settling into DR A (thanks to all posters here for reminding me to forget about it as some kind of badge of honour, that it's merely a matchmaking tool). I can safely say I've hit upon a rich vein of consistency, and my 1.38-1.38.5 lapping was more than enough to see off many a fubar'd opponent, and rise through the pack.

Monza No Chicane has been the perfect example of a simple bread & butter race, roughly 1 second separating first and last on the grid for a large number of races meaning it's down to who keeps their nerve during the 12 laps. A few mishaps, but in general quid pro quo. The return of pre-race and post-race chat shortcuts has helped to create an organic race ecosystem which I didn't realise I missed so badly.

The only one time I felt really bad was when my tyre was touching the grass slightly under braking at the first chicane and my car went diagonal with two friends in close proximity so they got a nasty side-effect from my transgression. Of course I gave them time to get back on track and the race is long enough to forget about it (there was this one time someone didn't approve of my bump drafting and gave me the old brake check routine, but that was just weird).

I want to make a special dedication to PD and their decision to change pedal control on Dual Shock from exponential to linear, to which a I really owe a lot of my progress (and aforementioned consistency). Again, Monza used to give me some trouble, as slight braking (Lesmo 1&2) and modulated throttle application (Ascari) were always a hurdle at which I often tripped. It was somewhat strange to be so aware of my minute mistakes, such as slightly losing the back end, or over-braking and slowing down too much. Also I'm much more capable of catching a slide, again as I mentioned before.

I still suck at Parabolica though.
 
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xMAXIx79
It's the right forum, but you have a mistake in reasoning and hints about it don't seem to get through to you. I have 2 A+ accounts and there is no logical reason why my two accounts are now blocking other players from getting into A or even A+.
I can only ride one rider at a time anyway... and all the other riders with a lower rating than mine benefit a lot if I make a mistake and finish behind them... That's the only thing that matters after all is.. how many points do I have.. how many points do the other drivers have and who comes where and destination.
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Let me try. DR is a zero sum exchange (with some minor exceptions). Each player adds 2K DR when they enter a new account into sport mode. That's it. The amount of players that started sport mode determines to total size of the point pool.

You have 3 A+ accounts, thus you took over 150K DR out of the pot for your 3 accounts. That naturally leaves less points available for others to get. You can't play all 3 accounts at the same time and if you;re not playing those 150K DR points are 'idle', not available for anyone to get.

Of course it all doesn't matter since it's all relative. Matching doesn't care what the actual values are. However championship race points are based on the total (or avg) DR in the room. You can only enter one account at a time, the other 100K+ DR are not in play. Thus the possible point pool for the championship races is lower than it would be without alt accounts hoarding DR :dopey:
 
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Talon16
A couple weeks ago you were lamenting being a low B and wanted to go back to C (or was it C to D?). Now, you're on the cusp of A. It's called progress! :cheers:

We're ALL in similar boats, mate. Unless you're an alien, the DR is going to track similar depending on the races for the week. I can tell you I had massive success at Daytona in the 787B and also had great success at the Glen, finishing quite well the majority of the time; Nurb GP course was good, too. But, I also have tracks I do not get along with. That's why I have the second account, is to be able to race with people and not be a liability to the real A+s out there.

Brands is not a good one for me at all. But, I am looking forward to Bathurst for race A as Bathurst is not a good one for me either (I seem to be saying that a lot :lol: ) but it'll be fun to do on the #1 account without having to worry about messing up anyone else's DR|SR.
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I was bouncing from D to C only three weeks ago. Progress indeed. And how could o forget about Watkins Glen?! That’s actually the track that got me back into the Daily races and on my way up! It’s the first track that I absolutely fell in love with for some reason. It got me into focusing on quali laps and it was my very first win! I think it would be a good Gr4 track in the future.

And I can’t over emphasize just how important your gesture at Nurburgring GP was at getting me to relax and enjoy the process. When you fell all the way back just to run a few laps with me, it gave me a feeling of belonging to something that I hadn’t felt yet.

This GT Planet crew is pretty ok in my book . . .
 
O604
Everything is based on finishing ahead of everyone of lower DR not to lose points and possibly gaining points by finishing ahead of those with higher DR.

In theory a good system. Unfortunately complicated by multiple accounts. I'm guessing the higher the DR the more alt accounts there are. If someone has 3 accounts in the top 3%, that makes it harder for everyone else to get in.

I'm not against alt accounts. It's just not good for keeping stats pure.
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Roggers
I’m a bit confused as to how an alternative account will stop you from moving up the ranks? If you have 3 accounts that are all the same DR rating you can only play on one at a time so I don’t seen an issue there. The issue starts when these with alternative accounts who crash there DR rating on purpose just so they can race in a lower rated lobby. This is then where these drivers are taking away the DR points from others who are trying to climb the ranks.
I have 2 accounts, but both are B/S rated and I drive both accounts equally. I’ve seen some alt account who are out for full on revenge and only use it to destroy others. That’s when bans need to applied.
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Nebuc72
I don't get it either, there's not a cap on how many A+ players there can be so surely alts mean nothing?

A B player isn't stuck in B because some A+ players have alts, they're stuck in B because they are losing to other B drivers. It's a bell curve, it's harder to be consistently at the top, the only way to solve that issue is by having more people to fill out the ranks.
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xMAXIx79
It's the right forum, but you have a mistake in reasoning and hints about it don't seem to get through to you. I have 2 A+ accounts and there is no logical reason why my two accounts are now blocking other players from getting into A or even A+.
I can only ride one rider at a time anyway... and all the other riders with a lower rating than mine benefit a lot if I make a mistake and finish behind them... That's the only thing that matters after all is.. how many points do I have.. how many points do the other drivers have and who comes where and destination.
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This argument is hurting me.

@O604 is theoretically correct. There are not infinite DR points available in the game. You can give or take DR from other drivers, you can’t create it (except when you join sport mode). Therefore, a player who amasses 150k of DR across several accounts is “hoarding” DR that could be won by others. Similarly there is a cap on the number of A+ rated drivers. Think of it like this; if there were only 15 accounts in Gt7 and they each started with 5k then there are only 75k points available. You could only ever have 1 A+ driver.

HOWEVER, in practice this shouldn’t really matter that much because the proportion of hoarded DR is relatively small compared to “available” DR so the practical implication is relatively minor.
 
Tonight i've had some of the best racing i've had in a long time, did....god knows how many race b's nearly every race it was the same people and it was just amazing.....got a few new psn friends, had good banter pre and post race, everyone drove respectfully.....
Despite all this game's faults, tonight reminded me why i love going online and playing it.

Roggers
Just recently upgraded my pedals to a load cell, and I’m wondering how long did it take people to adjust to the new type of braking?
Done a few laps on the time trial at daily b and my times are only a few tenths off my fastest time. I can tell my braking is better and more consistent, but having to relearn is making my lap times be a bit up and down.
Hoping I can adjust to this quickly as I like this week daily races. Bathurst no DR will probs be my testing and learning race.

What cars are people using for daily c? Fuel saving defo the quickest way round. Think a few top players will use the Megane.
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I hosted some race c practice lobbies earlier and if its only RH that are mandatory the Megane Trophy is the car to pick, some started on RH's then pitted after one lap for RM, some did entire race on RH's....
But in saying that there is plenty of other cars that are viable....the Audi TT for one. The Alfa though was awful, so maybe avoid it
Apologies for double post, i have no idea how to merge my 1st one and this one...xx
 
Sven Jurgens
Let me try. DR is a zero sum exchange (with some minor exceptions). Each player adds 2K DR when they enter a new account into sport mode. That's it. The amount of players that started sport mode determines to total size of the point pool.

You have 3 A+ accounts, thus you took over 150K DR out of the pot for your 3 accounts. That naturally leaves less points available for others to get. You can't play all 3 accounts at the same time and if you;re not playing those 150K DR points are 'idle', not available for anyone to get.

Of course it all doesn't matter since it's all relative. Matching doesn't care what the actual values are. However championship race points are based on the total (or avg) DR in the room. You can only enter one account at a time, the other 100K+ DR are not in play. Thus the possible point pool for the championship races is lower than it would be without alt accounts hoarding DR :dopey:
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Actually there's some "bonus" DR scores to get whenever a player step up to the next level, they'll get an extra 1500 points, to prevent suddenly dropping back to the previous level. like you step up from 49900, and win a race and get 500 points, the DR after the race will be 51900 instead of 50400.

That mechanism make the DR pool keep growing. The real killer was the "DR reset" previously existing in GT SPORT.

Back then, if an A+ player accidently got a bad race, they could easily lose over thousands DR point in one race, and those point weren't be acquired by anyone, they just vanished.
 
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Added to all the back and forth of points is the fact that every day/every week/every month players start anew and more or less successfully score a few points and then either stop driving in sport mode or stop the game altogether. For active players who also use their accounts, I still see no problem with the "bunkered" points. But since I've been A+, I've been thinking a lot more about participating in the races at all if the race/track just doesn't suit me. Like this past week.. Monza...bahhh no I just don't understand this track and Saint Croix with Gr.4 wasn't my favorite either so I just raced less as my Q laps were just too inconsistent.
 
LGBT_Barron
I hosted some race c practice lobbies earlier and if its only RH that are mandatory the Megane Trophy is the car to pick, some started on RH's then pitted after one lap for RM, some did entire race on RH's....
But in saying that there is plenty of other cars that are viable....the Audi TT for one. The Alfa though was awful, so maybe avoid it
Apologies for double post, i have no idea how to merge my 1st one and this one...xx
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Could be a fun a week racing in daily c. In my custom practice races I found all strategies were about the same race time but the fuel save RH was my fastest race time so I’ll be trying this. I would assume A+ lobbies are probs full of Megane’s but the lower lobbies I can see a few different strategies been used. Think I’ll head out in the Aston for my first attempt and then just seen what happens from them.
 
Roggers
Could be a fun a week racing in daily c. In my custom practice races I found all strategies were about the same race time but the fuel save RH was my fastest race time so I’ll be trying this. I would assume A+ lobbies are probs full of Megane’s but the lower lobbies I can see a few different strategies been used. Think I’ll head out in the Aston for my first attempt and then just seen what happens from them.
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So far it’s being dominated by one stopping WRXs in the Asian top splits.
 
FerrariF40
What are the daily races we have this week ?
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Race A - Gr.3 at Mt Panorama - 5 laps, RH, BOP, fuel/tyre 1/1, unranked
Race B - Mazda Roadster TC at Autopolis Short - 7 laps, SH, fuel/tyre 1/1
Race C - Gr.4 at Brands Hatch GP - 12 laps, RH (mandatory) & RM, BOP, fuel/tyre 7/1
 
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Bojador
Does BoP L/M/H mean we have BoP per track now?
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Not necessarily per track, but per track category.
It's a good step, as a general BoP won't always work as expected.
Take last weeks Monza for example, the new Nissan and Supra were op there due to their top speed. However, especially the Nissan will have difficulties on other tracks with less/shorter straights.
D_Dragline
So far it’s being dominated by one stopping WRXs in the Asian top splits.
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1 lap on Hards, the rest with mediums?
 
timekiller001
Not necessarily per track, but per track category.
It's a good step, as a general BoP won't always work as expected.
Take last weeks Monza for example, the new Nissan and Supra were op there due to their top speed. However, especially the Nissan will have difficulties on other tracks with less/shorter straights.

1 lap on Hards, the rest with mediums?
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Why would the Nissan have such big problems on other tracks with shorter straights?
Not only is its top speed really impressive, its handling and general acceleration aren't bad either, and the same goes for the Supra.

But it is much more important that PD first achieves a reasonable balance between the vehicles, which is still NOT the case. Some need basic handling revisions, others need more power/less weight, or some vehicles should be weakened a bit. The patch I think it was 1.13 that gave the Supra so much more power clearly showed that they overshot the mark here. Before the said patch, the Supra in Monza was hardly able to drive well over 260, after the patch the Supra eclipsed the entire field in terms of top speed with well over 270, with good handling and acceptable consumption at the same time, just a to good car. So a few vehicles need to be further weakened.. or many vehicles need an urgent upgrade.
 
xMAXIx79
Why would the Nissan have such big problems on other tracks with shorter straights?
Not only is its top speed really impressive, its handling and general acceleration aren't bad either, and the same goes for the Supra.

But it is much more important that PD first achieves a reasonable balance between the vehicles, which is still NOT the case. Some need basic handling revisions, others need more power/less weight, or some vehicles should be weakened a bit. The patch I think it was 1.13 that gave the Supra so much more power clearly showed that they overshot the mark here. Before the said patch, the Supra in Monza was hardly able to drive well over 260, after the patch the Supra eclipsed the entire field in terms of top speed with well over 270, with good handling and acceptable consumption at the same time, just a to good car. So a few vehicles need to be further weakened.. or many vehicles need an urgent upgrade.
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Yes of course, the BoP still needs a lot of work.
Regarding the Nissan, this is just my assumption. I didn't test it. I think that way because it loses quite a bit of time during shifting, as the shifts are quite slow. Also in Monza without slipstream it really only gained on the last parts of the straights, it lost time before that (at least from what I gathered, I didn't drive it too much)
 
xMAXIx79
Why would the Nissan have such big problems on other tracks with shorter straights?
Not only is its top speed really impressive, its handling and general acceleration aren't bad either, and the same goes for the Supra.

But it is much more important that PD first achieves a reasonable balance between the vehicles, which is still NOT the case. Some need basic handling revisions, others need more power/less weight, or some vehicles should be weakened a bit. The patch I think it was 1.13 that gave the Supra so much more power clearly showed that they overshot the mark here. Before the said patch, the Supra in Monza was hardly able to drive well over 260, after the patch the Supra eclipsed the entire field in terms of top speed with well over 270, with good handling and acceptable consumption at the same time, just a to good car. So a few vehicles need to be further weakened.. or many vehicles need an urgent upgrade.
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Someone somewhere posted a spreadsheet with the recent changes in BOP. The Supra is still waaay above the rest in power/weight ratio. This shouldn't be so hard to figure out. The BOP settings are a conscious decision, so...
 
Leon Kowalski
Someone somewhere posted a spreadsheet with the recent changes in BOP. The Supra is still waaay above the rest in power/weight ratio. This shouldn't be so hard to figure out. The BOP settings are a conscious decision, so...
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I had a copy of that. Came to the conclusion it does not mean the best ratio is the best car. In fact the results in no way reflected the meta cars dominance.
 
Had a couple of races for race B. That car is definitely quite the handful for that combo. It's great fun. Even when it seems tamed it sometimes still tries to bite you. Saw @Hdbd04 out there in the second one I ran. Pole sitter and I had raced in the first one and he was faster. But went wide at the final turn lap 1 and I was through along with Hd.
Unfortunately I think my mistakes helped back him into the polesitter and then neither could seal the deal past me. Every time I was watching radar or rear view on them going at it. Was a fantastic race. Might have to do more this week. Was good seeing GTP people out as well.
 

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