GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[mcholeboy59]

One thing I notice racing B Tier at Monza is the amount of people just turning in when I'm right alongside them on the inside. As if I'll just magically vanish if you pretend I'm not there. Not a nose alongside either, full car and often a nose ahead into the turn. At some point people have to realise they've lost the line before we got here and just back it out, it often doesn't affect me as much as the perpetrators who can't push me off so mostly spin themselves into the dirt.

Can't tell if it's more a lack of awareness or just refusing to accept when they've lost a place.

I get that literally every single race I do aswell... one issue - particularly the second corner at red bull ring,

I seem to get at least one 2 second penalty each race there for "colliding with another car", where they have missed the apex of the corner, and decided rather than to let the car roll freely on the outside of the track, to literally park it in the middle of the track and not accelerate, such a stupid thing to do,

 

[Roggers]

The car would just be a coincidence, You can have drastically different lobbies from one race to the next for a few reasons. A change in DR, more or less people of similar DR racing, but usually you may have lost 5-10 SR points and you’ll be matched against totally different people despite your SR ranking being the same.

Very unlucky coincidence then. Just every race I’m towards the back in the Aston. I will say I do find some races I’m towards the back in the Merc but not often.
So what your saying is they is a general main rank(B/S), but then mini ranks within B/S to spirit you up even further? I just thought you got matched with anyone in your rank. Obviously I have seen others in my race, ie. A/B etc…

Id like to see a sliding scale to see how far away you are from been promoted to the next rank or relegated back to lower rank.

 

[Mercia]

Id like to see a sliding scale to see how far away you are from been promoted to the next rank or relegated back to lower rank.

It's a shame because they had this in Sport, in the game UI, just as a bar under your Rank that would go up and down and show you where in your rank you were (roughly) and obviously combined with stats available on Kudos Prime you knew exactly where you were at any time.

No idea why it was taken away from GT7 but hopeful it's returned in a future update.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

Very unlucky coincidence then. Just every race I’m towards the back in the Aston. I will say I do find some races I’m towards the back in the Merc but not often.
So what your saying is they is a general main rank(B/S), but then mini ranks within B/S to spirit you up even further? I just thought you got matched with anyone in your rank. Obviously I have seen others in my race, ie. A/B etc…

Id like to see a sliding scale to see how far away you are from been promoted to the next rank or relegated back to lower rank.

The SR is matched before DR so if you’ve had a penalty for knocking a car off or something you’d lose a few points and go down to say 89 SR (which is still SR S) and then you’d be ranked against other people with lower SR. And with the broken penalties this happens a lot. You can usually know if you’re on the cusp of DR A because you’ll see a mix of A and B in the lobby. I know I’m going backwards towards DR B as my lobbies are A/B mix now.
This is all assuming it works the same way as Sport. Which we’re pretty sure it does.

 

[Talon16]

Won a C race today (B|S) in the Aston V12! I had little business winning this one, but a win is a win. Quai time had me in P3. P1 & P2 - both Subarus - were fighting most of the first lap until just after T4 one of them spun the other. Now I am in P2, the Subaru who did the spinning got a 4 second penalty so a few turns later I am leading.

Guy who is now in P2 - also a Subaru - is playing the long game and as we go down the straights he gives me a bump rather than fighting, trying to get away from the pack. A couple laps later, I go through T3 a little slow and he is along side by the time we're braking for T4. We go thru T4 side-by-side with him on the inside and he takes the lead.

It's all I can do to keep him in my sights, and from lap 3.5-11.9 the delta was anywhere from .50-1.50 seconds. That Subaru is so fast on the straights that even when I was in his draft, he would still pull away some. Crossing the start/finish line beginning the last lap we both go through T1 and I don't think anything of it. As we get to T3 I see he has a .500 second penalty.

Now I am just trying to keep close and hope that .500 penalty will inherit me the lead. Going to the penalty line, the gap was like 1.2 seconds. He respectfully pulled off the racing line, slowed then go! Unfortunately for me, it didn't give me the lead... but now he was on the inside line and I am on the racing line at race pace. I think the penalty and being on the inside messed up his rhythm as he braked into T9 a little late and ran wide; I was able to take T9 like normal and was just barely able to squeeze past. We both take T10 pretty good and off to the checkered flag.

Felt a little bad for him honestly. He raced very respectfully, passed me clean, and I couldn't catch/challenge him again for the lead for the rest of the race (that being said, he couldn't drop me either). It was a .500 second penalty on the last lap and a very small mistake on the second to last turn that cost him the win. But, that's how it goes sometimes and I was there, as I had been the whole race, to capitalize... in the non-meta car.

MatDTX (I think) from Chile, if you're out there... good drive!

T9, last lap.

Obligatory finish pic:

I've now gotten a win at this week's C race in the Jag, GTR, Subaru, Evo, and Vanquish. Got a P2 in the Mustang, a P4 in the McLaren, P5 in the Viper, and a DNF in the Porsche. Might try the McLaren again as it's a nice drive. Looking forward to the next set of races at this point; hopefully on a track I agree with.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

More video evidence of my struggles with BOP this week, the only way to gain positions is to go for ridiculous divebombs. This one felt sweet:

 

[Talon16]

More video evidence of my struggles with BOP this week, the only way to gain positions is to go for ridiculous divebombs. This one felt sweet:

I quit trying with the Porsche. Way too much time lost on the straights. Work so hard to get a few tenths and it's all gone just like that. This just isn't the track for it.

 

[timekiller001]

I continued my list of all Group 3 cars on this weeks Daily race C time trial, and am now nearly done with only 5 cars left to do. One of which is the McLaren F1, which I currently don't own so need to wait until that is back at the legendary car dealership. And also both Supras and both VW's still need to get a trip around the track...
To no surprise, nothing was able to beat the WRX. However the practice of doing all those laps helped and I was able to get the Subaru time down from 1:29.3 to 1:28.9.
I attached screenshots of my list below, sorted after my best theoretical time of the best sectors combined, to somewhat negate my inability to get a perfect lap together

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I also did one race online to get my daily reward, and again this showed me that I'm much more competitive in race trim than in qualifying.
Started P8, but worked my way up to P2. Mostly thanks to errors or penalties, but also had some nice overtakes in there.
My fasted lap time was a 1:29.2, which is only 3 tenths off my best in time trial - with fuel and tire wear... So I should be able to get a better time in time trial but can't do it for whatever reason...

 

[Talon16]

Wanted to post this one from last night. Got a Daily C win in the Evo (again). Quali lap had me P2 and the leader and I went at it almost right away. From T3 all the way until T7 (left just before the esses) we were side-by-side fighting for the lead. No contact. Eventually he took it back going around the outside of T7. I was very cautions and didn't want to hit him (or he was just faster, not sure which haha). A lap or so later he got a penalty for track limits, I took the lead, and despite him being right behind me the whole race, I was able to bring it home.

"Matt" in the McLaren, if you're out there, great job keeping it clean!

T3

T5

T6

 

[NevilleNobody]

I don't know what i am doing wrong int he WRX, it feel sno faster than the Z4 to me, with the AMG and Jaguar just 1/10th behind.

 

[Roggers]

It's a shame because they had this in Sport, in the game UI, just as a bar under your Rank that would go up and down and show you where in your rank you were (roughly) and obviously combined with stats available on Kudos Prime you knew exactly where you were at any time.

No idea why it was taken away from GT7 but hopeful it's returned in a future update.

Yeah would be nice to have this but then how many people race looking at the slider and been concerned.
When I was dropped to C/S I was over driving as I wanted to get back to the B/S level and during that period I was making mistakes. Trying a Max Verstappen divebomb, out braking myself or running wide. Now back in B/S I’m enjoying my racing more as I’m not conscious about my rating. Plus my driving is clean. Had 5 clean races in a row yesterday and got decent results too.

The SR is matched before DR so if you’ve had a penalty for knocking a car off or something you’d lose a few points and go down to say 89 SR (which is still SR S) and then you’d be ranked against other people with lower SR. And with the broken penalties this happens a lot. You can usually know if you’re on the cusp of DR A because you’ll see a mix of A and B in the lobby. I know I’m going backwards towards DR B as my lobbies are A/B mix now.
This is all assuming it works the same way as Sport. Which we’re pretty sure it does.

Thanks for this! Great Info and now makes more sense

 

[mcholeboy59]

Won a C race today (B|S) in the Aston V12! I had little business winning this one, but a win is a win. Quai time had me in P3. P1 & P2 - both Subarus - were fighting most of the first lap until just after T4 one of them spun the other. Now I am in P2, the Subaru who did the spinning got a 4 second penalty so a few turns later I am leading.

Guy who is now in P2 - also a Subaru - is playing the long game and as we go down the straights he gives me a bump rather than fighting, trying to get away from the pack. A couple laps later, I go through T3 a little slow and he is along side by the time we're braking for T4. We go thru T4 side-by-side with him on the inside and he takes the lead.

It's all I can do to keep him in my sights, and from lap 3.5-12.9 the delta was anywhere from .50-1.50 seconds. That Subaru is so fast on the straights that even when I was in his draft, he would still pull away some. Crossing the start/finish line beginning the last lap we both go through T1 and I don't think anything of it. As we get to T3 I see he has a .500 second penalty.

Now I am just trying to keep close and hope that .500 penalty will inherit me the lead. Going to the penalty line, the gap was like 1.2 seconds. He respectfully pulled off the racing line, slowed then go! Unfortunately for me, it didn't give me the lead... but now he was on the inside line and I am on the racing line at race pace. I think the penalty and being on the inside messed up his rhythm as he braked into T9 a little late and ran wide; I was able to take T9 like normal and was just barely able to squeeze past. We both take T10 pretty good and off to the checkered flag.

Felt a little bad for him honestly. He raced very respectfully, passed me clean, and I couldn't catch/challenge him again for the lead for the rest of the race (that being said, he couldn't drop me either). It was a .500 second penalty on the last lap and a very small mistake on the second to last turn that cost him the win. But, that's how it goes sometimes and I was there, as I had been the whole race, to capitalize... in the non-meta car.

MatDTX (I think) from Chile, if you're out there... good drive!

T9, last lap.

Obligatory finish pic:

I've now gotten a win at this week's C race in the Jag, GTR, Subaru, Evo, and Vanquish. Got a P2 in the Mustang, a P4 in the McLaren, P5 in the Viper, and a DNF in the Porsche. Might try the McLaren again as it's a nice drive. Looking forward to the next set of races at this point; hopefully on a track I agree with.

Interesting that you only got a p5 in the viper, it's a good car... have to short shift it to get it going and the front end is glorious, does exactly what you want it to do, feels like the front end of a mid engined car.

I'm debating buying the jag next, any tips for driving that? Strengths and weaknesses?

Last drove it in the early days of gt sport so can't remember, ha.

 

[Talon16]

Interesting that you only got a p5 in the viper, it's a good car... have to short shift it to get it going and the front end is glorious, does exactly what you want it to do, feels like the front end of a mid engined car.

I'm debating buying the jag next, any tips for driving that? Strengths and weaknesses?

Last drove it in the early days of gt sport so can't remember, ha.

Yea, IMO the BoP kills it for the Viper. Really takes away its biggest advantage, the straight line speed of that 8.3L V10. It's an odd feeling to be in a Viper going down the straights and being caught by a turbo 4 haha.That being said, I've done this race maybe 20ish times and have never seen another Viper. Have you tried it? If so, and had better luck, let me know and maybe I'll give it another go.

The Jag is my favorite Gr3 car. It's very stable, has speed, and very easy to come out of the corners. Underrated car IMO.

 

[mcholeboy59]

Yea, IMO the BoP kills it for the Viper. Really takes away its biggest advantage, the straight line speed of that 8.3L V10. It's an odd feeling to be in a Viper going down the straights and being caught by a turbo 4 haha.That being said, I've done this race maybe 20ish times and have never seen another Viper. Have you tried it? If so, and had better luck, let me know and maybe I'll give it another go.

The Jag is my favorite Gr3 car. It's very stable, has speed, and very easy to come out of the corners. Underrated car IMO.

Yeah I've won 1 and had 2 seconds with the viper, it is odd to be overtaken by screaming little 4 cylinders, for sure, but it does have the torque still, which is why I said to short shift out-of corners, it likes that, anything above 5k rpm and it's dead.

 

[ruggermole]

For some reason c/s drivers are getting matched with b drivers with lower sr scores and it’s hell. Almost impossible to overtake even if you are a second a lap quicker cause they can never match their qualifying times.

 

[Elgin]

For some reason c/s drivers are getting matched with b drivers with lower sr scores and it’s hell. Almost impossible to overtake even if you are a second a lap quicker cause they can never match their qualifying times.

This may happen when you are at the brink of gaining/loosing your DR/SR. I noticed the mixed lobbies a few times and it always came down to this situation. Maybe something else may also trigger it.

 

[ruggermole]

i think its high c driver ratings get put with b’s with low safety ratings. Usually I do well in a c/s lobby then put into a demolition derby with bees and rinse wash and repeat.

 

[sixty4half]

so is the prudent move just to bite the bullet and buy the atenza? Wish You could see more than the top 10 to see what other cars are competitive

Not necessarily. The Veyron is very good at Monza with its 3 long straights and heavier build.

With the Atenza you have few options for Sausage Kerbs. You can try to straddle it but you risk a penalty every time unless you are perfect or you can run wide of the kerb. If you hit the kerb your Atenza bounces around and you lose the advantage of cutting the corner.

The Veyron is so heavy that it doesnt care. You can cut the corner and roll over the kerb like it wasnt there.

The Veyron also (from my experience) takes Lesmo 1 and 2 faster than the Atenza. If you couple that exit speed on Lesmo 2 with the Veyrons higher top speed you will catch Atenzas all day long.

The only draw back is that because you are heavier you have to stop earlier for Variante chicane.

I'm in group B and nobody is pulling 1.58s so maybe skill level comes into play but the Veyron definitely wins in a drag race all things being equal.



I posted this in the What Did You Do Today thread, but just in case you dont believe me about the Veyron, and didn't see it there, here is some evidence.

 

[MCL1974]

It's a shame because they had this in Sport, in the game UI, just as a bar under your Rank that would go up and down and show you where in your rank you were (roughly) and obviously combined with stats available on Kudos Prime you knew exactly where you were at any time.

No idea why it was taken away from GT7 but hopeful it's returned in a future update.

really miss all those statistics showing your percentages, fastest laps et cetera. Really fail to see why it is not in the game.

Wonder if all those stats were available from the start of GT Sport or if they were made available in a later update. If the latter then i do hope that the statistics will be back soon.

Also the player stats in Kudosprime are missed....

 

[Devolution]

I don't know how many of you get matched in the SEA region, but I swear, I don't think I've ever been pushed off as much as I was tonight.

Was leading Race A (Brands Hatch - Scirocco), only in laps 8, 9 and 10 to be lightly nudged into that wall just after the start/finish line.

And these guys have S rating for clean racing!

 

[Mercia]

really miss all those statistics showing your percentages, fastest laps et cetera. Really fail to see why it is not in the game.

Wonder if all those stats were available from the start of GT Sport or if they were made available in a later update. If the latter then i do hope that the statistics will be back soon.

Also the player stats in Kudosprime are missed....

I picked up Sport about 2 years in so I couldn't say myself as it was all there when I started, perhaps someone on here can shed some light on when all that became available.

Kudos, despite being a bit clunk to navigate, once you've done a whole load of races is just a stat nerds heaven and much missed from the current game. Hopefully this all comes together and we'll have hundreds of races of data to flick through down the line.

 

[Bullwinkle]

I continued my list of all Group 3 cars on this weeks Daily race C time trial, and am now nearly done with only 5 cars left to do. One of which is the McLaren F1, which I currently don't own so need to wait until that is back at the legendary car dealership. And also both Supras and both VW's still need to get a trip around the track...
To no surprise, nothing was able to beat the WRX. However the practice of doing all those laps helped and I was able to get the Subaru time down from 1:29.3 to 1:28.9.
I attached screenshots of my list below, sorted after my best theoretical time of the best sectors combined, to somewhat negate my inability to get a perfect lap together

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I also did one race online to get my daily reward, and again this showed me that I'm much more competitive in race trim than in qualifying.
Started P8, but worked my way up to P2. Mostly thanks to errors or penalties, but also had some nice overtakes in there.
My fasted lap time was a 1:29.2, which is only 3 tenths off my best in time trial - with fuel and tire wear... So I should be able to get a better time in time trial but can't do it for whatever reason...

I love your dedication to the charts! Thanks for the work on this.

What I'm curious about is this: when it comes to BoP, what determines the better performance for a particular car? I can't make sense of it. The Gr.4 Atenza makes sense to me because when you look at the individual stats on HP, torque and weight it just grades out better. But the Gr.3 cars don't seem to follow the same logic. For example, the Nismo rates highest in HP and torque, and kills on weight as well and should be the meta car at RBR this week. But it's only average-to-better when compared to the RCZ, which shouldn't be placing at all based on it's stats.

So are other figures getting changed by the BoP rules, or just those 3? And if not, what is determining the better performance for the Gr.3 cars in such a way that I'm not seeing it as obviously as I could with the Gr.4 Atenza?

 

[ruggermole]

Not necessarily. The Veyron is very good at Monza with its 3 long straights and heavier build.

With the Atenza you have few options for Sausage Kerbs. You can try to straddle it but you risk a penalty every time unless you are perfect or you can run wide of the kerb. If you hit the kerb your Atenza bounces around and you lose the advantage of cutting the corner.

The Veyron is so heavy that it doesnt care. You can cut the corner and roll over the kerb like it wasnt there.

The Veyron also (from my experience) takes Lesmo 1 and 2 faster than the Atenza. If you couple that exit speed on Lesmo 2 with the Veyrons higher top speed you will catch Atenzas all day long.

The only draw back is that because you are heavier you have to stop earlier for Variante chicane.

I'm in group B and nobody is pulling 1.58s so maybe skill level comes into play but the Veyron definitely wins in a drag race all things being equal.



I posted this in the What Did You Do Today thread, but just in case you dont believe me about the Veyron, and didn't see it there, here is some evidence.

Yeah I’ve seen the veyron competing with the atenza in my splits. If credits were a little more expendable I’d play around with it cause it looks likes it doesn’t bounce as much on the chicanes

 

[sixty4half]

Yeah I’ve seen the veyron competing with the atenza in my splits. If credits were a little more expendable I’d play around with it cause it looks likes it doesn’t bounce as much on the chicanes

Do you mean the rumble strips?

 

[timekiller001]

I love your dedication to the charts! Thanks for the work on this.

Thanks

I finished it now, and no surprises, the WRX and RCZ are on top.
I wasn't able to get the GT-R up to speed so it's only in P7, only slightly in front of the newly added Skyline GT-R GT500 '99.

I wanted to race the 5 cars that were on top, but due to time constraints I only got 4 races in, and I performed poorly in almost all of them, making errors and getting track limit penalties.
But time trial performance and race performance are two different things.
E.g. the Alfa 4C, I knew it would be hard with the low top speed, but in race it was slow overall... Not to be recommended :/

A surprise to me was the Genesis Gr.3 - it was tricky to drive with a fairly loose rear, especially under acceleration, but it was really quick, also in race trim.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

This may happen when you are at the brink of gaining/loosing your DR/SR. I noticed the mixed lobbies a few times and it always came down to this situation. Maybe something else may also trigger it.

It's a bug in matchmaking as old as the launch of GT Sport. When there are spots left over in a room with a certain SR range (first selection criteria) the game will add more players from a lower SR range. However instead of adding players with similar DR the game starts at the top of the DR list again, and thus adds the highest DR drivers in that lower SR bracket, to the leftover spots in the room with the lowest DR drivers in the higher SR bracket.

PD simply doesn't care to ever fix that even though it's very easy to fix. Just fill the left over spots with the lowest DR players of the lower SR bracket.

 

[Talon16]

Got a P1 with the McLaren finally! One of the closer races I've had. I think the algorithm has me figured out as the competition has been pretty tight lately. The guy in the Penz GTR wouldn't leave me alone the whole race, then the guy in the Subaru joined the fun.

On lap 3 or 4 I made a mistake going into T4 and ran a bit wide, enough to just touch the gravel with my left tires. The Penz took the lead and I was barely able to keep in front of the Subaru. The next lap the Penz got a little lose going through T1 and I was able to get right on his bumper. He then went a little wide in T3 and got a bit lose, so I went up the inside. We were in a drag race going down towards T4 all the while the Subaru had caught us. He probably would've passed us both but we had him boxed in. He gave me a bump and into T4 we all went. We all managed to keep it clean and I was able to come out in the lead, the Sub in P2 and the Penz in P3. From there on I was just trying to keep them behind. Not sure how, but eventually the Penz got around the Sub and we finished in that order.

Great racing from those two. Very clean! Warning, pic heavy!

Penz getting a little squirrelly at T3.

Eight-ish laps and a higher heart rate later...

Yeah I've won 1 and had 2 seconds with the viper, it is odd to be overtaken by screaming little 4 cylinders, for sure, but it does have the torque still, which is why I said to short shift out-of corners, it likes that, anything above 5k rpm and it's dead.

I got a win with the Viper today, too. Kinda stoked about it. I was shifting at 6-6.5k. Started in P2 and it was a pretty non-eventful race. Guy in P1 was pretty far up at like 2.0-2.5 seconds, so it wasn't looking good. But, on lap 11 on T3 he spun. So I took over the lead... problem is the guy behind had been chipping away my lead on him and was down to ~.800 seconds with now 1.5 laps to go. Luckily for me as we were going through the infield he had a moment too and the gap went from under a second to 5 seconds. Took it kinda easy on the last lap and won it pretty big.

Was able to get wins in Daily C this week with the:
-Jag
-Subaru
-Evo
-Nissan GTR
-Aston Vanquish
-McLaren
-Viper

Got a P2 in the Mistang. The only car I wanted to win this event in and didn't was the Porsche.

 

[Mercia]

Got a P1 with the McLaren finally! One of the closer races I've had. I think the algorithm has me figured out as the competition has been pretty tight lately. The guy in the Penz GTR wouldn't leave me alone the whole race, then the guy in the Subaru joined the fun.

On lap 3 or 4 I made a mistake going into T4 and ran a bit wide, enough to just touch the gravel with my left tires. The Penz took the lead and I was barely able to keep in front of the Subaru. The next lap the Penz got a little lose going through T1 and I was able to get right on his bumper. He then went a little wide in T3 and got a bit lose, so I went up the inside. We were in a drag race going down towards T4 all the while the Subaru had caught us. He probably would've passed us both but we had him boxed in. He gave me a bump and into T4 we all went. We all managed to keep it clean and I was able to come out in the lead, the Sub in P2 and the Penz in P3. From there on I was just trying to keep them behind. Not sure how, but eventually the Penz got around the Sub and we finished in that order.

Great racing from those two. Very clean! Warning, pic heavy!

Penz getting a little squirrelly at T3.

Eight-ish laps and a higher heart rate later...

I got a win with the Viper today, too. Kinda stoked about it. I was shifting at 6-6.5k. Started in P2 and it was a pretty non-eventful race. Guy in P1 was pretty far up at like 2.0-2.5 seconds, so it wasn't looking good. But, on lap 11 on T3 he spun. So I took over the lead... problem is the guy behind had been chipping away my lead on him and was down to ~.800 seconds with now 1.5 laps to go. Luckily for me as we were going through the infield he had a moment too and the gap went from under a second to 5 seconds. Took it kinda easy on the last lap and won it pretty big.

Was able to get wins in Daily C this week with the:
-Jag
-Subaru
-Evo
-Nissan GTR
-Aston Vanquish
-McLaren
-Viper

Got a P2 in the Mistang. The only car I wanted to win this event in and didn't was the Porsche.

I took the Penz out after buying to see if I could put some decent times in but was way off the pace with it, so fair play to him, great to see it in the mix here.

I was way off here all week to be honest so it's definitely a me problem, glad to see the back of the combo

 

[xMAXIx79]

I took the Penz out after buying to see if I could put some decent times in but was way off the pace with it, so fair play to him, great to see it in the mix here.

I was way off here all week to be honest so it's definitely a me problem, glad to see the back of the combo

Yes, the Penz is really difficult, of course I bought it as soon as I found out that it was online... It's not really bad, but at least on the routes I've been up to now it's not as good as I had hoped.
The more I think about it, the more it reminds me of the McLaren F1 in GTS. It's a bit weird and more difficult on the brakes, but straight ahead it's a real weapon, right off the bat I can't think of any Gr3 cars that compare, at least for what I've tested so far. But the Penz has to struggle not only with the brakes but also with the tracktion, its more than 700NM torque is just too much in some corners. It reminds me even more of the M6 than the McLaren.
I very much hope that there will be tracks that suit him well and on which he can shine, because driving is fast but demanding, which at least constantly messes up the lap times for me.
Maybe it would be quite good at circuits like Suzuka or LeMans.

 

[liquid_ocelot]

New races up

Laguna Seca, Radical SR3 SL
Maggiore, Gr. 4
Le Mans, Gr. 2