GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[newmedia_dev]

Curious if you’ve been comparing your times in VR vs non-VR or if you’ve just stayed the course since try VR?

If so, are you finding one or the other trending faster times or consistency?

My times are much faster (relatively but significantly in VR)

I try to do bumper cam and just can’t, the perspectives are all wrong and it’s really unnatural to me know to not see the corners of the car for placement and turn in.

If I look back at a few of my videos bumper cam was grinded top 7/800s in VR half that till mid week, so initially the pace is quick but I also don’t tend to grind as much as I used to. Mostly it’s less hop in the rig do a few laps. With VR I need to set myself like I would do for a real life race and the concentration is much higher as it takes more out of me to position the car and make sure I’m hitting my braking and acceleration markers.

 

[TheNormsk]

Curious how you and @TheNormsk have got along with the transition to VR.

I can drive in flatscreen and VR but now, flatscreen feels just so wrong and my timing and perspective is off so it takes a good couple of hours to adjust again. For me it is VR or nothing pretty much.

The first week I felt a bit woozy but not too bad as I didn't ease into it. By the end of the the first week I was running a few hours in a session. I would say that having a fan blowing at you helps a lot. For timing it took me about a month to be up to my A pace again. I found if you are to transition, set up a new account, like I did, and start GT7 all over again. This allows you to get used to it without cratering your DR in your current account. The flip side is that you might not want to use your old account after this. I barely touch TheNormsk any more. The biggest reason to start over is that it gives you the joy of trying all the boring cars again and then finding new fun in them. That is honestly my only downside to VR. I enjoying exploring all the different cars now in single player that I do a lot less sport.

Edit. I really should have read the total post. I see you already have it. Basically, I don't switch back and forth. Occasionally, I've done a TT in both flatscreen and VR. Sometimes the flatscreen will jump ahead of the VR but then by the end of the session,VR is nearly always faster. In fact I can't remember the time VR was slower.

I sport races, not having lap splits is really annoying when you end up on track by yourself. You have no reference as to how you are doing to others. That I do think is a downside. If splits were in VR I would think more sport racers would use it.

 

[Dep Fishtail]

My times are much faster (relatively but significantly in VR)

I try to do bumper cam and just can’t, the perspectives are all wrong and it’s really unnatural to me know to not see the corners of the car for placement and turn in.

If I look back at a few of my videos bumper cam was grinded top 7/800s in VR half that till mid week, so initially the pace is quick but I also don’t tend to grind as much as I used to. Mostly it’s less hop in the rig do a few laps. With VR I need to set myself like I would do for a real life race and the concentration is much higher as it takes more out of me to position the car and make sure I’m hitting my braking and acceleration markers.

Thanks for your input on how it’s working for you. I was somewhat expecting that answer and having your feedback is appreciated. It helps because it aligns with how I’ve been feeling trying to find pace or consistency going back to bumper cam. Will likely be transitioning back into VR world lol.
I was stinking it up on Lake Louise and nab gold in VR a half hour in.
Was the first I’ve used it again in months of attempting to become bilingual in GT7.

Appreciate you taking time to share. ✌️

Trying to fix my double post.

I can drive in flatscreen and VR but now, flatscreen feels just so wrong and my timing and perspective is off so it takes a good couple of hours to adjust again. For me it is VR or nothing pretty much.

The first week I felt a bit woozy but not too bad as I didn't ease into it. By the end of the the first week I was running a few hours in a session. I would say that having a fan blowing at you helps a lot. For timing it took me about a month to be up to my A pace again. I found if you are to transition, set up a new account, like I did, and start GT7 all over again. This allows you to get used to it without cratering your DR in your current account. The flip side is that you might not want to use your old account after this. I barely touch TheNormsk any more. The biggest reason to start over is that it gives you the joy of trying all the boring cars again and then finding new fun in them. That is honestly my only downside to VR. I enjoying exploring all the different cars now in single player that I do a lot less sport.

Edit. I really should have read the total post. I see you already have it. Basically, I don't switch back and forth. Occasionally, I've done a TT in both flatscreen and VR. Sometimes the flatscreen will jump ahead of the VR but then by the end of the session,VR is nearly always faster. In fact I can't remember the time VR was slower.

I sport races, not having lap splits is really annoying when you end up on track by yourself. You have no reference as to how you are doing to others. That I do think is a downside. If splits were in VR I would think more sport racers would use it.
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Thanks as well for your input. Your times also seem to have steadily improved over time and I wasn’t sure how much you were jumping back and forth either.

Yeah I do mostly longer league races these days and the race information is so lacking in VR that I thought it might be worth trying flat screen but I’m nearing the end of my experiment now.

You guys adopted VR and have suck similar descriptions of how I’ve felt when using it.
I like very much like the more instinctive way we drive in VR over flat screen.

Cheers.

I have a little time off this week so may venture back into some dailies again after 6-9 months of doing zero daily races.
Hope to see some gtp folks on track.

 

[Tazzy-91]

I have had a bit of a break lately to try and see could I come back and enjoy the game again. Decided to park my main account and start afresh. Only done 12 races so far but it's been like a breath of fresh air !!
I have made to concious decision to be as fair and clean as I possibly can and enjoy it instead of getting stressed out. It's going well so far 🤞🤞🙏🙏🙏
Feel free to add me as a friend if you want 👍

A good few wins today including in the last 2 races, very clean racing by all 👍

 

[Stilva]

More racing at Road Atlanta for me. Didn't bother trying to set a new time as I wanted to jump into the action.

Race 1 had me in P6, and it started well enough. On lap 4, two drivers were fighting entering the final chicane and they hit. The driver who did the hitting just slams on the breaks to let the other driver go. Unfortunately, I run directly into the rear of said car. I then come down on a driver before the start line and spin myself out. I finish P11 and not a good start for me.

Race 2 puts me in P4. An unruly Genesis driver keeps hitting me on lap 1. So, I trap them behind a car coming off of a penalty and they un-ghost as soon as they hit the rear bumper. I was proud of that one. So, I'm in P3 when P2 spins and I'm 4 or so seconds behind P1. I see them in the grass at turn 6! It looks like they disconnected as they just disappear from the replay. I take the lead the rest of the way and get a much needed win as it's been a while.

Race 3 had me P7 on the grid. I had a nice race going until I had to take a comprised line in the first chicane and that upset my car for the esses where I felt the back of the car get light and I was off the loud pedal real fast. I finish P10 and go for one last race.

My last race of the evening has me in P4. Some chaos in the esses makes me take some avoiding actions, that gives me an off track penalty. I get why I got one, but I was bumped prior to going off. I hang in P6 and more chaos in the next laps. It felt like an MX-5 Cup race with the wheel to wheel action with plenty of door banging. I end up in P2 about 4 seconds behind the leader. I got the time down to half a second in 4 laps so I was hauling around the track.

Still having fun at one of my favorite tracks. Even when I took myself out of the race, there was still plenty of good racing.

 

[Kashik18]

Been racing Daily B a lot the last two days. Having some good times racing unqualified from the back. Pace is pretty good for mid B at the moment, but will need to find another half second to make racing from the back worth it later in the week.

Haven't played GT7 for almost a year, so it is good to be back in the seat with the VR headset on. But I gotta say, this week I have encountered some extremely dirty drivers. The limited passing zones on Atlanta has really made for a race that gets everyones elbows up and encourages the worst out of some drivers. Watkins last week was a walk in the park compared to this.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I've gone a straight up confused myself at Road Atlanta. I am qualifying in MT so thought I'd give it a go in race, yeah not ready, just all too much for me and I am lost when out of my rythym, also had no idea the start would at the top of a gear and I shifted too late , got mobbed and pushed off the road.

So I go back to AT, now I'm screwing up all my braking points as I am entering half the corners a gear higher than I do in MT. Pushed off the road again as I am too slow. Go back to MT and was doing OK but lap 3 a known barger got me into t1 and I am too worried about gears to race properly and I leave the door open on the inside. Pushed off again.

I qualified within 2pc of fastest time in the world but the track just annoys me, there's too much to gain and lose at the time penalty corners and there's really only one place to pass. Super annoying night.

 

[Gurzu]

Good starting at DF for this week. Monday I managed a QT of 1:26.9 in the RCZ (ideal '26.7). Yesterday I've tried to match it with the Supra; no way. The RCZ is catapulted out of corners while the Supra just struggles, looking at that Peugeot "disappearing at the horizon".
Final speed wise the Supra has lost the "almost 10 km/h" advantage it had at the end of straights before the new BoP and is no more worthy as meta killer like it was in Monza f.i.. I'll keep the RCZ for the rest of the week. Tonyt I'll get her a new Gurzu style livery, tomorrow I'll practice the hard tires pace and by Friday I'll be ready to get some fun out of it. I'll stick at DF just because already last week we had a "flow track" like Glen, so Road Atlanta is basically a kinda different Glen, but still flow type track.
Enjoy your racing week, guys.

 

[ElectricNaz]

Had a very close battle for a win earlier!!!! Scenes as we were 3 across the line after I was the meat in a 3 car sandwich around the final bend!

@MetalApe enjoyed our battles as well, watched the replay and I'm so glad I didn't cause you running wide, phew!

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This was the three of us over the line.... Not 100% certain where the actual timing line is, but I'm (yellow and white) certainly not in the lead here!

 

[mellofello9]

Haven't been racing much lately but gave A and B a try. Race A is a blast. As others mention, be nice if they used another car but, for me, the quality of the racing has made up for their lack of creativity.👍

Forgot how much fun RA can be once you get in the groove. Haven't raced it yet but the Cayman is a flippin' blast to throw around the place. Hoping with some more laps I can get it into the 24's (1:25.3xx now). Might try one of the AWD pigs later but for now the Cayman is a hoot.

 

[IrwingBR]

That RCZ is too fast on accelerations, dear god. But i've been away from GT for a long time and now i play the game here and there. But Deep Forest is such a great track!! Amazing layout and really fun to race.

 

[Voodoovaj]

I am going to break the left stick on the controller trying to turn the RCZ. Heck, every car steers slow now. It's SO frustrating. My thumb hurts from pressing on the stick.

Like, ok, I understand that it can't be a 1:1. I understand that it needs to emulate a wheel. However, it seems like it's intentionally slowed as a disadvantage to a wheel and that seems wrong. Now, I am making an assumption here because I can't compare how direct the wheels are, but I can't imagine that it takes (sometimes) nearly a full second to follow you input.

There is an adjustment in the options, so make it slow for newbies, but let us folks who have it cranked to 10 benefit from it being more direct. Leave it to the player's dexterity.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

I think it handles pretty weird on these SS tyres, bit too grippy, almost bouncing. Haven’t tried but feel like it’d be better on SM or SH. Anyway, my main issue with these cars is that they’re too slow. Way too weak for my taste, you get these almost artificially close races, kinda akin to Gr.4, another category I don’t care for. That in turn leads to terrible overtake attempts and too much argy-bargy type racing, awful race craft.

And add to that what y’all have already discussed a bit. These cars again... with so many unused cars available. Utilise the car list we have in this game, man.

After having done maybe a dozen races A so far, I agree 100% on the tyres. The grip/power ratio feels a bit weird, the car is snappy at times when you think you can take a corner with a bit of a controlled slide. The first iteration of that combo with SH tyres felt more "natural".

And as much as I liked the combo in the first place (the slower the car, the better for me...😬), it gets a bit boring. Literally every single race I did went almost exactly the same: low participation, often the grid contains drivers from DR C up to A+, but mostly DR B. I start without QT from the P13, 14 or 15. Very cautiously through T1, avoiding trouble, lucky being able to evade everyone who threatens to push me out, doing the same in both hairpins, and I'm usually in P6 or P7 after one lap. P1 is always out of reach, because in every race there's one or two quick drivers who have qualified P1 or/and P2. Some overtakes in T1 or the second hairpin later, I've finished literally every single race in P3 or P4. And almost no dirty driving by anyone, which surprised me a bit.

Time to try Road Atlanta. Or maybe even Gr3?🫣

 

[BluRacer7]

Bluracer said this is what he did
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Oh wow, this takes me back. I remember like this was yesterday. Was looking forward to the first Daily Race of the game's release and then ruined it for everyone by discovering this bug by accident. GT7 was not in good shape during launch with all the bugs and exploits.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Accidentally got my Road Atlanta qualy down to a 24.7, some half a second better than my precious best. I wasn't really trying, just tried to be clean and neat but still push and also braked a touch earlier.

This is a competitive time and saw me well inside top half of the grid in A rooms. But nope, I still cannot race at this track, I just can't. In clear air I am plenty fast but if I lose my rythym I am all over thr place and very slow. Guys seem to be able to brake so late and still make apexes whereas I prefer a slightly slower entry, so I get punted a lot. It's been a very frustrating week.

 

[Goanaut]

I know what you mean with the punting. Did 4 races Road Atlanta on Tuesday, and got punted into the grass / gravel in 3 of those races (and the punters just drove on themselves). It just seems some people don't brake in time, or where they brake during a time trial lap or something, and think the other 4 cars trying to make the corner just magically disappear. In the 4th race I made a mistake of my own. So in each of the 4 races I was fighting at the back of the field. Best finish was a P8 or P9, the rest was lower than P10.

On the plus side, it can be much fun to have such close racing. At some point at the end of lap 5 I was driving in 10th position, 8 seconds from the leader. Normally I only see those small gaps in the top lobbies of the known Youtubers. Yesterday I did 2 more races. Both starting from P4. In the first race someone punted me again, but he apologized and waited, so no hard feelings. The punting was less severe so I could recover more quickly, and still finish P5. The final race P1, P2 and P3 were sloppy, so that me and the former P5 took over and started battling for the lead. He / she was a brave hero in the Megane Trophy. Agile in the twisty bits, but slower on the straights. We overtook each other twice, but at some point the Megane got a 0.5 sec track limits, and I was able to overtake and stay in front. Finished 2.5 seconds ahead even! A rare victory for me.

Edit: Screenshot. Seems like after some laps of battling with me, the Megane dropped off and held off the others a bit.

 

[Don3hide]

Is there a way to stop meta cars being a thing?

Races are so much fun when you see a variety of manufacturers and custom liveries. Gets insanely boring when half the field are the same car.

 

[Hasnain282]

Is there a way to stop meta cars being a thing?

Races are so much fun when you see a variety of manufacturers and custom liveries. Gets insanely boring when half the field are the same car.

People will generally go towards whatever is at the top of the leaderboard
If the classes were balanced a bit better then the leaderboards at the top would have more variety which would mean more mixed grids
Although I guess you could argue it's a mentality thing as unless you're going for a GTWS slot having a bad result and losing DR because you weren't in the quickest car really isn't much of a loss

 

[MetalApe]

Is there a way to stop meta cars being a thing?

Races are so much fun when you see a variety of manufacturers and custom liveries. Gets insanely boring when half the field are the same car.

Success ballast? Not per driver, but per car. That way we might get an early Meta, but it won't stay the Meta for long.

 

[Don3hide]

I think maybe if PD gave a usage limit per daily race, it would make things more exciting. For example you can only use one manufacturer a maximum of 4 times per daily race for the week. If you go on a spree have used all manufacturers then it resets. Is this a feasible idea?

 

[NAXEHT]

I think maybe if PD gave a usage limit per daily race, it would make things more exciting. For example you can only use one manufacturer a maximum of 4 times per daily race for the week. If you go on a spree have used all manufacturers then it resets. Is this a feasible idea?

Not really, it'd probably hurt participation figures and I imagine they wouldn't be too satisfied with that.

 

[MetalApe]

I think maybe if PD gave a usage limit per daily race, it would make things more exciting. For example you can only use one manufacturer a maximum of 4 times per daily race for the week. If you go on a spree have used all manufacturers then it resets. Is this a feasible idea?

How about combining your idea with mine. Success ballast per car/driver combination.

Not really, it'd probably hurt participation figures and I imagine they wouldn't be too satisfied with that.

Why do you say that? I'd have though the chance to mix up the choice of car would make it more interesting and more appealing.

I don't do the dailies a lot because I find it boring doing exactly the same combo over and over again, so this would at least make it little less repetitive and boring.

 

[Fezzik]

As there'll always be a meta per track, why not mix things up and use a different track every day? Make daily races daily again.
A wild idea I know.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I am going to break the left stick on the controller trying to turn the RCZ. Heck, every car steers slow now. It's SO frustrating. My thumb hurts from pressing on the stick.

Like, ok, I understand that it can't be a 1:1. I understand that it needs to emulate a wheel. However, it seems like it's intentionally slowed as a disadvantage to a wheel and that seems wrong. Now, I am making an assumption here because I can't compare how direct the wheels are, but I can't imagine that it takes (sometimes) nearly a full second to follow you input.

There is an adjustment in the options, so make it slow for newbies, but let us folks who have it cranked to 10 benefit from it being more direct. Leave it to the player's dexterity.

Cannot speak to the triggers but on d-pad I found it was very reactive and quick in tight corners but killed me in longer ones. Interlagos was painful and even on full 10/10 sensitivity it still felt too slow so I assume it is even worse with the recent change. One of the reasons I bit the bullet and went to a wheel was the change made about 18 months or so ago, it was a big physics change and I found the dpad unusable overnight. One thing that I am still adjusting to though is how unresponsive a wheel is, I still often turn in too late, I may fiddle with steering lock one day when I have time but it takes some adjusting to, I am almost turning before I feel I should, it's weird.

I know what you mean with the punting. Did 4 races Road Atlanta on Tuesday, and got punted into the grass / gravel in 3 of those races (and the punters just drove on themselves). It just seems some people don't brake in time, or where they brake during a time trial lap or something, and think the other 4 cars trying to make the corner just magically disappear.

This. Lap 1 I am careful not to punt the guy in front as we all bottle up into the esses but no one pays me that courtesy, they take the inside and run wide, pushing me off the road.

People will generally go towards whatever is at the top of the leaderboard
If the classes were balanced a bit better then the leaderboards at the top would have more variety which would mean more mixed grids

Sort of, if there's a legit choice of cars people seem to enjoy using them but this week nothing comes close tot he Nissan, and I mean not even close. I tried the Lancer and the front end just does not turn in the same way for example. You can drag another car up the leaderboard but you'll be giving up tenths per lap.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Cannot speak to the triggers but on d-pad

D-pad? OMG, I haven't touched the D-pad in decades but I know some people prefer that to the stick. I can't imagine playing Sport Mode with the d-pad

 

[NevilleNobody]

D-pad? OMG, I haven't touched the D-pad in decades but I know some people prefer that to the stick. I can't imagine playing Sport Mode with the d-pad

I got within a few pixels of A+ by scamming the system and only doing tracks where you could square up the corner and FIRE out. Fuji, Suzuka, Big Willow etc ...... no go zone. NGP .... brilliant.

 

[NAXEHT]

How about combining your idea with mine. Success ballast per car/driver combination.

Why do you say that? I'd have though the chance to mix up the choice of car would make it more interesting and more appealing.

I don't do the dailies a lot because I find it boring doing exactly the same combo over and over again, so this would at least make it little less repetitive and boring.

I’m with you on the complaint that it’s a bit of a bore to see everyone in the same machine when there’s an open choice but I don’t think the idea would work, reason being if someone who’s goal is to just win, is forced to drive a car incapable of winning they’d probably rather not even try. If you put yourself in their mind.

 

[mellofello9]

I am going to break the left stick on the controller trying to turn the RCZ. Heck, every car steers slow now. It's SO frustrating. My thumb hurts from pressing on the stick...

Are you noticing this varies a lot from car to car? Only ask because the Cayman is feeling almost telepathic right now. I took the Lambo out for a run, didn't like it...felt 'spongey', for lack of a better term. Still turns, just feels like you're in a comfy armchair while doing it. Jumped in the Megane and the 'instant' response returned. Wasn't sure it it was an AWD -vs- non-AWD thing.

Also, taking your new found left stick abuse into account, is 'flash to pass' still mapped to L3??🤣🤣

 

[NevilleNobody]

I realise space and budget are issues but gotta say, now I am used to a wheel, good god ..... it is a thing of beauty.

 

[Gurzu]

Speaking of the devil, here's the RCZ's livery for DF. About BoP, it is what it is, neither rubbish nor ideal. I'm just crossing fingers, waiting for the car I like (especially sound wise) to become meta once. I noticed that, after having driven the same cars for a while, changing for an other "meta" that isn'talso that beautiful and with a "weird" handling, is not ideal. Honestly, the first laps on the RCZ made me miss the BMW used at Glen last week, moreover the 911 and the Supra that were my choices for DF. Eventually it is a compromise that need to be done. @NAXEHT has a good point on competitiveness, wich lead to kinda mono-marque races. I believe that this happens mostly when DR is near to change (in higher or lower rate makes no difference) inducing an atavic instinct of survival to take the upper hand, forcing the choice for the "better weapon". In midrange DR, especially when there's less risk to be demoted, it's easier to use a car to wich we're somehow romantically attached to.